I live where the public schools are 95% black ( intergration really worked well did it not). That is elementary and high schools. The drop out rate in high schools is a whopping 50%. The crime rate is very high here too. Guess who. If you want your kids to get a decent education, you send them to private school. Fortunately, being a state with a lot of Catholics there is a large number of private religious schools. Meanwhile the liberals swoon and cry over the blacks ( remember Katrina and New Orleans ) and never tell the truth about what is really happening. Now go read, " Makes Me Wanna Holler."
Herbert Cannon wrote: > I live where the public schools are 95% black ( intergration really worked > well did it not).
----And, segregation worker well for you, did it not?
That is elementary and high schools. The drop out rate in
> high schools is a whopping 50%. The crime rate is very high here too. Guess > who.
----Don't have to guess...who's 95% of the population?
> If you want your kids to get a decent education, you send them to private > school. Fortunately, being a state with a lot of Catholics there is a large > number of private religious schools. > Meanwhile the liberals swoon and cry over the blacks ( remember Katrina and > New Orleans ) and never tell the truth about what is really happening. > Now go read, " Makes Me Wanna Holler."
-----OK.....
Rockets, moon shots Spend it on the have nots Money, we make it Fore we see it you take it Oh, make you wanna holler The way they do my life Make me wanna holler The way they do my life This ain't livin', This ain't livin' No, no baby, this ain't livin' No, no, no Inflation no chance To increase finance Bills pile up sky high Send that boy off to die Make me wanna holler The way they do my life Make me wanna holler The way they do my life
Hang ups, let downs Bad breaks, set backs Natural fact is I can't pay my taxes Oh, make me wanna holler And throw up both my hands Yea, it makes me wanna holler And throw up both my hands Crime is increasing Trigger happy policing Panic is spreading God know where we're heading Oh, make me wanna holler They don't understand
Everybody thinks we're wrong Who are they to judge us Simply cause we wear our hair long
"We have a school...named for Dr. King... The school is full of sewer water and the doors are locked with chains. Every student in that school is black. It's like a terrible joke on history."
Savage inequalities, indeed. This book, by Jonathon Kozol, is a testimony to the injustice and brutality of the American public school system. After spending two years touring some of the country's best and worst schools, Kozol put together a terrifying and heartbreaking summary of everything that is wrong with public education. Schools without running water, trash collection, or text books. Students who are sentenced to live in fatally toxic conditions without hope of escape. Teachers who work for less than minimum wage in over-crowded classrooms under threat of violence. If you haven't read this book, you should. It will open your eyes to a world of anger and pain that many of us never get to see.
The public school system in the U.S. is set up so that the majority of funding comes directly from local property tax. In affluent neighborhoods, this means low tax rates on high-value property vs. a destitute neighborhood's high tax rates on low-value property. This creates a situation in which the wealthy can effortlessly raise a surplus of money for their children's educations, whereas the poor tax themselves at an exorbitant rate just to meet a bare minimum. Many would argue that state and federal funding is available, therefore the inequalities are remedied. That's actually not true. Here's why:
The federal government counts property tax as a tax deduction. Therefore, the wealthier you are (and the more property tax you paid to your school district), the more money you get back as a subsidy. In other words, Uncle Sam paid the rich for being rich and left the poor to fend for themselves.
Not only did the government screw the poor through subsidy, they also stole a great deal of their best real estate. The number of entirely tax-free institutions, like colleges, museums, hospitals etc, are in cities. We don't normally think of these institutions as having a negative effect on an area, but if you look at it from an economic standpoint, they actually add to the inequality. Kozol cites 30% or more of the potential local tax base for cities as being tax-exempt, compared to perhaps 3% in the suburbs. The children who live in these affluent suburban areas, of course, benefit from the use of these tax-free institutions and are far more likely to enjoy the use of universities or museums than their impoverished urban counterparts.
Many people, even those who view themselves as liberals on other issues, tend to grow indignant, even rather agitated, if invited to look closely at these inequalities. "Life isn't fair," one parent in Winnetka answered flatly when I pressed the matter. "Wealthy children also go to summer camp. All summer. Poor kids maybe not at all... Weatlhy children have the chance to go to Europe and have the access to good libraries, encylopedias, computers, better doctors, nicer homes. Some of my neighbors send their kids to schools like Exeter and Groton. Is government supposed to equalize these things as well?"
But government, of course, does not assign us to our homes, our summer camps, our doctors--or to Exeter. It does assign us to our public schools. Indeed, it forces us to go to them. Unless we have the wealth to pay for private education, we are compelled by law to go to public school--and to the public school in our district. Thus the state, by requiring attendance but refusing to require equity, effectively requires inequality. Compulsory inequity, perpetuated by state law, too frequently condemns our children to unequal lives.
Oftentimes the wealthy are seen as dignified, civilized, cultured and productive citizens of society. The poor are looked down upon--uneducated, dirty, savage. Reading this book, however, makes one wonder who the real savages are.
> Herbert Cannon wrote: >> I live where the public schools are 95% black ( intergration really >> worked well did it not).
> ----And, segregation worker well for you, did it not?
How did it work for you?
> That is elementary and high schools. The drop out rate in >> high schools is a whopping 50%. The crime rate is very high here too. >> Guess who.
> ----Don't have to guess...who's 95% of the population?
35% - still guess who.
>> If you want your kids to get a decent education, you send them to private >> school. Fortunately, being a state with a lot of Catholics there is a >> large number of private religious schools. >> Meanwhile the liberals swoon and cry over the blacks ( remember Katrina >> and New Orleans ) and never tell the truth about what is really >> happening. >> Now go read, " Makes Me Wanna Holler."
I see you from your inane response are still in denial and hiding behind any excuse you can dredge up. That is why the problem will never get solved. No surprise there.
What he's saying is what I have been saying for years. There are inarguably differences between the races and it is unrealistic to expect blacks to conform to white cultural norms.
Education, learning, impulse control, abstract reasoning...these are not part of some shared aptitude base of humanity. Blacks see white law as unduly constraining and unfair. In the aggregate, they do not find themselves capable of obeying it. They simply have different ideas as to what constitutes fairness.
One can make a clear argument that their norms are overtly destructive to what we call "civilization" but that's what WE call civilization. Civilization is a white and asian construct.
> ----Don't have to guess...who's 95% of the population?
Of the population or the public schools?
Look, dumbass, blacks commit more than half of the violent crime in the USA. It doesn't matter what their population is in any area...if they are more than 12% of the population, they will commit a majority of the crime.
The inequalities are because of the students, not the system.
> "We have a school...named for Dr. King... The school is full of sewer > water and the doors are locked with chains. Every student in that school > is black. It's like a terrible joke on history."
What difference would it make? Did you read that fuckin article I gave you on rich blacks in rich schools? They STILL underperform! And the study was performed over the course of months by a fuckin Nigerian!
> The public school system in the U.S. is set up so that the majority of > funding comes directly from local property tax. In affluent > neighborhoods, this means low tax rates on high-value property vs. a > destitute neighborhood's high tax rates on low-value property. This > creates a situation in which the wealthy can effortlessly raise a
You idiot...FUNDING is not the problem! Why do you liberal IDIOTS always assume that MONEY is the fucking answer?
There is NO AMOUNT OF MONEY that will make a kid with an IQ of 85 outperform one with an IQ of 105! NONE.
> to perhaps 3% in the suburbs. The children who live in these affluent > suburban areas, of course, benefit from the use of these tax-free > institutions and are far more likely to enjoy the use of universities or > museums than their impoverished urban counterparts.
Blacks don't GO TO MUSEUMS, and other WHITE places! Don't you GET IT? They have no INTEREST in history, science, art...look at their fucking continent!
> summer camp. All summer. Poor kids maybe not at all... Weatlhy children > have the chance to go to Europe and have the access to good libraries, > encylopedias, computers, better doctors, nicer homes. Some of my > neighbors send their kids to schools like Exeter and Groton. Is > government supposed to equalize these things as well?"
MONEY IS IRRELEVANT. What matters is INTELLIGENCE.
The top high school in the nation, TJ, is NOT FULL of rich kids! It is disproportionately fuckin ASIAN. People move here from all over the COUNTRY so that their kids can get into this school. It has NOTHING to do with money!
> But government, of course, does not assign us to our homes, our summer > camps, our doctors--or to Exeter. It does assign us to our public > schools. Indeed, it forces us to go to them. Unless we have the wealth > to pay for private education, we are compelled by law to go to public > school--and to the public school in our district. Thus the state, by > requiring attendance but refusing to require equity, effectively > requires inequality. Compulsory inequity, perpetuated by state law, too > frequently condemns our children to unequal lives.
Why are these areas full of blacks so poor?
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE for the crimes blacks commit, the property they destroy and their OWN behaviors?
> Oftentimes the wealthy are seen as dignified, civilized, cultured and > productive citizens of society. The poor are looked down > upon--uneducated, dirty, savage. Reading this book, however, makes one > wonder who the real savages are.
That's because THEY ARE.
There is NO nobility in being POOR. NONE. You are NOT BETTER because you are poor.
The poor are poor because they cannot engage consistently in the BEHAVIORS necessary to become rich.
On 2009-07-03 08:22:39 -0400, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> said:
> I live where the public schools are 95% black ( intergration really > worked well did it not). That is elementary and high schools. The drop > out rate in high schools is a whopping 50%. The crime rate is very high > here too. Guess who. > If you want your kids to get a decent education, you send them to > private school. Fortunately, being a state with a lot of Catholics > there is a large number of private religious schools. > Meanwhile the liberals swoon and cry over the blacks ( remember Katrina > and New Orleans ) and never tell the truth about what is really > happening. > Now go read, " Makes Me Wanna Holler."
Did Bush and Cheney tell the truth about the Saddam - 9/11 connection that they touted so ferociously?
-- "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis
On 2009-07-03 12:39:36 -0400, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> said:
> "suds mcduff" <sudsmcduff19...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:X5p3m.62734$b9.31408@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> YumYumPandaburger wrote: >>> Hmm I'll happily prefer my European private school education over this
>> ---I'm happy your parents could provide one.....
> Since he lives in Belgium, does not seem like it would be hard , Dump.
Fuck Belgium. Whats the little asshole doing now? Does he have a job? Or is he 420 in Amsterdam? -- "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis
> What he's saying is what I have been saying for years. There are > inarguably differences between the races and it is unrealistic to > expect blacks to conform to white cultural norms.
> Education, learning, impulse control, abstract reasoning...these are > not part of some shared aptitude base of humanity. Blacks see white > law as unduly constraining and unfair. In the aggregate, they do not > find themselves capable of obeying it. They simply have different > ideas as to what constitutes fairness.
> One can make a clear argument that their norms are overtly destructive > to what we call "civilization" but that's what WE call civilization. > Civilization is a white and asian construct.
HELL THE FUCK NO!
"Civilization" to Euros is the God Given Right to kill and enslave others at will.
-- "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis
> On 2009-07-03 12:39:36 -0400, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> said:
>> "suds mcduff" <sudsmcduff19...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:X5p3m.62734$b9.31408@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >>> YumYumPandaburger wrote: >>>> Hmm I'll happily prefer my European private school education over this
Not the race, the culture. Any with the professional victim-hood mentality, that they A. deserve & B must hate just because their culture tells them to. From a documentary on Native Americans fight for their rights, while occupying a small island, one guy was going around proclaiming Red power & hate whitey, but when asked, he had only been told by his mother that "morning" that he was part Indian & till then had though he was white. But then had jumped on the hate bandwagon & oppressed people mind-set.
We hear stories of ppl in China who make $30 a YEAR & then are told by spoiled propagandists that "you just can't live on that minimum wage, lest insist to raise it so that we can force more companies out of business, spike unemployment & encourage the hiring of illegals & sending of jobs over to where ppl will work for $30 a year". When someone suggests to "lower" or eliminate minimum wage, then get back with me about intelligence.
Reverse the slogans of any culture & if it seems unfair in reverse it is unfair as is. So imagine if instead of "fight the power" it was "fight the hood", double-standard cries of racism, Might be the Jewish ghetto hood but watch assumptions skip to where culture has propagandized people to see who is the "power" & who is in the "hood" or ghetto or whatever sling term you chuck in there.
The idea of giving back to one's community sounds great, till you hear cryes of racism if it is the perceived in power, but if it is perceived as the deserving, vengeful, payback, persecuted victims race, it is give back to ONLY their own culture part of the community & don't let a penny slip to those evil other people even if they are poorer but not culturally persecution-assumed. Same with drug addicts & drunks, can get much more help, sympathy, etc than if you are clean cut, non-drinker, etc, must be a rick conservative republican if they don't do weed. So the substance abusers who steal to buy drugs, spend all their money maybe fortunes on drugs & thus are "poor", are so sympathy-getting cause it is the fault of the man or power or whoever they can blame besides that they messed up their own life. Immane a world where if you had done drugs, you were banned from public office & maybe all jobs & maybe just executed or not approved of or anything in-between. Instead, it has become that the non-drivers, non-abusers, non-criminals are looked upon as the not cool, not the in-crowd & not glorified in Hollywood depiction of supposed-reality. Cause of course Hollywood is such a fine example of moral values....
Anyways, it is the culture though, Fight the propaganda, get educated, become a productive part of the power, empower yourself, dare to be different, not the cooky-cutter so-called-rebel conforming to the propaganda culture of hate & victimhood.
Bo
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth a war, is worse." --- John Stuart Mill
Oh, & the best investment is not sending in your old or unused gold jewelry NOR buy Gold & wait, but invest in education, knowledge, training, Nerd-power!!! hehe.
Don't depend on "public" schools in this day & age. It is past the time where only a few had libraries or even books & only the rich & priests could read. Don't depend on the Teachers Union corrupted liberal education system. get books on Amazon, read it to your kids. Get old books in re-print, rather than revised books where Mexicans won the US civil war for us & other revisions & skewed 'visions" of history such as that Women made everything (ala feminism rewriting of history).
Who discovered X-rays? It was NOT Madam Curie, she just got the credit from her husband's work after he died & they weren't even the only ones doing the researching of it. Or versions where America was not founded on Christian values or the German WWII Holicost of the jews didn't occur, etc altered to suide agendas.
Bo
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth a war, is worse." --- John Stuart Mill
>>> "suds mcduff" <sudsmcduff19...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:X5p3m.62734$b9.31408@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >>>> YumYumPandaburger wrote: >>>>> Hmm I'll happily prefer my European private school education over this
Herbert Cannon wrote: > "suds mcduff" <sudsmcduff19...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:7lp3m.62739$b9.24393@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> Herbert Cannon wrote: >>> I live where the public schools are 95% black ( intergration really >>> worked well did it not).
>> ----And, segregation worker well for you, did it not?
---I was quite young at desegregation.....you seem to long for segregations return....
> How did it work for you? >> That is elementary and high schools. The drop out rate in >>> high schools is a whopping 50%. The crime rate is very high here too. >>> Guess who. >> ----Don't have to guess...who's 95% of the population?
> 35% - still guess who.
----You just said that the school population was 95% black....and. in addition, the 35% lives in the most poverty stricken areas, do they not....white slums don't have crime now, Dim?
>>> If you want your kids to get a decent education, you send them to private >>> school. Fortunately, being a state with a lot of Catholics there is a >>> large number of private religious schools. >>> Meanwhile the liberals swoon and cry over the blacks ( remember Katrina >>> and New Orleans ) and never tell the truth about what is really >>> happening. >>> Now go read, " Makes Me Wanna Holler." > I see you from your inane response are still in denial and hiding behind > any excuse you can dredge up. That is why the problem will never get solved. > No surprise there.
----Can't stand the truth about built in inequities, eh Dim?