Had a multiple opponent encounter Friday night
and drain deez nuts
Woo hoo.
Anyway, here's the details - was out with a friend of mine at a club in DC.
We're done and it's taking forever to get the buddy's Benz out of the garage,
so he's cursing and bitching at the attendant. I tell him to stop, calm down.
He was drunk; I was lit. So, in a moment of anger, he slams his hand down on
some dude's Expedition that was parked there. Later, the owner comes back and
he's a black guy weighing about 250lbs of bodybuilder bulk at probably 5'9 and
his friend with him looks to run about 190 or 195 and is maybe a little taller.
So, the attendant settles his beef by saying "that guy over there hit your
car." Needless to say, both of these fools went right after him, got up in his
face, were yelling, posturing, etc.
Here's where things get ugly. My friend won't keep his mouth shut. He's
talking back, talking shit, cursing at these two negroes who are obviously
looking to fight. I'm standing to the side of them on about 10 on the mellowed
out scale, not looking to do shit, just get the hell out of there before this
gets ugly. But, my guy won't shut up. So, they freakin start smacking him,
hit him a couple times, get him down and shit like that. So, I intervened
essentially to try to make peace and of course, they both come after me. My
goal is to get them off of him, no more no less, and so I retreat tactically
but take a shot from the littler one on the cheek. Shit was happening way too
fast for my physical condition. For now, the action is over. My dude beats a
retreat across the street and these guys start talking shit to him from our
side of the street. I'm thinking of taking a flanking shot at the guy who hit
me and am moving in his direction. My buddy is across the street, safe for
now.
So, what does he do? He starts talking back to them. They run across the
street after him and I am, at this point, wondering if I should just let him
get his fucking ass kicked. But, being the good friend that I am, I trudge
across to help. Once they see me coming up, they disengage from kicking him in
the head and come after me. I was backing up because, shit, I couldn't much
see totally straight, and the littler guy starts trying to take swings. I duck
and cover on him, but slipped on the street due to the clinch shoving and the
fact that he had sneakers and I was in dress shoes. So, from my knees, I tied
up his legs as he was trying to kick me and worked my way to his lapels. He
was unable to hit me but his buddy immediately began running around to my head
to try to kick me. So, I put a modified spider guard out there and spun to N/S
on the first one and used my legs to block the big guy and to hold distance
with him. The other guy couldn't do shit because my head was covered in his
chest between my arms and I had him pulled onto me as a shield. After 10 or so
seconds of them getting nowhere, they disengaged and I let the guy go. No
further attack ensued.
I learned a few things from this:
1) don't go out with people who don't know when to keep their mouths shut. Had
he simply walked away or talked away, this shit wouldn't have happened.
2) fighting while high is hard to do. I literally did not have sufficient
reaction time nor could I generate the power to do much damage in a fist fight.
These guys swung wildly and did not hit particularly hard. I took a square
shot on the face and was unfazed by it, except for some soreness the next day.
3) Jiu Jitsu works. Period. Without the knowledge on how to use guard, even in
a sport JJ class, this would have been really ugly. I came out with a ripped
shirt, my friend was close to getting sent to the hospital. And, I don't mean
Japanese JJ, I mean BJJ.
4) the ground is not a bad place to be in a multiple opponent encounter. I was
safer there, took less risk, less damage, than I did while upright, even
defending against 2 people who were much larger, faster, and more violent than
I was. When you have 450lbs of guys trying to swarm you in a fairly
coordinated fashion and you are not on 11 as far as violence goes, it is very
difficult to stay upright, and especially when you aren't dressed properly for
it. My shoes had no traction. So, I let the earth cover my back and let one
guy serve as a shield.
Streetfights are very fast and chaotic. If you're not ready and you don't have
a plan and you can't count on your people, avoid them. Had I been sober or in
fighting shape, I am fairly sure I could have taken both of these guys assuming
no one else jumped in for them. In retrospect, I probably should have attacked
immediately and gone for a collar choke, takedown to mount to rear naked, or a
kimura from guard, but I had to watch out for guy #2 and to attempt to get him
to stop beating the hell out of my friend. Had I had a JJ classmate with me,
we'd have won, no doubt, but I wasn't with one of those guys. These dudes
fought smart together, always getting 2 on 1, then when I showed up, going 2 on
1 against me, so that they always had numerical advantage. Fighting is about
initiative - they took it and we never got it back. I really wanted to
blindside the smaller guy after he hit me, but my friend could not keep his
mouth shut long enough for me to even start running at the damned guy. Oh
well. Anyone got any comments?
Trav
Chas
> .........Anyone got any comments?
Never get drunk, or too high to fight, if you're in public- you were
going to ride with this clown.
You're always with the one you're with- particularly if there's a
racial difference between opponents.
Yes, there's really a fight going on. Most people are surprised by
violence and lose the initiative.
bjj worked out of an already tight spot- going to the ground is not a
first choice.
If you fuck up someone's car, leave.
Glad to hear you're ok-
--
Chas Clements
casemaker 303-364-0403
ch...@kuntaosilat.net
http://www.kuntaosilat.com/
http://chasclements.tripod.com/index.htm
Chris Newton
> Anyone got any comments?
You were pretty lucky. You managed to keep them at bay for 10 seconds
and they gave up. All credit to you for using your skills to last that
long, though.
But sincerely, I'm glad you guys are OK.
Cheers,
Chris
Don Wagner
>These dudes fought smart together, always getting 2 on 1, then when I showed up, going 2 on
>1 against me, so that they always had numerical advantage. Fighting is about
>initiative - they took it and we never got it back. I really wanted to
>blindside the smaller guy after he hit me, but my friend could not keep his
>mouth shut long enough for me to even start running at the damned guy. Oh
>well. Anyone got any comments?
>
>Trav
They acted together well but didn't "fight" well per say.
Once you used one of them as a shield (definitely the right thing to
do at this time, with the situation you described) the guy that was
standing didn't alter his initial strategy of putting the boots to
you. He could have gotten down and dirty if he knew what he was
doing. Get in and imobilize you (legs, arms or head) in order to get
in head shots or a lock to a limb.
Initiative should never be overlooked. The only time I ever got hurt
was when I tried to be nice and not pop the goon the way I originally
wanted to.
Yes, friends who can't control themselves suck. Long ago I made the
decision not to go out to certain places with certain people. I've
never regretted this choice.
--Don--
Let me show you how the guards used to do it...
OverByte
nuts) wrote:
>
>I learned a few things from this:
>
>1) don't go out with people who don't know when to keep their mouths shut. Had
>he simply walked away or talked away, this shit wouldn't have happened.
>
Oh man. I learned this one a long time ago. The same happened to me.
--
[Happiness is a belt fed weapon!]
Grappler240
BJJ is the real deal, and you have proven it, yet again.
LOL at fighting high, that can't be easy. never been high, but i fought some
guys once when i was drunk as shit with some of my fraternity brothers and it
was damn hard. Gotta be close to being high.
> Fighting is about
>initiative - they took it and we never got it back
yep. fist fighting, or gun-fighting, all about initiative and resolve.
G240
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and drain deez nuts
Yes, they did not have good technique, per se, but knew how to work together.
>Once you used one of them as a shield (definitely the right thing to
>do at this time, with the situation you described) the guy that was
>standing didn't alter his initial strategy of putting the boots to
>you. He could have gotten down and dirty if he knew what he was
>doing. Get in and imobilize you (legs, arms or head) in order to get
>in head shots or a lock to a limb.
Had they known what they were doing, I would have been knocked out at the first
rush. I was in no shape to be dealing with anyone who really knew what they
were doing.
Short of that, had the big guy come into my closed guard, I would have been
entirely comfortable with that. These were not JJ experts or else the fight
would have been far more cerebral.
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>going to ride with this clown.
>You're always with the one y
Gee, that's a tall order there.
>You're always with the one you're with- particularly if there's a
>racial difference between opponents.
>Yes, there's real
Yep.
>bjj worked out of an already tight spot- going to the ground is not a
>first choice.
No, my first choice was to just shut the hell up and get the fuck out of there.
Barring that, I had to work to plan B.
>If you fuck up someone's car, leave.
Wasn't even a scratch on it. The shit was manufactured by the garage attendant
over his beef with my guy.
>Glad to hear you're ok-
>
>--
>Chas Clements
Thanks.
Trav
Graywolf
I can relate, but what sucks is when the other person doesn't even
know what's happening and it's a cold sudden shot in the face. And
think what the hell just happened to me. If you are going to do it,
stay and face the consequences don't run like a pussy...after the
damage is done. But you got to do what you got to do when you need to
protect yourself.
Coldblood
well trav, you didnt get too badly hurt, and your buddy lived. you were
wrecked, and he was drunk. all in all, you got off light. glad yer ok.
andrew
"Graywolf" <gray...@328.net> wrote in message
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Jim Clayman
>
> Trav
Yea, for a 2 vs 1 with you being blazed you did pretty well.
But i woulda gone for a wing chung hand trap followed by a groin punch
combo + bite to the vitals via Jim Carry in Dumb and Dumber.
Chas
>
> >going to ride with this clown.
> >You're always with the one y
> Gee, that's a tall order there.
I've got nothing against alcohol, although I don't drink more than a
beer or something with a specialty meal. I worked in bars/clubs for
years and never saw it do any good for anyone.
As a guy that's left a lot of unhappy people in my wake, I would never
get at all incapacitated in public- as a parent, never in private
either. Trouble comes when you're too fucked up to handle what never
would have happened otherwise.
> >bjj worked out of an already tight spot- going to the ground is not a
> >first choice.
> No, my first choice was to just shut the hell up and get the fuck out of there.
> Barring that, I had to work to plan B.
Hey, falling over and clutching him till the other one got tired is a
good plan- seemed to work just fine.
> Wasn't even a scratch on it. The shit was manufactured by the garage attendant
> over his beef with my guy.
Shit; I was with a guy one time that rammed a classic Jaguar. He got
pissed because he had to maneuver a bit to get his old lady's car out-
BAM! Oh, fucky doo-doo. I was stuck with the bastard because of other
circumstances, and the fucker just *trashed* this Jag.
Drunken bastard.
YENDOR 20
street after him and I am, at this point, wondering if I should just let him
get his fucking ass kicked.>>
YENDOR 20
Glad to hear you're ok->>
moron double parked his convertible alot closer than we parked.We were p'd off
about having to walk a long ways so we got revenge.We spit ALL OVER THE
WINDSHILED and inside the car.Actually maybe 5 hacks each.We went in with
nobody seeing us.On the way out we passed the car again and my friend wanted to
do it again.I said no let's just go.Quitting while ahead is good.We got about
10 feet past the car and heard all sorts of swearing.The four football players
behind us.It was one of their cars.LOL.We would have been killed.Glad we did it
though.People who double park deserve something like that.Just glad nobody
knew.
YENDOR 20
Yes, they did not have good technique, per se, but knew how to work together.
>>
They were not of pure stream.
YENDOR 20
one kid who was a few years older than me and atleast 50 pounds heavier.He quit
after about 5 minutes of me jabbing him in the face.Actually he quit because
his buddy did a flying side kick on my kidney.I hit them both at the same time
just like Bruce Lee would have done in a movie.I still hear about that
sometimes from my friends(Who did nothing to help even though it was there
fight)Then the big one quit.The other guy was a karate guy.He kicked me in the
head several times but had zero power.I kept nailing him in the head too so he
ended up going for a double leg which I pancaked on.Then the cops came and
everyone ran.It was in a mall parking lot.Not bad for using pretty much
straight boxing.
Robert Low
and drain deez nuts <trav...@aol.cominyrface> wrote:
>Hey, check this out, I was in an actual streetfight!
>well. Anyone got any comments?
You got out uninjured (a Very Good Thing). What more
can you ask for?
Since you're unhurt, I don't feel too bad about asking
how well your strategy would have worked if the two
guys had had an attack dog with them :-)
--
Rob. http://www.mis.coventry.ac.uk/~mtx014/
Richard Lancashire
> 1) don't go out with people who don't know when to keep their mouths shut. Had
> he simply walked away or talked away, this shit wouldn't have happened.
Spot on. It's bad enough being with people who walk around in La-la
land and aren't aware of the situation around them, without having
someone along to make it worse.
> 2) fighting while high is hard to do. I literally did not have sufficient
> reaction time nor could I generate the power to do much damage in a fist fight.
Never had the pleasure. But, given that, grappling's the way to go -
your reactions are shot, your power's gone, so going defensive and
controlling was a good choice (if choice is the right word).
> 4) the ground is not a bad place to be in a multiple opponent encounter.
I'd have preferred being in the car and driving away with my pal,
personally... :P
> When you have 450lbs of guys trying to swarm you in a fairly
> coordinated fashion and you are not on 11 as far as violence goes, it is very
> difficult to stay upright, and especially when you aren't dressed properly for
> it. My shoes had no traction. So, I let the earth cover my back and let one
> guy serve as a shield.
This is probably the key reason to learn groundfighting, for me - it
may not be the best position or strategy to be in in a bad situation,
but if you end up there then knowing what to do can make all the
difference. As it seemed to, for you.
> Fighting is about initiative - they took it and we never got it back.
It usually turns out that the person that commits first gets to
control the outcome. I don't know the law in the US, but here in the
UK you can (at least from a theoretical POV) throw a pre-emptive
strike if you believe you're in immediate danger of harm. Problem is,
with all the talking going on, you have to judge pretty precisely at
what point you can talk your way out and at what point you're being
set up.
Sounds like you did as good as can be hoped, apart from the shirt. You
didn't get seriously hurt, you didn't seriously hurt them and get
legal comeback. You stopped your friend from getting killed or
cabbaged - shame he got hurt, but "mouthy drunk" has never been the
safest hobby in the world.
Cheers
Rich
Kirk Lawson
> Anyone got any comments?
>
> Trav
Ditch your stupid friend or beat the crap outa him yourself.
Peace favor your sword (IH)
--
"In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or
knowledge of their use."
-Achille Marozzo, 1536
--
"...it's the nature of the media and the participants. A herd of martial
artists gets together and a fight breaks out; quelle surprise."
-Chas Speaking of rec.martial-arts
Kirk Lawson
>
> and drain deez nuts wrote:
> > .........Anyone got any comments?
>
> Never get drunk, or too high to fight, if you're in public-
Years ago in my misspent youth I was partying at a friends house and we
were all getting drunk (I'm not proud of it, but there it is). Anyway,
one of the guys knew I was a martial artist and started joking about
taking me out and getting into a fight. Well, I started taking stock of
my balance and reactions and realized that I'd get my butt kicked.
That was the last time I *ever* got drunk in public and I've pretty much
become a T-Totaller based on this alone. For me at least, alcohol just
runs me down too fast.
Maybe I just can't hold my liquor.
Jacob Andersen
news:3D340E50...@heapy.com...
> and drain deez nuts wrote:
>
> > Anyone got any comments?
> >
> > Trav
>
> Ditch your stupid friend or beat the crap outa him >yourself.
Maybe just never drink with this particular individual again? Some people
are idiots when drunk, so make it their own problem, and go with other
people, especially when drinking is involved.
/Jacob
Robert Low
>Maybe I just can't hold my liquor.
Personally, I've spent the last five years developing
an immunity to iocaine powder, just in case.
--
Rob. http://www.mis.coventry.ac.uk/~mtx014/
Kirk Lawson
Yup. But I've found that loyalty counts for quite a bit. Even if the
guy is an idiot.
Chas
> Yup. But I've found that loyalty counts for quite a bit. Even if the
> guy is an idiot.
Wait till it's a mouthy chick that starts the fight and signs you up
to finish it.
It doesn't even have to be 'Drunk Girl'. Lots of women want to see
some blood.
The choice comes down to fucking off a great piece of ass or taking
your lumps- they never pick anybody 'easy' <G>
Badger Jones
>Kirk Lawson wrote:
>> Yup. But I've found that loyalty counts for quite a bit. Even if the
>> guy is an idiot.
>
>Wait till it's a mouthy chick that starts the fight and signs you up
>to finish it.
>It doesn't even have to be 'Drunk Girl'. Lots of women want to see
>some blood.
Seen that, luckily not as a participant. Its a way for a woman to
make the guy she's with 'prove' his devotion.
Badger Jones
www.cyberus.ca/~badger
"I've come the conclusion that no story cannot be improved upon with a good
cratering." - Ted MacKinnon
and drain deez nuts
>LOL at fighting high, that can't be easy. never been high, but i fought some
>guys once when i was drunk as shit with some of my fraternity brothers and it
>was damn hard. Gotta be close to being high.
It's much harder on this shit than drunk. I take prescription narcotics, you
know, the same kinda shit that NFL players get addicted to. So, as I had drunk
the night before and didn't feel like drinking, I popped the little pink pill
and I was fucking lit up. But, the thing about narcos is that they chill you,
you get real, real mellow, and happy, and peaceful, and warm fuzzy feeling.
Not good for fighting. I couldn't even manufacture any aggression. It was
like being artificial Ghandi.
>yep. fist fighting, or gun-fighting, all about initiative and resolve.
>
>G240
>
You betcha.
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>can you ask for?
>
>Since you're unhurt, I don't feel too bad about asking
>how well your strategy would have worked if the two
>guys had had an attack dog with them :-)
>--
>Rob.
Hmm...my buddy probably looked tastier than me.
Trav
Grappler240
>know, the same kinda shit that NFL players get addicted to.
oxycodone?
> But, the thing about narcos is that they chill you,
>you get real, real mellow, and happy, and peaceful, and warm fuzzy feeling.
>Not good for fighting.
bet your ass was relaxed as all get out on the ground though...LOL.
great new way to relax while training...
> I couldn't even manufacture any aggression. It was
>like being artificial Ghandi.
maybe it brought out your true self.
diggum
Yeah, I gotta agree. If I were a parking attendant and two drunk
fucks were trying to get their car, I'd be delaying it as long as I
could, too. Why the hell should I be held responsible for you driving
your car around drunk? And if you got pissed at me for it and started
hitting other people's cars at random, you deserved to be brought to
the table for it. And you were going to ride passenger with your
blindly drunk friend?
That said, were I in your position, I would have gone back for the
fucking parking attendant once I was done with the two other guys.
hal
>and drain deez nuts wrote:
>
>> Anyone got any comments?
>>
>> Trav
>
>Ditch your stupid friend or beat the crap outa him yourself.
>
>Peace favor your sword (IH)
Wow. How's that for a yin and yang?
Ah, the duality of man.
Hal
OverByte
nuts) wrote:
I grappled in calss a few times while using vicodin(hydrocodone<sp>).
I did rather well, being so relaxed and all; however, as you've stated
above, i doubt it would help you to initiate any agression. Maybe
it's the individual though.
--
[Happiness is a belt fed weapon!]
Robert Low
and drain deez nuts <trav...@aol.cominyrface> wrote:
>>how well your strategy would have worked if the two
>>guys had had an attack dog with them :-)
You're probably all stringy and tough. Now, there's a
dog defence I bet nobody else has used.
--
Rob. http://www.mis.coventry.ac.uk/~mtx014/
Alan
> Hey, check this out, I was in an actual streetfight!
> Anyone got any comments?
First, well done for not getting completely spankered and, most
importantly, staying there to try to help your (now ex?-) friend.
I have a couple of questions, comments:
Do you think that being high:
1) relaxed you in that situation, and made your thoughts clear, or
were your thoughts racing at 1,000mph?
2) meant you didn't feel what might have been harder blows than they
seemed?
3) made the whole thing seem a nightmarish/can't put a shot together
experience, or when you moved, was it clean and fast?
also:
4) why do you think they didn't finish you both off? Did they get
bored, or were they unable?
5) do you think they were trained in any MA? and finally
6) did they wait their turn and were they out of synch like in a
*real* fight?
> Trav
rgds
alan
Steve Gombosi
and drain deez nuts <trav...@aol.cominyrface> wrote:
>fact that he had sneakers and I was in dress shoes. So, from my knees, I tied
>up his legs as he was trying to kick me and worked my way to his lapels. He
I'm surprised you didn't have opening for a couple of elbow shots on
the way up. I'm also surprised you didn't have an opening for a headbutt
once you got there. Perhaps I'm misreading what happened.
Of course, hindsight is always 20/20.
>was unable to hit me but his buddy immediately began running around to my head
>to try to kick me. So, I put a modified spider guard out there and spun to N/S
>on the first one and used my legs to block the big guy and to hold distance
>with him. The other guy couldn't do shit because my head was covered in his
>chest between my arms and I had him pulled onto me as a shield. After 10 or so
>seconds of them getting nowhere, they disengaged and I let the guy go. No
>further attack ensued.
>
>I learned a few things from this:
>
>1) don't go out with people who don't know when to keep their mouths shut. Had
>he simply walked away or talked away, this shit wouldn't have happened.
Yup. Many years ago, I was in the Officers' Club at Langley Air Force Base
when an extremely intoxicated coworker did his damndest to initiate
a fight with five fighter pilots. When I heard him exclaim, "And,
you stupid motherfuckers, even if you kick *my* ass, my friend over
there will fucking kill you 'cuz he teaches kuhroddi!", I walked over,
put an armlock on him, apologized to the pilots, and escorted him from
the premises. I drove him to his house and dumped him in his front
yard - after which I assume his wife did far worse to him than the
pilots would've. God save us all from stupid friends.
>2) fighting while high is hard to do.
Never get too drunk to fight or find the exit. Not ever.
> I literally did not have sufficient
>reaction time nor could I generate the power to do much damage in a fist fight.
You need to hang out with more Okinawans. *Nobody* on the planet
drinks more than Okinawans - and they'll still kick your butt when
they're nearly comatose.
>3) Jiu Jitsu works. Period. Without the knowledge on how to use guard, even in
>a sport JJ class, this would have been really ugly. I came out with a ripped
>shirt, my friend was close to getting sent to the hospital. And, I don't mean
>Japanese JJ, I mean BJJ.
Alternatively: "90% of fights go to ground because 90% of the people
who get into fights are too drunk to stand up." ;-)
>4) the ground is not a bad place to be in a multiple opponent encounter. I was
>safer there, took less risk, less damage, than I did while upright, even
>defending against 2 people who were much larger, faster, and more violent than
>I was. When you have 450lbs of guys trying to swarm you in a fairly
>coordinated fashion and you are not on 11 as far as violence goes, it is very
>difficult to stay upright, and especially when you aren't dressed properly for
>it. My shoes had no traction. So, I let the earth cover my back and let one
Wear different shoes.
Seriously - you literally never know when something really, really bad
is going to happen. Why handicap yourself in advance?
>guy serve as a shield.
Well, I'm not exactly sure what your final body position was but
I think you're lucky nobody had a knife.
>Streetfights are very fast and chaotic. If you're not ready and you don't have
>a plan and you can't count on your people, avoid them.
Avoid them anyway.
>Had I been sober or in
>fighting shape, I am fairly sure I could have taken both of these guys assuming
>no one else jumped in for them. In retrospect, I probably should have attacked
>immediately and gone for a collar choke, takedown to mount to rear naked, or a
>kimura from guard, but I had to watch out for guy #2 and to attempt to get him
>to stop beating the hell out of my friend. Had I had a JJ classmate with me,
>we'd have won, no doubt, but I wasn't with one of those guys. These dudes
>fought smart together, always getting 2 on 1, then when I showed up, going 2 on
>1 against me, so that they always had numerical advantage. Fighting is about
>initiative - they took it and we never got it back. I really wanted to
>blindside the smaller guy after he hit me, but my friend could not keep his
>mouth shut long enough for me to even start running at the damned guy. Oh
>well. Anyone got any comments?
Ya done good, kid.
Steve
observa
You were lucky. It doesn't sound like the guys who went for you were all
that serious.
Both of you blotto? Who was driving? Sounds like alround poor judgement.
One should stay sober, so the drunk one baits peole and the sober one can
beat up on them when they start beating hell out of the drunk. Just act
drunk until they attack. Generally people are more relaxed, and confident
when attacking drunks. So a sudden "sober up" will often catch them by
surprise.
Alan Jeffery
"and drain deez nuts" <trav...@aol.cominyrface> wrote in message
news:20020715142707...@mb-mq.aol.com...
> Hey, check this out, I was in an actual streetfight!
>
> So, what does he do? He starts talking back to them. They run across the
> street after him and I am, at this point, wondering if I should just let
him
> get his fucking ass kicked. But, being the good friend that I am, I
trudge
> across to help. Once they see me coming up, they disengage from kicking
him in
> the head and come after me. I was backing up because, shit, I couldn't
much
> see totally straight, and the littler guy starts trying to take swings. I
duck
> and cover on him, but slipped on the street due to the clinch shoving and
the
> fact that he had sneakers and I was in dress shoes. So, from my knees, I
tied
> up his legs as he was trying to kick me and worked my way to his lapels.
He
> was unable to hit me but his buddy immediately began running around to my
head
> to try to kick me. So, I put a modified spider guard out there and spun
to N/S
> on the first one and used my legs to block the big guy and to hold
distance
> with him. The other guy couldn't do shit because my head was covered in
his
> chest between my arms and I had him pulled onto me as a shield. After 10
or so
> seconds of them getting nowhere, they disengaged and I let the guy go. No
> further attack ensued.
>
> I learned a few things from this:
>
> 1) don't go out with people who don't know when to keep their mouths shut.
Had
> he simply walked away or talked away, this shit wouldn't have happened.
>
> 2) fighting while high is hard to do. I literally did not have sufficient
> reaction time nor could I generate the power to do much damage in a fist
fight.
> These guys swung wildly and did not hit particularly hard. I took a
square
> shot on the face and was unfazed by it, except for some soreness the next
day.
>
> 3) Jiu Jitsu works. Period. Without the knowledge on how to use guard,
even in
> a sport JJ class, this would have been really ugly. I came out with a
ripped
> shirt, my friend was close to getting sent to the hospital. And, I don't
mean
> Japanese JJ, I mean BJJ.
>
> 4) the ground is not a bad place to be in a multiple opponent encounter.
I was
> safer there, took less risk, less damage, than I did while upright, even
> defending against 2 people who were much larger, faster, and more violent
than
> I was. When you have 450lbs of guys trying to swarm you in a fairly
> coordinated fashion and you are not on 11 as far as violence goes, it is
very
> difficult to stay upright, and especially when you aren't dressed properly
for
> it. My shoes had no traction. So, I let the earth cover my back and let
one
> guy serve as a shield.
>
> Streetfights are very fast and chaotic. If you're not ready and you don't
have
> a plan and you can't count on your people, avoid them. Had I been sober
or in
> fighting shape, I am fairly sure I could have taken both of these guys
assuming
> no one else jumped in for them. In retrospect, I probably should have
attacked
> immediately and gone for a collar choke, takedown to mount to rear naked,
or a
> kimura from guard, but I had to watch out for guy #2 and to attempt to get
him
> to stop beating the hell out of my friend. Had I had a JJ classmate with
me,
> we'd have won, no doubt, but I wasn't with one of those guys. These dudes
> fought smart together, always getting 2 on 1, then when I showed up, going
2 on
> 1 against me, so that they always had numerical advantage. Fighting is
about
> initiative - they took it and we never got it back. I really wanted to
> blindside the smaller guy after he hit me, but my friend could not keep
his
> mouth shut long enough for me to even start running at the damned guy. Oh
> well. Anyone got any comments?
>
> Trav
kalis
Classic case of BNA.
Mike
Paul Maybury
"Badger Jones" <young_...@hotmail.REEEMOVEcom> wrote in message
news:3d344401...@news.storm.ca...
Sorta like "A Knight's Tale" - She say's "If you love me, you will lose".
And, when he is one charge from being eliminated, "If you love me, you will
win." Love can make you do really stupid things.
tpm
Logan
> Hey, check this out, I was in an actual streetfight!
You need to go back and give that gas station attaendant a good smack
across the face.
Matthew Weigel
>Sorta like "A Knight's Tale" - She say's "If you love me, you will lose".
>And, when he is one charge from being eliminated, "If you love me, you will
>win." Love can make you do really stupid things.
Was the the bookie?
--
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Research Systems Programmer
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Matthew Weigel
>Paul Maybury <tpma...@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>>Sorta like "A Knight's Tale" - She say's "If you love me, you will lose".
>>And, when he is one charge from being eliminated, "If you love me, you will
>>win." Love can make you do really stupid things.
>
>Was the the bookie?
s/the the/she the/
Kevin
> Hey, check this out, I was in an actual streetfight!
Congrats, Trav - you done good to be in one piece, that's the real
important thing. I've been in that state, where your punching would
be totally floppy and powerless, and know exactly what you mean.
I've often wondered how badly I'd do in that situation, myself.
hmmm. Not enough to really want to find out.
:o)
Kevin
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Shuurai
> Had he simply walked away or talked away, this shit wouldn't have happened.
Good advice. Either tell the guy you're not saving his ass next time, or just
don't go out with him anymore... At least not with some other fighters ;)
> 2) fighting while high is hard to do. I literally did not have sufficient
> reaction time nor could I generate the power to do much damage in a fist
> fight. These guys swung wildly and did not hit particularly hard. I took a
> square shot on the face and was unfazed by it, except for some soreness the
> next day.
It's been said before and most people don't wanna hear it - but don't do drugs.
Period. If you *have* to do drugs (prescription) and they don't mix well with
alcohol, don't drink. Period. Otherwise you take your chances. I've done a
lot of bouncing work over the years, and one thing that's become very clear to
me is that people who are high and/or drunk are generally *very* easy to beat
in a fight, regardless of how big/strong/skilled they might be otherwise.
> 3) Jiu Jitsu works. Period. Without the knowledge on how to use guard, even
> in a sport JJ class, this would have been really ugly. I came out with a
> ripped shirt, my friend was close to getting sent to the hospital. And, I
> don't mean Japanese JJ, I mean BJJ.
There is no doubt that it works.
> 4) the ground is not a bad place to be in a multiple opponent encounter. I
> was safer there, took less risk, less damage, than I did while upright, even
> defending against 2 people who were much larger, faster, and more violent
> than I was. When you have 450lbs of guys trying to swarm you in a fairly
> coordinated fashion and you are not on 11 as far as violence goes, it is very
> difficult to stay upright, and especially when you aren't dressed properly
> for it. My shoes had no traction. So, I let the earth cover my back and let
> one guy serve as a shield.
Two things... First, it doesn't sound like the second guy was really very
effective in his attacks. Not to say that going to the ground in your case
was a bad idea - it sounds like the only choice you had at the time. But if
the second guy had been smarter with his attacks - or if he'd just kept trying
longer than he did - you might have been in real trouble. If you're gonna
take someone to the ground, try to finish them quickly - choke them out or
break something.
Second, don't wear shoes without traction, restrictive clothing, or anything
that might hinder your ability to defend yourself - especially if you're with
some twit who can't keep his mouth shut :) Personally, I can't stand shoes
without traction - when I wear "dress" shoes they're generally Timberlands
with good bottoms. If you *have* to wear this kind of thing, take a change
of clothes or at least shoes with you before going out anywhere. It sounds
like paranoia to some people, but I've personally had enough situations where
it made a difference to call it good advice.
Then again, maybe it's just an excuse to wear jeans and sneakers.
> Streetfights are very fast and chaotic. If you're not ready and you don't
> have a plan and you can't count on your people, avoid them.
Avoid 'em no matter what.
> Had I been sober
> or in fighting shape, I am fairly sure I could have taken both of these guys
> assuming no one else jumped in for them. In retrospect, I probably should
> have attacked immediately and gone for a collar choke, takedown to mount to
> rear naked, or a kimura from guard, but I had to watch out for guy #2 and to
> attempt to get him to stop beating the hell out of my friend. Had I had a JJ
> classmate with me, we'd have won, no doubt, but I wasn't with one of those
> guys. These dudes fought smart together, always getting 2 on 1, then when I
> showed up, going 2 on 1 against me, so that they always had numerical
> advantage. Fighting is about initiative - they took it and we never got it
> back. I really wanted to blindside the smaller guy after he hit me, but my
> friend could not keep his mouth shut long enough for me to even start running
> at the damned guy. Oh well.
Sounds like a good reason to stay sober and in fighting shape. Also, I think
you're right about attacking immediately. It sounds like these guys were
clearly looking for a fight, and in that case you're much better off taking
it to them before they can gain any kind of advantage. Again, this kind of
requires that you be sober and in shape.
>Anyone got any comments?
Glad you're still with us :)
Two on one is impressive no matter how you did it.
wallen
first of all you are lucky, because you learned from the
experience,and your enemies are dumb.
ground fighting is good for one on one situations only, in your case
the other guy tried to kick you, had he grabbed you instead ( a simple
hair lock will make you bald in places) youll be swearing at your
friend long after that night.
dont get me wrong, there are some grapling technique that can tie 3
person together, one i know of is aplied while standing up capturing
their hands as they land blows on your head.
you knew your shoes are slipping in the pavement, you could have taken
them off and use them as a weapon. you should always put things into
your favor in a fight, even low bright lights can be used to dazzle
your opponents eye long enought for you to give a good attack.
any way.... fighting is not something to cheer about, even if you got
the better hand. its something we train and get ready for but pray
that we never get to use, and if ever we survive one, we simply learn
and thank the stars....
PeterD
Anyone got any comments?
Sure. First off, good to hear you're unhurt. Second, watch the company
you keep ;> There are some *women* who like to entice fights too...
"You can't talk to my boyfriend like that, can he, Trav?"
"Er, no Maybelline...."
You may know the type.
Many conflicts arise when someone just can't keep their mouth shut.
I don't envy you being blotto and having to deal with 450lbs of
trouble.
Having ground fighting skills allowed you to quickly assess your
options and implement a plan. Having a plan, even if it 'just' making
the correct response due to your training, gives you a huge advantage
over the untrained and ill-prepared.
Do you think the situation would have been different had one of the
other guys had a gun? Or you, or your buddy?
Perhaps more accurately, the presence of a gun could have escalated a
potential ass-whuppin' into a potential homicide?
I just can't imagine that a gun would not have made the scene a whole
lot worse.
I realy don't want to restart the gun debate, I'd just like to get
your impressions of that possibility, while the event is still fresh
in your mind.
Cheers Trav
Peter
Kirk Lawson
>
> Kirk Lawson wrote:
> > Yup. But I've found that loyalty counts for quite a bit. Even if the
> > guy is an idiot.
>
> Wait till it's a mouthy chick that starts the fight and signs you up
> to finish it.
Well, hopefully my current position in life (Married with a child) will
help me avoid this particular pitfall.
> It doesn't even have to be 'Drunk Girl'. Lots of women want to see
> some blood.
> The choice comes down to fucking off a great piece of ass or taking
> your lumps- they never pick anybody 'easy' <G>
hehehe
I can almost picture the look of contemplation on your face: "Hmmm...
Sex and a Black Eye or Good health and a cold shower... hmmm...."
Kirk Lawson
>
> On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:15:12 -0400, wrote:
>
> >and drain deez nuts wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone got any comments?
> >>
> >> Trav
> >
> >Ditch your stupid friend or beat the crap outa him yourself.
> >
> >Peace favor your sword (IH)
>
> Wow. How's that for a yin and yang?
>
> Ah, the duality of man.
It seemed more like role reversal to me.
Peace favor your sword (IH)
Kirk Lawson
> Second, don't wear shoes without traction, restrictive clothing, or anything
> that might hinder your ability to defend yourself - especially if you're with
> some twit who can't keep his mouth shut :) Personally, I can't stand shoes
> without traction - when I wear "dress" shoes they're generally Timberlands
> with good bottoms. If you *have* to wear this kind of thing, take a change
> of clothes or at least shoes with you before going out anywhere. It sounds
> like paranoia to some people, but I've personally had enough situations where
> it made a difference to call it good advice.
>
> Then again, maybe it's just an excuse to wear jeans and sneakers.
You can buy "traction" pads for smooth soled shoes and it's easy to get
business cloths that are loose enough to allow freedom of movement.
I've personally found that blue jeans tend to be *more* restrictive the
slacks. That's just my experience though, not something to make book
by.
> Sounds like a good reason to stay sober and in fighting shape. Also, I think
> you're right about attacking immediately. It sounds like these guys were
> clearly looking for a fight, and in that case you're much better off taking
> it to them before they can gain any kind of advantage. Again, this kind of
> requires that you be sober and in shape.
I'm nearly a T-Totaller (as I've said before) mostly because it slows my
reactions down too much and messes with balance and perception. It may
work for Jackie Chan in Drunken Master, but irl, at least for me, it
don't work.
YoJimbo
>
>Hey, check this out, I was in an actual streetfight!
>Trav
Hey, your loud-mouth buddy was drunk as a skunk and you were lit up
and you both still made it home in one piece. What's not to like?
You still have that pretty face and all your limbs work, that's the bottom
line :-).
On the subject of loud-mouth friends, I had a few experiences in college
like Gombo, it's a good discussion topic- "Loud-mouths friends who want
you to fight everybody and what to do about them".
Sounds like a topic for a Jerry Springer show.
Like most college kids, we could get pretty rowdy after too much alcohol,
and we did tend to down whatever we could when we could afford to (not often,
usually "all-you-can-drink" 3.2 beer at Drown Nights unless we could talk somebody
over 21 into getting us some good stuff), and a couple guys I hung around
liked to talk too much, sober or drunk. I'm not an argumentative guy by
nature, but I sure had some help. Booze always seems to bring out the
worst in somebody's personality who has problems to begin with, so our little
group occasionally had potential fist-fights over chicks at the 3.2 clubs or
over foos-ball games and shit, always something stupid. Since I was the
karoddy dude, it was like Steve talked about, "yeah, well, you ain't so
tough, my friend here can kick yer ass". Funny how everybody wants the other
guy to fight their battles for them. I usually could talk my out of duking
it out because I'm thinking, "well, hell, I had as much to drink as you
did"...
What I loved is the buddy with the largest mouth always asking me afterward,
"you *would* have helped me out, wouldn't you?" I always told him the truth- "you
start something, you'll be the one mixing it up". But this stuff never shuts
anybody up. If somebody has a big mouth, they seem to have a big mouth forever.
When they're fifty they brag about all the bar fights they've won, and
none of their friends remembers the stories actually occuring.
It's kinda like everybody who was in Nam was in deep shit in the jungle
and carried seven guys out to safety in the midst of a hail of bullets,
the way the re-telling goes :-).
JS
Pierre Honeyman
> Matthew Weigel <mcwe...@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:
> >Paul Maybury <tpma...@rogers.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Sorta like "A Knight's Tale" - She say's "If you love me, you will lose".
> >>And, when he is one charge from being eliminated, "If you love me, you will
> >>win." Love can make you do really stupid things.
> >
> >Was the the bookie?
>
> s/the the/she the/
You are *such* a geek...
Pierre
and drain deez nuts
>>know, the same kinda shit that NFL players get addicted to.
>
>oxycodone?
Yep and hydro.
>>Not good for fighting.
>
>bet your ass was relaxed as all get out on the ground though...LOL.
>
How'd you know? I was comfy down there.
>
>> I couldn't even manufacture any aggression. It was
>>like being artificial Ghandi.
>
>maybe it brought out your true self.
>
>G240
>
Well, I am not a violent guy, to be honest with you.
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>Yeah, I gotta agree. If I were a parking attendant and two drunk
>fucks were trying to get their car, I'd be delaying it as long as I
>could, too. Why the hell should I be held responsible for you driving
>your car around drunk? And if you got pissed at me for it and started
>hitting other people's cars at random, you deserved to be brought to
>the table for it.
*I* did not do anything except sit on my ass and talk to hot chicks who were
ALSO pissed of at the garage attendant because this garage SUCKED. EVERYONE
was pissed off at these guys.
>And you were going to ride passenger with your
>blindly drunk friend?
"Blindly drunk"?!?! Jeezus, you read a lot into things.
>That said, were I in your position, I would have gone back for the
>fucking parking attendant once I was done with the two other guys.
He had the cops next to him at this point.
Trav
Grappler240
Did you find it hard to relax in the beginning?
most do. I did, many moons ago.
enough ass whoopins will make you just stop caring I guess.
and drain deez nuts
>First, well done for not getting completely spankered and, most
>importantly, staying there to try to help your (now ex?-) friend.
Naw, he's still my friend.
>
>I have a couple of questions, comments:
>
>Do you think that being high:
>
>1) relaxed you in that situation, and made your thoughts clear, or
>were your thoughts racing at 1,000mph?
Totally relaxed, but completely not wanting to fight. I actually initiated no
offense whatsoever because I just did not want to fight, period. My thoughts
were clear, but they always are. I had analyzed how and when to attack, but
the attendant got in my way at the first rush and after that, things didn't
stay where they needed to be.
>2) meant you didn't feel what might have been harder blows than they
>seemed?
eh...I only took one shot, it was pretty hard, but no pain or nothing.
>3) made the whole thing seem a nightmarish/can't put a shot together
>experience, or when you moved, was it clean and fast?
Well, I was pissed off afterwards at not doing more, but it was difficult to
manage the speed of the encounter coherently in the shape I was in.
>also:
>
>4) why do you think they didn't finish you both off? Did they get
>bored, or were they unable?
Lack of interest and my intervention. They stopped beating my buddy once I got
within about 4 feet and jumped after me.
>5) do you think they were trained in any MA? and finally
No.
>6) did they wait their turn and were they out of synch like in a
>*real* fight?
>
HAHAHAHA...no, people don't fight like Aikido class.
They were shoulder to shoulder, both on at once, taking a side of the body and
shit like that.
When I got close, they both jumped off and attacked simultaneously.
In order to have been successful, I needed to attack viciously and immediately
at that point, but I was incapable of that level of violence at that time.
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>>up his legs as he was trying to kick me and worked my way to his lapels. He
>
>I'm surprised you didn't have opening for a couple of elbow shots on
>the way up. I'm also surprised you didn't have an opening for a headbutt
>once you got there. Perhaps I'm misreading what happened.
>
>Of course, hindsight is always 20/20.
No, hell no, I should have dragged him all the way down and kimura'd him and
dislocated his shoulder and then gone after the big man the same way. Then, I
should have paraded around the street yelling "are you not entertained???" to
all the couple hundred onlookers and taken my shirt off and gone over to some
honeys and said "who wants to go home with a real man." That's what I should
have done, in retrospect, but you know, it's tough to wanna do anything other
than chill when you're lit up.
>
>>2) fighting while high is hard to do.
>
>Never get too drunk to fight or find the exit. Not ever.
I could find the damned exit, but fighting two big black guys is a much taller
order.
>You need to hang out with more Okinawans. *Nobody* on the planet
>drinks more than Okinawans - and they'll still kick your butt when
>they're nearly comatose.
eh, bullshit, not on this stuff.
>
>Alternatively: "90% of fights go to ground because 90% of the people
>who get into fights are too drunk to stand up." ;-)
>
No, when you are in loafers and the other guy is in running kicks and you
clinch, you will end up on your ass due to traction deficiency.
>Wear different shoes.
Whatever...why don't I just stay home while I'm at it?
>
>Seriously - you literally never know when something really, really bad
>is going to happen. Why handicap yourself in advance?
Um...you ever dress up? Or you always just wear sweats?
>
>Well, I'm not exactly sure what your final body position was but
>I think you're lucky nobody had a knife.
Fucking KNIFE? Dude, I was more worried about getting shot.
>Ya done good, kid.
>
>Steve
>
eh, I got out without getting hurt which is sort of "minimum compentency."
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>Trav
>
>You were lucky. It doesn't sound like the guys who went for you were all
>that serious.
>
They just wanted to kick some ass; that's usually how it is. People aren't out
there looking to kill people straight up - they tend to work their way into it.
>
>Both of you blotto? Who was driving?
I ended up driving.
>Sounds like alround poor judgement.
>One should stay sober, so the drunk one baits peole and the sober one can
>beat up on them when they start beating hell out of the drunk. Just act
>drunk until they attack.
Oh yeah, right. I'm going to go out for hours and sit around sober at a club,
just in case I might have to attack two black guys in the street, one of whom
is running 250lbs of muscle. Ok, I'll think about it.
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>Congrats, Trav - you done good to be in one piece, that's the real
>important thing. I've been in that state, where your punching would
>be totally floppy and powerless, and know exactly what you mean.
Yeah, unless you can relate, you dunno what I'm talking about.
>I've often wondered how badly I'd do in that situation, myself.
>
Study BJJ.
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>
> Were there any hot chicks on cocaine?
Yes. All of them.
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>drugs.
blah blah blah...look both ways, don't drink and drive, wash behind the ears,
if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all, just say no,
wear a condom, put the seat down - what are you, my mother?!??!
>Period. If you *have* to do drugs (prescription) and they don't mix well
>with
>alcohol, don't drink. Period. Otherwise you take your chances. I've done a
>lot of bouncing work over the years, and one thing that's become very clear
>to
>me is that people who are high and/or drunk are generally *very* easy to beat
>in a fight, regardless of how big/strong/skilled they might be otherwise.
Yep. That's why I needed a JJ classmate there. We'd have won anyway.
That's the thing I like so much about BJJ - you CAN fight high or drunk with
it.
>
>Two things... First, it doesn't sound like the second guy was really very
>effective in his attacks.
This had more to do with MY tactical decisions and defense.
He was TRYING to kick me in the head. Guys like to get people down, get above
them, rain down some punches, and then kick you while you're prone, typically
trying to cover your head.
This did not happen to me.
I did not assume the prone position - I went to my back and took a grip and
used technique.
>Not to say that going to the ground in your case
>was a bad idea - it sounds like the only choice you had at the time.
It wasn't my choice.
>But if
>the second guy had been smarter with his attacks - or if he'd just kept
>trying
>longer than he did - you might have been in real trouble. If you're gonna
>take someone to the ground, try to finish them quickly - choke them out or
>break something.
I would have but needed to be more concerned with which direction guy #2 was
coming from. Had he been "smarter" or whatever, the fight would have played
into my hand until the police showed up to help me. I could have tied these
guys up on the ground, I have no doubt.
>Second, don't wear shoes without traction, restrictive clothing, or anything
>that might hinder your ability to defend yourself -
Oh jeezus. You ever been in a fucking wedding? Go to church? Work? What if
you get attacked!!?!? Dude, I have to go out all the time in sub-optimal
fighting apparel. It is simply NOT POSSIBLE to be ideally prepared all the
time.
>
>Then again, maybe it's just an excuse to wear jeans and sneakers.
If you want to wait at the door all night.
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>first of all you are lucky, because you learned from the
>experience,and your enemies are dumb.
>
>ground fighting is good for one on one situations only, in your case
>the other guy tried to kick you, had he grabbed you instead ( a simple
>hair lock will make you bald in places) youll be swearing at your
>friend long after that night.
Who the hell are you?
I was just IN a streetfight, in the middle of an actual street, hell I'll give
you the fucking address (516 10th St, NW, Washington DC), and you're going to
come in here and tell me what is and is not a "good idea" in such a
circumstance and when and how groundfighting "works"?
My POINT is that this WHOLE crap about "the ground = death in a fight" is TOTAL
BULLSHIT.
The "boot alley" you'll supposedly experience if you go down is totally
OVERRATED. YES, people will TRY to kick you, but if you fight properly and
tactically sound, the ground can be your FRIEND in a fight. We would all like
to be as tough as you and take everyone out with one shot while hopping on a
pogo stick, but in some cases that just doesn't happen.
If the "other guy" had tried to grab my hair, he just would have been closer to
me than he already was and I would have reverse triangled his ass from the
position I was in.
>
>you knew your shoes are slipping in the pavement, you could have taken
>them off and use them as a weapon.
hahahahaha...you're HILARIOUS.
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>Do you think the situation would have been different had one of the
>other guys had a gun? Or you, or your buddy?
>
Well, DUH. If they'd had had a gun, my friend or I or both would have gotten
shot (at). Had I had a gun, there'd be two less niggers in DC.
>
>Perhaps more accurately, the presence of a gun could have escalated a
>potential ass-whuppin' into a potential homicide?
Um, that all depends upon who had it, Petie. Had I had the gun, it would have
been up to these chumps whether they wanted to drive off or be carried off.
>
>I just can't imagine that a gun would not have made the scene a whole
>lot worse.
It woulda made it a whole lot better for me had I had one.
Trav
Grappler240
>>the other guy tried to kick you, had he grabbed you instead
famous last words of someone who a: doesn't know how to fight for real, and b:
is too stupid to pick up BJJ.
>I was just IN a streetfight, in the middle of an actual street
and most of these people couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag, Trav.
>My POINT is that this WHOLE crap about "the ground = death in a fight" is
>TOTAL
>BULLSHIT.
yep.
>YES, people will TRY to kick you, but if you fight properly and
>tactically sound, the ground can be your FRIEND in a fight.
never failed me before.
>>you knew your shoes are slipping in the pavement, you could have taken
>>them off and use them as a weapon.
i guess we never get those opportunities where our opponents let us take off
our shoes and get into our karategis.
Daniel Winsor - HESE
Agreed. I mean, *anyone* would've used tr instead.
---
Dan Winsor
Coldblood
"Kirk Lawson" <NO_lklaw...@heapy.com> wrote in message
news:3D35814A...@heapy.com...
> Shuurai wrote:
>
>snippity snip snip
>
> I'm nearly a T-Totaller (as I've said before) mostly because it slows my
> reactions down too much and messes with balance and perception. It may
> work for Jackie Chan in Drunken Master, but irl, at least for me, it
> don't work.
>
> Peace favor your sword (IH)
> --
> "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or
> knowledge of their use."
> -Achille Marozzo, 1536
> --
> "...it's the nature of the media and the participants. A herd of martial
> artists gets together and a fight breaks out; quelle surprise."
> -Chas Speaking of rec.martial-arts
i found out when i was the army i can in fact do ju jutsu while drunk.
really drunk :) you just have to train big muscle groups, not small ones.
joint locks are out, but hip tosses are in :) in fact any big loopy kind of
movement worked ok.
andrew
Coldblood
"and drain deez nuts" <trav...@aol.cominyrface> wrote in message
news:20020717122448...@mb-mq.aol.com...
> >
> >first of all you are lucky, because you learned from the
> >experience,and your enemies are dumb.
> >
> >ground fighting is good for one on one situations only, in your case
> >the other guy tried to kick you, had he grabbed you instead ( a simple
> >hair lock will make you bald in places) youll be swearing at your
> >friend long after that night.
>
> Who the hell are you?
>
> I was just IN a streetfight, in the middle of an actual street, hell I'll
give
> you the fucking address (516 10th St, NW, Washington DC), and you're going
to
> come in here and tell me what is and is not a "good idea" in such a
> circumstance and when and how groundfighting "works"?
>
> My POINT is that this WHOLE crap about "the ground = death in a fight" is
TOTAL
> BULLSHIT.
>
> The "boot alley" you'll supposedly experience if you go down is totally
> OVERRATED. YES, people will TRY to kick you, but if you fight properly
and
> tactically sound, the ground can be your FRIEND in a fight. We would all
like
> to be as tough as you and take everyone out with one shot while hopping on
a
> pogo stick, but in some cases that just doesn't happen.
>
i have been saying this exact same thing since about 95-96.
andrew
Steve Perry
deez nuts <trav...@aol.cominyrface> wrote:
> My POINT is that this WHOLE crap about "the ground = death in a fight" is
> TOTAL
> BULLSHIT.
So let me see if I got this right: Trav, who uses a netsig that shows
contempt for everybody who reads it, and who has been a vocal supporter
of BJJ, but who is not a violent man by his own admission, got into a
fight with two big bad-ass black dudes while he was lit, but entirely
due to his loudmouth drunken buddy, and managed to keep the bad guys
from causing him any harm, thus proving that 1) BJJ works on the street
if you go to the ground, 2) against mutliple opponents, and 3) can be
done even while heavily drugged.
While this is not in the same realm with the grapplers who would have
stomped the crap out of the baddies no matter if they'd been armed with
knives, tire tools, or barstools, it is still pretty impressive. A
doped-up lawyer in dress clothes kicking serious ass is indeed a fine
thing.
Am I the only one who finds this, well, not to put too fine a point on
it, oddly coincidental? Were I a suspicious man, I might see this as
just the kind of spindoc report that was designed to shut down assorted
critics once and for all.
Were I a suspicous man, which of course, I am not.
--
Steve
Kirk Lawson
>
> >
> >other guys had a gun? Or you, or your buddy?
> >
>
> Well, DUH. If they'd had had a gun, my friend or I or both would have gotten
> shot (at). Had I had a gun, there'd be two less niggers in DC.
But... but... There aren't any guns in DC. They're against the law!
Right?
:P
R Joseph
news:<20020715142707...@mb-mq.aol.com>...
> Anyone got any comments?
My friend and I had a funny experience on Friday night when we
were on our way home from a nightclub in DC. Seems one of the
parking attendents was mildly retarded and doing a poor job of
parking and retrieving vehicles, and a couple of white boys blew
a fuse when it took longer than they liked getting their car.
Anyway, one of them got so angry he brought his fist down onto
the hood of my friend's Ford Expedition! When we went over to
confront them and get their insurance information, it was obvious
that they were both trashed - one probably really drunk and the
other stoned out of his mind. One just kind of stood there
staring at us with his eyes glazed over, but the other one
started spitting and spewing obsenities, getting right into my
friend's face - like it was our fault that they had to wait a
minute or two longer than they'd like to get their car out, and
he was shocked that we'd care about having our car dented.
They were obviously looking for a fight, while we only wanted
their ID's and an appology.
Well, when my friend finally had enough of the drunken fool's
phlegm, threats and insults, he cold-cocked him and knocked him
on his ass. That's when the other white boy came to life and
started to try and get into it, but my friend smacked that one
too, and he ran away across the street.
Well, just when we thought the tussle was over, the idiot on the
ground starts mouthing off again, trying to get up and back into
"the fight." So we went back over to him, to explain that we
just wanted his ID and insurance info so we can deal with the
problem later - but he starts thrashing about on the ground and
screaming like we were kicking him or something.
That's when the other one starts stumbling across the street
toward us, flailing his arms around as though blocking some wild
imaginary punches and muttering something about his "MMA." We
looked and couldn't help but laugh, and he started stumbling
backwards, slipped and fell on his ass! My friend went over to
help him up, but the white boy just grabbed my friend's ankles
and started slowly climbing up his body, all the way up to his
lapels! We were laughing so hard we couldn't make out what he
was stammering, something about "Brazi Jutsu" or some shit. It
was so funny my friend fell over with the dumbass on the ground.
The white boy was grasping my friend desperately and balling up
into a fetal position! God it was funny.
Anyway, when we finally quit laughing we went over and got the
license plate number from their Mercedes, got a couple of names
of the witnesses and left. As we were leaving one of them was
yelling something about, "I'll post on RMA tomorrow, fuckers!"
LOL. What a night.
Grappler240
okay...that was pretty good.
bravo.
Grappler240
Matthew Weigel
>>> s/the the/she the/
>>
>>You are *such* a geek...
>
>Agreed. I mean, *anyone* would've used tr instead.
Oh please. The only thing anyone uses tr for nowadays is to deal with
CRLF in Windows files.
And yes; yes I am a geek.
--
Matthew Weigel
Research Systems Programmer
mcwe...@cs.cmu.edu
YoJimbo
Well, Steve, *your* problem is you're just too honest and intelligent,
said qualities getting you nowhere on a group like RMA. While here,
I think the correct phrase is, "allowing a lot of poetic license" :-)))))).
JS
Kirk Lawson
[snip]
> Anyway, when we finally quit laughing we went over and got the
> license plate number from their Mercedes, got a couple of names
> of the witnesses and left. As we were leaving one of them was
> yelling something about, "I'll post on RMA tomorrow, fuckers!"
> LOL. What a night.
Ba-hahahahah
That was great!
8 for originality and 9 for content.
and drain deez nuts
>
>Did you find it hard to relax in the beginning?
>
>most do. I did, many moons ago.
>
>enough ass whoopins will make you just stop caring I guess.
>
>G240
Me? I go to class maybe once a week and have been for aw, 9 months maybe.
Could be less than that. I've had to take off a lot of time for wisdom teeth,
throat surgery, broken toe.
I wrestled for 7 years. As for getting relaxed, hmm...I guess I used to be
more hyper, but I like to play the top game, anyway. I'm better when I'm not
relaxed and more aggressive, like a wrestler would be.
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>contempt for everybody who reads it, and who has been a vocal supporter
>of BJJ, but who is not a violent man by his own admission, got into a
>fight with two big bad-ass black dudes while he was lit, but entirely
>due to his loudmouth drunken buddy, and managed to keep the bad guys
>from causing him any harm, thus proving that 1) BJJ works on the street
>if you go to the ground, 2) against mutliple opponents, and 3) can be
>done even while heavily drugged.
Yeah, that is about the sum total of it, a pretty good synopsis there.
>A
>doped-up lawyer in dress clothes kicking serious ass is indeed a fine
>thing.
I did not kick serious ass. I avoided getting MY ass seriously kicked. And, I
kept my Rolex on, which is the key thing.
I used BJJ to do it, and ground knowledge gleaned therefrom. Hell, I've been
actually using GUARD in class recently and having some success with it.
The safest place for me was on my back in the middle of the street, given the
circumstances. Yes, I could have made a lot of better choices earlier on in
the course of events, but at that particular point, I did not have any other
options.
Trav
and drain deez nuts
hahahaha - lots of points for originality.
Trav
Steve Perry
deez nuts <trav...@aol.cominyrface> wrote:
> I did not kick serious ass. I avoided getting MY ass seriously kicked. And,
> I
> kept my Rolex on, which is the key thing.
As I understand it, the dudes you tangled with were irate because your
drunken friend pounded on their car and then proceeded to give them bad
lip about it. Why is it you assume your Rolex was in danger? That they
were pissed off at your loudmouthed buddy doesn't make them jewel
thieves, does it?
Or is it you assume all black men are robbers?
--
Steve
@hotmail.com.invalid Eric D. Berge
wrote:
>I'm not an argumentative guy by nature
Thank goodness for that.
Daniel Winsor - HESE
>Oh please. The only thing anyone uses tr for nowadays is to deal with
>CRLF in Windows files.
What is this Windows of which you speak? You mean X? Anyway, if you
need to go from DOS to UNIX, dos2unix and unix2dos does nicely.
>And yes; yes I am a geek.
Well... yeah... I mean, we've seen your picture.
---
Dan Winsor
YoJimbo
Shuddup Eric, I know everybody loves me here.
JS
Todd Christensen
[snip]
Hey. I thought you cut that damned mullet!
[snip]
> So, what does he do? He starts talking back to them. They run across the
> street after him and I am, at this point, wondering if I should just let him
> get his fucking ass kicked. But, being the good friend that I am, I trudge
> across to help. Once they see me coming up, they disengage from kicking him in
> the head and come after me. I was backing up because, shit, I couldn't much
> see totally straight, and the littler guy starts trying to take swings. I duck
> and cover on him, but slipped on the street due to the clinch shoving and the
> fact that he had sneakers and I was in dress shoes. So, from my knees, I tied
> up his legs as he was trying to kick me and worked my way to his lapels.
My first comment is: You took Karate for over 10 years right? 10
years of Kata and deadly one-steps. Yet knife hands and Osoto Gari
didn't miracously spew forth from your *muscle memory*.
Gee. What a shock.
And here I thought that is what Karoddy was for? That's what my old
instructors would tell me, anyway. Bar fights. Multiples. Dress shoes.
Yes. I distinctly remember that all that Karrody was supposed to
cover.
> was unable to hit me but his buddy immediately began running around to my head
> to try to kick me. So, I put a modified spider guard out there and spun to N/S
> on the first one and used my legs to block the big guy and to hold distance
> with him. The other guy couldn't do shit because my head was covered in his
> chest between my arms and I had him pulled onto me as a shield. After 10 or so
> seconds of them getting nowhere, they disengaged and I let the guy go. No
> further attack ensued.
Your mere *sport* wrestling experience and the few months you've done
BJJ did flow right out and save your ass. Interesting.
They must have been wearing thier nice clothes and didn't want to get
down on the ground and get dirty. Lucky break.
> I learned a few things from this:
>
> 1) don't go out with people who don't know when to keep their mouths shut. Had
> he simply walked away or talked away, this shit wouldn't have happened.
I used to be that guy. One day there was nobody there to back me up
like you so valiantly did. I learned me a lesson too. Keep my mouth
shut and stay sober.
> 2) fighting while high is hard to do. I literally did not have sufficient
> reaction time nor could I generate the power to do much damage in a fist fight.
> These guys swung wildly and did not hit particularly hard. I took a square
> shot on the face and was unfazed by it, except for some soreness the next day.
most people can't punch for shit. Soccer kicks to the head can really
suck, though.
> 3) Jiu Jitsu works. Period. Without the knowledge on how to use guard, even in
> a sport JJ class, this would have been really ugly. I came out with a ripped
> shirt, my friend was close to getting sent to the hospital. And, I don't mean
> Japanese JJ, I mean BJJ.
Yup. Undeniable.
> 4) the ground is not a bad place to be in a multiple opponent encounter. I was
> safer there, took less risk, less damage, than I did while upright, even
> defending against 2 people who were much larger, faster, and more violent than
> I was. When you have 450lbs of guys trying to swarm you in a fairly
> coordinated fashion and you are not on 11 as far as violence goes, it is very
> difficult to stay upright, and especially when you aren't dressed properly for
> it. My shoes had no traction. So, I let the earth cover my back and let one
> guy serve as a shield.
Why didn't you spin to knee on stomach? You still dodge the other guy
AND pound on the dude you have pinned.
> Streetfights are very fast and chaotic. If you're not ready and you don't have
> a plan and you can't count on your people, avoid them. Had I been sober or in
> fighting shape, I am fairly sure I could have taken both of these guys assuming
> no one else jumped in for them.
[snip]
Would you have used Karoddy, though? Doubtful.
Don Wagner
>As I understand it, the dudes you tangled with were irate because your
>drunken friend pounded on their car and then proceeded to give them bad
>lip about it. Why is it you assume your Rolex was in danger? That they
>were pissed off at your loudmouthed buddy doesn't make them jewel
>thieves, does it?
>
>Or is it you assume all black men are robbers?
>
>--
>Steve
I think Trav means that while grappling it didn't fall off or get
busted.
But then again he just might say that "Hell yeah they're robbers!"
just to crank your tail.
;-)
--Don--
Let me show you how the guards used to do it...
hal
<insert poorly rendered ascii-art raised hand here>
On 15 Jul 2002 18:27:07 GMT, Travie wrote:
>Hey, check this out, I was in an actual streetfight!
>
>Woo hoo.
Cock-a-doodle-doo, you mean, right?
>
>Anyway, here's the details - was out with a friend of mine at a club in DC.
>We're done and it's taking forever to get the buddy's Benz out of the garage,
Whaaa ! Poor spoiled rich boy. He had to wait for his Benz.
ROTFL !!!!!!!
>I learned a few things from this:
I learned something from this:
You really are an idiot and an asshole.
>
>1) don't go out with people who don't know when to keep their mouths shut. Had
>he simply walked away or talked away, this shit wouldn't have happened.
No DUH ! ????
Did somebody draw you a picture with crayons so you would understand
that?
>
>3) Jiu Jitsu works. Period.
Bullshit. One encounter. You got lucky.
>
>4) the ground is not a bad place to be in a multiple opponent encounter.
I am sure being on the ground is a usual place for you, whether you
are bleeding, crying, hiding, vomiting in the gutter, or looking for
roaches.
>Streetfights are very fast and chaotic. If you're not ready and you don't have
>a plan and you can't count on your people, avoid them.
Wow, he IS trainable.
>Had I had a JJ classmate with me,
>we'd have won, no doubt, but I wasn't with one of those guys.
If you were, then they probably would have had the courage to slap
"your guy" across the face and tell him to shut the fuck up.
Can't help but wonder, considering what a complete racist you are, if
you weren't enjoying watching your guy fuck with them. Hoping to see
some "nigger" blood, weren't you, Trav?
> These dudes
>fought smart together,
Smarter than you? That wouldn't be difficult. The Tae Kwon Do team
at the Special Olympics fight smarter than you Trav.
> I really wanted to
>blindside the smaller guy after he hit me,
Damn, missed the chance to blindside the smaller black guy. Ruined
your whole evening, didn't it?
>but my friend could not keep his
>mouth shut long enough for me to even start running at the damned guy. Oh
>well. Anyone got any comments?
Get some new friends.
I can't believe you actually shared that with us. Any normal person
would be ashamed.
Now the post "Real Street Encounter" by El Queso: that was an
honorable fight. Well done Mr. Cheese
Hal
>
>Trav
observa
Not really, you stoopid schmuck. One should stay sober to drive home
without killing someone. The possibility of having "fun" in a fight is just
incidental.
Alan Jeffery
"and drain deez nuts" <trav...@aol.cominyrface> wrote in message
news:20020717121311...@mb-mq.aol.com...
> >
> >Trav
> >
> >You were lucky. It doesn't sound like the guys who went for you were all
> >that serious.
> >
>
> They just wanted to kick some ass; that's usually how it is. People
aren't out
> there looking to kill people straight up - they tend to work their way
into it.
>
> >
> >Both of you blotto? Who was driving?
>
> I ended up driving.
>
> >Sounds like alround poor judgement.
> >One should stay sober, so the drunk one baits peole and the sober one can
> >beat up on them when they start beating hell out of the drunk. Just act
> >drunk until they attack.
>
> Oh yeah, right. I'm going to go out for hours and sit around sober at a
club,
> just in case I might have to attack two black guys in the street, one of
whom
> is running 250lbs of muscle. Ok, I'll think about it.
>
> Trav
Jason Steiner
> and drain deez nuts wrote:
> >
> > Well, DUH. If they'd had had a gun, my friend or I or both would
> > have gotten shot (at). Had I had a gun, there'd be two less
> > niggers in DC.
>
> But... but... There aren't any guns in DC. They're against the
> law! Right?
Right! Or at least, the odds are so highly stacked against it that
it's not a consideration.
> :P
Exactly.
jason
--
Alles, was deine Hand zu tun findet, das tue in deiner Kraft!
Denn es gibt weder Tun noch Berechnung, noch Kenntnis, noch
Weisheit im Scheol, in den du gehst.
Prediger 9:10
Steve Perry
<dawa...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> I think Trav means that while grappling it didn't fall off or get
> busted.
>
> But then again he just might say that "Hell yeah they're robbers!"
> just to crank your tail.
Don --
Seems to me the watch would be in more peril from going to the ground,
if the ground is asphalt, than it would be on the wrist of a man with
sense enough to depart the premises, but okay, let's let that pass.
Given Trav's history and his mentions of "spooks," "niggers," and other
such pleasantries over the years, I am just going with the idea that
ole Trav likes to pull somebody's tail. Me being a redneck-
cracker-coonass, I am hardly the champion of any race, including my
own, but c'mon, there are some things in this whole thread that are,
um, how shall we say? *bothersome* to anybody paying attention.
(I merely point out what to me seems obvious, and something nobody else
brought up: One needs to consider the story not simply on its face, but
what end it might serve, and, in so doing, one also needs consider the
source.)
I won't argue that BJJ doesn't work for folks some or even most of the
time. If you go to the ground, it's art of choice, isn't it? It has its
advantages, to be sure, though I am not convinced any of the players
has quite learned how to walk on water yet. But don't lets do my
art-is-better-than-yours again. I'll stipulate that a good BJJ player
has some useful skills.
Let's talk about Trav, a well-known, strident, in-your-face vocalist
here on rma who has beaten the grappling/BJJ drum so long and loud heąs
worn a hole in it, and who, by his report, can now say that it is fact
and not theory. He who has been accused of talking the talk but not
walking the walk; now, suddenly, he is a *walker,* so the rest of us
can just kindly shut the fuck up, thank you very much, the votes are
all in.
Could this be taken as self-serving? Mightn't somebody who has listened
to Trav rant about this for some time be forgiven for the teensiest bit
of wonder at the veracity of the tale? A slight raising of the eyebrow?
We have Trav, who, as I have mentioned, uses the terms łnigger˛ and
łspook˛ often enough so that his attitude about folks out of the
African diaspora might seem to somebody who didnąt know better,
flat-out racist. Here's Our Trav being beset by two aggressive fellows
of his apparently-least-favorite ethnic persuasion, and big, honkiną,
muscular, *bodybuilder* ones, at that.
These are certainly more impressive opponents than, say, two other
skinny, drunk, stoned lawyers would be, you think?
We have Trav, who was an artificial-Gandhi, he was so mellow, who
somehow found it within himself to step up and fight rather than walk
away. A man whose thoughts were clear even in that chaotic situation,
because, as he tells us, his thoughts are always clear, even when lit.
By traffic codes, a drug that makes you that mellow certainly impairs
most folksą judgement and physical abilties enough so it is apt to get
them a DUI if pulled over, but not Travąs.
Fascinating.
Am I calling ole Nuts a liar? No. Am I saying it certainly seems as if
this parking garage encounter was Godąs answer to a long-running Travis
prayer? Am I saying his report that he held off two bodybuilder-negroes
he says he would have shot had he had a gun, the pair totalling
450-pounds, using the unbeatable art of BJJ, whilst stoned, mind you,
to protect his drunken asshole buddy seems, well, a tad ... farfetched?
Why, yes, yes, I am saying exactly that.
Even if Trav believes every word as he told it, that isnąt necessarily
how it went down -- R Josephąs hilarious posting might be total
fiction, but it illustrates the idea that there could be other
viewpoints that might not tally with Travąs. People who have been at
any newsworthy event sometimes look at the daily broadsheet or Channel
Twoąs coverage and wonder where on Earth those reporters were, Ścause
they certainly werenąt *there* seeing the same thing unfold.
One needs to take a single report of an event involving several folks
with a grain of salt. Mayhaps a barrel of salt. Remember Rashomon.
--
Steve
@hotmail.com.invalid Eric D. Berge
<spe...@esasystreet.com> wrote:
>Let's talk about Trav, a well-known, strident, in-your-face vocalist
>here on rma who has beaten the grappling/BJJ drum so long and loud heąs
>worn a hole in it, and who, by his report, can now say that it is fact
>and not theory.
To be fair, he has on occasion pointed out that karate trained thugs
can be pretty tough, too.
But only if they do a real style like Isshin-ryu, which was, not
coincidentally, the style he trained in.
Matthew Weigel
>need to go from DOS to UNIX, dos2unix and unix2dos does nicely.
Solaris weenie.
Some of us use real Unix tools, rather than letting vendor lock-in set
in for no good reason.
Batman
>>> Anyone got any comments?
>>
>> Were there any hot chicks on cocaine?
>
>Yes. All of them.
yeah, I'm bettin when yer on coke, all the chicks, and most of the guys look
pretty hot.
-jeff (IH)
Batman
<170720021513060626%spe...@esasystreet.com>:
>Given Trav's history and his mentions of "spooks," "niggers," and other
>łnigger˛
>łspook˛
>negroes
You use those racially charged words more than anyone else I've seen on here
in months.
-jeff (IH)
Batman
<3ap4ha....@shell.gaydeceiver.com>:
>Kirk Lawson <NO_lklaw...@heapy.com> wrote:
>>
>> But... but... There aren't any guns in DC. They're against the
>> law! Right?
>
>Right! Or at least, the odds are so highly stacked against it that
>it's not a consideration.
>
>> :P
>
>Exactly.
yeah, when they talk about someone being shot in DC, the 'shooter' was using
his fingers. Thats one of those things you just have to know cause most of
the time the DC naives forget to mention it. Kinda like when a brit talks
about needing to 'torch a fag' to an american. He knows we misunderstand, but
he still doesn't explain it to us.
-jeff (IH)
Roger Taylor
You walked away unhurt - you won. Glad you made it. It sounds like
part of martial arts training is picking your friends carefully - with
friends like that, who needs enemies, as they say. Hope no one here is
churlish enough to earache you for being 'unprepared' ;-)
Cheers, and stay loose,
Roger Taylor
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Don Wagner
>Seems to me the watch would be in more peril from going to the ground,
>if the ground is asphalt, than it would be on the wrist of a man with
>sense enough to depart the premises, but okay, let's let that pass.
You won't get an arguement from me on this point. ;-) Sometimes shit
happens when the circumstances are ripe (drunk, disorderly, etc..)
>Given Trav's history and his mentions of "spooks," "niggers," and other
>such pleasantries over the years, I am just going with the idea that
>ole Trav likes to pull somebody's tail. Me being a redneck-
>cracker-coonass, I am hardly the champion of any race, including my
>own, but c'mon, there are some things in this whole thread that are,
>um, how shall we say? *bothersome* to anybody paying attention.
Eh, I can see it happening. I watched a garage attendant provoke a
fight between patrons in March just down the street from a couple of
NoHo clubs in NYC. While it didn't get beyond the 4 guys and their
assorted girlfriends shoving each others drunk/stoned asses to
pavement a few times, it easily could have played out to Travs story.
>(I merely point out what to me seems obvious, and something nobody else
>brought up: One needs to consider the story not simply on its face, but
>what end it might serve, and, in so doing, one also needs consider the
>source.)
I don't know, if it were a bragging sort of tale I'd expect less
humility.
>Let's talk about Trav, a well-known, strident, in-your-face vocalist
>here on rma who has beaten the grappling/BJJ drum so long and loud he零
>worn a hole in it, and who, by his report, can now say that it is fact
>and not theory. He who has been accused of talking the talk but not
>walking the walk; now, suddenly, he is a *walker,* so the rest of us
>can just kindly shut the fuck up, thank you very much, the votes are
>all in.
He's been pretty open about his experience and training (wrestling,
P/K, etc.). As far as I know he hasn't been prone to bragging about
fights with strangers, only how he's done in training.
But hey, none of us were there.
I wouldn't be cool with that particular scenario, for the record.
and drain deez nuts
>Trav
>
>Not really, you stoopid schmuck. One should stay sober to drive home
>without killing someone. The possibility of having "fun" in a fight is just
>incidental.
>
>Alan Jeffery
But what fun would it be if you couldn't unreasonably risk the lives of
innocents?!?!?!
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>drunken friend pounded on their car and then proceeded to give them bad
>lip about it. Why is it you assume your Rolex was in danger? That they
>were pissed off at your loudmouthed buddy doesn't make them jewel
>thieves, does it?
>
>Or is it you assume all black men are robbers?
>
>--
>Steve
Steve, are you really this dumb?
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>Given Trav's history and his mentions of "spooks," "niggers," and other
>such pleasantries over the years, I am just going with the idea that
>ole Trav likes to pull somebody's tail. Me being a redneck-
Gee, such racist lingo coming out of your mouth up there; I am appalled.
>Let's talk about Trav, a well-known, strident, in-your-face vocalist
>here on rma who has beaten the grappling/BJJ drum so long and loud heıs
>worn a hole in it,
Huh? I've been beating the BJJ drum? You need to do some reading, chump.
>He who has been accused of talking the talk but not
>walking the walk; now, suddenly, he is a *walker,* so the rest of us
>can just kindly shut the fuck up, thank you very much, the votes are
>all in.
Actually, I think my original post contained significantly less bluster than
you are attributing to me. I merely recounted the facts. I did not "win" that
fight in the middle of the street; I merely avoided serious injury to myself
and the person I was with who went out of his way to instigate all of this
mayhem.
>o didnıt know better,
>flat-out racist. Here's Our Trav being beset by two aggressive fellows
>of his apparently-least-favorite ethnic persuasion, and big, honkinı,
>muscular, *bodybuilder* ones, at that.
C'mon, man, I like niggers and niggers like me...wtf are you talkin bout,
Willis?
Only one of them was a bodybuilder, the other was just an above-average sized
guy.
>These are certainly more impressive opponents than, say, two other
>skinny, drunk, stoned lawyers would be, you think?
>
Next time, I hope they own the Expedition.
>We have Trav, who was an artificial-Gandhi, he was so mellow, who
>somehow found it within himself to step up and fight rather than walk
>away.
I tried to stay out of it but could not in good conscience, stand there while
my friend got kicked in the head repeatedly.
>
>By traffic codes, a drug that makes you that mellow certainly impairs
>most folksı judgement and physical abilties enough so it is apt to get
>them a DUI if pulled over, but not Travıs.
DUIs only happen if you blow .08. I hadn't drunk anything.
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>[snip]
>
>Hey. I thought you cut that damned mullet!
>
>[snip]
Todd...I never had a mullet.
I had rock star hair.
>
>My first comment is: You took Karate for over 10 years right? 10
>years of Kata and deadly one-steps. Yet knife hands and Osoto Gari
>didn't miracously spew forth from your *muscle memory*.
>
>Gee. What a shock.
It's been a while since I did any standup work at all. Had I still been
training at the karate school, it mostly would have been straight punches and
shit, no knife hand crap; I never even bothered to pay attention to that shit.
>And here I thought that is what Karoddy was for? That's what my old
>instructors would tell me, anyway. Bar fights. Multiples. Dress shoes.
>Yes. I distinctly remember that all that Karrody was supposed to
>cover.
Yeah, dress shoes - they were my biggest problem, to tell you the truth, and
something I always identified as a limitation to kicking. I used to kick
people in the head all the time but I would have slipped on Fri night had I
tried.
>Your mere *sport* wrestling experience and the few months you've done
>BJJ did flow right out and save your ass. Interesting.
Yes, amazing, huh?
>
>They must have been wearing thier nice clothes and didn't want to get
>down on the ground and get dirty. Lucky break.
>
The guy I had ahold of was dressed in something nice. The big dude just had a
T-shirt on. When you're as big as this fucker was, you can just wear T-shirts.
>
>I used to be that guy. One day there was nobody there to back me up
>like you so valiantly did. I learned me a lesson too. Keep my mouth
>shut and stay sober.
Well, had I won, it would have been "valiant." As it was, I just intervened
enough to keep him from getting seriously hurt.
>most people can't punch for shit. Soccer kicks to the head can really
>suck, though.
Yeah...I'm surprised my guy was able to get up after they were beating him.
Good thing he was drunk.
Next day, he was laid up in bed sore all over.
>
>Why didn't you spin to knee on stomach? You still dodge the other guy
>AND pound on the dude you have pinned.
I was on the bottom, not the top, that's why. I was nearly exclusively
concerned with where guy #2 was, not the guy I was gripping - I knew where that
fool was, right above me.
>Would you have used Karoddy, though? Doubtful.
>
Hmm...probably not. I used to hit like a load of bricks, but it probably would
have had to come down to wrestling technique unless I could kick them in the
head or something.
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>I learned something from this:
>
>You really are an idiot and an asshole.
>
yawn...why haven't I killfiled your stupid ass yet?
>>
>>3) Jiu Jitsu works. Period.
>
>Bullshit. One encounter. You got lucky.
I'd like to see you step up and try some shit, halboy.
>>Streetfights are very fast and chaotic. If you're not ready and you don't
>have
>>a plan and you can't count on your people, avoid them.
>
>Wow, he IS trainable.
This from TKD man. How pathetic.
>
>If you were, then they probably would have had the courage to slap
>"your guy" across the face and tell him to shut the fuck up.
No, we would have choked them out and gone over to your house to fuck your wife
DP.
>Can't help but wonder, considering what a complete racist you are, if
>you weren't enjoying watching your guy fuck with them. Hoping to see
>some "nigger" blood, weren't you, Trav?
I didn't expect him to throw a single punch, much less connect solidly enough
to hurt one of these guys.
>Smarter than you? That wouldn't be difficult. The Tae Kwon Do team
>at the Special Olympics fight smarter than you Trav.
You made the podium there, right?
>> I really wanted to
>>blindside the smaller guy after he hit me,
>
>Damn, missed the chance to blindside the smaller black guy. Ruined
>your whole evening, didn't it?
Basically.
>
>I can't believe you actually shared that with us. Any normal person
>would be ashamed.
>
>Now the post "Real Street Encounter" by El Queso: that was an
>honorable fight. Well done Mr. Cheese
>
>Hal
>
You are a pathetic troll.
Trav
Steve Perry
<FB0EA6EF700703D1.84FC2065...@lp.airnews.net>,
Batman <bat...@batcave.edu> wrote:
>
> >łnigger˛
> >łspook˛
> >negroes
>
> You use those racially charged words more than anyone else I've seen on here
> in months.
>
>
> -jeff (IH)
Quoting Trav. You need to get out more.
--
Steve
Steve Perry
deez nuts <trav...@aol.cominyrface> wrote:
> DUIs only happen if you blow .08. I hadn't drunk anything.
>
> Trav
Laws must be different in your part of the country. Driving Under the
Influence of Intoxicants citatations are not limited to alcohol, never
have been, and failing or passing the breath analyzer is only one
factor in a jury's decision, at least in the rest of the states.
And as for how stupid I am or my ability to read, however bad they may
be, why, they absolutely pale in comparison to your own stupidity and
reading abilities. I am impressed, however, that you waited for at
least two posts before you started name-calling.
--
Steve
Jacob Andersen
news:20020717122039...@mb-mq.aol.com...
> >It's been said before and most people don't wanna hear it - but don't do
> >drugs.
>
> blah blah blah...look both ways, don't drink and drive, wash behind the
ears,
> if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all, just
say no,
> wear a condom, put the seat down - what are you, my mother?!??!
People who drink and drive should be taken aside and beat with a stick for
48 hours per one minute of drunk driving. And it's not you that I want to
protect it's the people you run into, and to a lesser degree the property
you might destroy. It's little better than shooting into a dark room, so
would you please refrain from doing it again, thank you.
>
> >Period. If you *have* to do drugs (prescription) and they don't mix well
> >with
> >alcohol, don't drink.
If it's not actually dangerous to do so, drink all you want. But don't
fucking DRIVE while intoxicated, OK.
> Period. Otherwise you take your chances. I've done a
> >lot of bouncing work over the years, and one thing >that's become very
clear
> >to
> >me is that people who are high and/or drunk are generally *very* easy to
beat
> >in a fight, regardless of how big/strong/skilled they might be otherwise.
>
> Yep. That's why I needed a JJ classmate there. We'd have won anyway.
>
> That's the thing I like so much about BJJ - you CAN fight high or drunk
with
> it.
Yeah, if your balance is fucked the ground sure looks comfy.
/Jacob