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Ed Cregger

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Sep 5, 2008, 1:03:38 AM9/5/08
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I haven't seen but one or two posts each day of this week. I'm using
bellsouth's newsgroup, motzarella.org and aioe.org's listings. Is everyone
enjoying the Fall weather and just not typing on their computers? Or is this
the end of rec.models.rc.air?

Ed Cregger


The Natural Philosopher

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Sep 5, 2008, 1:17:10 AM9/5/08
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Both probably.

The fact of the matter is that the web based sites do an infinitely
better job for modeling chatter.


Compare a site like rcgroups, and you will see a thousand posts a day plus..

Martin X. Moleski, SJ

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Sep 5, 2008, 8:54:57 AM9/5/08
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I'm busy with the start of classes and some other projects
(a HD died on my linux box and that led to a long,
worrisome cascade of difficulties).

I'm also not building or flying much these days. Most
of my hobby time has gone into renovating my family's
camp.

Marty
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Bob Cowell

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Sep 5, 2008, 9:17:53 AM9/5/08
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On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:17:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote:

>
>The fact of the matter is that the web based sites do an infinitely
>better job for modeling chatter.
>
>
>Compare a site like rcgroups, and you will see a thousand posts a day plus..


If you like the ONLINE crap better,
then by all means GO THERE

but speaking from experience,
unless you have a FAST connection, and unlimited time to waste,
the online stuff is VERY frustrating

add to that the fact that most are VERY insular in nature, and you get no cross
section view of the hobby as a whole,

IF you want to discuss ONLY ONE aspect, they work sort of ok

If you want some cross-pollination, they are a total waste of effort.

Martin X. Moleski, SJ

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Sep 5, 2008, 11:00:46 AM9/5/08
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On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 08:17:53 -0500, Bob Cowell <bo...@kdsi.net> wrote in <v1c2c4haquljj4ct2...@4ax.com>:

>> ... Compare a site like rcgroups, and you will see a thousand posts a day plus..

>If you like the ONLINE crap better,

>then by all means GO THERE ...

I look at the online groups when I do Google searches.

There is definitely a wealth of valuable information in them.

More power to 'em.

For my daily dose, I'm content with r.m.rc.air, even when
there isn't much stuff here. :o)

The Natural Philosopher

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Sep 5, 2008, 11:14:05 AM9/5/08
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Bob Cowell wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:17:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote:
>
>> The fact of the matter is that the web based sites do an infinitely
>> better job for modeling chatter.
>>
>>
>> Compare a site like rcgroups, and you will see a thousand posts a day plus..
>
>
> If you like the ONLINE crap better,
> then by all means GO THERE
>
> but speaking from experience,
> unless you have a FAST connection, and unlimited time to waste,
> the online stuff is VERY frustrating
>

I dont find it so, even when I had a moidem only..


> add to that the fact that most are VERY insular in nature, and you get no cross
> section view of the hobby as a whole,
>

not in my experience.

> IF you want to discuss ONLY ONE aspect, they work sort of ok
>
> If you want some cross-pollination, they are a total waste of effort.

Cross pollinatin needs bees. I see only thee and me.

Ed Cregger

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Sep 5, 2008, 6:24:01 PM9/5/08
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"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <mol...@canisius.edu> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:03:38 -0400, "Ed Cregger" <ecre...@bellsouff.net>
> wrote in <g9qeju$os0$1...@aioe.org>:
>
>>I haven't seen but one or two posts each day of this week. I'm using
>>bellsouth's newsgroup, motzarella.org and aioe.org's listings. Is everyone
>>enjoying the Fall weather and just not typing on their computers? Or is
>>this
>>the end of rec.models.rc.air?
>
> I'm busy with the start of classes and some other projects
> (a HD died on my linux box and that led to a long,
> worrisome cascade of difficulties).
>
> I'm also not building or flying much these days. Most
> of my hobby time has gone into renovating my family's
> camp.
>
> Marty

--------------

I'm not flying much either, Marty. My latest blessing is my very own pet
goiter. I'm doing my best to raise it right. I get a CT scan this coming
Tuesday to see just what exactly what is going on with it. It has been on a
growth spurt of late.

I enjoy RCU, RC Groups and RC Hanger. But I haven't forgotten from whence I
came, rec.models.rc.air.

I also have other hobbies like amateur radio, writing/playing/recording
music via computer, etc., to keep me busy. Oh, and my motorcycle. I always
wanted a good looking V-twin powered motorcycle that had the Harley sound.
The 2005 Kawasaki VN800 Classic is just the bike. It sure is pretty. Even
the local police have commented on its beauty. No, they weren't giving me a
ticket. My foot went out from under me at a four way stop and the bike
landed on top of me. They helped me get back upright and riding again. Good
guys, no doubt.

There are so many interesting and new aspects of R/C flying these days that
it is difficult for me to pick a project and then complete it. Then again,
I'm enjoying myself, so what difference does it make?

Ed Cregger


Martin X. Moleski, SJ

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Sep 5, 2008, 7:08:19 PM9/5/08
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On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:24:01 -0400, "Ed Cregger" <ecre...@bellsouff.net> wrote in <g9sbi2$821$1...@aioe.org>:

> ... Then again,

>I'm enjoying myself, so what difference does it make?

Exactly!

I'm on my way to the club meeting.

Hope to do some show flying on Sunday (at a fly-in
breakfast).

fubar1

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Sep 5, 2008, 8:37:15 PM9/5/08
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Fall weather???
Its friggin 103 here in Canyon Country, CA.
Posts have been thin the last few days tho...

Dan
KE6ERB
Fubar of the HillPeople etc....


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MJKolodziej

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"fubar1" <fub...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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Really nice today in central Texas.
I plugged in (to charge) two planes and the TX today in anticipation of
Sunday.
There's a Hanger 9 Sopwith Camel that needs to it's maiden voyage when I get
a round-tu-it.
mk
member of RCU and RCGroups, lurk/look, seldom post


H Davis

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Sep 5, 2008, 10:45:05 PM9/5/08
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I'm still around, Ed. I like the other stuff for specific things, but I like
rec.models.rc.air at least as much for interaction with guy like you, Marty,
Mike, fubar, TNP and the rest.

My wife and I just took a small vacation, is all. Went up to Door County, WI
and took in the sights, sounds, beauty and history of the place.

Harlan


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Ed Cregger

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Sep 6, 2008, 1:28:31 PM9/6/08
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"H Davis" <hda...@wowway.com> wrote in message
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> I'm still around, Ed. I like the other stuff for specific things, but I
> like rec.models.rc.air at least as much for interaction with guy like you,
> Marty, Mike, fubar, TNP and the rest.
>
> My wife and I just took a small vacation, is all. Went up to Door County,
> WI and took in the sights, sounds, beauty and history of the place.
>
> Harlan

------------

I hope that you and the wife are fully recharged and ready for life, Harlan.

It's nice to see that there are more than two or three people still reading
the newsgroup.

Ed Cregger


IFLYJ3

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Sep 7, 2008, 8:29:57 PM9/7/08
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On Sep 6, 1:28�pm, "Ed Cregger" <ecreg...@bellsouff.net> wrote:
> It's nice to see that there are more than two or three people still reading
> the newsgroup.
>
> Ed Cregger

Ed,

It appears that replies are down to all areas. I frequent RCU, RC
Groups and here. Seems like each year about this time communications
start to slow.

Dan Thompson

Robert Scott

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Sep 7, 2008, 10:32:02 PM9/7/08
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I hope it's not the end, Ed!

I haven't posted in quite some time, but I've been lurking. I only flew a
couple of times early this spring, then spent most of my summer Sundays at
the skeet club instead of the flying field. Our upstate NY summer was so
rainy, I never even put my motorcycle on the road... when last year's
insurance policy on it expired at the end of June, I didn't renew it, so the
ol' Ducati aged another year without racking up miles on the ticker. I did
go on a bicycling vacation: an eight-day, 500-mile ride with an old high
school buddy and his family. We did a similar ride last year and we got
home, I had his two boys on the buddy box flying a trainer at the club
field. This year, they were more interested in shooting.

The hunting season has started here with the special early goose season
opening Sept. 1 (my buddies and I got 19 on opening day). My weekends will
be spent hunting from now until the end of February! I do have some
projects to work on this winter... I need to finish up a really neat
electric Wilga kit I have framed up and a big China Model Products P-40 ARF
that needs some customizing to get a Saito 1.50 in the nose.

Long live rec.models.rc.air!
desmobob


Ed Cregger

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Sep 8, 2008, 3:25:59 PM9/8/08
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-------------


Wow, just the thought of a 500 mile bicycle ride makes my prostate ache in
sympathy.

Yeah, this is the time of the year when folks get more active outside, but
it just seemed like the drop off in posts was dramatic this year. And I
agree with you about the online forums having reduced activity too.

It's still too hot down here for me to ride the bike except in the very
early morning. It's still in the 90's here in Northwest Georgia during the
day. I miss riding and I intend to make up for it some this late Fall.

Good to see you posting again, Bob. Take care.

Ed Cregger


Ed Cregger

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"IFLYJ3" <WB4...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ed,

Dan Thompson

--------

Hi, Dan. Yeah, I've noted the same thing with the online forums too. Oh
well, I guess things will pick up a bit as it cools off.

I'm getting back into ham radio after a lay off lasting a few years. Bought
an Icom IC-756 MKIII Pro, or however you say it. Nice rig. I usually use
rigs that are just one level up from a mobile (I use mobiles too). This new
rig has me spoiled.

I have finally managed to get a few sales on eBay. For a while there, no one
was buying. I'm going to clear out the ARF collection and focus more on
building old pattern ships again.

I too have a CMP P-40 with retracts. I'll probably end up putting my Super
Tigre G2300 in that, or, if I really get crazy, try to fit in my Saito FG-36
gasser. Oops, I just realized it was another fellow that has a CMP P-40.

Ed Cregger


sta...@earthlink.net

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Sep 18, 2008, 11:11:59 PM9/18/08
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Gee I read this last week so tonight when I went to google groups I
looked at the number of subscribers and was a little shocked. Only
624. Back 5 years ago I'd get a least 100 headers a day. Now lucky
to get 5 a week. From what I've seen on the web, most of those
migrated to the forums and if you take a look as to why, you can see
it it the charter of rec.models.rc.air. I think most, like myself,
like to view images, follow links, and keep up with the latest
developments threw advertisement on those sites. RMRCA really doesn't
offer those resources and thus, those that found there way here left
for bigger brighter areas to express there interests and share there
thoughts.
_______
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Your site on the Internet for FREE Model Airplane Plans
Bookmark this site for the fantastic resource it is.
<http://www.starcadplans.net>

Martin X. Moleski, SJ

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Sep 19, 2008, 12:15:02 AM9/19/08
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:11:59 -0700 (PDT), sta...@earthlink.net wrote in
<201f2a3e-8194-4399...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:

>Gee I read this last week so tonight when I went to google groups I
>looked at the number of subscribers and was a little shocked. Only
>624. Back 5 years ago I'd get a least 100 headers a day. Now lucky
>to get 5 a week. From what I've seen on the web, most of those
>migrated to the forums and if you take a look as to why, you can see
>it it the charter of rec.models.rc.air. I think most, like myself,
>like to view images, follow links, and keep up with the latest
>developments threw advertisement on those sites. RMRCA really doesn't
>offer those resources and thus, those that found there way here left
>for bigger brighter areas to express there interests and share there
>thoughts.

Yes, it all make sense.

Some sites offer (or did offer?) access to the newsgroup
through their web pages, I think, giving their members
the best of both worlds.

Marty
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The Natural Philosopher

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Sep 19, 2008, 4:33:51 AM9/19/08
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Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:11:59 -0700 (PDT), sta...@earthlink.net wrote in
> <201f2a3e-8194-4399...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:
>
>> Gee I read this last week so tonight when I went to google groups I
>> looked at the number of subscribers and was a little shocked. Only
>> 624. Back 5 years ago I'd get a least 100 headers a day. Now lucky
>> to get 5 a week. From what I've seen on the web, most of those
>> migrated to the forums and if you take a look as to why, you can see
>> it it the charter of rec.models.rc.air. I think most, like myself,
>> like to view images, follow links, and keep up with the latest
>> developments threw advertisement on those sites. RMRCA really doesn't
>> offer those resources and thus, those that found there way here left
>> for bigger brighter areas to express there interests and share there
>> thoughts.
>
> Yes, it all make sense.
>
> Some sites offer (or did offer?) access to the newsgroup
> through their web pages, I think, giving their members
> the best of both worlds.
>
> Marty

RCgroups certainly do. However the fact is that for modeling chitchat,
Usenet is an inferior medium.

1/. Time lag. Posts take a considerable time to ripple out to all
servers..a more or less real time conversation is not possible.

2/. No pictures. I want to see pictures, post pictures, see how someone
else has fixed their undercarriage etc.

3/. Editing: Once a Usenet post has gone out, thats it. No chance to
edit it, remove the typos, or correct wrong information.

4/. Unreliability. Usenet is heavy traffic, and often posts get lost or
discard when servers get overloaded.

5/. Lack of moderation. The web fora can remove most of the irrelevant
trash and suspend accounts. This makes them less noisy and full of
rubbish. The one thing that is good about Usenet - that you can more ore
say anything no matter how obscene, and see it whistle round the world,
loses its positives in this sort of specialized place.

Mind you, when one site started introducing a 'naughty words' filter I
had to complain about it rejecting my post featuring the well known
phrase 'The Law is an Ass'. Apparently the Animal Our Dear Lord Jesus
used to ride on, is an obscene word in the Bible Belt.

There probably ought to be a standard post in here saying 'here are all
the current model aircraft interactive websites, you will find us there'

Martin X. Moleski, SJ

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Sep 19, 2008, 9:39:39 AM9/19/08
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:33:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote in <122181323...@proxy00.news.clara.net>:

> ... Usenet is an inferior medium.

>1/. Time lag. Posts take a considerable time to ripple out to all
>servers..a more or less real time conversation is not possible.

May have been true in the past.

May be true of those who get at newsgroups through Google
or another web-based server (they only update the page
on some periodic basis).

May be true of some news servers.

Not true of NNTP per se. The last measure I heard for
world-wide distribution was under 2 minutes. It's
not a chat room, but it's pretty impressive.

>2/. No pictures. I want to see pictures, post pictures, see how someone
>else has fixed their undercarriage etc.

Conceded. There are times when pictures are essential.

>3/. Editing: Once a Usenet post has gone out, thats it. No chance to
>edit it, remove the typos, or correct wrong information.

Agreed.

>4/. Unreliability. Usenet is heavy traffic, and often posts get lost or

>discarded when servers get overloaded.

I heard that statement in the 90s. Dunno if it's still
true. I have made thousands of posts and only have evidence
of a few not getting off my computer and into circulation.
I see them from time to time when I'm exploring my old
sent folder.

>5/. Lack of moderation. The web fora can remove most of the irrelevant
>trash and suspend accounts. This makes them less noisy and full of
>rubbish. The one thing that is good about Usenet - that you can more ore
>say anything no matter how obscene, and see it whistle round the world,
>loses its positives in this sort of specialized place.

I hate the trash talking on Usenet. People definitely do
abuse the freedom. A few bad apples definitely stink up
the place.

>Mind you, when one site started introducing a 'naughty words' filter I
>had to complain about it rejecting my post featuring the well known
>phrase 'The Law is an Ass'.

Mind your spelling: "The Law is a ass."

QUOTATION:
“If the law supposes that,” said Mr. Bumble, ... “the law is a
ass—a idiot. If that’s the eye of the law, the law is a
bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is that his eye may
be opened by experience—by experience.”

ATTRIBUTION:
CHARLES DICKENS, Oliver Twist, chapter 51, p. 489
(1970). First published serially 1837–1839.

<http://www.bartleby.com/73/1002.html>

>Apparently the Animal Our Dear Lord Jesus
>used to ride on, is an obscene word in the Bible Belt.

I'm not near a historical lexicon, but chances are good
that the people of Jesus' day didn't use the same range
of meanings that we do. I'll bet that the sequence
was something like this:

- inoffensive name for an animal (Elizabethan era)
- insult to people who had the characteristics
of said animal (Elizabethan era)
- reference to portion of anatomy (later era)

In other words, what used to be inoffensive became offensive
due to the development (evolution, perhaps) of language.

>There probably ought to be a standard post in here saying 'here are all
>the current model aircraft interactive websites, you will find us there'

People are certainly welcome to make such posts. They
have been made irregularly since the first forum opened.
They would be slightly insulting to those of us who
won't be found on the forums, but that's life on Usenet.
People are free to say what they like. ;o)

Martin X. Moleski, SJ

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On Sep 19, 9:39 am, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <mole...@canisius.edu>
wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:33:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote in <1221813236.2796...@proxy00.news.clara.net>:
>
> > ... Usenet is an inferior medium.
> >1/. Time lag. Posts take a considerable time to ripple out to all
> >servers..a more or less real time conversation is not possible.
>
> May have been true in the past.
>
> May be true of those who get at newsgroups through Google
> or another web-based server (they only update the page
> on some periodic basis).

Just for the fun of it, I peeked into Google after I finished reading
newsgroups with Agent and answering some e-mail. My
post had arrived.

I think that's pretty impressive.

Marty

The Natural Philosopher

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Sep 19, 2008, 12:46:14 PM9/19/08
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Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:33:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote in <122181323...@proxy00.news.clara.net>:
>
>> ... Usenet is an inferior medium.
>
>> 1/. Time lag. Posts take a considerable time to ripple out to all
>> servers..a more or less real time conversation is not possible.
>
> May have been true in the past.
>
> May be true of those who get at newsgroups through Google
> or another web-based server (they only update the page
> on some periodic basis).
>
> May be true of some news servers.
>
> Not true of NNTP per se. The last measure I heard for
> world-wide distribution was under 2 minutes. It's
> not a chat room, but it's pretty impressive.
>

You haven't run a news server then have you? Even when I was building
them, the slightest glitch and you are hours behind, and so is anyone
who takes feeds off you. Its one of the most disk and compute intensive
tasks on the internet.

I often finds replies to posts coming before the actual post, and often
do not even see theh posts.


>> 2/. No pictures. I want to see pictures, post pictures, see how someone
>> else has fixed their undercarriage etc.
>
> Conceded. There are times when pictures are essential.
>
>> 3/. Editing: Once a Usenet post has gone out, thats it. No chance to
>> edit it, remove the typos, or correct wrong information.
>
> Agreed.
>
>> 4/. Unreliability. Usenet is heavy traffic, and often posts get lost or
>> discarded when servers get overloaded.
>
> I heard that statement in the 90s. Dunno if it's still
> true. I have made thousands of posts and only have evidence
> of a few not getting off my computer and into circulation.
> I see them from time to time when I'm exploring my old
> sent folder.
>

Oh they get off your computer allright. Its what happens afterwards.
Severs hold them in a queue until they can be inserted into te
databases..well they aren't proper database, but you know what I
mean..if the computer has a problem, and they always do - the queue gets
junked. Its only unsenet, after all,. No guarantees of service, no
income from it, and very expensive to build...

>> 5/. Lack of moderation. The web fora can remove most of the irrelevant
>> trash and suspend accounts. This makes them less noisy and full of
>> rubbish. The one thing that is good about Usenet - that you can more ore
>> say anything no matter how obscene, and see it whistle round the world,
>> loses its positives in this sort of specialized place.
>
> I hate the trash talking on Usenet. People definitely do
> abuse the freedom. A few bad apples definitely stink up
> the place.
>

I love it and hate it. You wont get away with posting anywhere on a
moderated US site, even tongue in cheek, that George Bush is the best
advertisement for abortion and euthanasia, that there is.. ;-)

>> Mind you, when one site started introducing a 'naughty words' filter I
>> had to complain about it rejecting my post featuring the well known
>> phrase 'The Law is an Ass'.
>
> Mind your spelling: "The Law is a ass."

I see no difference in spelling. Of ass.

I could go on. Lets talk about the nice labrador bitch we got our
puppies from. Yes thats the black bitch up the road.


>
> In other words, what used to be inoffensive became offensive
> due to the development (evolution, perhaps) of language.

Offensive to whom?

What are lady dogs called in the USA?

Over here a spade is both a gardening tool, a suit in cards, and a
gentleman of the negro persuasion..

Diddy means little. Its also short for Diddicoy, a peculiar word meaning
an itinerant person of possibly Irish or Romany extraction, and very
much associated with mini crime waves when noted in the neighbourhood.

Context is everything: machine filters are useless.

Morgans

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"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <> wrote

> Not true of NNTP per se. The last measure I heard for


> world-wide distribution was under 2 minutes. It's
> not a chat room, but it's pretty impressive.

I frequently keep near real time conversations in another group. When I
send a post, I can usually see it on the web in the amount of time it take
to sync the group. About 5 seconds?


>
>>2/. No pictures. I want to see pictures, post pictures, see how someone
>>else has fixed their undercarriage etc.
>
> Conceded. There are times when pictures are essential.

If you have a web site that you can post pictures to, a hot link makes that
possible. There are many free photo sharing sites. Granted, it means you
have to make an extra click and wait a few seconds, but I don't mind doing
that, either.

Some of the other points have validity, but to me, usenet is like the saying
about democracy. Something like "it is the worst form of government,
except for all of the rest."

Usenet, to me, is the easiest way to read a bunch of posts in a big hurry,
and not have to poke around to figure out where all of the posts of the day
are located. I have tried web based groups, and have come to the conclusion
that they are so cumbersome that I rarely make the effort to read them.

Of course, these are my opinions, and everyone has one of their own. That
is what keeps life interesting, I guess.
--
Jim in NC


Martin X. Moleski, SJ

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On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:16:39 -0400, "Morgans" <jsmo...@charterJUNK.net> wrote in <gb18da$l18$2...@aioe.org>:

>> ... There are times when pictures are essential.

>If you have a web site that you can post pictures to, a hot link makes that
>possible. There are many free photo sharing sites. Granted, it means you
>have to make an extra click and wait a few seconds, but I don't mind doing
>that, either.

Me, neither.

I'm just as happy not to have to look at all
the ads, avatars, and site chrome.

>Some of the other points have validity, but to me, usenet is like the saying
>about democracy. Something like "it is the worst form of government,
>except for all of the rest."

I accept that Usenet is not for everyone.

>Usenet, to me, is the easiest way to read a bunch of posts in a big hurry,
>and not have to poke around to figure out where all of the posts of the day
>are located. I have tried web based groups, and have come to the conclusion
>that they are so cumbersome that I rarely make the effort to read them.

Agreed completely. I've been reading Usenet for about 13 years or
so. It is very much to my taste.

>Of course, these are my opinions, and everyone has one of their own. That
>is what keeps life interesting, I guess.

Yup.

The Natural Philosopher

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Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:16:39 -0400, "Morgans" <jsmo...@charterJUNK.net> wrote in <gb18da$l18$2...@aioe.org>:
>
>>> ... There are times when pictures are essential.
>
>> If you have a web site that you can post pictures to, a hot link makes that
>> possible. There are many free photo sharing sites. Granted, it means you
>> have to make an extra click and wait a few seconds, but I don't mind doing
>> that, either.
>
> Me, neither.
>
> I'm just as happy not to have to look at all
> the ads, avatars, and site chrome.
>

Well checkout firefox with adblock.


>> Some of the other points have validity, but to me, usenet is like the saying
>> about democracy. Something like "it is the worst form of government,
>> except for all of the rest."
>
> I accept that Usenet is not for everyone.
>
>> Usenet, to me, is the easiest way to read a bunch of posts in a big hurry,
>> and not have to poke around to figure out where all of the posts of the day
>> are located. I have tried web based groups, and have come to the conclusion
>> that they are so cumbersome that I rarely make the effort to read them.
>
> Agreed completely. I've been reading Usenet for about 13 years or
> so. It is very much to my taste.
>

Well I read it too, as you can see, but for RC modelling, its not where
I converse, mainly.

richg99

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This may be a strange way to look at it...but..I think a good thing about
this group is that it DOESN'T HAVE a zillion posts everyday. Great variety;
but limited volume...That's a good thing for busy people. Rich

Vance Howard

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Sep 20, 2008, 10:53:23 AM9/20/08
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:37:45 -0500, richg99 thought:

Yes, but it often has no posts other than posts about no posts. ;-)

Morgans

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"Vance Howard" <it...@example.invalid> wrote

>
> Yes, but it often has no posts other than posts about no posts. ;-)

I knew you were going to say that.

But then, you knew I knew that you were going to say that. <g>
--
Jim in NC


Martin X. Moleski, SJ

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On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:46:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote in <122184289...@proxy01.news.clara.net>:

>> May be true of some news servers.

>> Not true of NNTP per se. The last measure I heard for
>> world-wide distribution was under 2 minutes. It's
>> not a chat room, but it's pretty impressive.

>You haven't run a news server then have you?

Nope.

But some of my best friends are news administrators.

I hang out with them on the Big-8 Management Board.

>Even when I was building
>them, the slightest glitch and you are hours behind, and so is anyone
>who takes feeds off you. Its one of the most disk and computer intensive
>tasks on the internet.

And disks and computers have come a long way.

The whole point of the internet is asymmetric distribution.

The server that goes down obviously has problems, as do
its clients; but the other news servers around the world
will scarcely know that it's gone.

>I often finds replies to posts coming before the actual post, and often
>do not even see theh posts.

Some news servers may be blocking traffic from other news servers.
That, I think, is a conscious decision and one of the quirks
in the system. No one is in charge of the whole thing.
It is a cooperative effort by an uncounted multitude of
news servers.

>>> 4/. Unreliability. Usenet is heavy traffic, and often posts get lost or
>>> discarded when servers get overloaded.

>> I heard that statement in the 90s. Dunno if it's still
>> true. I have made thousands of posts and only have evidence
>> of a few not getting off my computer and into circulation.
>> I see them from time to time when I'm exploring my old
>> sent folder.

>Oh they get off your computer allright. Its what happens afterwards.
>Severs hold them in a queue until they can be inserted into te
>databases..well they aren't proper database, but you know what I
>mean..if the computer has a problem, and they always do - the queue gets
>junked. Its only unsenet, after all,. No guarantees of service, no
>income from it, and very expensive to build...

Some people do earn a living from it. One of them
told me that the biggest expense is bandwidth.

I'd like to put together a text-only news server some
day for the handful of groups that I like to read.
It might have just one customer, so bandwidth might
not be a problem. :o)

>> I hate the trash talking on Usenet. People definitely do
>> abuse the freedom. A few bad apples definitely stink up
>> the place.

>I love it and hate it. You wont get away with posting anywhere on a
>moderated US site, even tongue in cheek, that George Bush is the best
>advertisement for abortion and euthanasia, that there is.. ;-)
>
>>> Mind you, when one site started introducing a 'naughty words' filter I
>>> had to complain about it rejecting my post featuring the well known
>>> phrase 'The Law is an Ass'.
>>
>> Mind your spelling: "The Law is a ass."
>
>I see no difference in spelling. Of ass.

I was thinking of the difference between "an" and "a."
The variation is part of the character Dickens created.
It didn't happen by accident. ;o)

>I could go on. Lets talk about the nice labrador bitch we got our
>puppies from. Yes that's the black bitch up the road.

>> In other words, what used to be inoffensive became offensive
>> due to the development (evolution, perhaps) of language.

>Offensive to whom?

To some members of your audience.

>What are lady dogs called in the USA?

That calls for some kind of punch line that
I am not in a position to provide.

(Self-moderation: the only form of moderation
that works!)

>Context is everything: machine filters are useless.

The machine filters are doing OK with 95% of spam
(at a guess). I'm very grateful for the service
they provide.

Usenet: it's part of the final frontier, for good or
for ill.

Marty
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Martin X. Moleski, SJ

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Sorry for pumping out some old posts this afternoon.

I was trying to debug a problem with Agent and
cleared my Outbox without looking to see what
was stuck in it ...

My bad.
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