How many chi meridian points?

David O'Daniel

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Nov 5, 2012, 11:56:31 PM11/5/12

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Just starting on meridians; I'm currently working on the Lung meridian
points that are 11 points. So far, I've got the names of the 1st & 1nd
lung meridian points learned. The Stomach meridian has 45 points IIRC &
another (maybe gal bladder but I can't recall) has at east 62 it seems.
I totalled up what I think is 318 total acupuncture/pressure meridian
points; is that the correct total?

Other than the 12 basic meridians, there is I think at least 2 more,
spine & maybe brain(?) and perhaps other non-organ meridians, right?

Bo

GreenDistantStar

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Nov 6, 2012, 3:05:12 AM11/6/12

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Seeing as they're all nonsense, just make your own up, no-one will know any better.

Mighty Wannabe

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Nov 6, 2012, 4:02:50 AM11/6/12

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The paedophile's buddy, shameless truckwasher "GreenDistantStar (GDS),
is spamming our newsgroup again. Why don't you fuck off and die
together with your paedophile buddy?

Mighty Wannabe

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Nov 6, 2012, 4:09:21 AM11/6/12

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Here is a good reference material:

Channels or jing luo 經絡 (meridians) and xue 穴 (acupoints)
http://thedao.com/jing_luo.htm
The Fourteen Channels (meridians)
http://thedao.com/Fourteen%20Channels.htm
Fourteen Channels and Their Commonly Used Points (xue)
http://thedao.com/commonly_used_points.htm

Mighty Wannabe

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Nov 6, 2012, 4:39:28 AM11/6/12

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More specifically, other than the 12 basic meridians, you have 2
more:
http://thedao.com/du_mai.htm
http://thedao.com/ren_channel.htm

The acupuncture points of the 13th and 14th channel are here near the
bottom of the page:
http://thedao.com/commonly%20Used%20Points.htm

David O'Daniel

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Nov 6, 2012, 5:56:01 AM11/6/12

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Thanks Wannabe.

Here is the site that I've been studying:
http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupuncturepoints/locations_theory_and_clinical_applications
It loads slow though for my webtv. I've seen the other 2 meridians,
Spine & whatever the other was, brain maybe? mentioned on youtube videos
when I get to the local library computers.

acu-points are used as reference points & usually striking or pressing
in to cause pain or other effects, in some styles of Karate or advanced
karate. Patrick McCarthy uses them for example. Sadly, I did not get
much of his video DVD set of secrets of karate & kobudo before they went
out of print or rather unavailable.

Bo

Mighty Wannabe

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Nov 6, 2012, 6:52:56 AM11/6/12

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On Nov 6, 6:00 am, Bojut...@webtv.net (David O'Daniel) wrote:
> Thanks Wannabe.
>
> Here is the site that I've been studying:
http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupuncturepoints/locations_theory_and_clinical_applications
> It loads slow though for my webtv. I've seen the other 2 meridians,
> Spine & whatever the other was, brain maybe? mentioned on youtube videos
> when I get to the local library computers.
>

That looks like a very good site. I will go through the website when I
have time.

I found that the 13th and the 14th channels are in that website:
http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupuncturepoints/conceptionvessel_meridian_graphic
http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupuncturepoints/governingvessel_meridian_graphic

> acu-points are used as reference points & usually striking or pressing
> in to cause pain or other effects, in some styles of Karate or advanced
> karate. Patrick McCarthy uses them for example. Sadly, I did not get
> much of his video DVD set of secrets of karate & kobudo before they went
> out of print or rather unavailable.
>
>

I have found a pdf and an instructional video of pressure points on
Bit Torrent. If you have high-speed internet access, I can post the
torrents so that you can download them yourself.

Mighty Wannabe

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Nov 6, 2012, 6:53:19 AM11/6/12

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On Nov 6, 6:00 am, Bojut...@webtv.net (David O'Daniel) wrote:
> Thanks Wannabe.
>
> Here is the site that I've been studying:
http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupuncturepoints/locations_theory_and_clinical_applications
> It loads slow though for my webtv. I've seen the other 2 meridians,
> Spine & whatever the other was, brain maybe? mentioned on youtube videos
> when I get to the local library computers.
>

That looks like a very good site. I will go through the website when I
have time.

I found that the 13th and the 14th channels are in that website:
http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupuncturepoints/conceptionvessel_meridian_graphic
http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupuncturepoints/governingvessel_meridian_graphic

> acu-points are used as reference points & usually striking or pressing
> in to cause pain or other effects, in some styles of Karate or advanced
> karate. Patrick McCarthy uses them for example. Sadly, I did not get
> much of his video DVD set of secrets of karate & kobudo before they went
> out of print or rather unavailable.
>
>

Mighty Wannabe

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Nov 6, 2012, 7:23:08 AM11/6/12

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On Nov 6, 6:53 am, Mighty Wannabe <mightwann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 6:00 am, Bojut...@webtv.net (David O'Daniel) wrote:> Thanks Wannabe.
>
> > Here is the site that I've been studying:
>

> http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupuncturepoints/locations_theory_and_cl...

>
> > It loads slow though for my webtv. I've seen the other 2 meridians,
> > Spine & whatever the other was, brain maybe? mentioned on youtube videos
> > when I get to the local library computers.
>
> That looks like a very good site. I will go through the website when I
> have time.
>
> I found that the 13th and the 14th channels are in that website:
> http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupuncturepoints/conceptionvessel_meridian_graphic
> http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupuncturepoints/governingvessel_meridian_graphic
>

The "Conception Vessel Meridian" starting point CV1 is between the
annus and the scrotum in the depiction with a male mannequin. The
intrinsic meaning of the Chinese word for that meridian is
"Pregnancy", so the starting point CV1 is the vagina of a woman.

GreenDistantStar

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Nov 6, 2012, 7:35:06 AM11/6/12

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You poor, pathetic loser. 'Our newsgroup'? Bwahahaha!!! Yes, it's inhabited by you, a chi-ball thrower and the pedo Lifshine. All the regs who've been here for 15 years plus are elsewhere, having a ball and laughing their asses off at you. Enjoy your delusions of chi and your patty-cake kung fu. You've wasted your miserable life on rubbish.

Mighty Wannabe

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Nov 6, 2012, 10:58:49 AM11/6/12

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On Nov 6, 7:35 am, GreenDistantStar <GreenDistantS...@gmail.com>

Go fuck off and die, and bring the paedophile you brought into our
group with you, you shameless and useless leg-humping troll.

David O'Daniel

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Nov 7, 2012, 12:17:22 AM11/7/12

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If the inner pathways of skill/mind intent can be used to heal or cause
other reactions apart from the awareness of the person being treated or
struck or whatever, then experimentation should prove or disprove its
effectiveness or lack thereof.

No chi?... Next you'll be saying there are no aliens? >;-) And do little
green men need green-cards?

Bo

David O'Daniel

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Nov 7, 2012, 12:19:04 AM11/7/12

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Oh, & no, I'm not on high-speed, I'm on webtv, aka, super slow speed. No
PDF either. Thanks anway tough.

Bo

Mighty Wannabe

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Nov 7, 2012, 1:17:22 AM11/7/12

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On Nov 7, 12:20 am, Bojut...@webtv.net (David O'Daniel) wrote:
> If the inner pathways of skill/mind intent can be used to heal or cause
> other reactions apart from the awareness of the person being treated or
> struck or whatever, then experimentation should prove or disprove its
> effectiveness or lack thereof.
>

Acupuncture and "chi" was demonstrated to President Nixon's entourage
to China in the 1970s when a patient underwent surgery with the belly
cut open without chemical anaesthesia. Acupuncture was used to numb
the pain and the patient was fully conscious during the surgery.

> No chi?... Next you'll be saying there are no aliens? >;-) And do little
> green men need green-cards?
>
> Bo

The existence of chi circulating in our body is a certainty, but I
think "no touch knock-out with chi bolt" is an exaggeration.

Mighty Wannabe

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Nov 7, 2012, 1:30:21 AM11/7/12

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I am about to watch President Obama delivering his re-election victory
speech on CNN live. I hope all Americans can have universal
healthcare just like citizens of better countries in the world do. I
also hope the economy will pick up and you can do better in coming
years.

The Viking

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Nov 7, 2012, 7:14:58 AM11/7/12

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Here is a good idea for you - why don't you and WREO leave and start your own newsgroup. I am sure you have much to talk about and would enjoy each other's company and conversation immensely.

The Viking

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Nov 7, 2012, 7:15:50 AM11/7/12

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Yeah he has done such a wonderful job of wrecking it the last four years.

The Viking

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Nov 7, 2012, 8:07:37 AM11/7/12

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You are studying this why? I rather doubt there is much scientific evidence they mean anything. For those that say they heal, I would remind them that placebos have been found to be 35% effective.
I suspect this a mumbo jumbo placebo operation and not something established by empirical scientific studies.

Timo

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Nov 7, 2012, 6:08:54 PM11/7/12

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On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 11:07:37 PM UTC+10, The Viking wrote:
>
> You are studying this why? I rather doubt there is much scientific evidence they mean anything. For those that say they heal, I would remind them that placebos have been found to be 35% effective.
>
> I suspect this a mumbo jumbo placebo operation and not something established by empirical scientific studies.

Acupuncture does work, as tested by empirical scientific studies. What it works better than is no treatment, and non-acupuncture placebos. "Placebo acupuncture", where needles are stuck in the body, but not in the theoretically correct acupuncture points, works too. Which suggests that the theory is wrong. But sticking needles in people does do something.

Success of veterinary acupuncture also says that sticking needles in does something.

Especially in view of the success of placebo acupuncture, the success of acupuncture doesn't say anything about qi.

The Viking

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Nov 7, 2012, 10:42:39 PM11/7/12

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupuncture

Timo

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Nov 7, 2012, 11:22:33 PM11/7/12

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On Thursday, November 8, 2012 1:42:39 PM UTC+10, The Viking wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 5:08:54 PM UTC-6, Timo wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 11:07:37 PM UTC+10, The Viking wrote:
> >
> > > You are studying this why? I rather doubt there is much scientific evidence they mean anything. For those that say they heal, I would remind them that placebos have been found to be 35% effective.
> >
> > > I suspect this a mumbo jumbo placebo operation and not something established by empirical scientific studies.
> >
> > Acupuncture does work, as tested by empirical scientific studies. What it works better than is no treatment, and non-acupuncture placebos. "Placebo acupuncture", where needles are stuck in the body, but not in the theoretically correct acupuncture points, works too. Which suggests that the theory is wrong. But sticking needles in people does do something.
>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupuncture

Specifically, the 3rd paragraph.

And as well as refs 15-18 (cited in that paragraph), Jung A, Shin BC, Lee MS, Sim H, Ernst E., "Acupuncture for treating temporomandibular joint disorders: a systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized sham controlled trials", J Dent 2011;39(5):341-50.

The Viking

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Nov 8, 2012, 1:33:31 PM11/8/12

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Which is not conclusive.

GreenDistantStar

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Nov 8, 2012, 9:53:22 PM11/8/12

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It's grasping at straws, Herb.

David O'Daniel

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Nov 9, 2012, 12:46:49 AM11/9/12

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Hence where I suggested that it would be easy to test, by using people
unaware or even unconscious during the treatment or attack.

Why study this; I'm not interested in the acu"puncture" needles, myself.
They are used as striking & reference points as well. Acupressure mayne.
Use offensively in a fight though, rather than the healing side of it,
is another reason to study the system.

Even depicted on an episode of Happydays, where some nerve lock or
acupressure point paralyzed or seemed to paralyze people. The episode
with the idiot who had studied karate to get revenge on Fonzie for
pushing him off osme swing when they were kids. Then his "ulitmate kick"
was a roundhouse kick to the body.... Regardless of the writers & actors
getting it wrong, the grain of truth that striking or other offensive
techniques can cause effect in an opponent, if the opponent believes in
it or even is aware of it or not.

Several Shaw Brother's movies had striking points effects as themes.

One youtube video <a long one> describes this highly advanced level of
Okinawan Karate as secrets that are intentionally mistaught at
under-maser level or at least under black-belt. Describing it as ging in
the reverseorder or paths than the healing.

I don't remember the orders = not yet really learned them but one way,
however it is, heals & helps, other way causes harm & reduces chi rather
than increases it or something. So say, Earth, wood, fire sequence of
points may heal but then the reverse perhaps Fire destroys wood destroys
earth <probably NOT the actual patterns>, would do damage rather than
healing.

Really though, it was that many masters of karate use the acu-points &
meridians as reference points for various techniques &/or concepts, as
why I becameinterested in this field.

Bo

TimR

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Nov 9, 2012, 9:01:09 AM11/9/12

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If you really want to learn this stuff, study with Benny Hinn.

His stuff clearly works, on live tv with no special effects.

Of course, the reason it works is not what he claims. You need to get past that, just as you need to get past all this chi meridian BS.

The Viking

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Nov 9, 2012, 10:00:36 AM11/9/12

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OK I am interested where is the you tube video and what is the " Shaw Brothers" movies?

Timo

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Nov 9, 2012, 10:54:24 PM11/9/12

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On Saturday, November 10, 2012 1:00:37 AM UTC+10, The Viking wrote:
>
> OK I am interested where is the you tube video and what is the " Shaw Brothers" movies?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Shaw_Brothers_films

The first Shaw Brothers movie I saw was One-Armed Swordsman, when it was a new release.

nemo_outis

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Nov 10, 2012, 12:30:12 PM11/10/12

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Timo <ti...@physics.uq.edu.au> wrote in
news:3b5860b7-eac6-482d...@googlegroups.com:

Shaw Bros. Movies - Ah, that takes me back to my misspent youth.

Regards,

Tsukino Usagi

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Dec 9, 2012, 8:09:51 AM12/9/12

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On 06/11/2012 1:56 PM, David O'Daniel wrote:
> Just starting on meridians; I'm currently working on the Lung meridian
> points that are 11 points.

... how?

> So far, I've got the names of the 1st & 1nd
> lung meridian points learned.

... why?

> The Stomach meridian has 45 points IIRC &
> another (maybe gal bladder but I can't recall) has at east 62 it seems.
> I totalled up what I think is 318 total acupuncture/pressure meridian
> points; is that the correct total?

Almost certainly not, for reasons better left unexplained at this stage.

> Other than the 12 basic meridians, there is I think at least 2 more,
> spine & maybe brain(?) and perhaps other non-organ meridians, right?
>
> Bo

Spine and brain. I lol'd.

TimR

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Dec 10, 2012, 1:00:07 PM12/10/12

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Uh, you are fluent in Mandarin, right?