Where can you get these?
Roy Tansill
can I obtain small sheaves and pulleys in HO gauge? I had several but
recently needed 4 sheaves the same size for a high ball signal and I
couldn't even match any two form the small pile on hand and I've been out of
pulleys for quite awhile. I looked on the web but found nothing useful.
Specifically I need a small sheave about 18" diameter and single block
pulleys but can't seem to find either. I'd appreciate any help you can give
me.
Roy
fl@liner
lists several sizes of sheaves and blocks.
--
Mike
"A man who thinks of himself as belonging to a particular
national group
in America has not yet become an American.
And the man who goes among you to trade upon your
nationality is no worthy son to live under the Stars and
Stripes."
-- Woodrow Wilson
Wolf K
Model Expo offers a variety of sizes, some of which are close enough to
HO scale. Considering that in Real Life these things vary a lot in size,
I wouldn't sweat the scale.
cheers,
wolf k.
Steve Caple
> "A man who thinks of himself as belonging to a particular
> national group
> in America has not yet become an American.
> And the man who goes among you to trade upon your
> nationality is no worthy son to live under the Stars and
> Stripes."
> -- Woodrow Wilson
Uh, the Wilson that segregated the US government, encouraged Jim Crow laws,
praised the film "Birth of a Naton", excused the Klan, etc.? (He also
muffed the post-WW I treaty negotiations, letting the French and British
create the punitive conditions that lead to the rise of the Nazis.)
'Woodrow Wilson's record on race relations was not very good. African
Americans welcomed his election in 1912, but they were worried too. During
his first term in office, the House passed a law making racial
intermarriage a felony in the District of Columbia. His new Postmaster
General also ordered that his Washington offices be segregated, with the
Treasury and Navy soon doing the same. Suddenly, photographs were required
of all applicants for federal jobs. When pressed by black leaders, Wilson
replied, "The purpose of these measures was to reduce the friction ? It is
as far as possible from being a movement against the Negroes. I sincerely
believe it to be in their interest."'
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/wilson/portrait/wp_african.html
After the "battle" of Veracruz, where US battleships shelled the Mexican
Naval Academy and killed cadets, Wilson's Secretary of the Navy Josephus
Daniels ordered that more Medals of Honor be awarded thatn for any other
single action in US history, and close to hald the number that would be
awarded in either WW I or Korea. Major Smedley Butler, who received one of
the 9 awarded to Marines, later wanted to return it. He claimed that the
Veracruz affair and the over the top puffing up of MoH awards was an
"unutterable foul perversion of Our Country's greatest gift", and claimed
he'd done nothing heroic.
I heard Woodrow Wilson's guns
I heard Maria crying
Late last night I heard the news
That Veracruz was dying
Veracruz was dying
Someone called Maria's name
I swear it was my father's voice
Saying, "If you stay you'll all be slain
You must leave now - you have no choice
Take the servants and ride west
Keep the child close to your chest
When the American troops withdraw
Let Zapata take the rest"
I heard Woodrow Wilson's guns
I heard Maria calling
Saying, "Veracruz is dying
And Cuernavaca's falling"
Aquel dia yo jure (On that day I swore
Hacia el puerto volvere (To the port I will return
Aunque el destino cambio mi vida (Even though destiny changed my life
En Veracruz morire (In Veracruz I shall die
Aquel dia yo jure (On that day I swore)
I heard Woodrow Wilson's guns
I heard them in the harbor
Saying, "Veracruz is dying"
- Warren Zevon
from the album "Excitable Boy", one of his finest, and definitely one of
the best of the '70s - and it's onl $7.98 at Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Excitable-Boy-Warren-Zevon/dp/B000002GW7
1. Johnny Strikes up the Band
2. Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner
3. Excitable Boy
4. Werewolves of London
5. Accidentally Like a Martyr
6. Night Time in the Switching Yard
7. Veracruz
8. Tenderness on the Block
9. Lawyers, Guns and Money
--
Steve
David Nebenzahl
> Roy Tansill wrote:
>
>> My scratch building supplies have developed a hole in the
>> inventory. Where can I obtain small sheaves and pulleys in HO
>> gauge? I had several but recently needed 4 sheaves the same size
>> for a high ball signal and I couldn't even match any two form the
>> small pile on hand and I've been out of pulleys for quite awhile. I
>> looked on the web but found nothing useful. Specifically I need a
>> small sheave about 18" diameter and single block pulleys but can't
>> seem to find either. I'd appreciate any help you can give me.
>
> http://www.naturecoast.com/hobby/catalog.htm
> lists several sizes of sheaves and blocks.
Dunno where you came up with that. Searching for "pulley", "sheave" and
"block" on that page comes up with zilch. (They show kits that *include*
pulleys, but none separately that I can see.) Can you point us to a link
to pulleys there?
--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism
Howard R Garner
Check Fittings, Wood, Figures, etc
page 3 has blocks and working block
page 7 has brass sheaves
page 8 has bulk supply of bocks
Do you want us to blow your nose too?
Jim
These are might do. The 5 mm would scale out at 17"
Just happened to get their catalog this afternoon.
Jim
Roy Tansill
models sites.... I guess I've been a bit tunnel visioned with trains for too
long. You've solved my inventory problems and looking through all those
fittings have me thinking about other odd scratch projects- thanks again
Roy
Bob May
manufacturers of logging railroad parts and one of the things all logging
scenes need is sheaves for the rigging.
--
Bob May
rmay at nethere.com
http: slash /nav.to slash bobmay
http: slash /bobmay dot astronomy.net
Twibil
>
> Do you want us to blow your nose too?
Yup. Someone asks politely for more information, and someone else
feels compelled to post a snotty put down in reply.
There's always gotta be one.
David Nebenzahl
Yikes. There it is. Dunno how I missed that. 20 lashes with a wet noodle
for me.
> Do you want us to blow your nose too?
Um, no, not this time. But thanks for offering.
Ray Haddad
Fans of irony take note.
--
Ray
Rick Jones
Besides what already has been mentioned, here's a bulk assortment of
100 misc. pulleys, sheaves, etc. in HO scale:
http://valleymodeltrains.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=6241
No photos unfortunately so hard to tell if it's what you need. I
also looked at WSM's web page for the product and they don't have any
photos either. Perhaps an e-mail to them might get something you can peruse.
--
Rick Jones
Remove the Extra Dot to e-mail me
"Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for
the people."
-Oscar Wilde
Twibil
>
> >There's always gotta be one.
>
> Fans of irony take note.
Good advise from the one single soul on RMR who's managed to make
enemies of a coalition of posters who would normally have nothing in
common save a love of model railroading and an abiding dislike for
*him*.
So when are *you* going to begin posting some relevant threads,
Poopsie?
David Nebenzahl
Probably never, if history is any guide.
Twibil
>
> > So when are *you* going to begin posting some relevant threads,
> > Poopsie?
>
> Probably never, if history is any guide.
Eh. I've not been here long enough pass judgement on what Ray has -or
hasn't- posted in the past, but he seems singularly bent on trying to
build up his own ego by putting other folks down, and he doesn't
bother letting truth stand in his way, either.
Now me, I've never claimed to be the pink fairy of sweetness, but
telling obvious -and repeated- lies would seem to be counter-
productive for someone who wants people to respect him...
Ray Haddad
The fans of irony are laughing their heads off at you both.
--
Ray
Greg.Procter
> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:30:45 -0700 (PDT), Twibil
> <noway...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 10, 5:07ï¿œpm, David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>>>
>>> > So when are *you* going to begin posting some relevant threads,
>>> > Poopsie?
>>>
>>> Probably never, if history is any guide.
>>
>> Eh. I've not been here long enough pass judgement on what Ray has -or
>> hasn't- posted in the past, but he seems singularly bent on trying to
>> build up his own ego by putting other folks down, and he doesn't
>> bother letting truth stand in his way, either.
>>
>> Now me, I've never claimed to be the pink fairy of sweetness, but
>> telling obvious -and repeated- lies would seem to be counter-
>> productive for someone who wants people to respect him...
>
> The fans of irony are laughing their heads off at you both.
> --
> Ray
You still haven't replied to my polite query as to why you imagine
that culture resides solely in the USa.
Regards,
Greg.P.
Twibil
>
> The fans of irony are laughing their heads off at you both.
Sure they are, Ray.
Note: should you ever discover the meaning of the word "truth", you
will find that nearly everyone respects it, and that those who don't
are held in almost universal contempt.
Your call.
Ray Haddad
<pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:52:25 +1200, Ray Haddad <r...@perthmagic.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:30:45 -0700 (PDT), Twibil
>> <noway...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 10, 5:07�pm, David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > So when are *you* going to begin posting some relevant threads,
>>>> > Poopsie?
>>>>
>>>> Probably never, if history is any guide.
>>>
>>> Eh. I've not been here long enough pass judgement on what Ray has -or
>>> hasn't- posted in the past, but he seems singularly bent on trying to
>>> build up his own ego by putting other folks down, and he doesn't
>>> bother letting truth stand in his way, either.
>>>
>>> Now me, I've never claimed to be the pink fairy of sweetness, but
>>> telling obvious -and repeated- lies would seem to be counter-
>>> productive for someone who wants people to respect him...
>>
>> The fans of irony are laughing their heads off at you both.
>
>You still haven't replied to my polite query as to why you imagine
>that culture resides solely in the USa.
You inferred that. I stated that you had none.
--
Ray
Ray Haddad
Ok. I find you in contempt.
Man, you really are stupid.
--
Ray
fl@liner
There are nine pages of bits to look through. Look on page
3 and page 7.
David Nebenzahl
Sayeth the man with no discernible friends here. How smart is *that*?
Twibil
>
> >> The fans of irony are laughing their heads off at you both.
>
> >Sure they are, Ray.
>
> >Note: should you ever discover the meaning of the word "truth", you
> >will find that nearly everyone respects it, and that those who don't
> >are held in almost universal contempt.
>
> >Your call.
>
> Ok. I find you in contempt.
My, how judgemental of you.
> Man, you really are stupid.
Tested out at 168 the last time they ran me through the Stanford-Binet
IQ tests, Ray.
Remember the bit above concerning "truth"? (Oh well, apparently not.
Shrug.)
Ray Haddad
<noway...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jun 11, 3:27�am, Ray Haddad <r...@perthmagic.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> The fans of irony are laughing their heads off at you both.
>>
>> >Sure they are, Ray.
>>
>> >Note: should you ever discover the meaning of the word "truth", you
>> >will find that nearly everyone respects it, and that those who don't
>> >are held in almost universal contempt.
>>
>> >Your call.
>>
>> Ok. I find you in contempt.
>
>My, how judgemental of you.
>
>> Man, you really are stupid.
>
>Tested out at 168 the last time they ran me through the Stanford-Binet
>IQ tests, Ray.
Oh, dear. Anyone bragging about their IQ is always found to be lying.
Not only that but it proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that you are
indeed stupid.
>Remember the bit above concerning "truth"? (Oh well, apparently not.
>Shrug.)
You are a breeding ground of laughs for the fans of irony, mate. Don't
ever change.
--
Ray
Ray Haddad
Just because you are not numbered among them doesn't mean that can't
change. Relax and try again. I've been known to forgive stupidity when
it is congenital.
--
Ray
David Nebenzahl
"Them"? I challenge you to name even one.
Oh, you mean all those folks who don't write *anything* in response to
you. I see you're mistaking silence for "friendship". On the other hand,
if you're that hard up for friends, I can see it.
Twibil
> >Tested out at 168 the last time they ran me through the Stanford-Binet
> >IQ tests, Ray.
>
> Oh, dear. Anyone bragging about their IQ is always found to be lying.
Poor baby: anyone redefining words to suit themselves gets labeled a
"revisionist" at best, and then people invariably point out Lewis
Carrol's Humpty-Dumpty quote to them, which must be embarassing if you
happen to be British and style yourself literate as well.
"Boasting" it would be if I was making an unprovoked claim out of
sheer pride, but when you accuse me of being "stupid" and I reply by
squashing you with the hard facts, it's neither "boasting" nor
unprovoked.
The fact that you stuck your own balls into the crusher and then
pushed the "on" button to see what would happen is not my problem, nor
do I feel sorry for your hurt, um, feelings.
> Not only that but it proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that you are
> indeed stupid.
Sure, Ray. And in your own mind you've "won" this the same way you
"win" all of your disagreements: by lying, resolutely refusing to
recognise reality, and insisting on getting in the last post, no
matter what.
As Dave N. would say "How's that working out for you?"
Shrug.
Greg.Procter
> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:08:41 +1200, "Greg.Procter"
> <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:52:25 +1200, Ray Haddad <r...@perthmagic.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:30:45 -0700 (PDT), Twibil
>>> <noway...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jun 10, 5:07ï¿œpm, David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > So when are *you* going to begin posting some relevant threads,
>>>>> > Poopsie?
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably never, if history is any guide.
>>>>
>>>> Eh. I've not been here long enough pass judgement on what Ray has -or
>>>> hasn't- posted in the past, but he seems singularly bent on trying to
>>>> build up his own ego by putting other folks down, and he doesn't
>>>> bother letting truth stand in his way, either.
>>>>
>>>> Now me, I've never claimed to be the pink fairy of sweetness, but
>>>> telling obvious -and repeated- lies would seem to be counter-
>>>> productive for someone who wants people to respect him...
>>>
>>> The fans of irony are laughing their heads off at you both.
>>
>> You still haven't replied to my polite query as to why you imagine
>> that culture resides solely in the USa.
>
> You inferred that. I stated that you had none.
> --
> Ray
Ok, I'll go with your implied amazing "culture" is less than my "none".
Regards,
Greg.P.
Greg.Procter
What do you mean? Ray counts me as his best friend!
Greg.P.
Greg.Procter
> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:44:42 -0700 (PDT), Twibil
> <noway...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 11, 3:27ï¿œam, Ray Haddad <r...@perthmagic.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> The fans of irony are laughing their heads off at you both.
>>>
>>> >Sure they are, Ray.
>>>
>>> >Note: should you ever discover the meaning of the word "truth", you
>>> >will find that nearly everyone respects it, and that those who don't
>>> >are held in almost universal contempt.
>>>
>>> >Your call.
>>>
>>> Ok. I find you in contempt.
>>
>> My, how judgemental of you.
>>
>>> Man, you really are stupid.
>>
>> Tested out at 168 the last time they ran me through the Stanford-Binet
>> IQ tests, Ray.
>
> Oh, dear. Anyone bragging about their IQ is always found to be lying.
> Not only that but it proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that you are
> indeed stupid.
>
Ray, ol' buddy, a person with an IQ of 168 can in fact be stupid, but
generally only in isolated instances. You've proven that you aren't.
>> Remember the bit above concerning "truth"? (Oh well, apparently not.
>> Shrug.)
Must we presume either that you tell lies constantly, or that you consider
yourself to have the highest possible IQ? (84)
>
> You are a breeding ground of laughs for the fans of irony, mate. Don't
> ever change.
> --
> Ray
Regards,
Greg.P.
Twibil
> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:27:47 +1200, David Nebenzahl
>
>
>
>
>
> <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
> > On 6/11/2009 3:27 AM Ray Haddad spake thus:
>
> >> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:58:25 -0700 (PDT), Twibil
>
>
> >>> Sure they are, Ray.
>
> >>> Note: should you ever discover the meaning of the word "truth", you
> >>> will find that nearly everyone respects it, and that those who don't
> >>> are held in almost universal contempt.
>
> >>> Your call.
> >> Ok. I find you in contempt.
> >> Man, you really are stupid.
>
> > Sayeth the man with no discernible friends here. How smart is *that*?
>
> What do you mean? Ray counts me as his best friend!
OW!
With friends like you, who needs enemas?
(Bows, does quick buck-and-wing off to stage-right.)
Ray Haddad
<nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>On 6/11/2009 1:59 PM Ray Haddad spake thus:
>
>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:27:47 -0700, David Nebenzahl
>> <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/11/2009 3:27 AM Ray Haddad spake thus:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:58:25 -0700 (PDT), Twibil
>>>> <noway...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 10, 7:52 pm, Ray Haddad <r...@perthmagic.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fans of irony are laughing their heads off at you both.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure they are, Ray.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note: should you ever discover the meaning of the word "truth",
>>>>> you will find that nearly everyone respects it, and that those
>>>>> who don't are held in almost universal contempt.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your call.
>>>>
>>>> Ok. I find you in contempt.
>>>>
>>>> Man, you really are stupid.
>>>
>>> Sayeth the man with no discernible friends here. How smart is *that*?
>>
>> Just because you are not numbered among them doesn't mean that can't
>> change.
>
>"Them"? I challenge you to name even one.
>
>Oh, you mean all those folks who don't write *anything* in response to
>you. I see you're mistaking silence for "friendship". On the other hand,
>if you're that hard up for friends, I can see it.
If that's your measure then you must be one guy with tons of friends.
All of whom dislike you. How odd.
--
Ray
Ray Haddad
<noway...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jun 11, 1:57�pm, Ray Haddad <r...@perthmagic.com> wrote:
>
>> >Tested out at 168 the last time they ran me through the Stanford-Binet
>> >IQ tests, Ray.
>>
>> Oh, dear. Anyone bragging about their IQ is always found to be lying.
>
>Poor baby: anyone redefining words to suit themselves gets labeled a
>"revisionist" at best, and then people invariably point out Lewis
>Carrol's Humpty-Dumpty quote to them, which must be embarassing if you
>happen to be British and style yourself literate as well.
>
>"Boasting" it would be if I was making an unprovoked claim out of
>sheer pride, but when you accuse me of being "stupid" and I reply by
>squashing you with the hard facts, it's neither "boasting" nor
>unprovoked.
>
>The fact that you stuck your own balls into the crusher and then
>pushed the "on" button to see what would happen is not my problem, nor
>do I feel sorry for your hurt, um, feelings.
Well, you ARE stupid. More so in trying to prove you're not. Don't you
see the irony in all that? What am I asking? There's not a chance you
could ever see it.
>> Not only that but it proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that you are
>> indeed stupid.
>
>Sure, Ray. And in your own mind you've "won" this the same way you
>"win" all of your disagreements: by lying, resolutely refusing to
>recognise reality, and insisting on getting in the last post, no
>matter what.
Speaking of lying, mate. How about that IQ test? Ever seen one?
>As Dave N. would say "How's that working out for you?"
Do tell. Where's your IQ test?
>Shrug.
Ah, the one headed salute. Must not be from Arkansas.
--
Ray
Twibil
>
> If that's your measure then you must be one guy with tons of friends.
> All of whom dislike you. How odd.
And how untrue. (Gee, what a surprise: an untruth coming from Ray!)
Dave *is* sometimes edgy, and *has* been known to snap at people
(notably *me* on occasion), but I cannot recall one single time that
I've ever seen him indulge in blatant prevarication either for the
sake of an insult or for propping up his own ego. (Which seems to be
quite reasonably healthy from everything I've seen so far.)
At worst, he annoys me from time to time -as I most likely annoy him-
but no, I don't dislike him. Because even though we frequently
disagree on subjects such as politics, we share a love of model
railroading, an out-front respect for candor -and (Surprise!) somewhat
abrasive personalities.
But you, on the other hand, don't seem to have ever graduated from the
monkey-house school of repartee. Like them, you simply pick up
steaming handfulls of feces whenever you're annoyed and fling them in
every direction, hoping that something may randomly stick to those who
you see as your tormentors. You *really* don't seem to comprehend that
you can't hurt an adult's feelings by telling lies about them: they
(and everyone else) will simply assume that you're stuck somewhere
lower on the emotional or evolutionary scale, and either ignore you or
treat you as a free amusement park ride, depending on their
inclinations.
In short; Dave and I aren't exactly doing sleep-overs at each other's
homes yet, but I respect him and I'm not afraid to say so: he's
reasonably knowledgable about things I know very little about, and
he's always been willing to share that knowledge when asked.
Now: about that multitude of irony fans you seem to think are being
amused by my "ignorance".........where are they all hiding? (Insert
sounds of crickets and wind blowing across the arid desert sands...)
Twibil
>
> >The fact that you stuck your own balls into the crusher and then
> >pushed the "on" button to see what would happen is not my problem, nor
> >do I feel sorry for your hurt, um, feelings.
>
> Well, you ARE stupid. More so in trying to prove you're not.
Of course. You said so. And in your odd little world that apparently
makes *anything* true.
> Don't you see the irony in all that? What am I asking? There's not a chance you
> could ever see it.
Er, Ray, although I dropped out of college to become a musician long
before I took my Master's degree, my major was psychology and I spent
quite a bit of time working with various sorts of the mentally ill at
Patton State Hospital. (Lovely spot.)
http://www.dmh.ca.gov/Services_and_Programs/State_Hospitals/Patton/default.asp
As a result, I know *exactly* what I'm seeing here.
Ta-ta, Poopsie, you "win" again.
Ray Haddad
And the irony pours out of you like leaks from a punctured pig.
Don't you even see how blatantly aggressive you are? I did nothing to
you yet you continue this baloney. You're the dumbest person to ever
inhabit a spot on USENET and you are just too stupid to see it.
The rest of this thread is yours.
--
Ray
Ray Haddad
LOL
Serious denial, more bragging and plenty of lies from you. No surprise
there. Being a patient there doesn't allow you to put it on your CV.
--
Ray
the OTHER Mike
> The fact that you stuck your own balls into the crusher and then
> pushed the "on" button to see what would happen is not my problem, nor
> do I feel sorry for your hurt, um, feelings.
Now THIS is funny. The jury is still out on the bear story.
Twibil
Shrug.
Some music fans hate everything the Beatles ever did. Same thing's
true of Sinatra or Bach. Nothing pleases everybody, so what else can
one ask except that someone somewhere pays you for your work and
someone else -hopefully several someones- gets some pleasure out of it?
Bob May
--
Bob May
rmay at nethere.com
http: slash /nav.to slash bobmay
http: slash /bobmay dot astronomy.net
Bob May
Ray Haddad
wrote:
>If you can't say anything nice, JUST SHUT UP!!!
Everything I write here is nice and polite. The irony of this is that
your post is quite rude.
--
Ray
Ray Haddad
wrote:
>iF YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING NICE AND CONSTRUCTIVE, SHUT UP!!!
Everything I write here is nice.
--
Ray
Twibil
> The rest of this thread is yours.
Whoops! Turns out he was fibbing, because he followed the above
with...
> LOL
> Serious denial, more bragging and plenty of lies from you. No surprise
> there. Being a patient there doesn't allow you to put it on your CV.
And then after the above, he posted...
> Everything I write here is nice and polite. The irony of this is that
> your post is quite rude.
And yet once more...
> Everything I write here is nice.
As this sequence demonstrates, the poor guy can't even recall what
he's said in his last few posts, which pretty much demonstrates that
he honestly can't tell the difference between reality and whatever the
little voice in his head is telling him to say at any given moment.
So at this point I'm going to recommend that everyone do what I'm
going to do from now on: simply ignore him. We can't *make* him get
better, and nobody who's this far into delusional thought-processes
ever seeks out help unless it's thrust upon them -which is unlikely
these days unless they've been molesting the neighbor's pets or
children.
Too bad. There might have been something worthwhile hiding inside Ray
Haddad at one time.
Greg.Procter
> On Jun 11, 7:01ï¿œpm, "Greg.Procter" <proc...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:27:47 +1200, David Nebenzahl ￜ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>> > On 6/11/2009 3:27 AM Ray Haddad spake thus:
>>
>> >> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:58:25 -0700 (PDT), Twibil
>>
>> >>>> The fans of irony are laughing their heads off at you both.
>>
>> >>> Sure they are, Ray.
>>
>> >>> Note: should you ever discover the meaning of the word "truth", you
>> >>> will find that nearly everyone respects it, and that those who don't
>> >>> are held in almost universal contempt.
>>
>> >>> Your call.
>> >> ï¿œOk. I find you in contempt.
>> >> ï¿œMan, you really are stupid.
>>
>> > Sayeth the man with no discernible friends here. How smart is *that*?
>>
>> What do you mean? Ray counts me as his best friend!
>
> OW!
>
> With friends like you, who needs enemas?
>
> (Bows, does quick buck-and-wing off to stage-right.)
Are you no good with sarcasm?
I guess US humour really is different to the real world's.
Regards,
Greg.P.
NZ
Twibil
> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:39:29 +1200, Twibil <nowayjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 11, 7:01 pm, "Greg.Procter" <proc...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:27:47 +1200, David Nebenzahl
>
> >> > On 6/11/2009 3:27 AM Ray Haddad spake thus:
>
> >> >> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:58:25 -0700 (PDT), Twibil
>
> >> >>>> The fans of irony are laughing their heads off at you both.
>
> >> >>> Sure they are, Ray.
>
> >> >>> Note: should you ever discover the meaning of the word "truth", you
> >> >>> will find that nearly everyone respects it, and that those who don't
> >> >>> are held in almost universal contempt.
>
> >> >>> Your call.
>
> >> > Sayeth the man with no discernible friends here. How smart is *that*?
>
> >> What do you mean? Ray counts me as his best friend!
>
> > OW!
>
> > With friends like you, who needs enemas?
>
> > (Bows, does quick buck-and-wing off to stage-right.)
>
> Are you no good with sarcasm?
Apparently I'm better at it than you are at reading comprehension.
> I guess US humour really is different to the real world's.
And speaking of Trolls.
LD
news:110bfdcc-12a5-4c35...@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
And speaking of Trolls.
===============================================================
I think "buck and wing" is pretty local to the US. And also pretty Old.
Twibil
>
> I think "buck and wing" is pretty local to the US.
Shouldn't matter: it took Google only 0.15 seconds to find 174,000
returns for "buck and wing". Besides, who needs Google to understand
the point of a terrible pun such as "with friends like you, who needs
enemas"?
> And also pretty Old.
Time to throw out every reference that's over 50 years old then?
No more steam engines, guys.
Greg.Procter
> On Jun 15, 5:06ï¿œpm, "Greg.Procter" <proc...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:39:29 +1200, Twibil <nowayjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Jun 11, 7:01ï¿œpm, "Greg.Procter" <proc...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:27:47 +1200, David Nebenzahl ￜ
>>
>> >> <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>> >> > On 6/11/2009 3:27 AM Ray Haddad spake thus:
>>
>> >> >> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:58:25 -0700 (PDT), Twibil
>>
>> >> >>>> The fans of irony are laughing their heads off at you both.
>>
>> >> >>> Sure they are, Ray.
>>
>> >> >>> Note: should you ever discover the meaning of the word "truth",
>> you
>> >> >>> will find that nearly everyone respects it, and that those who
>> don't
>> >> >>> are held in almost universal contempt.
>>
>> >> >>> Your call.
>> >> >> ï¿œOk. I find you in contempt.
>> >> >> ï¿œMan, you really are stupid.
>>
>> >> > Sayeth the man with no discernible friends here. How smart is
>> *that*?
>>
>> >> What do you mean? Ray counts me as his best friend!
>>
>> > OW!
>>
>> > With friends like you, who needs enemas?
>>
>> > (Bows, does quick buck-and-wing off to stage-right.)
>>
>> Are you no good with sarcasm?
>
> Apparently I'm better at it than you are at reading comprehension.
That's two seperate subjects in one sentence; sarcasm and reading
comprehension(?)
>
>> I guess US humour really is different to the real world's.
>
> And speaking of Trolls.
That wasn't my intention.
Regards,
Greg.P.
Greg.Procter
> On Jun 15, 9:50ï¿œpm, "LD" <lobby.dos...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> I think "buck and wing" is pretty local to the US.
>
> Shouldn't matter: it took Google only 0.15 seconds to find 174,000
> returns for "buck and wing". Besides, who needs Google to understand
> the point of a terrible pun such as "with friends like you, who needs
> enemas"?
Googling doesn't get those of us not aware of your intended meaning
to where you attempt to take us.
How should I be supposed to know what you intend by those terms???
The "enema" pun was fine - sorry to hear your constipation is not clearing
up.
>
>> And also pretty Old.
>
> Time to throw out every reference that's over 50 years old then?
>
> No more steam engines, guys.
--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
LD
> And also pretty Old.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Not everyone is as old as you.
Twibil
> "Twibil" <nowayjo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
So? Not everyone is distainful of references that aren't right up-to-
the-minute, either.
You know: the folks who value literature over twitters, music over
rap, the Greek philosophers over Mister Spock, and history over
transitory fads.
Greg.Procter
> And you have just proven that you *can't* comprehend written English...
>
Twibil first refered to "it", that being the subject she was responding to,
and then added a new subject at the end of her sentence.
I understand English very well, but it would appear that you are (on
this occassion at least) incapable of comprehending basic written English.
Regards,
Greg.P.
LD
====================================================
You've got a couple meters broken ...,
Greg.Procter
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:31:45 +1200, "Greg.Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:48:02 +1200, Spender <Spe...@Mars.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:18:43 +1200, "Greg.Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:23:30 +1200, Twibil <noway...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently I'm better at it than you are at reading comprehension.
>>>>
>>>> That's two seperate subjects in one sentence; sarcasm and reading
>>>> comprehension(?)
>>>
>>> And you have just proven that you *can't* comprehend written English...
>>>
>>
>> Twibil first refered to "it", that being the subject she was responding
>> to,
>> and then added a new subject at the end of her sentence.
>> I understand English very well, but it would appear that you are (on
>> this occassion at least) incapable of comprehending basic written
>> English.
>
> Wow, you still can't make sense of a very simple sentence. Try these
> examples:
>
> "I'm better at basketball than you are at football."
> "I'm a better doctor than you are a lawyer."
>
> Both make perfect sense if English is your first language.
Exactly how can one make a comparison between sarcasm, which requires
comprehension of basic written English, and comprehension of basic
written English?
<sheesh>
Twibil
>
> Twibil first refered to "it", that being the subject she was responding to,
> and then added a new subject at the end of her sentence.
BU-AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! And *he* claims to be the one who understands
everything!
Classic "whoosh".
Twibil
If you intended irony, you failed. "Not everyone is as old as you"
isn't an ironic phrase because I *am* old, and it's perfectly *true*
that not everyone is as old as I am.
But "irony" means "The use of words to convey the opposite of their
literal meaning; a statement or situation where the meaning is
contradicted by the appearance or presentation of the idea.", and
there was no implication that you actually meant the opposite of what
you posted.
Twibil
>
> >Exactly how can one make a comparison between sarcasm, which requires
> >comprehension of basic written English, and comprehension of basic
> >written English?
> ><sheesh>
>
> disability.
It's unwillingness.
Wolf K
(1) Apparently I'm better at it than you are at reading comprehension.
(2) That's two separate subjects in one sentence; sarcasm and reading
[...]
OK, class, here beginneth the grammar lesson. ;-)
Sentence (1) is a well-formed English sentence. Whoever wrote (2) is
confused - not surprising, since he was certainly subjected to the mess
that passes for "grammar" in English-speaking schools.
Sentence (1) consists of two clauses linked by a conjunction. The
parsing (in phrasal grammar) is:
Adverb, [Subject - Complement(Verb - Object<Preposition - Nominal>)]
+(Comparator) - [Subject - Complement(Verb - Object<Preposition -
Nominal>)].
The Verb is of the form <Be + Nominal>. Nominals are "nouns",
"pronouns", "adjectives" and "gerunds" in traditional school grammars.
In the second clause, the Nominal is omitted, to avoid repetition.
There are other grammars that describe English accurately, but I prefer
this one, as it's easiest to learn.
Forget the "grammar" you learned in grade school - it does not describe
English. It's the result of a 16th century schoolteacher's mistaken
notion that English is a species of Latin.
Harrumph.
I promise not to subject you to a proper grammar if you promise to stop
critiquing each other's use of English. If you can't make sense of what
someone wrote, say so, and offer (politely) what you think was intended.
Our aim should clear (and with luck, entertaining) communication.
Got that?
Good.
cheers,
wolf k.
David Nebenzahl
Bingo. AKA obtuseness. Willful "misunderstanding".
--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism
Greg.Procter
Wolf, old idiot, the item under discussion was the exchange which took
place _before_ the sentence you have defined as "[1]".
Twibil claimed that her use of US slang could have it's meaning illuminated
by simply Googling the slang terms. I attempted to point out that one would
have to recognise that the terms were actually foreign slang and were not
intended literally, both "buck" and "wing" having several non-foreign-slang
meanings which she may well have intended.
You may well consider that English is not a species of Latin, but I would
suggest to you that yank english is no longer a species of English.
Regards,
Greg.P.
Greg.Procter
> On Jun 17, 2:31ï¿œpm, "Greg.Procter" <proc...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>> Twibil first refered to "it", that being the subject she was responding
>> to,
>> ￜ and then added a new subject at the end of her sentence.
>
> BU-AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! And *he* claims to be the one who understands
> everything!
>
> Classic "whoosh".
I do not claim to understand "everything". I certainly wouldn't claim
to understand incomprehensible people such as you.
Your claim is your very own "whoosh".
Regards,
Greg.P.
Greg.Procter
<nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
> On 6/18/2009 12:03 AM Twibil spake thus:
>
>> On Jun 17, 9:17 pm, Spender <Spen...@Mars.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Exactly how can one make a comparison between sarcasm, which
>>>> requires comprehension of basic written English, and
>>>> comprehension of basic written English? <sheesh>
>>>
>>> Jebus, you are slow. That isn't just poor reading, it's a
>>> developmental disability.
>> It's unwillingness.
>
> Bingo. AKA obtuseness. Willful "misunderstanding".
>
It is the writer's responsibility to make his or her meaning clear, when
putting his or her view into text. As the reader I may take whatever
meaning I see from that text.
Regards,
Greg.P.
LD
news:op.uvqpiu2lt7a1n0@promodel-5a9821...
And "buck and wing" is no longer a species of Contemporary Yank English. ;o)
Greg.Procter
As I was largely unaware that they ever were (exception: buck = dollar)
it's no great loss to me that they are no longer contemporary there.
Regards,
Greg.P.
(what's you current PC term for Negros?)
Twibil
>
> >> Twibil first refered to "it", that being the subject she was responding
> >> to,
>
> > BU-AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! And *he* claims to be the one who understands
> > everything!
>
> > Classic "whoosh".
>
> I do not claim to understand "everything". I certainly wouldn't claim
> to understand incomprehensible people such as you.
> Your claim is your very own "whoosh".
No, Poopsie, the "whoosh" is that you not only fail to understand what
others have said, but that you also completely fail to comprehend what
you've said about yourself. But follow the bouncing ball, and I shall
demonstrate:
(A) You don't like me, but you lacked anything cogent to say and so
resorted to the good old Ad Hominem insult by repeatedly calling me
"she" and "her".
(B) This is about what we've come to expect of you, and using ad
hominem arguments generally only makes the guy who uses them look bad,
but even that pales next to the suicidal path you chose to take:
implying that I'm a "she".
(C) Ya see, you would't have said that unless you thought it was an
insult, and *that* tells us exactly how you think about women: as
inferiors that any man should be ashamed to be associated with. If you
*didn't* think of them that way it wouldn't have been an effective
insult, and that was quite obviously what you intended. It's the
sexual equivalent of calling someone a "nigger".
(D) The word we're looking for here is "misogynist" ["a misanthrope
who dislikes women in particular"], and it is *not* a complimentary
term, any more than are "racist" or "bigot".
(E) It's 2009, and most of the non-muslim world has long accepted that
women are not our inferiors, and are indeed frequently fun to be
around for reasons other than rough sex or being fed non-frozen and
non-canned food on a regular basis. (I'm told that some guys have even
grown to *like* them!)
(Aside) I was once engaged to a lovely young New Zealand girl, and
before taking me home to meet her parents she cautioned me to "Set
your watch back 30 years when we get off of the plane". Turned out
she was right.
But in your personal case, I suspect that you're going to need a
really healthy time-machine to shoot you back to that place much-
beloved of insecure males: the place where "men were men", females
were considered inherently inferior, and guys like you were run-of-the-
mill citizens instead of being considered pathetic losers, as you are
today.
Twibil
>
> And "buck and wing" is no longer a species of Contemporary Yank English.
Let's see: it's been used here a number of times in just the last few
days which means......yes.......that's right: it's perfectly
contemporary.
(That *is* what "contemporary" means, you know...)
LD
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Not really ...
Greg.Procter
> On Jun 18, 2:50ï¿œpm, "Greg.Procter" <proc...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>> >> Twibil first refered to "it", that being the subject she was
>> responding ￜ
>> >> to,
>> >> ￜ and then added a new subject at the end of her sentence.
>>
>> > BU-AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! ï¿œAnd *he* claims to be the one who understands
>> > everything!
>>
>> > Classic "whoosh".
>>
>> I do not claim to understand "everything". I certainly wouldn't claim
>> to understand incomprehensible people such as you.
>> Your claim is your very own "whoosh".
>
> No, Poopsie, the "whoosh" is that you not only fail to understand what
> others have said, but that you also completely fail to comprehend what
> you've said about yourself. But follow the bouncing ball, and I shall
> demonstrate:
>
> (A) You don't like me, but you lacked anything cogent to say and so
> resorted to the good old Ad Hominem insult by repeatedly calling me
> "she" and "her".
Actually, it was you who responded to my comment in regards to Ray with a
put-down.
"Twibil" sounds to me like a feminine name.
>
> (B) This is about what we've come to expect of you, and using ad
> hominem arguments generally only makes the guy who uses them look bad,
> but even that pales next to the suicidal path you chose to take:
> implying that I'm a "she".
Did you fail to notice that I used "he or she" numerous times?
Yes, you would fail to notice that.
>
> (C) Ya see, you would't have said that unless you thought it was an
> insult, and *that* tells us exactly how you think about women: as
> inferiors that any man should be ashamed to be associated with. If you
> *didn't* think of them that way it wouldn't have been an effective
> insult, and that was quite obviously what you intended. It's the
> sexual equivalent of calling someone a "nigger".
I assumed "Twibil" to be a name for a female, hust as I would "Sue" or
"Marion".
There was _no_ insult intended or implied. Obviously, as you've taken
_three_
points (A, B and C) you consider being judged a female to be inferior and
an
equivalent to being called a "nigger". So you're both a sexist and a
racist.
Hmmm.
>
> (D) The word we're looking for here is "misogynist" ["a misanthrope
> who dislikes women in particular"], and it is *not* a complimentary
> term, any more than are "racist" or "bigot".
Four points!
>
> (E) It's 2009, and most of the non-muslim world has long accepted that
> women are not our inferiors, and are indeed frequently fun to be
> around for reasons other than rough sex or being fed non-frozen and
> non-canned food on a regular basis. (I'm told that some guys have even
> grown to *like* them!)
Hmm, now you're a religeous bigot as well!
For your information, the Koran specifically states that men and women are
equals,
while the Bible demands that they are not equals.
<sigh>
>
> (Aside) I was once engaged to a lovely young New Zealand girl, and
> before taking me home to meet her parents she cautioned me to "Set
> your watch back 30 years when we get off of the plane". Turned out
> she was right.
That would put you yanks back talking about niggers and women staying
barefoot in the kitchen while pregnant.
Here in New Zealand women gained the vote and equality in (from memory)
1892.
Our "niggers" gained equality in 1840.
Obviously you still haven't spotted her sarcasim.
>
> But in your personal case, I suspect that you're going to need a
> really healthy time-machine to shoot you back to that place much-
> beloved of insecure males: the place where "men were men", females
> were considered inherently inferior, and guys like you were run-of-the-
> mill citizens instead of being considered pathetic losers, as you are
> today.
So, have you decided yet which gender you are?
Regards,
Greg.P.
Greg.Procter
> Good thing you aren't a professor of literature...
> I can see your dissertation... "Bare bodkins? Fardels? This Shakespeare
> dude was an idiot!"
Shakespeare wrote plays intended for immediate performance.
<sheesh>
David Nebenzahl
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:23:01 +1200, Twibil <noway...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> (C) Ya see, you would't have said that unless you thought it was an
>> insult, and *that* tells us exactly how you think about women: as
>> inferiors that any man should be ashamed to be associated with.
>
> I assumed "Twibil" to be a name for a female, hust as I would "Sue" or
> "Marion".
You assumed "Twibil" was a *name*? Really? And a feminine one at that?
If so, you're clearly the stupidest one in this discussion. (Either
that, or NZers have *really* weird names for their kids.)
It's obviously a Usenet "handle", not a name.
Twibil
>
> Let's see: it's been used here a number of times in just the last few
> days which means......yes.......that's right: it's perfectly
> contemporary.
>
> (That *is* what "contemporary" means, you know...)
>
>
> Not really ...
Bets?
con·tem·po·rar·y:
adj.
1. Belonging to the same period of time: a fact documented by two
contemporary sources.
2. Of about the same age.
3. Current; modern.
Note #3 and bite your tongue.
(Besides; how can you deny it? That's exactly how *you* were using the
word, silly person!)
Twibil
>
> "Twibil" sounds to me like a feminine name.
Sure it did. And of *course* you've never heard of Googling a strange
word before, you poor ignorant thing...
twibill definition
twi·bill or twibil twi′·bil′ (twī′bil′)
noun
1. a double-bladed battle-ax
2. Brit., Dialectal a kind of mattock
> Did you fail to notice that I used "he or she" numerous times?
> Yes, you would fail to notice that.
Liar. This is your exact wording: " Twibil first refered to "it", that
being the subject she was responding to,
and then added a new subject at the end of her sentence. "
There is no "he" or "he or she" in evidence. Not in that entire post.
> I assumed "Twibil" to be a name for a female, hust as I would "Sue" or
> "Marion".
> There was _no_ insult intended or implied. Obviously, as you've taken
> _three_
> points (A, B and C) you consider being judged a female to be inferior and
> an
> equivalent to being called a "nigger". So you're both a sexist and a
> racist.
> Hmmm.
Oldest trick in the book. "You caught me doing something stupid and
called me on it so *you* must be guilty of the same thing or you
wouldn't have noticed."
Doesn't fly when the White Power/Stormfront assholes try it, and
doesn't fly for you either.
> > (D) The word we're looking for here is "misogynist" ["a misanthrope
> > who dislikes women in particular"], and it is *not* a complimentary
> > term, any more than are "racist" or "bigot".
>
> Four points!
? Are you raving? (Okay, silly question.)
> > (E) It's 2009, and most of the non-muslim world has long accepted that
> > women are not our inferiors, and are indeed frequently fun to be
> > around for reasons other than rough sex or being fed non-frozen and
> > non-canned food on a regular basis. (I'm told that some guys have even
> > grown to *like* them!)
>
> Hmm, now you're a religeous bigot as well!
Oh. My. God.
The little prick thinks that nobody reads the papers or knows anything
about Fundie Islamists and how they treat women.
> For your information, the Koran specifically states that men and women are
> equals, while the Bible demands that they are not equals.
> <sigh>
Yeah, "sigh". Now tell us how women are actually treated in Christian
countries as opposed to say, Afghanistan or Nothern Pakistan, where
women are regularly killed for the crime of learning how to read. Or
perhaps you'd prefer Saudi Arabia and varous other locales where
they're simply kept in reasonably comfortable slavery for their entire
lives?
Seems Muslim Fundies define "equality" a bit differently than
civilised folks.
> > (Aside) I was once engaged to a lovely young New Zealand girl, and
> > before taking me home to meet her parents she cautioned me to "Set
> > your watch back 30 years when we get off of the plane". Turned out
> > she was right.
>
> That would put you yanks back talking about niggers and women staying
> barefoot in the kitchen while pregnant.
> Here in New Zealand women gained the vote and equality in (from memory)
> 1892.
Uh-huh. She *left* New Zealand because if she'd stayed there rather
than emigrating to US she could have -in her words- been a teacher, a
librarian, a secretary, or somebody's stay-at-home wife.
> Obviously you still haven't spotted her sarcasim.
There wasn't any. She came back to the US and last I heard was high in
the management of a large department store chain: something she'd have
had no chance of doing in New Zealand.
> > But in your personal case, I suspect that you're going to need a
> > really healthy time-machine to shoot you back to that place much-
> > beloved of insecure males: the place where "men were men", females
> > were considered inherently inferior, and guys like you were run-of-the-
> > mill citizens instead of being considered pathetic losers, as you are
> > today.
>
> So, have you decided yet which gender you are?
And once again he demonstrates what he just claimed wasn't true.
Twibil
>
> > Good thing you aren't a professor of literature...
> > I can see your dissertation... "Bare bodkins? Fardels? This Shakespeare
> > dude was an idiot!"
>
> Shakespeare wrote plays intended for immediate performance.
> <sheesh>
Yes, and we *all* know that Shakspur's plays are no longer
performed...
Consigned to the dust-bin of history...
Forgotten...
(Snork, chuckle, titter, guffaw, chortle, snicker, choke.)
LD
Bets?
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The phrase is neither current nor modern.
Greg.Procter
That was his expectation, so we are told by better brains than yours.
Greg.Procter
You mean like "David Nebenzahl" or "Greg.P."
Excellent point!
Greg.Procter
> On Jun 19, 4:47 pm, "Greg.Procter" <proc...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>> "Twibil" sounds to me like a feminine name.
>
> Sure it did. And of *course* you've never heard of Googling a strange
> word before, you poor ignorant thing...
>
> twibill definition
>
> twi·bill or twibil twi′·bil′ (twī′bil′)
>
> noun
>
> 1. a double-bladed battle-ax
> 2. Brit., Dialectal a kind of mattock
Hmmmm, so it IS a name!
Glad we sorted that one.
>
>> Did you fail to notice that I used "he or she" numerous times?
>> Yes, you would fail to notice that.
>
> Liar. This is your exact wording: " Twibil first refered to "it", that
> being the subject she was responding to,
> and then added a new subject at the end of her sentence. "
You're calling me a liar because you can find one of my postings where I
_didn't_
use "he/she"?
<sheesh>
>
> There is no "he" or "he or she" in evidence. Not in that entire post.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
You'd need to show that I _never_ used "he/she" or variations in _any_ of
my posts and never had any intentions of doing so to show that I was a
liar.
>
>> I assumed "Twibil" to be a name for a female, hust as I would "Sue" or
>> "Marion".
>> There was _no_ insult intended or implied. Obviously, as you've taken
>> _three_
>> points (A, B and C) you consider being judged a female to be inferior
>> and
>> an
>> equivalent to being called a "nigger". So you're both a sexist and a
>> racist.
>> Hmmm.
>
> Oldest trick in the book. "You caught me doing something stupid and
> called me on it so *you* must be guilty of the same thing or you
> wouldn't have noticed."
It appears to me that you are excessively upset over being called "she".
Would you have been equally upset if I had said "he"?
I think we've identified the person here with the sexist tendencies!
>
> Doesn't fly when the White Power/Stormfront assholes try it, and
> doesn't fly for you either.
"White Power/Stormfront"??? I think we've identified the racist as well!
>
>> > (D) The word we're looking for here is "misogynist" ["a misanthrope
>> > who dislikes women in particular"], and it is *not* a complimentary
>> > term, any more than are "racist" or "bigot".
>>
>> Four points!
>
> ? Are you raving? (Okay, silly question.)
No, merely counting the number of points put forward by the person intent
on demonstrating his/her extreme sexism.
>
>> > (E) It's 2009, and most of the non-muslim world has long accepted that
>> > women are not our inferiors, and are indeed frequently fun to be
>> > around for reasons other than rough sex or being fed non-frozen and
>> > non-canned food on a regular basis. (I'm told that some guys have even
>> > grown to *like* them!)
>>
>> Hmm, now you're a religeous bigot as well!
>
> Oh. My. God.
Great demonstration!
>
> The little prick thinks that nobody reads the papers or knows anything
> about Fundie Islamists and how they treat women.
Are you suggesting that Christians aren't sexist?
>
>> For your information, the Koran specifically states that men and women
>> are
>> equals, while the Bible demands that they are not equals.
>> <sigh>
>
> Yeah, "sigh". Now tell us how women are actually treated in Christian
> countries as opposed to say, Afghanistan or Nothern Pakistan, where
> women are regularly killed for the crime of learning how to read. Or
> perhaps you'd prefer Saudi Arabia and varous other locales where
> they're simply kept in reasonably comfortable slavery for their entire
> lives?
So when did women in the USa get the vote? Equal pay?
>
> Seems Muslim Fundies define "equality" a bit differently than
> civilised folks.
Civilization in Muslim countries has been around for c8,000 years, USa,
perhaps 25-30 years.
>
>> > (Aside) I was once engaged to a lovely young New Zealand girl, and
>> > before taking me home to meet her parents she cautioned me to "Set
>> > your watch back 30 years when we get off of the plane". Turned out
>> > she was right.
>>
>> That would put you yanks back talking about niggers and women staying
>> barefoot in the kitchen while pregnant.
>> Here in New Zealand women gained the vote and equality in (from memory)
>> 1892.
>
> Uh-huh. She *left* New Zealand because if she'd stayed there rather
> than emigrating to US she could have -in her words- been a teacher, a
> librarian, a secretary, or somebody's stay-at-home wife.
How many centuries ago was that?
>
>> Obviously you still haven't spotted her sarcasim.
>
> There wasn't any. She came back to the US and last I heard was high in
> the management of a large department store chain: something she'd have
> had no chance of doing in New Zealand.
What planet are you on??? We had a female Prime Minister for the last
9 years. We have numerous heads of Government Departments who are female
and numerous female CEOs etc. We're way ahead of the USa on such matters.
<sheesh>
>
>> > But in your personal case, I suspect that you're going to need a
>> > really healthy time-machine to shoot you back to that place much-
>> > beloved of insecure males: the place where "men were men", females
>> > were considered inherently inferior, and guys like you were
>> run-of-the-
>> > mill citizens instead of being considered pathetic losers, as you are
>> > today.
>>
>> So, have you decided yet which gender you are?
>
> And once again he demonstrates what he just claimed wasn't true.
Did you post a picture of your testies somewhere? How should I know your
gender
other than by the name you post under?
Twibil
>
> The phrase is neither current nor modern.
Alas, despite your egalitarian ideals, I think I shall continue to
write as I wish, rather than writing down to your level so as to make
you more comfortable.
Now: If at some point you should ever find yourself sitting in an
office with the word "EDITOR" printed on the door, and you discover a
manuscript of mine sitting on your desk, you'll be more than welcome
to make suggestions.
But up until then, I fear I'll have to use my background as a writer
as a basis for deciding what to say and how to say it, rather then
relying upon your qualifications as a volunteer net-nanny.
Thanks, but no thanks.
a_a_a
> Civilization in Muslim countries has been around for c8,000 years, USa,
> perhaps 25-30 years.
Civilisation in the USA in the last 25-30 years? That was probably when
it ceased, not when it began.
the OTHER Mike
wow, I enjoyed that, but being the simple person I am, I'd just say F
Y :-)
Krypsis
<snip>
> Civilization in Muslim countries has been around for c8,000 years, USa,
> perhaps 25-30 years.
>
so years. Civilisation there ended when Islam took over.
On the other hand, the USA inherited its civilisation from all those
countries from whence its population came. A veritable melting pot.
Therefore, it would be quite fair to say that the origins of the
civilisation of the USA goes back 8,000 years or more.
Krypsis
<snip>
Wolf K
> Greg.Procter wrote:
> <snip>
>> Civilization in Muslim countries has been around for c8,000 years, USa,
>> perhaps 25-30 years.
>>
> Civilisation has been denied to Islamic countries for the past 1500 or
> so years. Civilisation there ended when Islam took over.
On the contrary, for the first 5-6 centuries after Islam became the
dominant religion in the Middle East, Islamic culture thrived, and
geopolitically Islam expanded. Muslin culture preserved and built on
Greek science, philosophy, and especially mathematics. Muslim scholars
preserved and transmitted Greek (and to a lesser extent Roman) culture
to Western Europe. They enlarged and widened the philosophical reach of
Islam, and emphasised Mohammed's teachings on ethics and social justice.
Etc.
Muslim culture began a slow and steady decline after the defeat of the
Turkish armies at Vienna in 1630 (IIRC the date). The Moors (North
African Muslims) had already been pushed out of Spain. The military and
commercial rise of Western Europe changed the focus of the Muslim world
from expansion and growth to defense and preservation. That's what
caused the regression to the narrow, fundamentalist version of Islam
that we see in too many parts of the Muslim world.
cheers,
wolf k.
Krypsis
<snip>
>> That would put you yanks back talking about niggers and women staying
>> barefoot in the kitchen while pregnant.
>> Here in New Zealand women gained the vote and equality in (from memory)
>> 1892.
>
> Uh-huh. She *left* New Zealand because if she'd stayed there rather
> than emigrating to US she could have -in her words- been a teacher, a
> librarian, a secretary, or somebody's stay-at-home wife.
There is something wrong with a career in teaching, librarianship or
even looking after ones own children? Your career is made worthy by the
achievements you will be remembered for, not how much money you make nor
the height you climb in management.
>
>> Obviously you still haven't spotted her sarcasim.
>
> There wasn't any. She came back to the US and last I heard was high in
> the management of a large department store chain: something she'd have
> had no chance of doing in New Zealand.
>
Since when has being "high in the management of a large department store
chain" been equated to a pinnacle of achievement?
I can't recall most of the senior management people I've seen come and
go in my 70+ years and I've been in management myself for over 40 years.
On the other hand, I still remember the local librarian in my home town.
I recently phoned the now very senior lady and was surprised that she
still remembered me after an absence from the district of at least 50
years. She would have to be in her 90's now, a lovely lady then and
still a lovely lady now. Without people like her guiding me on my career
path, I might not have reached my pinnacle of achievement.
Krypsis
<snip>
Steve Caple
> Civilisation has been denied to Islamic countries for the past 1500 or
> so years. Civilisation there ended when Islam took over.
Oh? The liberal muslims who came to the Iberian peninsula (there was no
"Spain" then) in AD 700 brought a sophisticated, scientific and relatively
religiously tolerant true civilization to an area ruled by local gothic
chieftains about as cultured as your local motorcycle gang. The muslim
rulers in Andalusia were miles more cultured and tolerant than any of the
jumped up warlords ruling the rest of Europe or Britain. Now later they
were overthrown by some fundamentalist fuckheads out of North Africa, who
brought the situation for the most part back to where it had been, and
where it would be in spades under those paragons of Christianity who
brought the world the expulsion of Jews and Moors, and that institution
beloved of fundamentalist fuckheads everywhere, the Spanish Inquisition.
THOSE assholes even managed to fuck up 16th century Italy.
Of course, as a fundamentalist fuckhead yourself, I'm sure you prefer
"truth" over tolerance, but don't fucking imagine that your sort represent
civilization, or that your "truth" is anything more than indoctrination and
blind faith.
Islamic, Hindu, Jewish, Christian, Burmese or Sri Lankan Buddhist, or self
labeled "Christians", fundamentalist fuckheads of your sort are the bane of
civilization all over the world. Your combination of arrogance, ignorance
and hatred brought us the slaughters that gave rise to those t-shirts
beloved of pimply faced rambo wannabes and chickenhawk patriots that say
"Kill 'Em All And Let God Sort 'Em Out" - the trailer trash translation
of "Tuez-les tous, Dieu reconnaitra les siens."*
* If, despite evidence to the contrary, you are curious, do a Google search
for Arnaud Amaury or for the siege of Beziers.
--
Steve
Anyone seriously using the word "heretic" should themselves be burned at
the stake.
Larry Blanchard
> They enlarged and widened the philosophical reach of Islam, and
> emphasised Mohammed's teachings on ethics and social justice. Etc.
Sometimes they "emphasized" them with a sword :-).
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
the OTHER Mike
clueless I am about history.........................
Good Lord I didn't realize just how ignorant I am
Rick Jones
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:32:17 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
>
>> They enlarged and widened the philosophical reach of Islam, and
>> emphasised Mohammed's teachings on ethics and social justice. Etc.
>
> Sometimes they "emphasized" them with a sword :-).
Seems to be a common MO with the followers of many religions.
--
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Greg.Procter
You seem like a person I'd rather not offend, but from the outside I'd have
to question when civilization ever existed in the US?
- was it while yanks were wiping out the natives?
- in the slavery years?
- your civil war?
- gold rush era?
- abolistion decades?
- your depression?
- while ignoring World War?
- while profiteering from WW?
- McCarthy era?
- Black civil rights era?
- Attacking/invading other nations? (c1900-2009)
- Nixon era?
- Bush era?
Regards,
Greg.P.
Greg.Procter
<krypsisR...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> Greg.Procter wrote:
> <snip>
>> Civilization in Muslim countries has been around for c8,000 years, USa,
>> perhaps 25-30 years.
>>
> Civilisation has been denied to Islamic countries for the past 1500 or
> so years. Civilisation there ended when Islam took over.
Perhaps your concept of civilization is different to mine?
>
> On the other hand, the USA inherited its civilisation from all those
> countries from whence its population came. A veritable melting pot.
>
Sure, England 1640-1776, Germany, Italy, Russia ...
<sheesh>
> Therefore, it would be quite fair to say that the origins of the
> civilisation of the USA goes back 8,000 years or more.
You'd have to go that far back to identify any.
Greg.P.
Greg.Procter
wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:32:17 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
>
>> They enlarged and widened the philosophical reach of Islam, and
>> emphasised Mohammed's teachings on ethics and social justice. Etc.
>
> Sometimes they "emphasized" them with a sword :-).
>
Sure - my "umpteen Greats" grandfather was hung, drawn and quartered
during the English civil war by Cromwell and his son escaped to America.
It's only my opinion, but he may well have prefered a sword.
Twenty generations back one of my ancestors lead a crusade to oppress the
nasty Arabs in Jerusalem.
Greg.Procter
wrote:
> I'd like to thank all of you who have helped me better understand how
> clueless I am about history.........................
>
> Good Lord I didn't realize just how ignorant I am
Just stay with slaughtering nasty commies who want rice and self-
determination. (AKA take over the World)
Greg.P.
(didn't this used to be a model rail forum?)
Greg.Procter
I think Twibil was attempting a put-down of New Zealand by suggesting that
the USa was ahead of us in allowing women equal opportunities with men.
Never mind facts like NZ being the first democratic country in the modern
world to give women the vote, that women here took overmen's factory jobs
during WWII before the US noticed there was a war, that 10 years ago we
elected our second woman Prime Minister ... (I could go on and on ...)
Regards,
Greg.P.
Ray Haddad
<pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:22:57 +1200, a_a_a <a...@a.a.net> wrote:
>
>> Greg.Procter wrote:
>>
>>> Civilization in Muslim countries has been around for c8,000 years, USa,
>>> perhaps 25-30 years.
>>
>> Civilisation in the USA in the last 25-30 years? That was probably when
>> it ceased, not when it began.
>
>You seem like a person I'd rather not offend, but from the outside I'd have
>to question when civilization ever existed in the US?
>- was it while yanks were wiping out the natives?
You Kiwis had your share of this.
>- in the slavery years?
And this.
>- your civil war?
>- gold rush era?
And this.
>- abolistion decades?
>- your depression?
>- while ignoring World War?
Disbanding your armed forces? Shame on you.
>- while profiteering from WW?
Who didn't? Don't even try to tell me NZ didn't.
>- McCarthy era?
>- Black civil rights era?
When you have yours, let us know.
>- Attacking/invading other nations? (c1900-2009)
>- Nixon era?
>- Bush era?
<cough> Helen Clarke era <cough>
--
Ray