Martial Arts style and Kendo
SunRunner
martial art. Is there any particular style that works best with Kendo?
I live in the Stroudsburg, PA area.
Thanks in advance for your replies.
kirks...@yourclothesoperamail.com
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Hmm.
I want to say aikido or jjj but I'll let the actual kendoka speak.
(Yoseikan budo - which is a combination of aikido, karate and sword
work seems to be a reasonable precedent)
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-B
Rabid Weasel
> I am considering taking up Kendo and also thought I would take up a
> martial art. Is there any particular style that works best with Kendo?
> I live in the Stroudsburg, PA area.
Kendo is a martial art in it's own right.
What exactly is it that you want to accomplish with this art in addition
to Kendo?
Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk
kirks...@yourclothesoperamail.com
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I'm a lumberjack and I'm Ok
I fuck all night and I...
No wait, that's the *other* version
(hilariously, these were the lyrics to a pr0n vid I saw about 5 yrs
ago. Don't ask me why - there weren't any lumberjacks on it. Though
one lovely lady did something very disturbing with a windup
children's toy)
Neil Gendzwill
> I am considering taking up Kendo and also thought I would take up a
> martial art. Is there any particular style that works best with Kendo?
> I live in the Stroudsburg, PA area.
Kendo *is* a martial art. I suggest you pick a single martial art to
start with, be it kendo or whatever else interests you, and stick with
it for a couple of years before adding anything else. Beginners get
confused enough learning one thing, never mind learning two and getting
their wires crossed.
Neil
Strider
wrote:
> I am considering taking up Kendo and also thought I would take up a
Kendo is a martial art.
I suspect that you seek an empty hand form. Ju Jitsu was the
traditional empty hand form of the Samurai.
Very practical as well.
Strider
T
Probably the martial art that would best complement kendo would be kendo.
If you mean an unarmed art, judo.
If you mean another armed art, gun fu.
Rabid Weasel
> If you mean another armed art, gun fu.
In the absence of gun-fu, various forms of knife-fu and
shorter-than-shinai-stick-fu are also good.
Badger_South
Spend a summer as a lumberjack and when you come back to school you will
smoke all the other kendoists.
-B
Neil Gendzwill
>
> Spend a summer as a lumberjack and when you come back to school you will
> smoke all the other kendoists.
Here's what happens when the lumberjack style meets even beginner-level
kendo:
http://fight-vids.net/video/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=70
The fellow in question was in Japan on an exchange trip and challenges
the sensei in some local dojo. The sensei assigns a junior student to
whup his ass. The link claims the junior had only 4 months training,
but he looks more like 2 years to me. The bozo making the challenge had
been playing for a couple of years in the US apparently.
Neil
kirks...@yourclothesoperamail.com
<ngend...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Badger_South wrote:
>>
>> Spend a summer as a lumberjack and when you come back to school you will
>> smoke all the other kendoists.
>
>Here's what happens when the lumberjack style meets even beginner-level
>kendo:
>
>http://fight-vids.net/video/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=70
>
OK, but at 44mb it better be good...
(is there anyway to preview avi files while they download, as per
mpeg, wmv etc? Win media Player10 keeps telling me the file is in use.
If I pause the download, it refuses to acknowledge it as an avi file.
I know you can preview avi's with kazza, but elsewhere...?)
kirks...@yourclothesoperamail.com
wrote:
>OK, but at 44mb it better be good...
>
>(is there anyway to preview avi files while they download, as per
>mpeg, wmv etc? Win media Player10 keeps telling me the file is in use.
>If I pause the download, it refuses to acknowledge it as an avi file.
>I know you can preview avi's with kazza, but elsewhere...?)
Nevermind.
Use avi preview from Kazza to open partial file.
Doh.
Badger_South
wrote:
>Badger_South wrote:
Ah, the advantages of trolling. (thanks Neil, downloading).
-B
Neil Gendzwill
> Ah, the advantages of trolling. (thanks Neil, downloading).
The ass-whupping part isn't all that spectacular, but it is pretty
funny, especially the bit in the middle. "Raise the roof" (you'll get
what I mean when you see it).
Here's another pretty cool video:
http://kumdo.ne.kr/main/read.cgi?board=33&nnew=2&y_number=14
That one's a training methods demo by some Koreans. They're not
national team guys but they're in the ballpark. Everything is big and
clean and fast - one can only imagine how much faster if they were
showing their shiai waza. Check out the renzoku-waza demos near the end
for the sort of ass-whuppin' the guy in the first video might have
gotten had the sensei agreed to a match.
And while I'm posting cool links, here's another:
http://kumdo.ne.kr/main/read.cgi?board=33&y_number=5&nnew=2
This one is instructional, showing Hurugawa-sensei teaching tsuki, an
attack he's famous for. Note how he nails his poor assistant over and
over - I think he only misses once in several dozen demonstrated tsuki.
I can tell you from teaching tsuki that's a rare thing, it's more
usual to be all "OK, not like that one, do it like this next one here".
You can select from the menu below to see Hurugawa-sensei giving lessons
on various other waza.
Neil
Badger_South
wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:52:34 -0600, Neil Gendzwill
><ngend...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Badger_South wrote:
>>>
>>> Spend a summer as a lumberjack and when you come back to school you will
>>> smoke all the other kendoists.
>>
>>Here's what happens when the lumberjack style meets even beginner-level
>>kendo:
>>
>>http://fight-vids.net/video/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=70
>>
>
>OK, but at 44mb it better be good...
>
>(is there anyway to preview avi files while they download, as per
>mpeg, wmv etc? Win media Player10 keeps telling me the file is in use.
>If I pause the download, it refuses to acknowledge it as an avi file.
>I know you can preview avi's with kazza, but elsewhere...?)
Yes. Go to your Windows drive, Documents and Settings\"Username"\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files, and sort by date/time to find this file.
Then 'copy' the downloading file to the next directory up, or a scrap
directory.
Then go to that directory and using Media Player Classic (for best
results), and play or drag and drop. It will usually play OK though near
the end it may have problems. THis will not work for 'torrents' typically,
since they fill and backfill from the end and the middle and not
sequentially from the first bit.
PS - this guy is not actually what I meant by lumberjack training, unfit
and ponderous. He'd be killed by his own axe about 1 hour into the day's
job...<g>
-B
Badger_South
wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:00:42 GMT, kirks...@YOURCLOTHESoperamail.com
>wrote:
>
>>OK, but at 44mb it better be good...
>>
>>(is there anyway to preview avi files while they download, as per
>>mpeg, wmv etc? Win media Player10 keeps telling me the file is in use.
>>If I pause the download, it refuses to acknowledge it as an avi file.
>>I know you can preview avi's with kazza, but elsewhere...?)
>
>Nevermind.
>
>Use avi preview from Kazza to open partial file.
>
>Doh.
Now you tell me...<g>
Tron
"SunRunner" <Sunc...@hotmail.com> skrev i melding
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> I am considering taking up Kendo and also thought I would take up a
> martial art. Is there any particular style that works best with
> Kendo?
> I live in the Stroudsburg, PA area.
It depends on what you include in "works best", and whether or not this
includes PA.
Obviously, the nearest dojo (e.g.) with a qualified program will have
the lowest threshold for your
attendance, you will train more often, and for a longer time span, and
so become more proficient ... if you are a regular student, that is.
Apart from that:
Weapons were invented to ease the effort and labour of fighting with
hands and feet only, so there is hardly any "equivalent" empty handed
style (which I also take to be what you mean by "martial art"). If you
want to stick to weapons martial arts, archery, javelinor even discus
would extend your range beyond the shinai.
When it comes to the "works" part, I interpret you to mean "MA with the
most similar body mechanics", i.e. an art where you do not have to learn
separate sets of (at worst conflicting) new instincts. If so, the
traditional ken jutsu schools + derivates are most similar to kendo,
although classical ken jutsu is _much_ more similar to empty hand than
kendo is. Kendo is a highly stylized and very highly developed art in
its own right, and has left e.g. "armour wrestling" far behind.
Said derivates would be primarily any of the (according to Koryu Books)
7 - 8 existing traditional Japanese ju jutsu ryu, like Takenouchi ryu,
or Daito ryu. Third level would be Aikido, particularly one of the older
schools, or "European/American Ju Jutsu" systems, which are a ... um ...
more an adaptation to modern western needs.
Strikingly, this brings us full circle to grappling, or Brazilian Ju
Jutsu, AKA wrestling. In old European fencing manuals, all the knight
moves seem to be wrestling-like. Wringing my brain just now also brought
forth the hypothesis that although the weapon should be an extension of
the body, few percussionary arts seem to treat fist and feet as
telescoped halberds. Body mechanics in striking arts seem to me more
different from fencing than those in grappling; explain it he that can.
Of all the punching arts western boxing has vaguely some of the footwork
of kendo, only mirrored.... and perhaps Wing Tsun's "chain punch"(?) has
some of the pressing-it-home spirit of a kendo attack ....? For more
qualified comments on that, you should ask people who actually know BJJ
or WT.
As long as you stay away from the kicking arts. I guess it looks fancy
in "Blade", but I wince whenever I see someone stretching out their legs
towards some guy with a really huge meat cleaver.
HTH
T
Fraser Johnston
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Boxing, Judo or BJJ.
Fraser
Badger_South
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Hey you old warhorse - how's that bicep hematoma?
-B
(been meaning to ask you all last week but kept forgetting)
Fraser Johnston
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> Hey you old warhorse - how's that bicep hematoma?
>
> -B
> (been meaning to ask you all last week but kept forgetting)
All healed up. I took a week off for the first time in over a year. Nearly
went insane. But everything is ok with my arm. Still plagued with
tendonitis and it looks like I am going to need knee surgery at some point.
I'm tripling up on my glucosamine so I'll see how I go.
Fraser
Strider
I suggest that you reduce your schedule and give your body time to
heal every week. If you continue at that pace, you will compound
injuries on top of injuries and your fighting career will be over
before you want it to be.
I fight and train hard until I note that I a few dings. Maybe a bruise
here, broken digit there, dislocated fingers and such rot. It is then
I kick back, working the weights and stretching, until they heal, then
I get the intensity back up until the next down time.
You can spend your body all at once or pace yourself for the long run,
it's up to you.
Strider
Fraser Johnston
"Strider" <str...@usit.net> wrote in message
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> I suggest that you reduce your schedule and give your body time to
> heal every week. If you continue at that pace, you will compound
> injuries on top of injuries and your fighting career will be over
> before you want it to be.
I've carried injuries for the last 10 years. They tend to move about my
body. My shoulders which used to be totally fucked aren't too bad now.
>
> I fight and train hard until I note that I a few dings. Maybe a bruise
> here, broken digit there, dislocated fingers and such rot. It is then
> I kick back, working the weights and stretching, until they heal, then
> I get the intensity back up until the next down time.
I just suck it up and keep rolling. Then get home and cry to the wife who
gives me no sympathy.
>
> You can spend your body all at once or pace yourself for the long run,
> it's up to you.
I'm thinking a course of HGH might be just what the doctor ordered. I'm
looking into it at the moment. Through all the proper medical channels.
Fraser
kirks...@yourclothesoperamail.com
<fra...@jcis.com.au> wrote:
>I just suck it up and keep rolling.
Guys like you keep guys like me very, very, rich & happy.
Here's to you, you magnificant bastard!
*Champaign toast*
Fraser Johnston
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> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:53:01 +0800, "Fraser Johnston"
> <fra...@jcis.com.au> wrote:
>
>>I just suck it up and keep rolling.
>
> Guys like you keep guys like me very, very, rich & happy.
>
> Here's to you, you magnificant bastard!
>
> *Champaign toast*
>
It's about now I should be angling for some freebies.
Fraser
Badger_South
>On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:41:22 +0800, "Fraser Johnston"
><fra...@jcis.com.au> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Badger_South" <Bad...@South.net> wrote in message
>>news:17ing11b8fef991b1...@4ax.com...
>>> Hey you old warhorse - how's that bicep hematoma?
>>>
>>> -B
>>> (been meaning to ask you all last week but kept forgetting)
>>
>>All healed up. I took a week off for the first time in over a year. Nearly
>>went insane. But everything is ok with my arm. Still plagued with
>>tendonitis and it looks like I am going to need knee surgery at some point.
>>I'm tripling up on my glucosamine so I'll see how I go.
>>
>>Fraser
>>
>I suggest that you reduce your schedule and give your body time to
>heal every week. If you continue at that pace, you will compound
>injuries on top of injuries and your fighting career will be over
>before you want it to be.
>
>I fight and train hard until I note that I a few dings.
Let's hear your training from last week. How often did you fight last week?
Why not give details of the matches, and how you got dislocated fingers?
-B
bigphil...@gmail.com
He and another friend of mine(who is the voice on the tape) were the
ones that informed me that the Japanese student had only 4months of
training. The reason he was allowed to do kendo at all, was that he
has 3 years of experience. But, just at a really really bad school( i
also used to attend the same school ). I do not believe he was suposed
to challenge the teacher, but this guy is known for challening people
to "duels to the death" with his boken. I made him cry on a few
occations;)
-Phil
Strider
wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:31:32 -0400, Strider <str...@usit.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:41:22 +0800, "Fraser Johnston"
>><fra...@jcis.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Badger_South" <Bad...@South.net> wrote in message
>>>news:17ing11b8fef991b1...@4ax.com...
>>>> Hey you old warhorse - how's that bicep hematoma?
>>>>
>>>> -B
>>>> (been meaning to ask you all last week but kept forgetting)
>>>
>>>All healed up. I took a week off for the first time in over a year. Nearly
>>>went insane. But everything is ok with my arm. Still plagued with
>>>tendonitis and it looks like I am going to need knee surgery at some point.
>>>I'm tripling up on my glucosamine so I'll see how I go.
>>>
>>>Fraser
>>>
>>I suggest that you reduce your schedule and give your body time to
>>heal every week. If you continue at that pace, you will compound
>>injuries on top of injuries and your fighting career will be over
>>before you want it to be.
>>
>>I fight and train hard until I note that I a few dings.
>
>Let's hear your training from last week. How often did you fight last week?
I managed to get in about six hours total last week. This included
about an hour of sparring, an hour of weight training, and the
remainder rehearsing & learning kata for a tourney next month.
Why? Are you wanting to start yet another pissing match over who
works out the most.
I ain't interested.
>Why not give details of the matches, and how you got dislocated fingers?
The matches were just run of the mill matches in the Dojo. Hard
contact allowed. One fellow I sparred with is 3rd dan Issin Ryu and
the other was in Krav Maga a few years. Both are 15 years younger than
me and in better physical condition but I managed to remain uninjured.
What kind of detail are you interested in hearing about? We punched,
we kicked, we took care of each other and we all went to work the next
days.
I've dislocated fingers on several occasions, but not lately. I found
that when I was trying to mix grappling and punching techniques I'd
often hook my little finger on my sparring partner, once resulting in
it staying out at a really odd angle until a guy put it back for me.
I had a pair of gloves once that were ill fitting and caused my thumbs
to stick out when I punched. This cost me some real sore thumbs for a
short time until I figured out the problem.
Bruised and broken ribs have been my biggest pain. Until I learned
better, I often ran into side kicks. There is a whole bunch of scar
tissue on my ribs.
According to one particular surgeon, he repaired what he called "at
least four" breaks in my nose. I can remember three for sure. Not
certain where the fourth happened.
I was grappling with a fellow once and he slammed me to the floor and
dislocated my shoulder. Sounded like someone bit into a chicken bone.
Fortunately, Lou is a Chiropractor and put it right back in place for
me. Damn nice guy. ;-)
My last big ding was last Fall when aforementioned Issin Ryu guy
punched me just under the right collar bone and just right of the
sternum. That pulled the ribs slightly out from the sternum and hurt
like a mother!!! Hurt for a couple of months. I still kept working
out but sans sparring.
OK. Stuff happens. You pay your money and you take your chances. The
important thing is that you heal and come back.
Now your turn.
Strider
PT
> Here's another pretty cool video:
> http://kumdo.ne.kr/main/read.cgi?board=33&nnew=2&y_number=14
I don't get it, what is this, some kind of one point
sparring? Why does uke just stand there like a dummy?
And those banshee screams really are preposterous. My kiai
days are long behind, it makes me laugh.
> http://kumdo.ne.kr/main/read.cgi?board=33&y_number=5&nnew=2
>
> This one is instructional, showing Hurugawa-sensei
> teaching tsuki, an attack he's famous for.
Now that is really cool.
Supposedly, the karate tsuki, a/k/a oi-zuki, was lifted
from kendo, when karate migrated to Japan, perhaps by
Funakoshi. I can see it clearly in this seminar.
---
Paul T.
PT
> > I am considering taking up Kendo and also thought I
> > would take up a martial art. Is there any particular
> > style that works best with Kendo?
>
That is funny, and telling. To Joe Spud, 'martial art'
means *without* weapons.
I can just picture this generation of kids asking
the army recruiter, "Do we we have to fight those
terrorists using martial arts?"
---
Paul T.
Neil Gendzwill
> Neil Gendzwill wrote:
>
>>Here's another pretty cool video:
>>http://kumdo.ne.kr/main/read.cgi?board=33&nnew=2&y_number=14
>
> I don't get it, what is this, some kind of one point
> sparring? Why does uke just stand there like a dummy?
It's a demonstration, not a fight.
> And those banshee screams really are preposterous. My kiai
> days are long behind, it makes me laugh.
Whatever.