who is barack obama?
suds macheath
American's duty to read this message and pass it along to all of their
friends and loved ones.
Barack Obama wears a FLAG PIN at all times. Even in the shower.
Barack Obama says the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE every time he sees an
American flag. He also ends every sentence by saying, "WITH LIBERTY AND
JUSTICE FOR ALL." Click here for video of Obama quietly mouthing the
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE in his sleep.
A tape exists of Michelle Obama saying the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE at a
conference on PATRIOTISM.
Every weekend, Barack and Michelle take their daughters HUNTING.
Barack Obama is a PATRIOTIC AMERICAN. He has one HAND over his HEART at
all times. He occasionally switches when one arm gets tired, which is
almost never because he is STRONG.
Barack Obama has the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE tattooed on his
stomach. It's upside-down, so he can read it while doing sit-ups.
There's only one artist on Barack Obama's iPod: FRANCIS SCOTT KEY.
Barack Obama is a DEVOUT CHRISTIAN. His favorite book is the BIBLE,
which he has memorized. His name means HE WHO LOVES JESUS in the ancient
language of Aramaic. He is PROUD that Jesus was an American.
Barack Obama goes to church every morning. He goes to church every
afternoon. He goes to church every evening. He is IN CHURCH RIGHT NOW.
Barack Obama's new airplane includes a conference room, a kitchen, and a
MEGACHURCH.
Barack Obama's skin is the color of AMERICAN SOIL.
Barack Obama buys AMERICAN STUFF. He owns a FORD, a BASEBALL TEAM, and a
COMPUTER HE BUILT HIMSELF FROM AMERICAN PARTS. He travels mostly by
FORKLIFT.
Barack Obama says that Americans cling to GUNS and RELIGION because they
are AWESOME.
Herbert Cannon
capable of resisting the advancing tide of barbarism, keep of Castle Earth,
is seriously contemplating elevating to the presidency Barack Obama, an
effete academic weakling, a messianic soothsayer, perfervid followers in
tow, who believes America's collective soul is broken and that He has been
called to mend it, a caricature Euro Statist whose voting record and public
utterances reflect passionate belief in all the discredited far leftist
critiques of America (and their attendant fixes), a dreamy naif with a
permanently adolescent world view born of lifelong refusal to work in the
real world, a thinly disguised leftist revolutionary who for decades eagerly
immersed himself in a vile crowd of crypto-Marxists, quislings, racists,
domestic terrorists, and antisemites, and who now simply says, calm as you
please, he never really shared their views, a twenty-eight carat tyro whose
resume of accomplishments would fit neatly on the back of a Visa card, a man
whose scary wife (whom the candidate himself seems to fear) dislikes the
country that has showered her with great good fortune."
Herbert Cannon
time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he
logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate
was actually in session and working. After 143 days of work experience,
Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free
World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.
143 days. I keep leftovers in my refrigerator longer than that."
Columnist Cheri Jacobus
The dog from that film you saw
"Herbert Cannon" <hcan...@cox.net> wrote in message
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i'm not going around her house for dinner then.
--
Gareth.
that fly...... is your magic wand....
suds macheath
>
> "Herbert Cannon" <hcan...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:cRa7k.1759$%q....@newsfe24.lga...
>> "From the time Barrack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator,
>> to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory
>> committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how
>> many days the Senate was actually in session and working. After 143
>> days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander
>> In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham
>> Lincoln,
----Another guy with nominal experience.....
FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.
----The hardest part about filling Reagan's shoes is being able to sleep
through meetings....
"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored
under a desk."
Ronald Reagan (Republican candidate for president), quoted in the
Burlington (Vermont) Free Press, February 15, 1980
"We were told four years ago that 17 million people went to bed hungry
every night. Well, that was probably true. They were all on a diet."
Ronald Reagan, TV speech, October 27, 1964
"Reagan's only contribution [to the subject of the MX missile]
throughout the entire hour and a half was to interrupt somewhere at
midpoint to tell us he'd watched a movie the night before, and he gave
us the plot from WarGames, the movie. That was his only contribution."
Lee Hamilton (Representative from Indiana) interviewed by Haynes
Johnson, Sleepwalking Through History: America in the Reagan Years
"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."
British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher
suds macheath
---Did ya write this one yourself, dimmie? No quote cite for us?
suds macheath
Republican shill/strategist Cheri Jacobus is on CNN claiming that the
Nobel Peace Prize committee gave Al Gore the Nobel Peace Prize because…
they’re looking for publicity.
That’s right, the Nobel Institute is just all about getting their name
out there so they can sell more copies of Nobel magazine. That Gandhi
centerfold they had a few months ago was IN FUEGO.
and.....
Jacobus falsely asserted that "every other elected member to Congress"
had sworn in on the Bible," echoing Townhall.com columnist Dennis
Prager's baseless attacks. In fact, as Media Matters for America noted,
even Prager admitted that some "Jews have used only the Old Testament."
For instance, according to the newspaper The Forward, Rep. Debbie
Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) refused to swear in on one of outgoing Speaker
Dennis Hastert's Christian Bibles and used a Hebrew Bible provided by
Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-NY).
Here is a prime example of the mighty intellects Republican shill Cannon
worships....
suds macheath
"I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let
me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who
murdered 3000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again.It was a
terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an Al
Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence
about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we
will."
If McBush had said this, Cannon would lead the brass band in his parade.....
suds macheath
trav...@aol.com
didn't Raygun, Clitton, and Busch get elected based upon little more
than hopes and dreams??
Trav
trav...@aol.com
Who gives a fuck?
Busch is a cokehead and he made it as President.
Trav
Herbert Cannon
>
> That’s right, the Nobel Institute is just all about getting their name out
> there so they can sell more copies of Nobel magazine. That Gandhi
> centerfold they had a few months ago was IN FUEGO.
Isn't that the institute that gave Arafat a peace prize? The guy who is on
tape ordering the murder of two American diplomats. I would give it back.
But then that takes some integrity to do that and none to tout the prize.
Herbert Cannon
<trav...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Who gives a fuck?
Duds and apparently you..
Busch is a cokehead and he made it as President.
How is that nose candy?
Herbert Cannon
Busch is a cokehead and he made it as President.
Yeah and you gotta admit he has killed a lot of Arabs.
Herbert Cannon
>
>
> "Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."
> British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher
>
>
>
>
trav...@aol.com
>
> Duds and apparently you..
And apparently you too, as you were the first replier on this thread,
moron.
> Busch is a cokehead and he made it as President.
>
> How is that nose candy?
How the fuck would I know?
Trav
Herbert Cannon
<trav...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> Who gives a fuck?
>>
>> Duds and apparently you..
>
> And apparently you too, as you were the first replier on this thread,
> moron.
Cut&paste
>
>> Busch is a cokehead and he made it as President.
>>
>> How is that nose candy?
>
> How the fuck would I know?
>
Dont talk w/o a lawyer.
Herbert Cannon
)>
> ---Did ya write this one yourself, dimmie? No quote cite for us?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o
Herbert Cannon
"suds macheath" <sudsm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> "Herbert Cannon" <hcan...@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:cRa7k.1759$%q....@newsfe24.lga...
>>> "From the time Barrack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to
>>> the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory
>>> committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how
>>> many days the Senate was actually in session and working. After 143
>>> days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In
>>> Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln,
>
> ----Another guy with nominal experience.....
>
> FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.
>
> ----The hardest part about filling Reagan's shoes is being able to sleep
> through meetings....
" I will not his youth and inexperience against him." Or how Reagan won the
Presidency with a one liner. Bye bye Dukkassas.
Herbert Cannon
The Obama Tidal Wave
We are witnessing a political phenomenon with Barack Obama of rare
magnitude. His speeches have inspired millions and yet most of his followers
have no idea of what he stands for except platitudes of 'Change' or that he
says he will be a 'Uniter'. The power of speech from a charismatic person
truly can be a powerful thing.
Certainly Billy Graham had charisma and both his manner of speech and
particularly the content changed millions. On the extreme other hand, the
charisma of Adolph Hitler inspired millions and the results were
catastrophic. Barack Obama certainly is neither a Hitler nor a Billy Graham,
but for many Americans out there feeling just like a surfer who might be
ecstatic and euphoric while riding a tidal wave, the real story is what
happens when it hits shore.
Just Some of What Defines Barack Obama:
* He voted against banning partial birth abortion.
* He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions
* He supports affirmative action (racial preferences) in Colleges and
Government.
* In 2001, he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing. Instead, says he
will deal with street level drug dealing as a minimum wage affair.
* He admitted his own marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in
college.
* His religious convictions are very murky - even before the Rev. Wright
fiasco.
* He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to negotiate our cooperation.
* Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have
a conference with all Muslim nations.
* He opposed the Patriot Act which has kept 9/11 terrorists from further
success on U.S. soil.
* The first bill he signed that also passed was campaign finance reform.
* He voted No on prohibiting frivolous law suits against gun manufacturers.
* He supports universal health-care similar to Europe and Canada (the rich
from there come here for better health care).
* He voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees (war
prisoners in our courts??).
* He supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants even though
that ID would, for instance, allow them to vote.
* He supports extending all welfare benefits to illegal immigrants.
* He voted yes on the comprehensive immigration reform bill that failed
after a public outcry against amnesty.
* He voted yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.
* He wants to make the minimum wage a 'living wage'.
* He voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.
* He is a big believer in the separation of church and state - no religion
in the public square.
* He is opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead
supports massive increase in the amount of tax paid.
* He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax
* He voted No on repealing the 'Death' Tax
* He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.
* He has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded; and will
retreat as rapidly as possible regardless of conditions on the ground.
* He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that
takes some doing.
h...@nospam.org
<hcan...@cox.net> wrote:
>Just Some of What Defines Barack Obama:
>
>* He voted against banning partial birth abortion.
good. A decision between a woman and her doctor the state has no
business interfering in.
>* He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions
good.
>* He supports affirmative action (racial preferences) in Colleges and
>Government.
good
>* In 2001, he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing. Instead, says he
>will deal with street level drug dealing as a minimum wage affair.
good !
>* He admitted his own marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in
>college.
good for him.
>* His religious convictions are very murky - even before the Rev. Wright
>fiasco.
horseshit. He's a devout Christian. I'll try not to hold that
against him.
>* He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and
>Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to negotiate our cooperation.
good
>* Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have
>a conference with all Muslim nations.
good
>* He opposed the Patriot Act which has kept 9/11 terrorists from further
>success on U.S. soil.
good. And horseshit. The Patriot Act has done nothing except deprive
honest Americans of their rights.
>* The first bill he signed that also passed was campaign finance reform.
good
>* He voted No on prohibiting frivolous law suits against gun manufacturers.
define frivolous
>* He supports universal health-care similar to Europe and Canada (the rich
>from there come here for better health care).
good
>* He voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees (war
>prisoners in our courts??).
good !
>* He supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants even though
>that ID would, for instance, allow them to vote.
ok, not real crazy about that one
>* He supports extending all welfare benefits to illegal immigrants.
bad
>* He voted yes on the comprehensive immigration reform bill that failed
>after a public outcry against amnesty.
bad
>* He voted yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.
bad
>* He wants to make the minimum wage a 'living wage'.
and why shouldn't it be?
>* He voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.
well he IS a Democrat
>* He is a big believer in the separation of church and state - no religion
>in the public square.
good, good, good
>* He is opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead
>supports massive increase in the amount of tax paid.
good, the very worst thing we could do is privatize SS
>* He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax
good
>* He voted No on repealing the 'Death' Tax
good
>* He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.
good
>* He has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded;
it hasn't
> and will
>retreat as rapidly as possible regardless of conditions on the ground.
we need to get our kids out of Iraq regardless
>* He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that
>takes some doing.
my guess is the moron who wrote this doesn't even know what a liberal
is.
Hal
suds macheath
suds macheath
---More like the Dems lost the election through a mismanaged campaign...
Bye bye Dukkassas.
---Hello dead marines, arms for hostages and exploding budget deficits...
suds macheath
>> That’s right, the Nobel Institute is just all about getting their name out
>> there so they can sell more copies of Nobel magazine. That Gandhi
>> centerfold they had a few months ago was IN FUEGO.
>
> Isn't that the institute that gave Arafat a peace prize?
---According to this source, he got a third of a prize.
Shimon Perez and Yitzhak Rabin each got a third for their contributions
to peace in the middle east.
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1994/
The guy who is on
> tape ordering the murder of two American diplomats.
Before or after the Nobel?
I also remember that he was first in line to donate blood to the 9/11
victims....
I would give it back.
---Sure you would. Peace is an anathema to war mongers....
> But then that takes some integrity to do that and none to tout the prize.
---Still doesn't change the dishonesty of your "columnist"....
suds macheath
> Busch is a cokehead and he made it as President.
>
> Yeah and you gotta admit he has killed a lot of Arabs.
>
>
suds macheath
>> Who gives a fuck?
>>
>> Duds and apparently you..
>
> And apparently you too, as you were the first replier on this thread,
> moron.
---He was too dim to notice it for the joke it was....
I doubt he even read it, he just chomped on the bare hook....
Herbert Cannon
But he did not sell out his own like Murtha and kill his own like you
liberals do:
http://www.amazon.com/Lone-Survivor-Eyewitness-Account-Operation/dp/0316067598
Herbert Cannon
> trav...@aol.cominyrface wrote:
>>> Who gives a fuck?
>>>
>>> Duds and apparently you..
>>
>> And apparently you too, as you were the first replier on this thread,
>> moron.
>
> ---He was too dim to notice it for the joke it was....
> I doubt he even read it, he just chomped on the bare hook....
HAHAHAHA -Cut an paste for me caused you to get really get bothered and post
all over the place.
Herbert Cannon
Goodbye Soviets.
>
Herbert Cannon
> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>> That’s right, the Nobel Institute is just all about getting their name
>>> out there so they can sell more copies of Nobel magazine. That Gandhi
>>> centerfold they had a few months ago was IN FUEGO.
>>
>> Isn't that the institute that gave Arafat a peace prize?
>
> ---According to this source, he got a third of a prize.
They dont give the prize in thirds moron.
> Shimon Perez and Yitzhak Rabin each got a third for their contributions to
> peace in the middle east.
> http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1994/
>
>
> The guy who is on
>> tape ordering the murder of two American diplomats.
> Before or after the Nobel?
>
> I also remember that he was first in line to donate blood to the 9/11
> victims....
WOW that is like the Mafia donating to the catholic church.
>
> I would give it back.
>
> ---Sure you would. Peace is an anathema to war mongers....
"I will never send American boys to do what Asian boys ought to do,"
President Lyndon Baines Johnson, Liberal Democrat.
>
>> But then that takes some integrity to do that and none to tout the prize.
>
> ---Still doesn't change the dishonesty of your "columnist"....
Nor your lack of integrity.
>
>
Herbert Cannon
> If McBush had said this, Cannon would lead the brass band in his
> parade.....
Herbert Cannon
<h...@nospam.org> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:44:01 -0500, "Herbert Cannon"
> <hcan...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Just Some of What Defines Barack Obama:
>>
>>* He voted against banning partial birth abortion.
>
> good. A decision between a woman and her doctor the state has no
> business interfering in.
>
dont - so dont be a hypocrite and try to defend a vote against it.
Sam the Bam
> There are many things people do not know about BARACK OBAMA. It is every
> American's duty to read this message and pass it along to all of their
> friends and loved ones.
>
> Barack Obama wears a FLAG PIN at all times. Even in the shower.
"This isn't about politics."
- Barack Obama, campaign speech, Philadelphia, April 22, 2008
Sam
Sam the Bam
> >* He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that
> >takes some doing.
>
> my guess is the moron who wrote this doesn't even know what
> a liberal is.
Lenin, Stalin, Mao Zedong?
Sam
Mark Goldberg
others children, and women and whatever accidents of war took place on
the US side, they pale, utterly, compared to the purposefully
slaugtered, butchered, and homicided women and children.
But he does not care.... that much is clear.
Mark
Herbert Cannon
>
>>* He has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded;
>
> it hasn't
Sorry, it has. It has been widely reported as succeeding even in the New
York Times.
Herbert Cannon
1961 - Selma had no effect on your
birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google 'Obama Selma' for his full March 4,
2007 speech and articles about its various
untruths.)
2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated
youth, who went on to work with the
Kenyan Government.
3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the
most corrupt and violent governments
Kenya has ever had.
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila
Odinga has created mass violence
in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the
first widespread violence in decades.
The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and
establish Muslim Sharia law.
Your half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your
New Hampshire campaigning to
speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification
of that....and for more.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ibd/080115/issues.html?.v=1
Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia
muslim law in place there. When Odinga
lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then
burned men, women and children alive in
a Christian church where they took shelter. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin
before the election process here
started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know
the truth.
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily
Salat prayers at 5am according to
her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have
been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka'
(from which Barack came) means
'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first
Arab-American President, not the first
black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's
side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25%
African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father
was from Kenya, his father's family
was mainly Arabs. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro
and 87.5% Arab (his father's
birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and
for more....go to.....
http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-American,_only_6.25%25_
African
7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where
you were registered as a Muslim and
kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could
run for office.
4-3-08 Article "Obama was 'quite religious in islam'"
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559
8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as
Muslim there and got in trouble in
Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).
February 28, 2008.
Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago:
Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting
them with a first-
rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give
Alabama voters heart
attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as "one of the prettiest
sounds on Earth at
sunset."
This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says
"Obama's narrative is
being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts."
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak
the language.
10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR,
you were there from the ages of 6
to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to
study the Koran and watch cartoons.
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise)
and the Middle East (bigger surprise),
you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience
with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite
content in high school to be Barry
Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your
classmates said you were just fine.
13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to
find the article you mention in your
book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet
to find the article you mention in
your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - LIAR, here you are, despite
saying, live on TV, that you would not
have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience
first.
16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU,
but not many others have 130 NO
VOTES.
17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and
democrats, did you beg to change your
misvote.
18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON
LEAVE.
20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn't write
it,introduce it, change it, or create it.
21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from
start to finish.
22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own
party for its pandering and lack of
all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which
David Axelrod came.
23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills
you sponsored or voted for have
yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of a
large group of people who
remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in
your books.
25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies
were just combined into a proposal
which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own supporters
claim to have not seen BOLD action
on your part.
27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR
bills, but rather handed to you, after
their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher
office.
28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Canadian Government
issued the names and a memo
of the conversation your campaign had with them.
29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on
terrorism and your good friend
Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.
30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead
terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia,
was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on
getting FARC recognized officially.
31.) I Didn't Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run
8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you
still lost.
32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn't.
33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.
34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.
35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the
vote, confuse the voters, force a
public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of
which you didn't write yourself.
37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening
to sue if you do not stop saying
this. Obama has stopped saying this.
38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to
eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
39.) I Don't Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.
40.) I don't Have Lobbyists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and
counting.
41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own
campaign worker made the ad on his
Apple in one afternoon.
42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace
issued a warning about this
advertising to MySpace clients.
43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other
people's words.
44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL
in the U.S. Senate - for Africa,
which shows YOUR priorities.
45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren't in office to vote
against it AND you have voted to fund
it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you
Obama. You also seem to be stepping back
from your departure date - AGAIN.
46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan leaves
us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who
don't have to buy it.
Herbert Cannon
"Mark Goldberg" <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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women and children and go out of our way to avoid doing such. The other side
does and goes out of their way to target them.
Herbert Cannon
We gather here today to share information and knowledge. Intelligence
is not merely cold hard data about numerical strength or armament or
disposition of military forces. The most important element of intelligence
has to be understanding the mindset and intention of the enemy. The West
has been wallowing in a state of ignorance and denial for thirty years as
Muslim extremist perpetrated evil against innocent victims in the name of
Allah.
I was ten years old when my home exploded around me, burying me under
the rubble and leaving me to drink my blood to survive, as the
perpetrators shouted, 'Allah Akbar!' My only crime was that I was a
Christian living in a Christian town. At 10 years old, I learned the
meaning of the word 'infidel.'
I had a crash course in survival. Not in the Girl Scouts, but in a
bomb shelter where I lived for seven years in pitch darkness, freezing
cold, drinking stale water and eating grass to live. At the age of 13,
dressed in my burial clothes going to bed at night, waiting to be
slaughtered. By the age of 20, I had buried most of my friends--killed by
Muslims. We were not Americans living in New York , or Britons in London .
We were Arab Christians living in Lebanon .
As a victim of Islamic terror, I was amazed when I saw Americans
waking up on September 12, 2001, and asking themselves 'Why do they hate
us?' The psychoanalyst experts were coming up with all sort of excuses as
to what did we do to offend the Muslim World. But if America and the West
were paying attention to the Middle East they would not have had to ask
the question. Simply put, they hate us because we are defined in their
eyes by one simple word: 'infidels.'
Under the banner of Islam 'la, ilaha illa Allah, muhammad rasoulu
Allah,' (None is god except Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah)
they murdered Jewish children in Israel , massacred Christians in Lebanon,
killed Copts in Egypt, Assyrians in Syria, Hindus in India, and expelled
almost 900,000 Jews from Muslim lands. We Middle Eastern infidels paid the
price then. Now infidels worldwide are paying the price for indifference
and shortsightedness.
Tolerating evil is a crime. Appeasing murderers doesn't buy
protection. It earns one disrespect and loathing in the enemy's eyes. Yet
apathy is the weapon by which the West is committing suicide. Political
correctness forms the shackles around our ankles, by which Islamists are
leading us to our demise.
America and the West are doomed to failure in this war unless they
stand up and identify the real enemy: Islam. You hear about Wahabbi and
Salafi Islam as the only extreme form of Islam. All the other Muslims,
supposedly, are wonderful moderates. Closer to the truth are the pictures
of the irrational eruption of violence in reaction to the cartoons of
Mohammed printed by a Danish newspaper. Fro m burning embassies, to calls
to butcher those who mock Islam, to warnings that the West be prepared for
another holocaust, those pictures have given us a glimpse into the real
face of the enemy. News pictures and video of these events represent a
canvas of hate decorated by different nationalities who share one common
ideology of hate, bigotry and intolerance derived from one source:
authent ic Islam. An Islam that is awakening from centuries of slumber to
re-ignite its wrath against the infidel and dominate the world. An Islam
which has declared 'Intifada' on the West.
America and the West can no longer afford to lay in their lazy state
of overweight ignorance. The consequences of this mental disease are
starting to attack the body, and if they don't take the necessary steps
now to control it, death will be knocking soon. If you want to understand
the nature of the enemy we face, visualize a tapestry of snakes. They
slither and they hiss, and they would eat each other alive, but they will
unite in a hideous mass to achieve their common goal of imposing Islam on
the world.
This is the ugly face of the enemy we are fighting. We are fighting a
powerful ideology that is capable of altering basic human instincts. An
ideology that can turn a mother into a launching pa d of death. A perfect
example is a recently elected Hamas official in the Palestinian
Territories who raves in heavenly joy about sending her three sons to
death and offering the ones who are still alive for the cause. It is an
ideology that is capable of offering highly educated individuals such as
doctors and lawyers far more joy in attaining death than any respect and
stature life in society is ever capable of giving them.
The United States has been a prime target for radical Islamic hatred
and terror. Every Friday, mosques in the Middle East ring with shrill
prayers and monotonous chants calling death, destruction and damnation
down on America and its people. The radical Islamist deeds have been as
vile as their words. Since the Iran hostage crisis, more than three
thousand Americans have died in a terror campaign almost unprecedented in
its calculated cruelty along with thousands of other citizens worldwide.
Even the Nazis did not turn their own children into human bombs, and then
rejoice at their deaths as well the deaths of their victims. This
intentional, indiscriminate and wholesale murder of innocent American
citizens is justified and glorified in the name of Islam.
America cannot effectively defend itself in this war unless and until
the American people understand the nature of the enemy that we face. Even
after 9/11 there are those who say that we must engage our terrorist
enemies, that we must address their grievances. Their grievance is our
freedom of religion. Their grievance is our freedom of speech. Their
grievance is our democratic process where the rule of law comes from the
voices of many not that of just one prophet. It is the respect we instill
in our children towards all religions. It is the equality we grant each
other as human beings sharing a planet and striving to make the w orld a
better place for all humanity. Their grievance is the kindness and respect
a man shows a woman, the justice we practice as equals under the law, and
the mercy we grant our enemy. Their grievance cannot be answered by an
apology for who or what we are.
Our mediocre attitude of not confronting Islamic forces of bigotry and
hatred wherever they raised their ugly head in the last 30 years, has
empowered and strengthened our enemy to launch a full scale attack on the
very freedoms we cherish in their effort to impose their values and way of
life on our civilization.
If we don't wake up and
challenge our Muslim community to take action against the terrorists
within it, if we don't believe in ourselves as Americans and in the
standards we should hold every patriotic American to, we are going to pay
a price for our delusion. For the sake of our children and our country, we
must wake up and take action. In the face of a torrent of hateful
invective and terrorist murder, America's learning curve since the Iran
hostage crisis is so shallow that it is almost flat. The longer we lay
supine, the more difficult it will be to stand erect.
.
Brigitte Gabriel is an expert on the
Middle East conflict and lectures nationally and internationally on the
subject. She's the former news anchor of World News for Middle East t
elevision and the founder of AmericanCongressforTruth.com. More bio info
atï
http://www.intelligencesummit.org/speakers/BrigitteGabriel.phpï¿?ï¿?ï¿?ï¿?ï¿?
Fraser Johnston
> There are many things people do not know about BARACK OBAMA. It is every
> American's duty to read this message and pass it along to all of their
> friends and loved ones.
>
> Barack Obama wears a FLAG PIN at all times. Even in the shower.
>
> flag. He also ends every sentence by saying, "WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR
> ALL." Click here for video of Obama quietly mouthing the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
> in his sleep.
>
> A tape exists of Michelle Obama saying the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE at a
> conference on PATRIOTISM.
>
> Every weekend, Barack and Michelle take their daughters HUNTING.
>
> Barack Obama is a PATRIOTIC AMERICAN. He has one HAND over his HEART at all
> times. He occasionally switches when one arm gets tired, which is almost
> never because he is STRONG.
>
> Barack Obama has the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE tattooed on his stomach.
> It's upside-down, so he can read it while doing sit-ups.
>
> There's only one artist on Barack Obama's iPod: FRANCIS SCOTT KEY.
>
> Barack Obama is a DEVOUT CHRISTIAN. His favorite book is the BIBLE, which he
> has memorized. His name means HE WHO LOVES JESUS in the ancient language of
> Aramaic. He is PROUD that Jesus was an American.
>
> Barack Obama goes to church every morning. He goes to church every afternoon.
> He goes to church every evening. He is IN CHURCH RIGHT NOW.
>
> Barack Obama's new airplane includes a conference room, a kitchen, and a
> MEGACHURCH.
>
> Barack Obama's skin is the color of AMERICAN SOIL.
>
> Barack Obama buys AMERICAN STUFF. He owns a FORD, a BASEBALL TEAM, and a
> COMPUTER HE BUILT HIMSELF FROM AMERICAN PARTS. He travels mostly by FORKLIFT.
>
> Barack Obama says that Americans cling to GUNS and RELIGION because they are
> AWESOME.
I heard Chuck Norris is afraid of him.
Fraser
Jerry B. Altzman
major party candidate, as I dislike them both.
on 2008-06-22 09:44 Herbert Cannon said the following:
> * He voted against banning partial birth abortion.
And so?
> * He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions
And so?
> * He supports affirmative action (racial preferences) in Colleges and
> Government.
Well, I don't like them either. So here we disagree.
> * In 2001, he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing. Instead, says he
> will deal with street level drug dealing as a minimum wage affair.
Right on! (Like other things, perhaps decriminalizing certain drugs will
lead to a net DECREASE in random street crime.)
> * He admitted his own marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in
> college.
As opposed to "I never inhaled"?
It's much preferable to hear "Yup, I did it, I don't recommend you do
it." to "Never did it...wups, yes I did..."
> * His religious convictions are very murky - even before the Rev. Wright
> fiasco.
Why are his religious convictions on public parade?
> * He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and
> Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to negotiate our cooperation.
The first part is true, the part after 'to negotiate' is not necessarily
true, nor is it clear.
> * Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have
> a conference with all Muslim nations.
So what?
> * He opposed the Patriot Act which has kept 9/11 terrorists from further
> success on U.S. soil.
But he supported the "no more asteroid strikes and alien invasions"
bill, which both Bush and McCain opposed!
(Oh yes, BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.)
> * The first bill he signed that also passed was campaign finance reform.
This is a bad thing?
> * He voted No on prohibiting frivolous law suits against gun manufacturers.
So what?
> * He supports universal health-care similar to Europe and Canada (the rich
> from there come here for better health care).
And the semi-rich from the US go to India (!) now to get health care, too.
> * He voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees (war
> prisoners in our courts??).
You know, if we had simply just killed them first, this wouldn't be an
issue.
We've got these guys, now we have to do something with them.
> * He supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants even though
> that ID would, for instance, allow them to vote.
??? that's a neat canard. They wouldn't even need THAT in New York City;
I've NEVER been asked to produce ID to vote.
> * He supports extending all welfare benefits to illegal immigrants.
And taxing them out the wazoo, too.
Works for me.
> * He voted yes on the comprehensive immigration reform bill that failed
> after a public outcry against amnesty.
So?
> * He voted yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.
"Participate in" meaning "pay into"?
> * He wants to make the minimum wage a 'living wage'.
Well, I want to be a bathing suit model, too.
> * He voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.
So what?
> * He is a big believer in the separation of church and state - no religion
> in the public square.
This is bad because:
________________________________________
(use the space provided)
> * He is opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead
> supports massive increase in the amount of tax paid.
Unclear whether this is bad or good; but it doesn't matter because the
whole SocSec Ponzi is going to implode soon anyway.
> * He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax
> * He voted No on repealing the 'Death' Tax
> * He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.
So^3?
> * He has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded; and will
> retreat as rapidly as possible regardless of conditions on the ground.
Hrm. Even the venerable Grey Lady is saying that the surge is having
measurable positive effects...there may be the ratcheting sound of
furious backpedalling on this.
> * He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that
> takes some doing.
So?
//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman jba...@altzman.com www.jbaltz.com
thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe.
Herbert Cannon
"Jerry B. Altzman" <jba...@altzman.com> wrote in message
news:aLN7k.2783$gE.2537@trnddc07...
> Full disclosure: it's pretty damn unlikely that I'll vote for either major
> party candidate, as I dislike them both.
>
> on 2008-06-22 09:44 Herbert Cannon said the following:
>> * He voted against banning partial birth abortion.
>
> And so?
That is a little bit too late for me.
>
>> * He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state
>> abortions
>
> And so?
Well i figure parents who dont care about that dont really care what their
kids do anyway. So it wont do much good.
>
>> * He supports affirmative action (racial preferences) in Colleges and
>> Government.
>
> Well, I don't like them either. So here we disagree.
The kids is high school hate the unfairness they see. Race should not be the
deciding factor in preferences. I know too many blacks who dont need that
help.
>
>> * In 2001, he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing. Instead, says
>> he will deal with street level drug dealing as a minimum wage affair.
>
> Right on! (Like other things, perhaps decriminalizing certain drugs will
> lead to a net DECREASE in random street crime.)
Or perhaps it will lead to a tremendous increase in addicts. Not a good
thing. These days the drugs are so powerful they can addict anyone as
reported in Time Magazine. No longer is the predisposition personality
needed for addiction. No one really knows what decrimilization will do.
Several experiments have turned out badly. Even California has learned
medical marijuana has turned into a fiasco and this has been widely
reported. Even Clinton was against this. I think much more information would
have to be gathered before one could say what the solution is to this
problem. Everyutime I watch that program " Intervention" on TV I shudder for
those families. Read the book " Beautiful Boy." It would be impossible to
decrimilzie the drugs anyway. Would you allow grammer school kids to partake
of addictive drugs.
>
>> * He admitted his own marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in
>> college.
>
> As opposed to "I never inhaled"?
> It's much preferable to hear "Yup, I did it, I don't recommend you do it."
> to "Never did it...wups, yes I did..."
I did not hear the last. Cocaine is a very addictive drug especially crack.
Doubled the murder rate in the US. I have to wonder about someone's judgment
that tried a powerful addictive drug.
>
>> * His religious convictions are very murky - even before the Rev. Wright
>> fiasco.
>
> Why are his religious convictions on public parade?
Cause he is a public figure and they are always on parade.
>
>> * He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and
>> Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to negotiate our cooperation.
>
> The first part is true, the part after 'to negotiate' is not necessarily
> true, nor is it clear.
I have to agree with Hilary Clinton myself. She said no. Besides it
sometimes really shakes up the rest of the world. I see no benefit to
meeting with these folks anyway. As my dear old dad used to say, " You
cannot reason with a mad dog."
>
>> * Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to
>> have a conference with all Muslim nations.
>
> So what?
Do you really all the Muslim nations are going to come to that conference?
Exactly what would it accomplish? It is political pap.
>
>> * He opposed the Patriot Act which has kept 9/11 terrorists from further
>> success on U.S. soil.
>
> But he supported the "no more asteroid strikes and alien invasions" bill,
> which both Bush and McCain opposed!
> (Oh yes, BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.)
My God that explains it - the pod people got you didnt they!!
>
>> * The first bill he signed that also passed was campaign finance reform.
>
> This is a bad thing?
He is now refusing public money.
>
>> * He voted No on prohibiting frivolous law suits against gun
>> manufacturers.
>
> So what?
It is bullshit lawsuits with someone trying to use activist judges to make
laws and usurp the legislative function. What are you anti gun?
>
>> * He supports universal health-care similar to Europe and Canada (the
>> rich from there come here for better health care).
>
> And the semi-rich from the US go to India (!) now to get health care, too.
Yeah but it is private health care they get.
>
>> * He voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees (war
>> prisoners in our courts??).
>
> You know, if we had simply just killed them first, this wouldn't be an
> issue.
> We've got these guys, now we have to do something with them.
Let's drop them over their homelands at about 10,000 feet.
>
>> * He supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants even
>> though that ID would, for instance, allow them to vote.
>
> ??? that's a neat canard. They wouldn't even need THAT in New York City;
> I've NEVER been asked to produce ID to vote.
In New Orleans you can vote several times provided you are the right
political perusaion and color. So if you want your vote to really count move
to New Orleans and use black face - it is the "chocolate" city.
>
>> * He supports extending all welfare benefits to illegal immigrants.
>
> And taxing them out the wazoo, too.
> Works for me.
Until you add up what each will cost and bring in.
>
>> * He voted yes on the comprehensive immigration reform bill that failed
>> after a public outcry against amnesty.
>
> So?
It failed.
>
>> * He voted yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social
>> Security.
>
> "Participate in" meaning "pay into"?
No draw out of.
>
>> * He wants to make the minimum wage a 'living wage'.
>
> Well, I want to be a bathing suit model, too.
An entry level wage is not a career. Dont quit your day job.
>
>> * He voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.
>
> So what?
4% he was absent.
>
>> * He is a big believer in the separation of church and state - no
>> religion in the public square.
>
> This is bad because:
If I attended the church he attended I would want it separate too.
> ________________________________________
> (use the space provided)
>
>> * He is opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead
>> supports massive increase in the amount of tax paid.
>
> Unclear whether this is bad or good; but it doesn't matter because the
> whole SocSec Ponzi is going to implode soon anyway.
Yup.
>
>> * He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax
>> * He voted No on repealing the 'Death' Tax
>> * He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.
>
> So^3?
Check em out.
>
>> * He has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded; and will
>> retreat as rapidly as possible regardless of conditions on the ground.
>
> Hrm. Even the venerable Grey Lady is saying that the surge is having
> measurable positive effects...there may be the ratcheting sound of furious
> backpedalling on this.
Naw he will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory failing to stand against
the clamor of the public when he should and turn Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq
over to the Iranians. Then if the slaughter of Sunnis starts in Iraq the who
knows what happens next.
>
>> * He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that
>> takes some doing.
>
> So?
So he is a super liberal. How is a super liberal going to unite a country
that by and large is conservative? That was fun and I am out of time. Next
time watch out for those pod people.
>
suds macheath
---Hello Russians and Al Qeada....
suds macheath
> "suds macheath" <sudsm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Sfv7k.10595$3F5....@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>> That’s right, the Nobel Institute is just all about getting their name
>>>> out there so they can sell more copies of Nobel magazine. That Gandhi
>>>> centerfold they had a few months ago was IN FUEGO.
>>> Isn't that the institute that gave Arafat a peace prize?
>> ---According to this source, he got a third of a prize.
>
> They dont give the prize in thirds moron.
According to Nobel's site they do......dope.
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1994/
>
>> Shimon Perez and Yitzhak Rabin each got a third for their contributions to
>> peace in the middle east.
>> http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1994/
>>
>>
>> The guy who is on
>>> tape ordering the murder of two American diplomats.
>> Before or after the Nobel?
>>
>> I also remember that he was first in line to donate blood to the 9/11
>> victims....
>
> WOW that is like the Mafia donating to the catholic church.
---Yet, he still decried the 9/11 attacks, did he not?
Does the Catholic Church accept donations from the mob?
>> I would give it back.
>>
>> ---Sure you would. Peace is an anathema to war mongers....
>
> "I will never send American boys to do what Asian boys ought to do,"
> President Lyndon Baines Johnson, Liberal Democrat.
----LBJ was a moderate Democrat. And, we fought side by side with asian
boys in that war, didn't we?
>>> But then that takes some integrity to do that and none to tout the prize.
>> ---Still doesn't change the dishonesty of your "columnist"....
>
> Nor your lack of integrity.
---I've got way more integrity than a fraud and hypocrite like you.
suds macheath
suds macheath
lot of Arabs, well, he gets credit for the innocent deaths as well.
suds macheath
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp
suds macheath
----FINALLY, someone who gets it! Congratulations, my friend...
suds macheath
> )>
>> ---Did ya write this one yourself, dimmie? No quote cite for us?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o
>
>
---So, I have to watch a video to find out who wrote this nonsense?
If you're afraid to post the author, say so.
Herbert Cannon
A teacher in Elmira , New York asked her 6th grade class how many of them
were Obama fans. Not really knowing what an Obama fan is, but wanting to be
liked by the teacher, all the kids raised their hands except for Little
Johnny.
The teacher asked Little Johnny why he has decided to be different.
Little Johnny says, 'Because I'm not an Obama fan.
The teacher says, 'Why aren't you an Obama fan?'
Johnny says, 'Because I'm a Republican.'
The teacher asks him why he's a Republican.
Little Johnny answered, 'Well, my mom's a Republican and my dad's a
Republican, so I'm a Republican'.
The teacher asks, 'If your mom wa s a moron and your dad was an idiot, what
would that make you?'
With a big smile, Little Johnny replies, 'That would make me an Obama fan.'
Herbert Cannon
>>
>>
>>
>> The seven dwarfs always left to go work in the mine early
>> each morning. As always, Snow White stayed home doing her domestic
>> chores.
>>
>>
>>
>> As lunchtime approached, she would prepare their lunch and
>> carry it to the mine. One day as she arrived at the mine with the lunch,
>> she saw that there had been a terrible cave-in. Tearfully, and fearing
>> the worst, Snow White began calling out, hoping against hope that the
>> dwarfs had somehow survived.
>>
>>
>>
>> 'Hello!...Hello!' she shouted. 'Can anyone hear me? Hello!'
>>
>>
>>
>> For a long while, there was no answer. Losing hope, Snow
>> White again shouted, 'Hello! Is anyone down there?'
>>
>>
>>
>> Just as she was about to give up all hope, she heard a faint
>> voice from deep within the mine, singing.... 'Vote for Barack Obama! -
>> Vote for Barack Obama!'
>>
>> Snow White fell to her knees, crossed herself and prayed,
>> 'Oh, thank you, God! At least Dopey is still alive...
>>
>>
>>
Jerry B. Altzman
>> Right on! (Like other things, perhaps decriminalizing certain drugs will
>> lead to a net DECREASE in random street crime.)
> Or perhaps it will lead to a tremendous increase in addicts. Not a good
Or both.
>>> * He admitted his own marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in
>>> college.
>> As opposed to "I never inhaled"?
>> It's much preferable to hear "Yup, I did it, I don't recommend you do it."
>> to "Never did it...wups, yes I did..."
> I did not hear the last. Cocaine is a very addictive drug especially crack.
And he's not saying "I still do it." One would think that would be a
pretty tough secret to keep, with enough vested interests in showing
that he's still breaking the law, if he were.
> Doubled the murder rate in the US. I have to wonder about someone's judgment
> that tried a powerful addictive drug.
He might have had unsafe sex as a youth, too.
I'd bet McCain probably did, as well.
>> Why are his religious convictions on public parade?
> Cause he is a public figure and they are always on parade.
So what, again?
>> The first part is true, the part after 'to negotiate' is not necessarily
>> true, nor is it clear.
> I have to agree with Hilary Clinton myself. She said no. Besides it
> sometimes really shakes up the rest of the world. I see no benefit to
> meeting with these folks anyway. As my dear old dad used to say, " You
> cannot reason with a mad dog."
It provides you with plausible deniability.
"Really, I tried talking sense to Kim Il Jong, but he's a nutter. So,
we're going to nuke him."
>> So what?
> Do you really all the Muslim nations are going to come to that conference?
> Exactly what would it accomplish? It is political pap.
So is 99% of whatever other snake oil is being sold. Once again: so what?
>>> * He opposed the Patriot Act which has kept 9/11 terrorists from further
>>> success on U.S. soil.
>> But he supported the "no more asteroid strikes and alien invasions" bill,
>> which both Bush and McCain opposed!
>> (Oh yes, BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.)
> My God that explains it - the pod people got you didnt they!!
If you knew about my former employers, you'd laugh at that last
statement, too.
Nonetheless, there's no proof that the Patriot Act has "kept 9/11
terrorists from further success" on US soil, as opposed to good
old-fashioned police work, without the trampling on individual rights.
>>> * The first bill he signed that also passed was campaign finance reform.
>> This is a bad thing?
> He is now refusing public money.
To be honest, I'm confused. This is a bad thing?
Oh I get it, he's being a touch on the hypocritical side.
Well, hrm,
"Bad cop! No doughnut!"
>>> * He voted No on prohibiting frivolous law suits against gun
>>> manufacturers.
>> So what?
> It is bullshit lawsuits with someone trying to use activist judges to make
> laws and usurp the legislative function. What are you anti gun?
Ah yes, what else was tied into that bill, Herb? Could there have been
ANYTHING else there that might have been repugnant?
Voting no on any particular piece of legislation is going to piss off
someone, since there's no legislation that isn't larded with some much
extra crap any more.
For the record, "gun control is hitting what you're aiming at".
No, I'm decidedly NOT anti-gun.
>>> * He supports universal health-care similar to Europe and Canada (the
>>> rich from there come here for better health care).
>> And the semi-rich from the US go to India (!) now to get health care, too.
> Yeah but it is private health care they get.
Same with the rich from Europe and Canada, so frikkin what?
>> You know, if we had simply just killed them first, this wouldn't be an
>> issue.
>> We've got these guys, now we have to do something with them.
> Let's drop them over their homelands at about 10,000 feet.
Or we could decide to try them as war criminals, or we can continue to
feed them on the public dime indefinitely.
>>> * He supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants even
>>> though that ID would, for instance, allow them to vote.
>> ??? that's a neat canard. They wouldn't even need THAT in New York City;
>> I've NEVER been asked to produce ID to vote.
> In New Orleans you can vote several times provided you are the right
> political perusaion and color. So if you want your vote to really count move
> to New Orleans and use black face - it is the "chocolate" city.
Right...so this little 'granting drivers licenses to illegals so they
can vote' is just a canard; you've made my point nicely for me.
>>> * He supports extending all welfare benefits to illegal immigrants.
>> And taxing them out the wazoo, too.
>> Works for me.
> Until you add up what each will cost and bring in.
Um, making them work also works for me. No "stay at home and watch TV"
welfare; we're talking "pick up the goddamn garbage on the side of the
highway" welfare.
Of course, that will be declared unconstitutional soon enough; equal
protection or some such...
>>> * He voted yes on the comprehensive immigration reform bill that failed
>>> after a public outcry against amnesty.
>> So?
> It failed.
Since it failed, who cares how he voted on it?
>>> * He voted yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social
>>> Security.
>> "Participate in" meaning "pay into"?
> No draw out of.
Presumably after 'paying into'.
>>> * He wants to make the minimum wage a 'living wage'.
>> Well, I want to be a bathing suit model, too.
> An entry level wage is not a career. Dont quit your day job.
And yet, you've still got to LIVE on it, until you've worked your way
up. What are you supposed to do in the interim?
For the record: I'm not in favor of minimum wage laws. I'm just playing
devil's advocate here.
>>> * He voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.
>> So what?
> 4% he was absent.
So what?
He votes with his party; that's part of why he was elected in the FIRST
place. (The other part is just the standard corruption and campaign
fraud, no doubt.)
>>> * He is a big believer in the separation of church and state - no
>>> religion in the public square.
>> This is bad because:
> If I attended the church he attended I would want it separate too.
Right, the entire world is Herb Cannon. I forgot.
Silly me!
>>> * He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax
>>> * He voted No on repealing the 'Death' Tax
>>> * He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.
>> So^3?
> Check em out.
I'm aware of the AMT, the 'Death' and CG taxes; people disagree with
them all the time. If you are against them, you wouldn't have voted for
him in Chicago. It's nice to know his stance on these things.
>> Hrm. Even the venerable Grey Lady is saying that the surge is having
>> measurable positive effects...there may be the ratcheting sound of furious
>> backpedalling on this.
> Naw he will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory failing to stand against
> the clamor of the public when he should and turn Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq
> over to the Iranians. Then if the slaughter of Sunnis starts in Iraq the who
> knows what happens next
Your crystal ball is so much clearer than mine is; although your world
must be awfully boring in black and white. Personally, I prefer having
colors.
>>> * He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that
>>> takes some doing.
>> So?
> So he is a super liberal. How is a super liberal going to unite a country
> that by and large is conservative? That was fun and I am out of time. Next
> time watch out for those pod people.
So he's a super liberal; we see where he stands and he'll live or die by
what he's done.
Is McCain *so* much further to the right?
Herbert Cannon
Foobar
> <travis...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cde73ffc-6b64-4324...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 21, 1:28 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > "From the time BarrackObamawas sworn in as a United State Senator, to
> > the
> > time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he
> > logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the
> > Senate
> > was actually in session and working. After 143 days of work experience,
> > World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.
> > 143 days. I keep leftovers in my refrigerator longer than that."
>
> > Columnist Cheri Jacobus
>
> Who gives a fuck?
>
> Duds and apparently you..
>
> Busch is a cokehead and he made it as President.
>
Idiot. Busch is a beer and a bad one at that.
Herbert Cannon
>> I heard Chuck Norris is afraid of him.
>>
>> Fraser
>
> ----FINALLY, someone who gets it! Congratulations, my friend...
Too bad you dont and never will. Have not had so much fun with cut and paste
in a long time. Tch to think I have to ditch all those Hilary ones now. Here
is another cut and paste:
His own words of a man that wants to be President of the USA!
Subject: In Obama's own words-From his books, not from media - - Statements
that can be looked up yourself L.
Scary stuff....
And this individual wants to be our President and control The United States
of America's government! Pay close attention to the last comment!! Below are
a few other meaningful lines from Obama's own books ' his words:
From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age
of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating
myself to whites.'
From D reams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense
of grievance and animosity against my mothers race.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary,
a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'
From Dreams of My Father: ; 'It remained necessary to prove which side you
were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name
names.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose
fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my fa ther's image, the black man,
son of Africa , a Muslim, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in
myself, the attribut es of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'
From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political
winds shift in an ugly direction.'
shuu...@gmail.com
> >* He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions
>
As a parent, wouldn't you want to know if your underage daughter had a
medical procedure in another state?
Jerry B. Altzman
Yes, but I am also unlikely to beat my child to near death for having to
need such a procedure in the first case.
Not everyone is as enlightened as you or I in this regard.
David L. Burkhead
> on 2008-06-23 15:59 shuu...@gmail.com said the following:
> >>> * He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state
abortions
> >> good.
> > As a parent, wouldn't you want to know if your underage daughter had a
> > medical procedure in another state?
>
> Yes, but I am also unlikely to beat my child to near death for having to
> need such a procedure in the first case.
> Not everyone is as enlightened as you or I in this regard.
Means for dealing with the "beat ones child to near death" cases are already
in place. Why not work on improving _them_ rather than undercutting _all_
parents' responsibility for and authority over their children's medical
care.
A minor is not, by law, considered competent to make their own decisions
regarding medical care. Just because this particular medical issue has a
powerful political voice behind it should not change that.
--
--
David L. Burkhead -- Cold Servings, a webcomic
mailto:dbur...@sff.net -- http://www.coldservings.com
http://www.cafepress.com/coldservings <- OSHA for criminals
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and
degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is
worth a war, is worse." --- John Stuart Mill
chatnoir
> >> I heard Chuck Norris is afraid of him.
>
> >> Fraser
>
> > ----FINALLY, someone who gets it! Congratulations, my friend...
>
> Too bad you dont and never will. Have not had so much fun with cut and paste
> in a long time. Tch to think I have to ditch all those Hilary ones now. Here
> is another cut and paste:
> His own words of a man that wants to be President of the USA!
>
> that can be looked up yourself L.
>
> Scary stuff....
>
> And this individual wants to be our President and control The United States
> of America's government! Pay close attention to the last comment!! Below are
>
> From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age
> of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating
> myself to whites.'
>
> From D reams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense
> of grievance and animosity against my mothers race.'
>
> From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary,
> a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'
>
> From Dreams of My Father: ; 'It remained necessary to prove which side you
> were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name
> names.'
>
> From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose
> fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my fa ther's image, the black man,
> son of Africa , a Muslim, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in
> myself, the attribut es of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'
>
> From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political
> winds shift in an ugly direction.'
Jerry B. Altzman
> "Jerry B. Altzman" <jba...@altzman.com> wrote in message
> news:fuT7k.2377$zE6.1332@trnddc02...
>> on 2008-06-23 15:59 shuu...@gmail.com said the following:
>>> medical procedure in another state?
>> Yes, but I am also unlikely to beat my child to near death for having to
>> need such a procedure in the first case.
>> Not everyone is as enlightened as you or I in this regard.
> Means for dealing with the "beat ones child to near death" cases are already
> in place. Why not work on improving _them_ rather than undercutting _all_
No doubt there are. Those are mostly effective after you're crying over
the beaten body of a child.
> parents' responsibility for and authority over their children's medical
> care.
Consider it a stopgap measure; an important one.
That is, until beating child-beaters to near death becomes legitimized, too.
> A minor is not, by law, considered competent to make their own decisions
> regarding medical care. Just because this particular medical issue has a
> powerful political voice behind it should not change that.
And yet, we routinely make exceptions for this based upon circumstances
that place someone's life in danger. (I've met girls like this. Have you?)
You could also say "why didn't they just keep their !#%!# legs together,
too?" Haven't parents abrogated their responsibility in that regard, by
letting their daughters out with men of little moral fiber?
Sigh.
David L. Burkhead
> on 2008-06-23 16:24 David L. Burkhead said the following:
> > "Jerry B. Altzman" <jba...@altzman.com> wrote in message
> > news:fuT7k.2377$zE6.1332@trnddc02...
> >> on 2008-06-23 15:59 shuu...@gmail.com said the following:
> >>> As a parent, wouldn't you want to know if your underage daughter had a
> >>> medical procedure in another state?
> >> Yes, but I am also unlikely to beat my child to near death for having
to
> >> need such a procedure in the first case.
> >> Not everyone is as enlightened as you or I in this regard.
> > Means for dealing with the "beat ones child to near death" cases are
already
> > in place. Why not work on improving _them_ rather than undercutting
_all_
>
> No doubt there are. Those are mostly effective after you're crying over
> the beaten body of a child.
Actually, IME, they are most effective at being little tin gods and
enjoying making parents dance to their tune--things like taking their
personal dislike of dogs and deciding that simply having a dog who has
access to the house produces an "unfit environment" for a young child. (And
no, I did not just make up that example.)
Strangely enough, the state always seems to be able to find "foster
care" (either with foster parents or in a "group home") for these kinds of
things. Maybe if they spent more time on _real_ cases of abuse and
neglect....
The solution to the problem is to fix the problem, not create new ones.
> > parents' responsibility for and authority over their children's medical
> > care.
>
> Consider it a stopgap measure; an important one.
I suppose, in the same way that applying a blowtorch to your right leg
could be considered a "stopgap measure" to hitting your left thumb with a
hammer. You wouldn't be thinking about the pain in your thumb any more
would you?
> That is, until beating child-beaters to near death becomes legitimized,
too.
Non sequitor.
> > A minor is not, by law, considered competent to make their own decisions
> > regarding medical care. Just because this particular medical issue has
a
> > powerful political voice behind it should not change that.
>
> And yet, we routinely make exceptions for this based upon circumstances
> that place someone's life in danger.
Such as? I'm curious as to what "exceptions" involve the minor making
medical decisions and the parents not being informed. Since it's routine"
you shouldn't have trouble coming up with examples, right?
Last time I saw EMT's called for an injury or illness, it wasn't the
_minor_ who made the decisions. And the parents certainly weren't kept in
the dark after the fact.
> (I've met girls like this. Have you?)
> You could also say "why didn't they just keep their !#%!# legs together,
> too?" Haven't parents abrogated their responsibility in that regard, by
> letting their daughters out with men of little moral fiber?
That some may have "abrogated their responsibility" does _not_ justify
the state grabbing responsibility from the rest.
But it's so popular these days, whenever someone does something "bad,"
to punish all those who _didn't_ do it.
--
--
David L. Burkhead -- Cold Servings, a webcomic
mailto:dbur...@sff.net -- http://www.coldservings.com
http://www.cafepress.com/coldservings <- OSHA for criminals
"And everyone will say 'I told you so'
yeah they'll all just nod and sigh
but I'll make a run at something real
and they'll never even try"
suds macheath
> "suds macheath" <sudsm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:PwP7k.3189$1I....@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>> "suds macheath" <sudsm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Uiv7k.10597$3F5....@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>>> Busch is a cokehead and he made it as President.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah and you gotta admit he has killed a lot of Arabs.
>>>> A lot of women and children as well.....
>>> But he did not sell out his own like Murtha and kill his own like you
>>> liberals do:
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Lone-Survivor-Eyewitness-Account-Operation/dp/0316067598
>> ---Whoop te do, another right wing screed....
> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/questions_for_obama_1.html
>
suds macheath
> On Jun 23, 12:25 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> I heard Chuck Norris is afraid of him.
>>>> Fraser
>>> ----FINALLY, someone who gets it! Congratulations, my friend...
>> Too bad you dont and never will.
----You sure didn't get that one, did ya dim?
<right wing propaganda snipped>
suds macheath
-----Asked by his teacher to compare three presidents Johnny thought for
a moment and said: "Well, George Washington couldn't tell a lie.
Richard Nixon couldn't tell the truth. And George W. Bush can't tell
the difference."
----Little George Bush asked his daddy if he could try out for the
spelling bee.
"Go ahead, boy" says Sr.
The next day, a downcast George W tells his dad he didn't make the cut.
"What was the word?", says Sr
"Posse" says Jr
"Hell, boy, you can't even pronounce it, much less spell it" sneers GHW....
----On the bottom 3 rungs of hell are: Richard Nixon, 3rd from the
bottom; Ronald Reagan, 2nd from hell's lowest rung; and George W. Bush,
who actually doesn't have a rung, because when you're at the very
bottom, you don't need one.
So Smirk's a little peeved about this, so he asks Tricky Dick, "Hey,
Nixon, how come you're 3rd from the bottom, I mean, with Watergate and all?"
Nixon replies "Well, Watergate certainly was a scandal, and I am not a
crook, but nobody, I mean nobody can say that I didn't do my own
thinking. Hell, I did everybody's thinking, the stupid shits!"
So George W. says, "Well if you say so, but how 'bout you Ronnie, for
sure you never did your own thinking, Hell, Nancy had to consult the
Ouija board to find out if you should pick your nose or pick somebody
for a cabinet post."
Ronnie Ray-gun replies, "Well fella, that may be true, but at least I
was elected. With a majority. Twice."
-----When a reporter asked Bush what he thought about his first hundred
days in office he replied "Has it been a year already?
----Pat Buchanan, Newt Gingrich, & George W. Bush are in a boat in the
middle of the ocean. The boat is sinking. Who gets saved? The American
People!
----What were George W. Bush's three hardest years? A: Second grade.
suds macheath
>>> I heard Chuck Norris is afraid of him.
>>>
>>> Fraser
>> ----FINALLY, someone who gets it! Congratulations, my friend...
>
> Too bad you dont and never will. Have not had so much fun with cut and paste
> in a long time. Tch to think I have to ditch all those Hilary ones now. Here
> is another cut and paste:
> His own words of a man that wants to be President of the USA!
>
> Subject: In Obama's own words-From his books, not from media - - Statements
> that can be looked up yourself L.
>
> Scary stuff....
Undoubtedly snatched out of context....
More right wing propaganda de-bunked:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
suds macheath
>>> I heard Chuck Norris is afraid of him.
>>>
>>> Fraser
>> ----FINALLY, someone who gets it! Congratulations, my friend...
>
> Too bad you dont and never will. Have not had so much fun with cut and paste
> in a long time. Tch to think I have to ditch all those Hilary ones now. Here
> is another cut and paste:
> His own words of a man that wants to be President of the USA!
>
> Subject: In Obama's own words-From his books, not from media - - Statements
> that can be looked up yourself L.
>
> Scary stuff...
Mostly because it's false....
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/therealquote
SMEAR EMAIL
From Dreams From My Father: 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive
sense of grievance and animosity against my mothers race.'
FACT
Nothing close to this quote appears in Dreams from My Father
SMEAR EMAIL
'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my
own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that
I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of
Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'
FACT
FULL QUOTE From Dreams From My Father:
"All my life, I had carried a single image of my father, one that I had
sometimes rebelled against but had never questioned, one that I had
later tried to take as my own. The brilliant scholar, the generous
friend, the upstanding leader--my father had been all those things. All
those things and more, because except for that one brief visit in
Hawaii, he had never been present to foil the image, because I hadn't
seen what perhaps most men see at some point in their lives: their
father's body shrinking, their father's best hopes dashed, their
father's face lined with grief and regret.
"Yes, I'd seen weakness in other men--Gramps and his disappointments,
Lolo and his compromise. But these men had become object lessons for me,
men I might love but never emulate, white men and brown men whose fates
didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man,
son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself,
the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela. And if later I
saw that the black men I knew--Frank or Ray or Will or Rafiq--fell short
of such lofty standards; if I had learned to respect these men for the
struggles they went through, recognizing them as my own--my father's
voice had nevertheless remained untainted, inspiring, rebuking, granting
or withholding approval. You do not work hard enough, Barry. You must
help in your people's struggle. Wake up, black man!
"Now, as I sat in the glow of a single light bulb, rocking slightly on a
hard-backed chair, that image had suddenly vanished. Replaced by...what?
A bitter drunk? An abusive husband? A defeated, lonely bureaucrat? To
think that all my life I had been wrestling with nothing more than a
ghost!" [Page 220]
SMEAR EMAIL
'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an
ugly direction.'
FACT
FULL QUOTE From Audacity of Hope:
"Whenever I appear before immigrant audiences, I can count on some
good-natured ribbing from my staff after my speech; according to them,
my remarks always follow a three-part structure: "I am your friend,"
"[Fill in the home country] has been a cradle of civilization," and "You
embody the American dream." They're right, my message is simple, for
what I've come to understand is that my mere presence before these newly
minted Americans serves notice that they matter, that they are voters
critical to my success and full-fledged citizens deserving of respect.
"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow
this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and
Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the
stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors
have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been
reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark
underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really
means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the
Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with
them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." [Page 260-261]
-----Dimbulb Cannon, right wing tool, spreads lies once again....
Herbert Cannon
> ----What were George W. Bush's three hardest years? A: Second grade.
Bush's college average was higher than Kerrys. HAHAHAHA'
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/us/politics/23ethanol.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=Ethanol&st=nyt&oref=slogin
Herbert Cannon
Herbert Cannon
Herbert Cannon
>>>>>> "Herbert Cannon" <hcan...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:cRa7k.1759$%q....@newsfe24.lga...
>>>>>>> "From the time Barrack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator,
>>>>>>> committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's
>>>>>>> how many days the Senate was actually in session and working. After
>>>>>>> Abraham Lincoln,
>>>>>
>>>>> FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.
>>>>>
>>>>> sleep through meetings....
>>>> " I will not his youth and inexperience against him." Or how Reagan won
>>>> the Presidency with a one liner.
>>>
>>> ---More like the Dems lost the election through a mismanaged campaign...
>>>
>>> Bye bye Dukkassas.
>>>
>>> ---Hello dead marines, arms for hostages and exploding budget
>>> deficits...
>>
>> Goodbye Soviets.
>
> ---Hello Russians and Al Qeada....
Hello President Clinton and Bosnia gateway for radical Islam to europe.
Thank you President Clinton for letting Obama live when you could have
easily offed him.
Herbert Cannon
Herbert Cannon
marika
>
> Barack Obama buys AMERICAN STUFF. He owns a FORD, a BASEBALL TEAM, and a
> COMPUTER HE BUILT HIMSELF FROM AMERICAN PARTS. He travels mostly by
> FORKLIFT.
>
Obama needs to get a jeepney
In fact the entire article would be more interesting if it was about
jeepneys
mk5000
Nacho: Ok. Orphans! Listen to Ignacio. I know it is fun to wrestle. A
nice piledrive to the face... or a punch to the face... but you cannot
do it. Because, it is in the Bible not to wrestle your neighbour.
Chancho: So you've never wrestled?
Nacho: Me? No. Come on. Don't be crazy. I know the wrestlers get all
the fancy ladies, and the clothes, and the fancy creams and lotions.
But my life is good! Really good! I get to wake up every morning, at
5AM, and make some soup! It's the best. I love it. I get to lay in a
bed, all by myself, all of my life! That's fantastic! Go. Go away!
Read some books! --Nacho Libre
Jerry B. Altzman
this, and you can have whatever last word moves you.
on 2008-06-23 17:50 David L. Burkhead said the following:
> "Jerry B. Altzman" <jba...@altzman.com> wrote in message
> news:IoU7k.2383$zE6.1117@trnddc02...
>> No doubt there are. Those are mostly effective after you're crying over
>> the beaten body of a child.
> Actually, IME, they are most effective at being little tin gods and
> enjoying making parents dance to their tune--things like taking their
That's cute. Your estimation.
I don't disagree that many of the child welfare "guardians" don't do squat.
Which is why, in this case, you do indeed let the minor do some deciding.
> Strangely enough, the state always seems to be able to find "foster
> care" (either with foster parents or in a "group home") for these kinds of
> things. Maybe if they spent more time on _real_ cases of abuse and
> neglect....
Yah, and there are almost as many cases of abuse/neglect in foster homes
as in the homes the kids are pulled out of.
More ammunition to empower the MINOR in this case.
> The solution to the problem is to fix the problem, not create new ones.
Wow, now you've just cleared it all up for us all! I wonder how we ever
got along without you.
What's next: "Work smarter, not harder"?
>> Consider it a stopgap measure; an important one.
> I suppose, in the same way that applying a blowtorch to your right leg
> could be considered a "stopgap measure" to hitting your left thumb with a
> hammer. You wouldn't be thinking about the pain in your thumb any more
> would you?
I suppose, in the same way that if you had a brain, you'd be twice as
dangerous. Sheesh.
It's a stopgap measure; it allows a minor in a difficult enough
situation to evaluate a situation and try to (possibly) avoid a
dangerous situation.
You see, we're really talking about the edge case protection here. A kid
from a loving, supportive family won't be the likely beneficiary of this
type of law.
>> That is, until beating child-beaters to near death becomes legitimized,
> too.
> Non sequitor.
Vide supra about edge cases; I'll leave it to you to connect the dots in
this ugly picture.
>> And yet, we routinely make exceptions for this based upon circumstances
>> that place someone's life in danger.
> Such as? I'm curious as to what "exceptions" involve the minor making
> medical decisions and the parents not being informed. Since it's routine"
> you shouldn't have trouble coming up with examples, right?
Sure. Minor at the playground calls 911 for another minor; no parents
around. Doctors make the decisions *with* the minor, if the minor is
awake alert and oriented, and *apparently* *capable* of doing so. (If
not, doctors make all the decisions _in loco parentis_.) Not every
decision can be made; seldom do minors leave hospitals AMA.
Consent can come LATER; usually it comes when insurance paperwork needs
filling out.
> Last time I saw EMT's called for an injury or illness, it wasn't the
> _minor_ who made the decisions. And the parents certainly weren't kept in
> the dark after the fact.
This is true.
And pregnancy is typically a different case altogether. And sometimes
pregancy termination isn't even an emergency case.
> That some may have "abrogated their responsibility" does _not_ justify
> the state grabbing responsibility from the rest.
It's not grabbing responsibility, David. The state is not arrogating
responsibility for the children to itself; it's permitting someone who
previously did NOT have competence to be competent. The big print
giveth, and the big print can taketh away, too.
> But it's so popular these days, whenever someone does something "bad,"
> to punish all those who _didn't_ do it.
Because, God knows, the girl getting the abortion *isn't* being punished
or suffering at all. Why, it's a walk in the park!
Who's being punished in this case, David? Wait, I don't really care
about your answer, if you bother to do so.
Herbert Cannon
>>> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>>> That’s right, the Nobel Institute is just all about getting their name
>>>>> out there so they can sell more copies of Nobel magazine. That Gandhi
>>>>> centerfold they had a few months ago was IN FUEGO.
>>>> Isn't that the institute that gave Arafat a peace prize?
>>> ---According to this source, he got a third of a prize.
>>
>> They dont give the prize in thirds moron.
>
> According to Nobel's site they do......dope.
> http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1994/
Naw you get the prize.
>>
>>> Shimon Perez and Yitzhak Rabin each got a third for their contributions
>>> to peace in the middle east.
>>> http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1994/
>>>
>>>
>>> The guy who is on
>>>> tape ordering the murder of two American diplomats.
>>> Before or after the Nobel?
>>>
>>> I also remember that he was first in line to donate blood to the 9/11
>>> victims....
>>
>> WOW that is like the Mafia donating to the catholic church.
>
> ---Yet, he still decried the 9/11 attacks, did he not?
> Does the Catholic Church accept donations from the mob?
>
>>> I would give it back.
>>>
>>> ---Sure you would. Peace is an anathema to war mongers....
>>
>> "I will never send American boys to do what Asian boys ought to do,"
>> President Lyndon Baines Johnson, Liberal Democrat.
>
> ----LBJ was a moderate Democrat.
Nope. Great Society program. Tonkin Gulf resolution
And, we fought side by side with asian
> boys in that war, didn't we?
Nope.
>
>>>> But then that takes some integrity to do that and none to tout the
>>>> prize.
>>> ---Still doesn't change the dishonesty of your "columnist"....
>>
>> Nor your lack of integrity.
>
> ---I've got way more integrity than a fraud and hypocrite like you.
Tout tout.
>
>
Herbert Cannon
> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>> "Mark Goldberg" <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:485eebd4$0$5016$607e...@cv.net...
>>>>> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>>>> Busch is a cokehead and he made it as President.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah and you gotta admit he has killed a lot of Arabs.
>>>>> A lot of women and children as well.....
>>>> But he did not sell out his own like Murtha and kill his own like you
>>>> liberals do:
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Lone-Survivor-Eyewitness-Account-Operation/dp/0316067598
>>> others children, and women and whatever accidents of war took place on
>>> the US side, they pale, utterly, compared to the purposefully
>>> slaugtered, butchered, and homicided women and children.
>>>
>>> But he does not care.... that much is clear.
>>>
>> Duds is like Hal - he does not understand that we do not deliberately
>> target women and children and go out of our way to avoid doing such. The
>> other side does and goes out of their way to target them.
> ---No, dope, the point is, if you're going to claim that Shrub killed a
> lot of Arabs, well, he gets credit for the innocent deaths as well.
You have no point.
Herbert Cannon
Murtha Marine. Selling out men who fought and died pathetic and despicable.
David L. Burkhead
> David: quite frankly, I find you a tedious bore.
Why thank you. Not as high a compliment as an insult of one's
intelligence coming from Hal, but still pretty high.
> So I'll respond to
> this, and you can have whatever last word moves you.
> on 2008-06-23 17:50 David L. Burkhead said the following:
>> "Jerry B. Altzman" <jba...@altzman.com> wrote in message
>> news:IoU7k.2383$zE6.1117@trnddc02...
>>> No doubt there are. Those are mostly effective after you're crying
>>> over the beaten body of a child.
>> Actually, IME, they are most effective at being little tin gods
>> and enjoying making parents dance to their tune--things like taking
>> their
>
> That's cute. Your estimation.
The "E" in there was "Experience."
> I don't disagree that many of the child welfare "guardians" don't do
> squat. Which is why, in this case, you do indeed let the minor do
> some deciding.
Instead of actually fixing the problem. Check.
>> Strangely enough, the state always seems to be able to find
>> "foster care" (either with foster parents or in a "group home") for
>> these kinds of things. Maybe if they spent more time on _real_
>> cases of abuse and neglect....
>
> Yah, and there are almost as many cases of abuse/neglect in foster
> homes
> as in the homes the kids are pulled out of.
> More ammunition to empower the MINOR in this case.
Instead of fixing the problem.
And do you _really_ wonder why the problem keeps continuing?
>> The solution to the problem is to fix the problem, not create
>> new ones.
>
> Wow, now you've just cleared it all up for us all! I wonder how we
> ever
> got along without you.
Well, it does obviously seem that the idea of actually fixing the
problem is a strange concept to you.
> What's next: "Work smarter, not harder"?
Better than your looking where the light's better rather than where you
actually lost the whatever.
>>> Consider it a stopgap measure; an important one.
>> I suppose, in the same way that applying a blowtorch to your
>> right leg could be considered a "stopgap measure" to hitting your
>> left thumb with a hammer. You wouldn't be thinking about the pain
>> in your thumb any more would you?
>
> I suppose, in the same way that if you had a brain, you'd be twice as
> dangerous. Sheesh.
Hal, did you hack this account? I expected better from Jerry. Yeah,
the particular example was hyperbole, but I expected you to be able to
recognize it as such. Perhaps drinking oneself stupid to forget one's
financial woes works better for you.
> It's a stopgap measure; it allows a minor in a difficult enough
> situation to evaluate a situation and try to (possibly) avoid a
> dangerous situation.
"Stopgap measure"? Is that like "temporary emergency power" in
government?
> You see, we're really talking about the edge case protection here. A
> kid from a loving, supportive family won't be the likely beneficiary
> of this type of law.
Bullshit. Do you have any evidence at all that the bulk of the
"beneficiaries" are facing anything worse than a stern talking to?
Just how often does it really happen where a secret abortion is really
going to make a significant difference in avoiding being beaten "near to
death." Treating the extreme as the norm is a fallacy.
>>> That is, until beating child-beaters to near death becomes
>>> legitimized,
>> too.
>> Non sequitor.
>
> Vide supra about edge cases; I'll leave it to you to connect the dots
> in this ugly picture.
Since nobody, nobody at all, has suggested that beating a child near to
death is or should be acceptable your little scare tactic does not follow
(thus "non sequitor") and since the direction of legal and societal motion
is in the other direction, it's completely irrelevant as an "if this goes
on."
Basically, it's nothing more than a "look over there" fallacy.
>>> And yet, we routinely make exceptions for this based upon
>>> circumstances that place someone's life in danger.
>> Such as? I'm curious as to what "exceptions" involve the minor
>> making medical decisions and the parents not being informed. Since
>> it's routine" you shouldn't have trouble coming up with examples,
>> right?
>
> Sure. Minor at the playground calls 911 for another minor; no parents
> around. Doctors make the decisions *with* the minor, if the minor is
> awake alert and oriented, and *apparently* *capable* of doing so. (If
> not, doctors make all the decisions _in loco parentis_.)
The _doctors_ and _EMT's_ make the decisions. And only _until_ the
parents or guardians can be reached.
Sorry, does not match the situation.
> Not every
> decision can be made; seldom do minors leave hospitals AMA.
> Consent can come LATER; usually it comes when insurance paperwork
> needs filling out.
Actually, it comes as soon as the parents are contacted--which is at the
earliest possible opportunity.
>> Last time I saw EMT's called for an injury or illness, it wasn't
>> the _minor_ who made the decisions. And the parents certainly
>> weren't kept in the dark after the fact.
>
> This is true.
> And pregnancy is typically a different case altogether.
Then your analogy is invalid.
> And sometimes
> pregancy termination isn't even an emergency case.
Then your analogy is invalid.
>> That some may have "abrogated their responsibility" does _not_
>> justify the state grabbing responsibility from the rest.
>
> It's not grabbing responsibility, David.
Yes it is.
> The state is not arrogating
> responsibility for the children to itself; it's permitting someone who
> previously did NOT have competence to be competent.
This has nothing to do with the competence of the minors involved and
you know it. It's nothing more than a powerful political lobby wanting
_it's_ particular medical procedure treated special.
> The big print
> giveth, and the big print can taketh away, too.
There is nothing but the State. The State is All and All is the State.
And Jerry B. Altzman loves Big Brother.
>> But it's so popular these days, whenever someone does something
>> "bad," to punish all those who _didn't_ do it.
>
> Because, God knows, the girl getting the abortion *isn't* being
> punished
> or suffering at all.
"The one's who didn't do it." Which word didn't you understand?
> Why, it's a walk in the park!
> Who's being punished in this case, David?
Taking away rights, including parental rights, _is_ a punishment.
> Wait, I don't really care
> about your answer, if you bother to do so.
Got it, your mind is made up. No different positions need apply.
Thank you for letting me see this side of you. Now I'll know better in
the future.
--
--
David L. Burkhead -- Cold Servings, a webcomic
mailto:dbur...@sff.net -- http://www.coldservings.com
http://www.cafepress.com/oshaforcriminal <- OSHA for Criminals
Herbert Cannon
>
> On one side, you have a bitch who is a lawyer, married to a lawyer, and a
> lawyer who is married to a bitch who is a lawyer.
>
> On the other side, you have a true war hero married to a woman with a
> large
> breasts who owns a beer distributorship.
>
> Is there a contest here? '
suds macheath
suds macheath
> "suds macheath" <sudsm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:t6V7k.1902$CC....@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
>> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>> "suds macheath" <sudsm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:PwP7k.3189$1I....@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>>>> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>>> "suds macheath" <sudsm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Uiv7k.10597$3F5....@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>>>>> Busch is a cokehead and he made it as President.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah and you gotta admit he has killed a lot of Arabs.
>>>>>> A lot of women and children as well.....
>>>>> But he did not sell out his own like Murtha and kill his own like you
>>>>> liberals do:
>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Lone-Survivor-Eyewitness-Account-Operation/dp/0316067598
>>>> ---Whoop te do, another right wing screed....
>>> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/questions_for_obama_1.html
>>>
>> ---And yet another.....
>
> Murtha Marine. Selling out men who fought and died pathetic and despicable.
>
>
suds macheath
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/us/politics/23ethanol.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=Ethanol&st=nyt&oref=slogin
>
>
Of course, none of this has anything to do with the pack of lies
previously posted and debunked....
suds macheath
suds macheath
---Who dumped his first wife , who stood by him faithfully when he was a
POW, because she wasn't model material after a horrendous auto
accident, then married a 23 yr old trophy wife.
Typical Repub values, a la Gingrich...
>> Is there a contest here? '
---Aren't these the same folk who mocked Kerry for marrying into wealth?
Repub hypocrisy on display again....
suds macheath
> "suds macheath" <sudsm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:TvP7k.3188$1I....@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>> "suds macheath" <sudsm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Sfv7k.10595$3F5....@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>>>> That’s right, the Nobel Institute is just all about getting their name
>>>>>> out there so they can sell more copies of Nobel magazine. That Gandhi
>>>>>> centerfold they had a few months ago was IN FUEGO.
>>>>> Isn't that the institute that gave Arafat a peace prize?
>>>> ---According to this source, he got a third of a prize.
>>> They dont give the prize in thirds moron.
>> According to Nobel's site they do......dope.
>> http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1994/
>
> Naw you get the prize.
---Proven wrong again, eh, dope?
>>>> Shimon Perez and Yitzhak Rabin each got a third for their contributions
>>>> to peace in the middle east.
>>>> http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1994/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The guy who is on
>>>>> tape ordering the murder of two American diplomats.
>>>> Before or after the Nobel?
>>>>
>>>> I also remember that he was first in line to donate blood to the 9/11
>>>> victims....
>>> WOW that is like the Mafia donating to the catholic church.
>> ---Yet, he still decried the 9/11 attacks, did he not?
>> Does the Catholic Church accept donations from the mob?
>>
>>>> I would give it back.
>>>>
>>>> ---Sure you would. Peace is an anathema to war mongers....
>>> "I will never send American boys to do what Asian boys ought to do,"
>>> President Lyndon Baines Johnson, Liberal Democrat.
>> ----LBJ was a moderate Democrat.
>
> Nope. Great Society program. Tonkin Gulf resolution
----Still a moderate.The liberals of the day were for immediate
withdrawal from VN....
>
> And, we fought side by side with asian
>> boys in that war, didn't we?
>
> Nope.
----What, a great scholar like you never heard of the ARVN?
Typical.....
suds macheath
Wrong. Clinton and NATO stopped genocide started by a madman without a
single loss of American life.
> Thank you President Clinton for letting Obama live when you could have
> easily offed him.
---Obama?
Thanks Repubs for denigrating Clinton's attempts to kill Bin Laden as
"wagging the dog"....
not believing AQ was a threat until 9/11....
suds macheath
---You mean, the guy that took the finals for him.....
Herbert Cannon
Oh I did not know someone took the finals for Kerry.
Subject: I'm Speechless
Obama Explains National Anthem Stance
Is this guy crazy or what!
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:48:04 -0400, 'LT. Bill Ginn' USAF ret forwarded:
Hot on the heels of his explanation for why he no longer wears a flag pin,
presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama was forced to explain why he
doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.
According to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171 .....
During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all
present except those in uniform are expected to stand at ;attention facing
the flag with the right hand over the heart.
'As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking
sides,' Obama said. 'There are a lot of people in
the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the
anthem itself conveys a war like message. You know, the bombs bursting in
air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less
bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like to Teach the World to
Sing.' If that were our anthem, then I might salute it.'
WHAAAAAAAT!!!!!!!!!! Yes, ladies and gentlemen, this
could possibly be our next president. I, for one, am speechless . .
suds macheath
> "suds macheath" <sudsm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:uO88k.11744$3F5....@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>> ----What were George W. Bush's three hardest years? A: Second grade.
>>> Bush's college average was higher than Kerrys. HAHAHAHA'
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/us/politics/23ethanol.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=Ethanol&st=nyt&oref=slogin
>>>
>>>
>> ---You mean, the guy that took the finals for him.....
>
> Oh I did not know someone took the finals for Kerry.
---The famous Dorbert lack of reading comp strikes again...
> Subject: I'm Speechless
>
>
> Obama Explains National Anthem Stance
> Is this guy crazy or what!
>
>
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:48:04 -0400, 'LT. Bill Ginn' USAF ret forwarded:
>
> Hot on the heels of his explanation for why he no longer wears a flag pin,
----even more lapel pin nonsense...
> presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama was forced to explain why he
> doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.
>
> According to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171 .....
> During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all
> present except those in uniform are expected to stand at ;attention facing
> the flag with the right hand over the heart.
----HaHaHa! 90% of the patrons at a ball game don't follow protocol
then..lock 'em up, eh, Derf?
from:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp
"Experts on the national anthem say the law seem a bit out of date,
given it's reference to a man's "headress".
Modern custom does not require a hand over the heart, said Anne Garside,
director of communication for the Maryland Historical Society, home of
the original manuscript of the SSB.
" I think the bottom line is that you show respect with your demeanor",
she said.
"Whether you put your hand on your heart, hold your hat at shoulder
level or waist level, is really in this day and age irrelevant."
The senator himself said, "my grandfather taught me when I was 2. During
the Pledge of Allegiance, you put your hand on your heart. During the
National Anthem, you sing."
----How sensible.
>
> 'As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking
> sides,' Obama said.
----Where did he say this, besides this "smear mail"?
'There are a lot of people in
> the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the
> anthem itself conveys a war like message. You know, the bombs bursting in
> air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less
> bellicose.
----I heartily agree. And, I'm not the only one. The SSB is an old 17th
century English pub tune. I'd gladly switch it for "America, the Beautiful".
I like the song 'I'd Like to Teach the World to
> Sing.' If that were our anthem, then I might salute it.'
---This sounds like more right wing propaganda to me.
Ah, here it is! Another lie unmasked!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp
and.....
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp
You'll have to do better than a poison pen email as a cite.
> WHAAAAAAAT!!!!!!!!!! Yes, ladies and gentlemen, this
> could possibly be our next president. I, for one, am speechless . .
and a liar as well....
Herbert Cannon
was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a
conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and
his bid to be our President.
The old rancher said, 'Well, ya know, Obama is a post turtle'. Not being
familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'post turtle' was. The
old rancher said, 'When you're driving down a country road and you come
acros s a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle'.
The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so he continued to
explain. 'You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up
there, he doesn't know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder
what kind of a dumb ass put him up there.'
trav...@aol.com
> > anthem itself conveys a war like message. You know, the bombs bursting in
> > air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less
> > bellicose.
>
> ----I heartily agree. And, I'm not the only one. The SSB is an old 17th
> century English pub tune. I'd gladly switch it for "America, the Beautiful".
WTF? ATB is a fucking kids song with no spine. Star Spangled Banner
is the one thing we got w/ no "god" in it. ATB is weak and sounds
like a euro national anthem. Fuck that shit.
Trav
shuu...@gmail.com
> > As a parent, wouldn't you want to know if your underage daughter had a
> > medical procedure in another state?
>
> Yes, but I am also unlikely to beat my child to near death for having to
> need such a procedure in the first case.
In other words, instead of focusing on the child beaters (because lord
knows these types of peope ONLY beat their kids when pregnancy is
involved) we undermine ALL parents right to have a say in their
childrens medical care?
> Not everyone is as enlightened as you or I in this regard.
So therefore we take away the responsibility from everyone. A minor
is not considered competant to make decisions about routine medical
care; but for a potentially life-changing medical decison, we should
not only let them decide but actively prevent their parents from
having a say?
By "life changing" I am referring to the fact that many women who have
abortions later experience psychological trauma; even adult woman are
encouraged to seek counciling both before and after the procedure.
But you go on with your "enlightened' position that a child ought to
be able to sneak across state lines and have one done in secret.
The state has no fucking business deciding what a parent can and
cannot know about their child.
Jerry B. Altzman
>>> As a parent, wouldn't you want to know if your underage daughter had a
>>> medical procedure in another state?
>> Yes, but I am also unlikely to beat my child to near death for having to
>> need such a procedure in the first case.
> In other words, instead of focusing on the child beaters (because lord
> knows these types of peope ONLY beat their kids when pregnancy is
> involved) we undermine ALL parents right to have a say in their
> childrens medical care?
Alternatively, we allow the more competent to make their decisions, even
in cases where their parents may not approve.
>> Not everyone is as enlightened as you or I in this regard.
> So therefore we take away the responsibility from everyone. A minor
No, we offer the responsibility to the child; you know, the one who's
actually PREGNANT in this case.
> is not considered competant to make decisions about routine medical
> care; but for a potentially life-changing medical decison, we should
> not only let them decide but actively prevent their parents from
> having a say?
Um, yes. Given that it's not their parents who are going to be bearing
the child, here.
> By "life changing" I am referring to the fact that many women who have
> abortions later experience psychological trauma; even adult woman are
> encouraged to seek counciling both before and after the procedure.
> But you go on with your "enlightened' position that a child ought to
No joke; and I'm not suggesting that the minor in question not be
ushered into the operating suite with no questions asked here. You're
painting a very black-and-white picture here, and I'm not.
> be able to sneak across state lines and have one done in secret.
Um, in the extreme case, yes.
Like I've asserted already, the primary beneficiary of this type of law
is NOT the child of loving parents, actively involved in the child's life.
Herbert Cannon
>> And, we fought side by side with asian
>>> boys in that war, didn't we?
>>
>> Nope.
A minimal scholar like you never heard of " Tet."
Herbert Cannon
>>>> Goodbye Soviets.
>>> ---Hello Russians and Al Qeada....
>>
>> Hello President Clinton and Bosnia gateway for radical Islam to europe.
>
>
> Wrong. Clinton and NATO stopped genocide started by a madman without a
> single loss of American life.
It would be nice if it were that simple; but, unfortuantely it is not. Wrong
on the casualties, we lost 4 in Kosovo. The Gulf War conducted in Bush Sr.
term had no casualties.
Wrong also about the genocide, it continues to this day. You obviously have
never studied the Balkans. They are still a hotbed of ill feeling, murder
and genocide. I will depart here from my cut and paste to annoy you and
attempt to educate you a little bit. As President Kennedy once said, "
Domestic policy can hurt you, foreign policy can kill you." So it is
important that you study this area. I have attempted to get you do this
before. It is a problem that will plague the next American President, no
matter who wins. Everyone should be thoroughly familiar with the problems so
they know what is actually happening and our limits.
President Clinton was very skeptical about getting involved in the Balkans,
and rightfully so, especially after reading the book " Balkan Ghosts."
(Which incidentally is a very good book.) However, he was being pushed by
the biased news media and lectured to by such eminent intellectuals as Elie
Wiesel author of the book " Night " and holacaust survivor. So he got
invovled. I suggest you read the book " Unholy Terror - Bosnia, Al Qaida,
And The Rise of Global Jihad" by John R Schinderler, Professor of Strategy,
U. S. Naval War College. We did a host of things wrong in Bosnia. One thing
we did was rearm the radical jihadist ( a lot of the arms acquired under
Reagan by the Jiahadist had pretty much worn out by this time) and turn a
pro western country into a pro radical Islam country. American foreign
policy really went amuck here. The book will also tell you how much was
simply misreported by western correspondents. ( As aside if you have ever
read the book " Taking it Back" you will find the Democarts are all that
enamored of what is reported either). The author accuses Annapour, CNN
correspondent, of being pro Moslem. If you watched her " God's Warriors," it
does not take any real smarts to come to that conclusion just some
knowledge. I suggest you read what she reported out of Sarajevo and how the
Bosnian govt refused to end the siege when it could have done so. Another
book that is a must read is " Al Qaida's Jihad in Europe - The Afghan-
Bosnian Network" by Evan F Kohlman. You can pick up any history of the
Balkans book for background on that turbulent area.
One has to wonder what Obama will accomplish by talking to the President of
Iran. He is a product of the Basijj, Iran's Revolutionary Guard. That is
equivalent to Hitler's brown shirts. When the students at Tehran University
demonstrated the Revolutionary Guard were sent in to beat them into
submission. Several students died from the beatings. Does Obama understand
who he is dealing with? (Bush sure did not when he talked to Putin). Irans,
so called elected polticians, are all approved by the Ayatollah before they
are allowed to run. They have to meet strict religious credentials. They are
radical Islamists. I would suggest you try reading " The Iranians - Persia,
Islam and the Soul of a Nation" by Sandra Mackey and " Answering Only to
God - Faith and Freedom in Twenty First Century Iran " by Geneive Abdo and
Jonathan Lyons. The Iranian people do not like their government very much;
and this is very obvious, if you read any current articles on Iran.
Hopefully, the country will become much more moderate in the future. But
that may be a false hope for a theocracy. If you are the reader you claim
to be, it is long past time for you to educate yourself on this history,
culture, traditon and problems in this area.
Abandoning Iraq could, at this juncture be a grave mistake. It could turn
over Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon to Iran. A rather dangerous situation. Think
about what blocking the strait of Hormuz could do. It is too bad you did
not have the opportunity to listen to reserve Marine Corps Cpt. Narvarro,
author of the book " God Willing," describe his second tour in Iraq. He said
it was like night and day. He said he did not even get shot at on his second
tour something that would have been unheard on his first tour to the same
area.
I will never understand the Democrats rabid desire to hold onto Afghanistan
while marching out of Iraq come hell or high water. It makes little sense to
me.
Anyway, it is up to you to educate yourself. I strongly suggest if you read
" Fiasco" then you should read Fieth's, " War and Decision - In the Pentagon
at the Dawn of the War on Terror." Shockingly enough you will find there was
a lot of bipartisan effort that went into Iraq and a lot of misreporting.
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>> Thank you President Clinton for letting Obama live when you could have
>> easily offed him.
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> ---Obama?
Osama bin Laden.
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> Thanks Repubs for denigrating Clinton's attempts to kill Bin Laden as
> "wagging the dog"....
I am afraid that was Hollywood and not the Rebpublicans that made that
movie; and Hollywood is known as a democratic stronghold. So your wrath is a
tad misplaced. As far as Clinton's attempts to kill Bin Laden- face it - he
botched them and that is on record.
> not believing AQ was a threat until 9/11....
>
No one believed AQ was that much of a threat. I suggest you read Chapter one
of the book "World War IV" called " The 9 -11 Blame Game." Every
administration walked away and ignored AQ and Afghanistan pretty much
leaving it alone. Hell they ignored terrorism as a threat thinking it was
for cops and courts. That stretched as far back as Gerald Ford. Osama could
have easily been taken out very early. I suggest you get the book " Hunting
Carlos" and read it. It is by a Special Forces troop.
It is not just AQ that exists as a threat it is Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic
Jihad etc ( " Jihad Incorporated" by Stephen Emerson.). The threat is much
larger than you imagine. When I attempt to get you to understand it you pooh
pooh it saying I think every Moslem is out to kill me. You ignore the Danish
cartoons fiasco and the fraud Koran desecration demos. I have pasted a
recent front page article, under this post, from the New York Times as an
illustration of how extensive the threat is. I am out of time.
You can continue to wrap yourself in political dogma are get serious about
this problem. It is only one of many that will confront this nation.
The cutting and pasting was fun!!
Herbert Cannon
Herbert Cannon
There are less than eight months until the election, an election that
will decide the next President of the United States . The person elected
will be the president of all Americans, not just the Democrats or the
Republicans. To show our solidarity as Americans, let's all get together
and show each other our support for the candidate of our choice. It's
time that we all came together, Democrats and Republicans alike.
If you support the policies and character of John McCain, please drive
with your headlights on during the day.
If you support Obama or Hillary, please drive with your headlights off
at night.
Herbert Cannon
Herbert Cannon
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> You know, this is a Dan Quayle moment. I mean, Dan Quayle goes out there
> and misspells 'potato,' and we still hear jokes about it.Barack Obama says
> he's gonna to campaign in 57 states. Well, it's been such a long
> campaign. He's been so many places. He probably thinks there are 57
> states.
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> Well, I have here a printout from a website called the International
> Humanist and Ethical Union. And here is how the second paragraph of an
> article on that website begins.
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> 'Every year from 1999 to 2005 the organization of the Islamic conference,
> representing the 57 Islamic states presented a resolution to the United
> Nations Commission on human rights called combating.' Again, this is from
> the International Humanist and Ethical Union. And the title of the piece
> is, 'How the Islamic states dominate the UN Human Rights Council.' And
> there are 57 of them.
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> What a coincidence that Obama is going to campaign in 57 states.
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> So did Obama just lose his bearings, or was this more than just a slip of
> the tongue, ladies and gentlemen?
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Herbert Cannon
>>> ---And yet another.....
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>> Murtha Marine. Selling out men who fought and died pathetic and
>> despicable.
> ---Lying, right wing hypocrite....typical.....
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