CA Kicker / Accelerator question
Normen Strobel
yesterday, in a pinch I filled up my empty spray bottle with acetone, it
didn't work.
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John Small
Moisture will set up CA
"Normen Strobel" <nstr...@nospam.zoominternet.net> wrote in message
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B a r r y B u r k e J r .
Try baking soda, or simply breathing warm, moist breath on the glue.
Barry
Dr1Driver
>yesterday, in a pinch I filled up my empty spray bottle with acetone, it
>didn't work.
Try water with a little baking soda in it, or simply stock up on kicker.
Dr.1 Driver
"There's a Hun in the sun!"
Sherman F. Dickson II
Aromatic Amine. I had heard that it contains some nitromethane but am
not sure if that is true. Like others have already said Acetone will
dissolve CA. It is a great way to clean excess of of monocote but if you
don't get it all of it will leave a white haze.
Supposedly odorless CA is not supposed to leave the white haze but I
haven't found that to be true.
BTW take an empty jar that has an airtight cover and put some Acetone in
it then toss your extra CA bottle tips and cap in it. When the one you
are using starts to clog just take a clean tip out of the jar and
replace the clogged one. You help the environment by recycling and have
clean tips at the same time. :-)
Hope this is of some help, Sherman
Sherman
Fred McClellan
<nstr...@nospam.zoominternet.net> wrote:
>What is CA kicker made of? I thought it was acetone. But when I ran out
>yesterday, in a pinch I filled up my empty spray bottle with acetone, it
>didn't work.
>
Fumes from household ammonia work pretty well. Just the fumes, mind
you. Cheap, too.
If anyone thinks household ammonia is hazardous, try reading the
following MSDS for Pacer CA accelerator (kicker) :
(Note : the chart portion may get marfed by transmission, but the four
ingredients are Aliphatic Petroleum, Alkyl Toluidines, Xylene,
and Ethylbenzene. There is one line for each ingredient, and the
column titles are OHSA PEL, ACGIH TVL, OTHER LIMITS, and % OPTION)
MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET
DATE: 02/11/02
Revision #2 Page 1 of 2
Section 1 HAZARD RATING
For Chemical Emergency:
PACER TECHNOLOGY In the
US & Canada (800) 424-9300
9420 Santa Anita Avenue 3
Int'l & Wash DC (COLLECT) (202) 483-7616
Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 2 x 0 Telephone
for Information: (909) 987-0550
PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION: ZIP KICKER ACCELERATOR FOR SUPER GLUES
Section 2 - HAZARDOUS INGREDIENTS INFORMATION:
Hazardous Components OSHA ACGIH OTHER
%
(Common Names, CAS Number) PEL TLV LIMITS
OPTION
Aliphatic Petroleum(64742-89-8) 300ppm 300ppm TLV/STEL=400ppm 80-100%
Alkyl Toluidines (99-97-8) NE NE NE
6-12%
Xylene (1330-20-7)* 100ppm 100ppm TLV/STEL=150ppm
2-6%
Ethylbenzene (100-41-4)* 100ppm 100ppm TLV/STEL-125ppm
1-3%
* This ingredient is subject to the reporting requirements of Section
313 of Title III of the Superfund Amendments & Reauthorization Act of
1986 (SARA) and 40 CFR 372.
Note: Product contains a bittering agent to discourage ingestion via
drinking.
Section 3 - PHYSICAL/CHEMICAL CHARACTERISTICS:
Boiling Point: 235-284F
Specific Gravity (H2O=1): 0.77
Vapor Density (Air=1): 3.8 Melting Point:
NE
Vapor Pressure (mm Hg): 30 @ 100F Evaporation
Rate (Butyl Acetate=1): 1.2
Solubility in Water: Negligible
Appearance & Odor: Water-white to straw colored liquid with
hydrocarbon odor.
Section 4 - FIRE AND EXPLOSION HAZARD DATA:
Flash Point (Method Used): 57 F (TCC) Flammable
Limits: LEL: 1.0 UEL: 7.0
Extinguishing Media: Water fog, foam, dry chemical or carbon dioxide.
Do not use direct stream of water as product may reignite on surface
of water.
Special Fire Fighting Procedures: Warning - FLAMMABLE! Clear fire area
of unprotected personnel. Do not enter confined fire space without
full bunker gear (helmet with face shield, bunker coats, gloves &
rubber boots), inc. a positive pressure NIOSH-approved self-contained
breathing apparatus. Cool fire exposed containers with water.
Unusual Fire and Explosion Hazards: Containers exposed to intense heat
from fires should be cooled with water to prevent vapor pressure
buildup, which could result in container rupture.
Section 5 - REACTIVITY DATA:
Stability: Unstable __ Stable XX Conditions to
Avoid: heat, sparks & open flames.
Incompatibility (Materials to Avoid): Avoid strong oxidizing agents.
Hazardous Decomposition Products: Carbon monoxide & unidentified
organic compounds may be formed during combustion.
Hazardous Polymerization: May Occur __ May Not Occur XX
Section 6 - HEALTH HAZARD DATA: Route(s) of Entry:
Inhalation:(rat)4hrLC50=3400ppm Skin: (rat)DermalLD50=>4ml/kg
Ingestion: (rat)OralLD50=>8ml/kg
Health Hazards (Acute and Chronic):
Acute - mildly irritating to eyes & skin, nose, throat & respiratory
tract, early to moderate CNS depression may cause giddiness, headache,
dizziness & nausea.
Chronic - in extreme cases, unconsciousness, aspiration pneumonitis
may be evidenced by coughing, labored breathing & cyanosis (bluish
skin), in extreme-severe cases death may occur.
Carcinogenicity: NTP: No IARC Monographs: No OSHA Regulated: No
WARNING: THIS PRODUCT CONTAINS A CHEMICAL KNOWN TO THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA TO CAUSE CANCER, BIRTH DEFECTS OR OTHER REPRODUCTIVE HARM.
MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET ZIP KICKER ACCELERATOR FOR SUPER GLUES
Rev 2 Page 2 of 2
Signs and Symptoms of Exposure & First Aid Procedures:
Eye contact -irritation upon direct contact. Immediately flush eyes
with water for 15 min. Get medical attention.
Skin contact -irritation upon direct contact. Remove contaminated
clothing and wash before reuse. Wash affected areas with water,
followed by soap & water. If irritation occurs, get medical attention.
Prolonged or repeated contact can cause dermatitis in sensitive
individuals.
Inhalation -vapors may be irritating to nose, throat & respiratory
tract. Remove to fresh air and provide oxygen if breathing is
difficult. Give artificial respiration if not breathing. Get medical
attention.
Ingestion -do not induce vomiting. If vomiting occurs, keep head below
hips to prevent aspiration of liquid into the lungs. Get medical
attention. Product contains a bittering agent to discourage ingestion
via drinking.
NOTE TO PHYSICIAN: If more than 2.0ml/kg has been ingested & vomiting
has not occurred, emesis should be induced with supervision. Keep
victim's head below hips to prevent aspiration; if symptoms such as
loss of gag reflex, convulsions or unconsciousness occur before
emesis, gastric lavage using a cuffed endotracheal tube should be
considered.
Medical Conditions Generally Aggravated by Exposure: Preexisting skin
disorders.
Section 7 - PRECAUTIONS FOR SAFE HANDLING AND USE:
Steps to Be Taken in Case Material is Released or Spilled: Warning -
flammable! Ventilate area and remove all sources of ignition. Remove
all unprotected personnel from hazard area. Avoid skin contact &
breathing of vapors by using appropriate respirator & protective
safety equipment. Confine & remove with inert absorbent. Dispose of
absorbed material & water run-off in accordance with applicable
federal, state, and local regulations.
Waste Disposal Method: Dispose of water flush solutions & absorbed
material in non-leaking containers as hazardous waste according to all
applicable regulations.
Precautions to Be Taken in Handling and Storing: Keep liquid & vapor
away from heat, sparks & flame. Do not store near any ignition
sources. Keep containers closed when not in use & use with adequate
ventilation. Use wires to ground all transfer containers & equipment.
Other Precautions: Static electricity may create a fire hazard: bond &
ground all equipment. Dispose of used containers as hazardous waste.
Section 8 - CONTROL MEASURES:
Respiratory Protection (Specify Type): Use a NIOSH-approved respirator
in absence of proper ventilated environment. If needed, use
air-purifying respirator for organic vapors when exposure may exceed
occupational exposure limits.
Ventilation: Local Exhaust: Good Mechanical (General): As needed
Protective Clothing or Equipment: Safety glasses/goggles,
chemical-resistant (ie. nitrile or polyvinyl alcohol material) gloves
and other safety equipment to minimize contact.
Work/Hygienic Practices: Avoid direct contact with liquid. Wear
protective safety equipment as necessary. Wash hands with soap & water
and air-dry then launder any contaminated clothing before reuse.
NE = Not established
The data contained herein is based upon information that Pacer
Technology believes to be reliable. Users of this product have the
responsibility to determine the suitability of use and to adopt all
necessary precautions to ensure the safety and protection of property
and persons involved in said use. All statements or suggestions are
made without warranty, express or implied, regarding accuracy of the
information, the hazards connected with the use of the material or the
results to be obtained from the use thereof.
Cheers,
Fred McClellan
Normen Strobel
kicker and it says that the bottle contains "acetone and aromatic amine".
Since it is in both, I wonder if the Aromatic amine is the key ingredient.
"Sherman F. Dickson II" <dick...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Andy Hafner
little bar soap suds.
Handyandy
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Bill Archibald
<nstr...@nospam.zoominternet.net> wrote:
>What is CA kicker made of? I thought it was acetone. But when I ran out
>yesterday, in a pinch I filled up my empty spray bottle with acetone, it
>didn't work.
>
the other day I was working with CA in my unheated woodworking shop. I
needed it to dry quickly. I licked my finger a dabbed a little saliva
on the CA. It dried quick. (NO! I did not retouch my tongue before
wiping off my finger)
-Bill
Normen Strobel
in balsa, now a CA kicker. Will the wonders of saliva never cease. :)
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Bill Fulmer
until the saturation point is reached and no more will dissolve into the
water..... Pour off the water solution into a spray bottle, and discard the
residue... This works as well as the sto'boughten kind...
A dry fillet of baking soda hit with thin ca will really beef up a former if
needed...
Bill
Six_O'Clock_High
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Known as "modeling concrete"
Ed Forsythe
reason that all the suggested substitutions work.
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Happy Flying,
Ed F.
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Scargo
Some years ago, when I had my prototyping business, there was a Federal
law that you did not have to include a MSDS (material safety data
sheet), with containers of hazardous materials if they were under a
certain size or volume. Most hobby shop sized packaging is exempt. The
MSDS number is not on the packaging, though they say to refer to it!
This law may have changed some by now, but I doubt it. I see on my 2
ounce bottle of CA activator that there is a danger message, -"that it
is an eye and respiratory irritant and to avoid breathing the vapors"-.
It is worse than that! Besides the nasty solvents it contains
*Toluidine* which is an known human carcinogen and can cause liver
dysfunction with higher levels of exposure.
Since I dealt with urethanes, epoxies and cyanoacrylates for 24+ years,
I have had to read many an MSDS and installed specialized ventilation
for areas of my shop. I was an expert in the field of castable thermoset
materials. I became sensitized to isocyanates in the urethanes (PUR),
and the amines in epoxies, from years of improper ventilation and skin
contact. I got to the point where I had frequent bouts of sinusitus and
bronchitis and had difficulty being around many chemical; ammonia was
one of many.
This is a dirty secret that the modelling industry does not want
publicized. In general, they do not want you to know how bad some
components of modelling/model making are. The best the hobby industry
does is a cursory statement of "use proper ventilation". Remember model
plane cement with toluene in it? It got banned from the shelves and put
behind the counter so kids could not sniff it. Toluene is another nasty,
common ingredient chemical that causes lung, heart, liver and kidney
damage. Here is what one medical reference states:
-Due to genetic polymorphisms, some people may be more sensitive to the
effects of inhaled solvents than others.[2] Occupational asthma has
occurred in some workers exposed to toluene levels considered safe in
the workplace. For such people, protective equipment should be used and
provided by employers, even when toluene levels are in the acceptable
range.
Workers with a history of asthma induced by solvent exposure should also
be warned about and protected from short-term exposure to higher
concentrations. The duration of the exposure, not just the level, may
also contribute to asthma exacerbations, and should be monitored.-
'Reference' (http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/818939-overview)
How many of you are working without proper ventilation? How many of you
work in your bedroom or other small, closed room? You need circulation
that carries the vapors away from you. The solvents that act as carriers
are very volatile and evaporate fast. This also makes them spread the
chemicals in the air quite rapidly. The accelerators wouldn't spray and
the CAs wouldn't run if it weren't for solvents.
IMHO, hobby shop owners and E-commerce suppliers should be more vocal
and more pro-active in educating the consumer of the risks and hazards
of glues, accelerators, solvents and paints. A large warning sign should
be above the CA display in stores. The print on my bottle is so small I
can hardly read it and it doesn't stand out in any way.
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