Moon Landing Hoax: Nexus of NASA Loyal Worker With Religion & Moon Landing Lies & Seniority
moonlandingh...@yahoo.com
Landing Lies & Seniority
http://groups.google.com/group/FOOLED
by Joseph Gutheinz, Jr., J.D.
Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist was a Hero and a Saint
September 04, 2005 02:30 AM EST
[The Conservative Voice]
.....In the Catholic religion when a person battles incredible odds and
stands resolute in the face of evil we call that person a saint. So for
these reasons I bow my head and ask God to accept a hero and a saint
into in his kingdom. Our loss is heavens gain.....
Author's bio: Gutheinz is a former military intelligence officer and
aviator and a retired NASA Office of Inspector General senior special
agent. He is a criminal defense attorney licensed by 10 courts to
include the United States Supreme Court...... He is the recipient of
the NASA Exceptional Service Medal ...... His prior writings include:
In Search of the Goodwill Moon Rocks......
Mark F.
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Brad Guth
>GO AWAY!!!
No! for God's sake, please stay.
Lo and behold, whereas according to our crack MI6/NSA~NASA spooks and
thus yourself, we can easily goto the moon, and then some. Go figure
otherwise. The following is what I've contributed within
similar/related topics, so you don't have to take it personal unless
you want to pick another fight that I'll win in more ways than you can
shake another flaming stick at.
Sorry about this somewhat wordy contribution. However, it seems
entirely logical that Russia or perhaps China (not the USofA, much less
MI6/NSA~NASA) is going to mine the moon, that is shortly after they've
established their one and only LSE-CM/ISS and thereby affectively
established star-wars high ground. Whereas then they're going to kick
serious butt, namely ours. Then it's off to visit the wizard of ET Oz
upon Venus, once again leaving us pathetic brown-nosed minions far
behind in their LSE moon-dust.
Since so many folks within USENST (perhaps even like yourself) are
seemingly so gosh darn all-knowing and even a bit more than brown-nosed
to boot, perhaps they plus most any other incest cloned wizard/borg
friend of their's can explain as to why any of this following context
contributed by our NASA is the least bit news worthy.
NASA News Release "Radioactive Moon"
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/08sep_radioactivemoon.htm
http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/nasa_sci_radioactive_moon.html
"Summary - (Sep 9, 2005) When humans return to the Moon in the next
decade, they'll be facing a dangerous combination of cosmic rays and
solar flares. Astronauts will need to avoid getting too much radiation,
so NASA is working to better understand risks. The upcoming Lunar
Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) will carefully measure and map the Moon's
radiation environment. It will also have a special instrument designed
to simulate how this radiation will affect the human body."
"The surface of the Moon is baldly exposed to cosmic rays and solar
flares, and some of that radiation is very hard to stop with shielding.
Furthermore, when cosmic rays hit the ground, they produce a dangerous
spray of secondary particles right at your feet. All this radiation
penetrating human flesh can damage DNA, boosting the risk of cancer and
other maladies."
Says Harlan Spence, a professor of astronomy at Boston University;
"We really need to know more about the radiation environment on the
Moon, especially if people will be staying there for more than just a
few days,"
"When galactic cosmic rays collide with particles in the lunar surface,
they trigger little nuclear reactions that release yet more radiation
in the form of neutrons. The lunar surface itself is radioactive!"
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_dangers_040120.html
"The Moon, with no atmosphere, is more dangerous than the surface of
Mars. Lunar forays will have to be brief unless expensive shielded
habitats are built."
Double dose or perhaps Double duh
"Particle radiation in space goes right through the human body and can
tear apart strands of DNA, the software of life that resides inside a
cell nucleus. Damaged cells can lose the ability perform normally and
to repair themselves."
"There are two primary forms of hazardous space radiation particles.
(These particles are different from electromagnetic radiation, such as
X-rays, visible light or the ultraviolet (UV) rays that cause skin
cancer.)"
"High-energy particles emitted by the Sun during intense flares are one
type. They move outward at millions of miles an hour and can strike the
Earth-Moon system in a day or two. Earth's magnetic field shields the
planet from most of these. Some get through, though, especially in
intense streams lasting several hours when a storm's magnetic field is
aligned in a certain way with that of the planet's."
"Warning times for Sun storms can be as little as 18 hours."
That's roughly 2400 km/s of whatever's extremely TBI hot and nasty and,
I believe such solar wind has to include quite a bit of picogram
flak/m3 that's traveling at lest half as fast, perhaps delivering as
great as 10 picogram/m3 at 1200 km/s by which the KE worth of that fast
arriving substance can essentially knock yourself onto your moonsuit
butt, if not turn your moonsuit into that of a nicely nano perforated
moonsuit that could actually leak O2 and the likes of human sweat and
blood from within, which might actually act as a necessary Perforation
byproduct that'll keep your moonsuit air tight. However, in addition to
the solar primary radiation dosage that should have terminated a good
portion of your DNA, there's also the secondary/recoil aspects as
contributed by the surrounding local dosage that's just as bad off if
not worse. Without a significant atmosphere is what gives such a berth
of hard-X-rays a free ride as to going in all directions and about as
far as the eye can see, such as all the way to Earth where such
radiation has been well documented via terrestrial satellites that are
situated well below the Van Allen expanse as for shielding such
satellites and certainly us from much of the lunar radiation, although
our relatively thick atmosphere is what's primarily saving our DNA/RNA
from becoming exterminated via moon, solar and cosmic radiation, not to
mention keeping the vast bulk of debris from ever touching down.
http://lunar.arc.nasa.gov/results/neures.htm
>From this old data It looks as though the largest of craters situated
about the lunar South Pole offers a somewhat less reactive zone,
perhaps it's less because of the direct solar influx least impacts that
central low terrain and, there is certainly a bit of an atmosphere
that's otherwise responsible for a measured degree of radiation
shielding. A bit larger safety zone though not quite as deep of a
pocket resides about the lunar North Pole.
BTW; when certain solar rays hit the moon that's nearly naked to such
trauma, I believe this is the primary reason as to why there's always a
much greater amount of secondary/recoil dosage of hard-X-rays to being
had. Lunar nighttime or via earthshine is obviously getting back to the
dull roar of cosmic and local radioactive dosages that are still
downright nasty and as such would require a great deal of shielding as
to moderate those TBI dosages down to perhaps something less than a rad
per day, thus giving 50~60 days worth of a working timeline before
receiving their short term career dosage limit. Avoiding the solar
impacted lunar surface goes without saying, that is unless you have a
rather nasty death wish to fulfill, as otherwise an EVA/moonsuit hour
or so might become your career red-line limit, although encountering a
bad solar influx and you could be down to a few minutes.
Actually, as of the late 1960s, there was no shortage of radiation
knowledge as to the likes of our moon, it was just being continually
sequestered so that certain folks could continually snooker thy
humanity for all it's worth. The laws of physics haven't change or even
been modified since way back in them good old perpetrated Apollo and
cold-war days of our supposedly accomplishing the task of walking upon
our moon. In fact, the dosage recording methods back then are nearly
one and same as of today, and certainly of science instruments for
recording such primary and secondary radiation were also of way more
than sufficient methods as for covering their surrounding spacecraft
and moonsuit applications and, of before and long after those Apollo
missions had obtained loads of sufficient moon radiation information
that has merely been sequestered out of sight and thus out of mind for
decades. Thus other than greatly improved resolution which is nearly
always a good thing, why otherwise waste time and by way of our
spending hundreds of millions if not actually getting into billions
with deploying yet another radiation look-see upon what our nasty moon
has to offer?
More than a decade ago the LUNAR-A mission should have nailed the moon,
yet it's still sequestered as we speak.
According to many that certainly know far more than myself, there's
been damn little argument that the substance of the moon itself is far
more radioactive than the common soil and rock of mother Earth. Because
the moon has but a slight atmosphere of mostly argon along with CO2 and
perhaps a little xenon and even a radon layer near the surface is why
it's well accepted that the likes of sequestered He3 is also there to
behold. Yet we have no viable robotic nor manned fly-by-rocket lander
that'll accomplish the to/from task. Meanwhile Russia and China are in
a race to their establishing the first one and only LSE-CM/ISS which
doesn't even require any stinking fly-by-rocket landers.
~
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
War is war, thus "in war there are no rules" - In fact, war has been
the very reason of having to deal with the likes of others that haven't
been playing by whatever rules, such as GW Bush.
spiff
I think aliens are a hoax
I have proof
no-one has ever found an alien beercan on earth
and nobody is going to travel a million lightyears without packing a
few brews
thats my theory
Tank Fixer
on 15 Sep 2005 18:48:35 -0700,
spiff styr...@yahoo.com attempted to say .....
>
> I think aliens are a hoax
> I have proof
> no-one has ever found an alien beercan on earth
And I know why.
> and nobody is going to travel a million lightyears without packing a
> few brews
On their planet no one knows how to brew beer so they travel those many
lightyears to come drink ours.
Or haven’t you noticed the odd looking characters in the Stop and Rob late at
night ??
> thats my theory
Its relative...
--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.
VAS
>
> I think aliens are a hoax
> I have proof
> no-one has ever found an alien beercan on earth
That's cuz no self-respecting alien drinks beer from a can:
Brad Guth
That's actually not such a half bad analogy. Keep them sorts coming.
Of course, since there have been perhaps 30 million forms of other life
upon this Earth, most of which is a whole older than and thus a lot
more survival smarter than us humans that have to depend upon an
aluminum can to hold our beer, whereas chances are that a few of these
other species have evolved their beerology well past our heathen beer
can limited mindset, that by way of their advance ET standards somewhat
sucks.
shreedhar...@gmail.com
cans. Or maybe their cans self-destroy themselves so as not to leave
any proofs??
Brad Guth
Perhaps it's due to their superior physiology that internally creates
beer from scratch, somewhat like having an internal still.
I know that if I had anything to contribute as to intelligent design,
I'd certainly have included that sort of internal still, as well as
having a coat of fur, feathers or scales or just about anything but
plain old naked skin that's loaded with way more than it's fair share
of nerve endings and otherwise way to sensitive and/or porous to just
about anything that comes along. Actually, an exoskeletal frame is
perhaps the best all around and do-everything ET/ETI solution, that is
as long as you've got beer.
Dave Grayvis
> shreedhar,
> Perhaps it's due to their superior physiology that internally creates
> beer from scratch, somewhat like having an internal still.
>
> I know that if I had anything to contribute as to intelligent design,
> I'd certainly have included that sort of internal still, as well as
> having a coat of fur, feathers or scales or just about anything but
> plain old naked skin that's loaded with way more than it's fair share
> of nerve endings and otherwise way to sensitive and/or porous to just
> about anything that comes along. Actually, an exoskeletal frame is
> perhaps the best all around and do-everything ET/ETI solution, that is
> as long as you've got beer.
> ~
Now that's what You call a "beer gut"!
Brad Guth
>Now that's what You call a "beer gut"!
intake, a second for the fermentation process and the third for
enjoying the end product. Besides the additional internal plumbing, an
extra orifice may also be in the realm of what's needed.
BTW; it seems that "Science Journalism" doesn't stand a chance in hell
when it's up against the continued butt loads of LLPOF
social/religious/political agendas running us amuck.
Topic/author banishment is simply further proof-positive that I'm
sufficiently on target with my otherwise lose cannon shots, along with
my having pushed a few of those "do NOT push" buttons.
Doing a GOOGLE or most any other "search for" any combinations of
sirius moon venus
lunar space elevator
raw ice in space
or of anything related to space ice
fly by rocket landers
Kodak photon physics
space radiation
secondary/recoil photons
moon radiation
icy proto-moon
ETs surviving on Venus
All of the above and so much other gets you next to nothing that's in
any way specific via hard-science or otherwise verifiable up against
whatever has been NASA moderated to death and thereby subsequently
infomercial published within those horrifically spendy PBS/NOVA,
textbooks and science journals, that is unless such 100+% supports
their perpetrated cold-war and of the NASA/Apollo ruse, as then
whatever cost is not the slightest issue. Why is that?
Apparently of anything that's the least bit capable of skewing their
pagan story as to whatever their pagan God(NASA) accomplished is
taboo/nondisclosure or at best need-to-know, worthy of getting stalked
and summarily bashed to death, much like how our LLPOF resident
warlord(GW Bush) stalked and bashed Saddam as well as taking out a few
too many tens of thousands of Muslims that simply got in his way,
whereas that sort of multi-trillion costing collateral worth damage and
carnage of the innocent is just perfectly fine and dandy, much like
taking out TWA flight-800 was another one of those acceptable "so
what's the difference" formula of "high standards and accountability
that seriously sucks and blows.
The mainstream status quo has continually been all along excluding
and/or avoiding the hard-science matter of their own proof-positive
facts as having been provided by way of their very own pagan NASA/God
that sucks and blows at the same time.
How the hell can even a certified bigot exclude the true natural color
and dark albedo of the moon?
There's certainly other non-Apollo related color images of our moon to
further support this argument.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/
No Venus, No Sirius = No Apollo is perhaps another topic that's sharing
a bit more truth worthy substance than you can imagine. Even the notion
of our planet receiving the benefits of an icy proto-moon is topic
taboo/nondisclosure because ????????
Even the likes of Mark Wade can't possibly support the NASA/Apollo
bible as having been carved in stone, or even for that matter those
USSR AI/robotic fly-by-rocket landers that seem to have lost all of
their R&D and related proof-testing results as well.
Other individuals like Jack White have certainly made a perfectly nifty
publishing career out of those NASA/Apollo missions without ever taking
into account the natural color and relatively dark albedo of the moon
as officially recorded from orbit, as opposed to those phony baloney
near white-outs of those EVA/moonsuit obtained Kodak moments that
otherwise look entirely xenon lamp spectrum illuminated which quite
frankly sucks big time, or has Jack offered anything as to the
unfiltered Kodak eye not having recorded any sort of near-blue, near-UV
or of any other secondary/recoil photons. Of course, at any time NASA
could have 100+% nailed their own coffins tight by way of forking over
some of the original film transparencies, meaning allowing a totally
nondestructive scan of such frames under whatever safety precautions
NASA deemed fit to impose.
http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_index1.html
The extremely slight surface-tension of lunar dry-quicksand as an
uncompacted moon-dust composite of iron, titanium and carbon/soot mixed
in with meteor and local basalt shards strewn essentially everywhere
you can imagine is yet another basic topic that Jack White missed
almost entirely, just like having missed the raw particle influx of
whatever's passing by at 30+km/s plus otherwise 1.623 m/s/s gravity
attracted and certainly loads of raw solar flak arriving full speed at
300+km/s, or even of the harsh reactive nature of what such an exposed
lunar surface has to offer. There's also no mention of those little and
quite energy efficient Chapel-Bell S-band to microwave transponders
that were EM-L2/ME-L1 situated for the specific task of those items
essentially snookering the very best of scientist. Hells bells, they
even fooled myself and Walter Cronkite.
This site (though I've seen better) simply adds a little further insult
to injury.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
Of course, our JPL spooks and of most anyone the least bit government
funded or even remotely related to someone that is, it seems they have
to say otherwise, or else.
http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/
Thus the mainstream media and especially textbook and science journal
publishers are seriously up against a firery wall of
nondisclosure/taboo spookology that's clearly about their having to
support and sustain a perpetrated cold-war that obviously sucks and
blows something horrific at the same time, or else.
Of course JayUtah's "apollohoax" forum sucks and blows mainstream
status quo disinformation and/or of employing evidence exclusions
without ever a stitch of remorse. His nose isn't even brown anymore,
it's absolutely pitch black and still in the process of rotting off at
the root.
BTW; his site runs a bit poorly at times because it's continually
steeling info from your computer, and if need be capable of sharing
spermware/malware to boot via his MI6/NSA spooks. Thus there's no real
point in much of anything associated with the likes of an incest cloned
borg like JayUtah that's 100+% pro-Bush, anti-ET and thus as anti-God
as you'll find.
http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/
http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi
Even though this next link shares a somewhat greater balance on behalf
of the hoax aspects than most, without question this snookered or
perhaps rusemaster publishing of sutile infomercials by way of
Wikipedia is simply allowing and thus promoting more than their fair
share of what's absolutely full of disinformation-R-us infomercials
and, otherwise being a more than willing participant in evidence
exclusions upon what really matters, thus Wikipedia is a in fact a
willing partner in crimes against humanity. It's that simple because,
there's noting about the Apollo pprogram that's independently
researched nor otherwise verified, yet Wikipedia published every word
of the NASA/Apollo related informercials as though all is well and good
with the almighty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations
Talk:Apollo moon landing hoax accusations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations
Vince
> Topic/author banishment is simply further proof-positive that I'm
> sufficiently on target with my otherwise lose cannon shots, along with
> my having pushed a few of those "do NOT push" buttons.
...or maybe, just MAYBE, you're just a psychotic kook?
> Doing a GOOGLE or most any other "search for" any combinations of
...I did a GOOGLE for "Brad Guth kook" and got TONS of hits.
Orval Fairbairn
"Brad Guth" <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> shreedhar,
> Perhaps it's due to their superior physiology that internally creates
> beer from scratch, somewhat like having an internal still.
>
> I know that if I had anything to contribute as to intelligent design,
> I'd certainly have included that sort of internal still, as well as
> having a coat of fur, feathers or scales or just about anything but
> plain old naked skin that's loaded with way more than it's fair share
> of nerve endings and otherwise way to sensitive and/or porous to just
> about anything that comes along. Actually, an exoskeletal frame is
> perhaps the best all around and do-everything ET/ETI solution, that is
> as long as you've got beer.
Brad,
Judjing from your kooky posts in this and other newsgroups, I can assure
you that you will NEVER have anything to contribute to intelligent
design!
You are not even that good at writing fairy tales. Mother Guth was a far
better spinner of tales than you will ever be!
Brad Guth
That's not actually one of the items on my list. Please try again.
Brad Guth
But I truly hate GW Bush. Isn't that worth anything?
Obviously my encrypted/dyslexic Klingon script is way over your head
and otherwise slipping between your legs. Did I get that part right?
What portion of "duh" or perhaps "double duh" is too complex for your
mindset?
Orval Fairbairn
"Brad Guth" <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Orval Fairbairn,
> But I truly hate GW Bush. Isn't that worth anything?
No, as it has absolutely no relevance to this Newsgroup. Please confine
your political ravings to political newsgroups.
> Obviously my encrypted/dyslexic Klingon script is way over your head
> and otherwise slipping between your legs. Did I get that part right?
It comes across as the gibberish that it is. I happen to have worked on
the guidance/performance of the Apollo Mission and know for a fact that
your writings are pure, as another poster so aptly described,
"kookfroth." I seriously doubt that anybody else with a technical
education takes your rants seriously, either.
I also have a personal friend and flying buddy who trained astronauts on
the lunar lander simulator, which was an actual, flying test article.
> What portion of "duh" or perhaps "double duh" is too complex for your
> mindset?
I leave that up to Mother Guth's son.
> Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
> http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Pure psychoceramics.
HXZJY$18 > The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
> http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
It would collapse of its own weight and from atmospheric effects. Think
what a lightning strike would do to it. Brad has found another use for
that magic material, balonium.
> Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
> http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
Nothing there to sink our teeth into.
Solid technology talks -- bullshit walks!
Brad Guth
>> But I truly hate GW Bush. Isn't that worth anything?
>No, as it has absolutely no relevance to this Newsgroup. Please confine
>your political ravings to political newsgroups.
innocent folks killed off and/or currently dying has "no relevance to
this Newsgroup" that otherwise needs every red-cent plus human as well
as materialistic and chemical/energy resource it can muster in support
of whatever's being continually talked about.
What has working upon the "guidance/performance of the Apollo Mission"
got to do with fly-by-rocket landers that supposedly without documented
R&D somehow managed to land upon and having folks subsequently walking
moonsuit butt naked upon the dark and nasty lunar surface?
As far as I can uncover, the likes of yourself and thousands of others
were doing everything possible to make it happen. Unfortunately those
Kodak moments more than prove that a little something didn't quite go
according to plan.
As long as you're on the hook, please tell us about the extremely
powerful gyros that were utilized for stabilizing those fly-by-rocket
landers.
With regard to the Lunar Space Elevator;
>It would collapse of its own weight and from atmospheric effects. Think
>what a lightning strike would do to it. Brad has found another use for
>that magic material, balonium.
Now as per representing a certified NASA/Apollo engineer you're telling
us that our moon has a substantial atmospheric affects, plus the
potential of lightning that would take out a multi-megatonne CM/ISS and
of such having multiple tethers of a robust set of each being 64,000
some odd km worth in length is going to collapse under it's own weight.
Since we're starting off at 1/6th G and there's even a slight
centrifugal force at our disposal, plus everything getting nicely
tensioned towards mother Earth, what weight are you talking about?
I do however tend to agree with having 64,000+ km worth of deployed
tether as having been connected directly into the moon, plus another
nifty dipole element headed towards Earth (though obviously not ever
touching Earth) should represent a horrific voltage differential and
perhaps a good deal of amperage backing that up. However, the last time
I'd checked upon the properties of basalt fibers it seems they were
certainly of any lenght you'd care to create and even quite adequately
strong but, otherwise not all that conductive.
What do you think a lunar space elevator is actually all about, besides
the matter of fact that you've just proved beyond any measurable doubt
that you've started off as being entirely out of context and thus
somewhat dumber than a post?
BTW; The LSE is NOT the least bit associated with the ESE fiasco that
certainly does suck and blow at the same time.
Are you actually thinking of anything elevator wise that's Earth
to/from moon?
Because, if so you're an absolute freaking idiot, and no wonder
shuttles are falling out of the sky. In which case I'd have to agree
that "Solid technology talks -- bullshit walks!".
Obviously you have absolutely no freaking idea what the
ME-L1/nullification (mutual geravity-well) zone is all about. Do you
even know where the ME-L1/EM-L2 zone is?
Since you've stipulated that "it would collapse of its own weight"
obviously means that you've got math to share. Please do so.
About Venus;
>Nothing there to sink our teeth into.
Might I ask; Do you actually have any teeth?
Thus if you're toothless because you're from the old perpetrated
cold-war school explains as to why you're having to know thy enemy in
order to snooker thy humanity.
What portions of the regular laws of physics can't be utilized on
behalf of ETs surviving upon Venus?
What forms of applied physics and thus of applied technology are
taboo/nondisclosure about Venus?
I take it that you also don't believe that there are even the likes of
whatever hot rocks upon Venus because, we've only had pictures to look
at and, apparently we simply can't trust whatever has been recorded via
photographic methods of any sort, and of especially the bigger
something is the more likely it's of something that's entirely phony.
Such as an extremely large canyon/rille isn't really there to behold,
much less of any smaller details can't be trusted, especially if
there's only 36 radar looks per 8-bit pixel as opposed to one look per
CCD camera pixel that's within your vastly superior cell phone camera.
~
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
Phil Stein
<orfai...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Brad,
>
>Judjing from your kooky posts in this and other newsgroups, I can assure
>you that you will NEVER have anything to contribute to intelligent
>design!
>
>You are not even that good at writing fairy tales. Mother Guth was a far
>better spinner of tales than you will ever be!
When Dubyah was asked for his opinion on Rowe v Wade, he said he
doesn't care how they get out of New Orleans.
Brad Guth
>I also have a personal friend and flying buddy who trained astronauts on
>the lunar lander simulator, which was an actual, flying test article.
any real flight-time via rocket thrust within are all that matters.
Tell us Orval Fairbairn; where's the film footage of even others as
having been dropped out of the sky and purely fly-by-rocket living to
tell us village idiots about it?
How about even a look-see upon any robotic/tethered aerial drop of
anything that's purely fly-by-rocket?
At least "Cardman" has recently been contributing approprate sorts of
topic feedback.
Cardman,
Here's another new and improved version as to your:
>People will believe what they see, and what makes sense, if other
>people do not inform them how things really work.
Finally, you've offered something that makes perfect sense. So, why not
ask of these supposedly all-knowing lords and wizards of usenet to
start off with their explaining as to how fly-by-rocket landers
(AI/robotic as well as manned) actually functioned throughout the
various R&D steps that had to have taken place. We'll need a few
specifics, such as actual R&D film footage as to the applied physics
and technology of physical stabilizing, de-orbit and down-range fuel
consumption/kg of mass, physical and radiation shielding, internal
cabin and/or internal moonsuit noise levels, as well as internal energy
demands and so forth as based upon whatever's external to the
NASA/Apollo bible because, it obviously should match exactly unless
something has been skewed a little off track.
Then having someone of their all-knowing wizardly status quo start
explaining upon the Kodak laws of photon physics, as such might
represent yet another perfectly good step for mankind that's going in
the right direction.
OOPS; my PC just went into the toilet because, it looks as though my
contributions have been exceeding your usenet bandwidth, as in too much
drain upon their mainstream status quo mainframes. Either that or I'm
being formally sequestered into their intellectual black hole of
topic/author banishment.
~
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
Orval Fairbairn
"Brad Guth" <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> let his pet monkey escape from its
cage, have access to his keyboard, where it scribbled:
(snipped irrelevancies)
>
> What has working upon the "guidance/performance of the Apollo Mission"
> got to do with fly-by-rocket landers that supposedly without documented
> R&D somehow managed to land upon and having folks subsequently walking
> moonsuit butt naked upon the dark and nasty lunar surface?
The landers were "fly-by-wire," with artificial stability. Plenty of R&D
went into their development. The astronauts did not walk "butt naked" on
the moon! Only a fool would think that!
> As far as I can uncover, the likes of yourself and thousands of others
> were doing everything possible to make it happen. Unfortunately those
> Kodak moments more than prove that a little something didn't quite go
> according to plan.
>
> As long as you're on the hook, please tell us about the extremely
> powerful gyros that were utilized for stabilizing those fly-by-rocket
> landers.
What "powerful gyros?" All you need is an artificial stability control
package with fly-by-wire and an inertial reference -- all of which have
been available since the 1950's.
Descent stages follow the same control laws as ascent stages.
> With regard to the Lunar Space Elevator;
> >It would collapse of its own weight and from atmospheric effects. Think
> >what a lightning strike would do to it. Brad has found another use for
> >that magic material, balonium.
> Now as per representing a certified NASA/Apollo engineer you're telling
> us that our moon has a substantial atmospheric affects, plus the
> potential of lightning that would take out a multi-megatonne CM/ISS and
> of such having multiple tethers of a robust set of each being 64,000
> some odd km worth in length is going to collapse under it's own weight.
> Since we're starting off at 1/6th G and there's even a slight
> centrifugal force at our disposal, plus everything getting nicely
> tensioned towards mother Earth, what weight are you talking about?
I have never mentioned lunar atmospheric effects -- it is EARTH (and
some other planets) that has those.
> I do however tend to agree with having 64,000+ km worth of deployed
> tether as having been connected directly into the moon, plus another
> nifty dipole element headed towards Earth (though obviously not ever
> touching Earth) should represent a horrific voltage differential and
> perhaps a good deal of amperage backing that up. However, the last time
> I'd checked upon the properties of basalt fibers it seems they were
> certainly of any lenght you'd care to create and even quite adequately
> strong but, otherwise not all that conductive.
>
> What do you think a lunar space elevator is actually all about, besides
> the matter of fact that you've just proved beyond any measurable doubt
> that you've started off as being entirely out of context and thus
> somewhat dumber than a post?
>
> BTW; The LSE is NOT the least bit associated with the ESE fiasco that
> certainly does suck and blow at the same time.
>
> Are you actually thinking of anything elevator wise that's Earth
> to/from moon?
> Because, if so you're an absolute freaking idiot, and no wonder
> shuttles are falling out of the sky. In which case I'd have to agree
> that "Solid technology talks -- bullshit walks!".
>
> Obviously you have absolutely no freaking idea what the
> ME-L1/nullification (mutual geravity-well) zone is all about. Do you
> even know where the ME-L1/EM-L2 zone is?
>
> Since you've stipulated that "it would collapse of its own weight"
> obviously means that you've got math to share. Please do so.
You have to expend a lot of energy and hardware to get there in the
first place.
> About Venus;
> >Nothing there to sink our teeth into.
> Might I ask; Do you actually have any teeth?
Yes, I do -- and -- so does that pet monkey of yours that puts all this
crap in the Internet.
> Thus if you're toothless because you're from the old perpetrated
> cold-war school explains as to why you're having to know thy enemy in
> order to snooker thy humanity.
How much dope have you been smoking?
> What portions of the regular laws of physics can't be utilized on
> behalf of ETs surviving upon Venus?
1. Temperature -- Venus is somewhere around 800 F.
2. Pressure __ Venus has an atmospheric pressure many times that of
Earth.
3. Atmospheric composition -- Unless you have life forms that thrive on
H2SO4 vapor, it is going to be a pretty dead world.
> What forms of applied physics and thus of applied technology are
> taboo/nondisclosure about Venus?
None.
> I take it that you also don't believe that there are even the likes of
> whatever hot rocks upon Venus because, we've only had pictures to look
> at and, apparently we simply can't trust whatever has been recorded via
> photographic methods of any sort, and of especially the bigger
> something is the more likely it's of something that's entirely phony.
> Such as an extremely large canyon/rille isn't really there to behold,
> much less of any smaller details can't be trusted, especially if
> there's only 36 radar looks per 8-bit pixel as opposed to one look per
> CCD camera pixel that's within your vastly superior cell phone camera.
And we are supposed to trust Brad Guth even more? ROTFLMAO!
Orval Fairbairn
"Brad Guth" <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> frothed at the mouth and produced
even more kookfroth:
> Orval Fairbairn;
> >I also have a personal friend and flying buddy who trained astronauts on
> >the lunar lander simulator, which was an actual, flying test article.
> Apparently simulators of which none of the astronauts actually managed
> any real flight-time via rocket thrust within are all that matters.
> Tell us Orval Fairbairn; where's the film footage of even others as
> having been dropped out of the sky and purely fly-by-rocket living to
> tell us village idiots about it?
>
> How about even a look-see upon any robotic/tethered aerial drop of
> anything that's purely fly-by-rocket?
I'm not about to redesign the whole damn lunar lander for some addlepate
on the Internet. AMF!
Brad Guth
Lets just have ourselves an honest to God look-see at the where-is
as-is R&D prototype stuff that had to have transpired and, you'd think
having been extremely well film and otherwise technically documented by
at least 16mm format, even though whatever's stable fly-by-rocket
should have been worth 35mm.
There's got to be dozens of existing prototype machines and/or portions
thereof various scales and of various modulated rocket engines along
with those powerful internal gyro stabilized contraptions to behold.
They already owned dozens if not more than 100 movie cameras of 16 and
35 mm format and, I belive film (especially B&W which would have been
by far the best) was dirt cheap.
rand...@charter.net
> Moon Landing Hoax: Nexus of NASA Loyal Worker With Religion & Moon
> Landing Lies & Seniority
In the words of the Daleks: EXTERMINATE!
Sure wish this guy would evaporate.
Ex - Ex - EXTERMINATE !
Randy
www.vernarockets.com
Cardman
There is more than one alien here. Meet... The Borg.
"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated".
Cardman.
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"Cardman" <do-...@spam-me.com> wrote in message
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Gus
Non sequitur.
Your thoughts are uncoordinated.
Nomad
Grantland
"t'was on the good ship Venus
By God you should have seen us!
The figurehead was a girl in bed
Sucking on a dead man's penis!
Scott Hedrick
Well, then, there are a lot of illegal hoaxes crossing the border.
Scott Hedrick
"Orval Fairbairn" <orfai...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:orfairbairn-CE6E...@news1.west.earthlink.net...
> Brad,
>
> Judjing from your kooky posts in this and other newsgroups, I can assure
> you that you will NEVER have anything to contribute to intelligent
> design!
I find it amusing that Guth, "scott", LaToya and their fellow k00ks believe
it is easier to have thousands of agents waiting around the world to
instantly alter documents, books and photographs and threaten people to hide
"the truth" than it would be to simply bust a cap on *them*.
That's easier for them to accept than the fact that they just aren't
important enough to bother with. An imaginary conspiracy against them is
more fulfilling than their own pathetic lives.
Scott Hedrick
> Yes, I do -- and -- so does that pet monkey of yours that puts all this
> crap in the Internet.
>
At least the *monkey* is cute and personality-filled!
Brad Guth
the mainstream status quo, via incest cloning no less?
Is being dumb and dumber the requirement as for being such a total
freak that sucks and blows at the same time?
You can't honestly answer to one of my questions, so you're just going
bigot postal.
As I've posted more than a hundred times before, the hard-science and
the best available evidence establishes that man hasn't walked upon the
moon, at least not yet. So what's the difference if we had and/or
allowed JFK and a few others as being exterminated and thus having
insured that we'd continue to perpetrate a cold-war for profit (isn't
war all about winning), isn't making profits at the expense and demise
of others the same as winning, especially if it's on behalf of a Jewish
and Catholic funded fiasco of such a perpetrated cold-war?
There's has become so much hard-science plus solid laws of physics that
can't so easily lie, not to mention uncovering of the ongoings of
evidence exclusions that's transpiring as we speak, that's only further
proving to myself and others that man hasn't walked upon the moon (man
might not have even orbited the damn reactive thing). So much has
recently been excluded that the nondisclosure/taboo must default to
their topic/author stalking, bashings and whenever possible banishment
that must continue in spite of the past and ongoing remorseless acts of
so many as having perpetrated such horrific crimes against humanity, as
having been orchestrated by MI6/NSA and cloaked by NASA is simply an
all or nothing bet-the-farm that enough of the public has become
sufficiently dumbfounded if not mentally nullified by the grand
ruse/sting of the century.
There is also other life or that of ETs as having been
existing/coexisting upon Venus, whereas hard-science and of the regular
laws of physics and that's not to even mention upon the
observationology considerations that otherwise establishes that we've
either overlooked a few details or have been summarily snookered by way
of our NASA as having been intentionally excluding evidence, at least
that's been their game plan of action up until a few of them Apollo
cows come home. Thus it's our moral obligation and thereby our job to
locate a few of them cows, plus whatever else our NASA/Apollo has
overlooked, hidden or having skewed on behalf of snookering humanity
for all it's worth.
bob352
They travel here, because of the vast availability of the product
creates competitive market pricing!!!! They cannot afford beer on their
home planet! That, and the fact that anyone who appears to be under
600yrs. old WILL be carded....