One Man Jihad at Fort Hood?
Herbert Cannon
cause such mayhem. I dont.What a terrible tragedy.
That was a terrorist suicide gunman. I have been expecting something like
this for a long time. Of course, the news has trotted out the usual
psychobabblers and apologists. Makes one wonder how many vultures can perch
on one limb.
Army bases tend to frown on soldiers having their own personal owned
firearms. I have often wondered why.
Similiar incident happened at Luby's near there and on Ft. Bragg years ago.
Not the same flavor though.
Mark Goldberg
> 12 dead and 31 wounded. My SF buddy thinks it took more than one man to
> cause such mayhem. I dont.What a terrible tragedy.
> That was a terrorist suicide gunman. I have been expecting something like
> this for a long time.
- FrontPage Magazine - http://frontpagemag.com -
Jihad at Fort Hood � by Robert Spencer
Posted By Robert Spencer On November 6, 2009
Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a U.S. Army psychiatrist, murdered twelve
people and wounded twenty-one inside Fort Hood in Texas yesterday,
while, according to eyewitnesses, �shouting something in Arabic while he
was shooting.� Investigators are scratching their heads and expressing
puzzlement about why he did it. According to NPR [1], �the motive behind
the shootings was not immediately clear, officials said.� The Washington
Post [2] agreed: �The motive remains unclear, although some sources
reported the suspect is opposed to U.S. involvement in Afghanistan and
Iraq and upset about an imminent deployment.� The Huffington Post spun
faster, asserting that �there is no concrete reporting as to whether
Nidal Malik Hasan was in fact a Muslim or an Arab.�
Yet there was, and what�s more, Major Hasan�s motive was perfectly clear
� but it was one that the forces of political correctness and the
Islamic advocacy groups in the United States have been working for years
to obscure. So it is that now that another major jihad terror attack has
taken place on American soil, authorities and the mainstream media are
at a loss to explain why it happened � and the abundant evidence that it
was a jihad attack is ignored.
Nidal Malik Hasan was born in Virginia but didn�t think of himself as an
American: on a form he filled out at the Muslim Community Center in
Silver Spring, Maryland, he gave his nationality not as �American� but
as �Palestinian.� A mosque official found that curious, saying: �I don�t
know why he listed Palestinian. He was not born in Palestine.�
He is a graduate of Virginia Tech and has a doctorate in psychiatry from
the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. (my note: he
received his entire education and training for free) While there, NPR
reports, Hasan was �put on probation early in his postgraduate work� and
was �disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients
and colleagues.�
He was a staff psychiatrist at Walter Reed Army Medical Center for six
years before transferring to Fort Hood earlier this year. While at
Walter Reed, he was a �very devout� member of and daily visitor to the
Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring. Faizul Khan, a former imam at
the Center, expressed puzzlement over Hasan�s murders: �To know
something like this happened, I don�t know what got into his mind. There
was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any
frustration�.He never showed any remorse or wish for vengeance on anybody.�
So he identified himself as Palestinian and was a devout Muslim � so
what? These things, of course, have no significance if one assumes that
Islam is a Religion of Peace and that when a devout Muslim reads the
Koran�s many injunctions to wage war against unbelievers, he knows that
they have no force or applicability for today�s world. Unfortunately,
all too many Muslims around the world demonstrate in both their words
and their deeds that they take such injunctions quite seriously. And
Nidal Hasan gave some indications that he may have been among them.
On May 20, 2009, a man giving his name as �NidalHasan� posted this
defense of suicide bombing [3] (all spelling and grammar as it is in the
original):
There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of
the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on
the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved
them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e.
saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed
suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero
that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled
this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is
to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber
can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that
would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die
because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in
Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the
enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their
act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars
main point is that �IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE�
and Allah (SWT) knows best.
Of course, it may not be the same Nidal Hasan. But there is more. One of
his former colleagues, Col. Terry Lee, recalled Hasan saying statements
to the effect of �Muslims have the right to rise up against the U.S.
military�; �Muslims have a right to stand up against the aggressors�;
and even speaking favorably about people who �strap bombs on themselves
and go into Times Square.�
Maybe he just snapped, perhaps under the pressure of his imminent
deployment to Iraq. But it�s noteworthy that if he did, he snapped in
exactly the same way that several other Muslims in the U.S. military
have snapped in the past. In April 2005, a Muslim serving in the U.S.
Army, Hasan Akbar, was convicted of murder for killing two American
soldiers and wounding fourteen in a grenade attack in Kuwait. AP
reported: �Prosecutors say Akbar told investigators he launched the
attack because he was concerned U.S. troops would kill fellow Muslims in
Iraq. They said he coolly carried out the attack to achieve �maximum
carnage� on his comrades in the 101st Airborne Division.�
And Hasan�s murderous rampage resembles one that five Muslim men in New
Jersey tried to carry out at Fort Dix in New Jersey in 2007, when they
plotted to enter the U.S. Army base and murder as many soldiers as they
could.
That was a jihad plot. One of the plotters, Serdar Tatar, told an FBI
informant late in 2006: �I�m gonna do it�.It doesn�t matter to me,
whether I get locked up, arrested, or get taken away, it doesn�t matter.
Or I die, doesn�t matter, I�m doing it in the name of Allah.� Another
plotter, Mohamad Shnewer, was caught on tape saying, �They are the ones,
we are going to put bullets in their heads, Allah willing.�
Nidal Hasan�s statements about Muslims rising up against the U.S.
military aren�t too far from that, albeit less graphic. The effect of
ignoring or downplaying the role that Islamic beliefs and assumptions
may have played in his murders only ensures that � once again � nothing
will be done to prevent the eventual advent of the next Nidal Hasan.
[4]
Article printed from FrontPage Magazine: http://frontpagemag.com
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MUSLIM GARBED JIHADI NIDAL HASAN SCREAMED "ALLAH AKBAR" AS HE MOWED DOWN
US SOLDIERS AT FORT BRAGG, DEATH TOLL RISES
Major Hasan the morning of his jihad attack on America. Here he is in
traditional Muslim garbVery cool calm, even seen smiling ....before he
went jihad.
13 dead including a policemen. Screaming allah akbar .........
Ata press conference this morning, it appears Nidal Malik Hasan was a
lone jihadii. Here's more from Monster and Critics:
Washington - A top US Army official confirmed Friday that the suspect in
the killing of at least 13 people at a Texas army base likely shouted
'Allah Akbar' (God is great) before opening fire.
Army Lieutenant General Robert Cone, commander of the Fort Hood, Texas,
base where the shootings took place on Thursday, made the comment in
answer to a question from NBC news.
Cone said 'there are first hand accounts' to the effect that the
suspect, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, had yelled the Muslim religious chant.
NBC reported that the death toll had risen to 13, as one of the victims
had died overnight.
The 39-year-old suspect in the killings is a US Army psychiatrist
described as a devout Muslim who opposed the wars in Iraq and
Afghanistan and had been trying to resign from the Army, according to
media reports Friday.
Another 30 people were injured in the shootings. All but two were
members of the military, officials said Thursday.
Cone said Thursday that investigators, who now include the FBI, had not
ruled out the possibility it was a terrorist attack, but said evidence
indicated it was not likely.
The talking heads are spinning this so hard and so fast I think their
head is going to fly off -- which would be appropriate. Not one
newcasters, ot one, can bring themselves to say ...jihad.
Posted by Pamela Geller on Friday, November 06, 2009
trav...@aol.com
> Herbert Cannon wrote:
> > 12 dead and 31 wounded. My SF buddy thinks it took more than one man to
> > cause such mayhem. I dont.What a terrible tragedy.
> > That was a terrorist suicide gunman. I have been expecting something like
> > this for a long time.
>
> - FrontPage Magazine -http://frontpagemag.com-
>
> Posted By Robert Spencer On November 6, 2009
>
> Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a U.S. Army psychiatrist, murdered twelve
> people and wounded twenty-one inside Fort Hood in Texas yesterday,
> was shooting.” Investigators are scratching their heads and expressing
> puzzlement about why he did it. According to NPR [1], “the motive behind
> the shootings was not immediately clear, officials said.” The Washington
> Post [2] agreed: “The motive remains unclear, although some sources
> reported the suspect is opposed to U.S. involvement in Afghanistan and
> faster, asserting that “there is no concrete reporting as to whether
> Nidal Malik Hasan was in fact a Muslim or an Arab.”
>
> Yet there was, and what’s more, Major Hasan’s motive was perfectly clear
> — but it was one that the forces of political correctness and the
> Islamic advocacy groups in the United States have been working for years
> to obscure. So it is that now that another major jihad terror attack has
> taken place on American soil, authorities and the mainstream media are
> was a jihad attack is ignored.
>
> American: on a form he filled out at the Muslim Community Center in
> as “Palestinian.” A mosque official found that curious, saying: “I don’t
> know why he listed Palestinian. He was not born in Palestine.”
>
> He is a graduate of Virginia Tech and has a doctorate in psychiatry from
> the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. (my note: he
> received his entire education and training for free) While there, NPR
> was “disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients
> and colleagues.”
>
> He was a staff psychiatrist at Walter Reed Army Medical Center for six
> years before transferring to Fort Hood earlier this year. While at
> Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring. Faizul Khan, a former imam at
> something like this happened, I don’t know what got into his mind. There
> was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any
>
> So he identified himself as Palestinian and was a devout Muslim – so
> what? These things, of course, have no significance if one assumes that
> Islam is a Religion of Peace and that when a devout Muslim reads the
> they have no force or applicability for today’s world. Unfortunately,
> all too many Muslims around the world demonstrate in both their words
> and their deeds that they take such injunctions quite seriously. And
> Nidal Hasan gave some indications that he may have been among them.
>
> defense of suicide bombing [3] (all spelling and grammar as it is in the
> original):
>
> There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of
> the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on
> the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved
> them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e.
> saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed
> suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero
> that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled
> this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is
> to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber
> can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that
> would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die
> because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in
> Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the
> enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their
> act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars
> and Allah (SWT) knows best.
>
> Of course, it may not be the same Nidal Hasan. But there is more. One of
> his former colleagues, Col. Terry Lee, recalled Hasan saying statements
> military”; “Muslims have a right to stand up against the aggressors”;
> and even speaking favorably about people who “strap bombs on themselves
> and go into Times Square.”
>
> Maybe he just snapped, perhaps under the pressure of his imminent
> exactly the same way that several other Muslims in the U.S. military
> have snapped in the past. In April 2005, a Muslim serving in the U.S.
> Army, Hasan Akbar, was convicted of murder for killing two American
> soldiers and wounding fourteen in a grenade attack in Kuwait. AP
> attack because he was concerned U.S. troops would kill fellow Muslims in
> carnage’ on his comrades in the 101st Airborne Division.”
>
> And Hasan’s murderous rampage resembles one that five Muslim men in New
> Jersey tried to carry out at Fort Dix in New Jersey in 2007, when they
> plotted to enter the U.S. Army base and murder as many soldiers as they
> could.
>
> That was a jihad plot. One of the plotters, Serdar Tatar, told an FBI
> whether I get locked up, arrested, or get taken away, it doesn’t matter.
> Or I die, doesn’t matter, I’m doing it in the name of Allah.” Another
> plotter, Mohamad Shnewer, was caught on tape saying, “They are the ones,
> we are going to put bullets in their heads, Allah willing.”
>
> Nidal Hasan’s statements about Muslims rising up against the U.S.
> military aren’t too far from that, albeit less graphic. The effect of
> ignoring or downplaying the role that Islamic beliefs and assumptions
Thank goodness the SPLC and NAACP have attacked anyone who said
anything about anyone who had any skin color or wasn't Christian for
the last 30 years. God bless marxist multiculturalism...but not the
christian god, a native american god or some pagan entity.
Trav
hal
<msgol...@optonline.net> wrote:
>Herbert Cannon wrote:
>> 12 dead and 31 wounded. My SF buddy thinks it took more than one man to
>> cause such mayhem. I dont.What a terrible tragedy.
>> That was a terrorist suicide gunman. I have been expecting something like
>> this for a long time.
>
>- FrontPage Magazine - http://frontpagemag.com -
>
>Jihad at Fort Hood � by Robert Spencer
You're a racist pig, Goldberg. This has nothing to do with a man
being Muslim. This is about a man pushed beyond his limits because
he's in a military that's pushed beyond their limits.
Herbert Cannon
<hal> wrote in message news:4af43cb8...@news.newsguy.com...
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:56:19 -0500, Mark Goldberg
> <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>> 12 dead and 31 wounded. My SF buddy thinks it took more than one man to
>>> cause such mayhem. I dont.What a terrible tragedy.
>>> That was a terrorist suicide gunman. I have been expecting something
>>> like
>>> this for a long time.
>>
>>- FrontPage Magazine - http://frontpagemag.com -
>>
>
> You're a racist pig, Goldberg. This has nothing to do with a man
> being Muslim.
Another psychobabbling apologist. Not unexpected from a moron like you.
Everytime you post you prove yourself a village idiot.
This is about a man pushed beyond his limits because
> he's in a military that's pushed beyond their limits.
Oh really, they pushed him beyond his limits? Explain that. Gee Medical
school must have been really tough for him. Gave him PTSD did it?
You moron he went to school to become a psychiatrist courtesy of Uncle Sam
not to become a foot slugging, frontline infantry grunt. Beyond his limits
my ass. I suppose cleaning the latrine is beyond your limits.
Mark Goldberg
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:56:19 -0500, Mark Goldberg
> <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>> 12 dead and 31 wounded. My SF buddy thinks it took more than one man to
>>> cause such mayhem. I dont.What a terrible tragedy.
>>> That was a terrorist suicide gunman. I have been expecting something like
>>> this for a long time.
>>
>> - FrontPage Magazine - http://frontpagemag.com -
>>
>
> You're a racist pig, Goldberg. This has nothing to do with a man
> being Muslim. This is about a man pushed beyond his limits because
> he's in a military that's pushed beyond their limits.
And let all who read this newsgroup take a good look at you... the jew
hating, capialism hating, christian hating marxist. The aider and
abetter of Islamic homicidism and sit back and think clearly what you're
vulgar hatreds demonstrate here as in a thousand other posts and threads.
Islam deformed this man. He didn't deform Islam. All muslims are not
murderers.
The military didn't push him beyond his limits.
Islam did.
And he calmly walked around shopping, handing out korans, and then went
and with malice aforethought slaughtered anyone he could standing on a
table to get a good shot into those cubicles having shouted 'allahu
akbar' .... allah is greater.
As with so many others who've all self declared the same thing. Not
people abused, nor oppressed nor poverty stricken.
Hell.. he could have refused service, he could have said 'I won't go'
but no... he had to slaughter infidels, because those are the beliefs
that distorted him.
Mark
hal
<msgol...@optonline.net> wrote:
>hal wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:56:19 -0500, Mark Goldberg
>> <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>> 12 dead and 31 wounded. My SF buddy thinks it took more than one man to
>>>> cause such mayhem. I dont.What a terrible tragedy.
>>>> That was a terrorist suicide gunman. I have been expecting something like
>>>> this for a long time.
>>>
>>> - FrontPage Magazine - http://frontpagemag.com -
>>>
>>> Jihad at Fort Hood � by Robert Spencer
>>
>> You're a racist pig, Goldberg. This has nothing to do with a man
>> being Muslim. This is about a man pushed beyond his limits because
>> he's in a military that's pushed beyond their limits.
>
>And let all who read this newsgroup take a good look at you... the jew
>hating, capialism hating, christian hating marxist. The aider and
>abetter of Islamic homicidism and sit back and think clearly what you're
>vulgar hatreds demonstrate here as in a thousand other posts and threads.
>
>Islam deformed this man. He didn't deform Islam. All muslims are not
>murderers.
Islam didn't deform this man. The US Army did.
>
>The military didn't push him beyond his limits.
>Islam did.
>And he calmly walked around shopping, handing out korans, and then went
>and with malice aforethought slaughtered anyone he could standing on a
>table to get a good shot into those cubicles having shouted 'allahu
>akbar' .... allah is greater.
>
>As with so many others who've all self declared the same thing. Not
>people abused, nor oppressed nor poverty stricken.
>
>Hell.. he could have refused service, he could have said 'I won't go'
>but no... he had to slaughter infidels, because those are the beliefs
>that distorted him.
so he didn't have laser guided bombs given to him by the
Goyim, like the Jews do.
>
>Mark
>
>
hal
<hcan...@cox.net> wrote:
>
><hal> wrote in message news:4af43cb8...@news.newsguy.com...
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:56:19 -0500, Mark Goldberg
>> <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>> 12 dead and 31 wounded. My SF buddy thinks it took more than one man to
>>>> cause such mayhem. I dont.What a terrible tragedy.
>>>> That was a terrorist suicide gunman. I have been expecting something
>>>> like
>>>> this for a long time.
>>>
>>>- FrontPage Magazine - http://frontpagemag.com -
>>>
>>>Jihad at Fort Hood - by Robert Spencer
>>
>> You're a racist pig, Goldberg. This has nothing to do with a man
>> being Muslim.
>
>Another psychobabbling apologist. Not unexpected from a moron like you.
>Everytime you post you prove yourself a village idiot.
simple fact is you have no idea what happened to this man, but you
automatically hate him and blame his religion simply because he is a
Muslim.
typical Christian bigot.
same reason we invaded Iraq and murdered a million Muslims in cold
blood.
I can't imagine a decent Muslim man NOT being pissed off by that one.
and when it gets down to them and you, I truly hope THEY win.
Herbert Cannon
<hal> wrote in message news:4af45560...@news.newsguy.com...
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:15:49 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"
> <hcan...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>
>><hal> wrote in message news:4af43cb8...@news.newsguy.com...
>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:56:19 -0500, Mark Goldberg
>>> <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>>> 12 dead and 31 wounded. My SF buddy thinks it took more than one man
>>>>> to
>>>>> cause such mayhem. I dont.What a terrible tragedy.
>>>>> That was a terrorist suicide gunman. I have been expecting something
>>>>> like
>>>>> this for a long time.
>>>>
>>>>- FrontPage Magazine - http://frontpagemag.com -
>>>>
>>>>Jihad at Fort Hood - by Robert Spencer
>>>
>>> You're a racist pig, Goldberg. This has nothing to do with a man
>>> being Muslim.
>>
>>Another psychobabbling apologist. Not unexpected from a moron like you.
>>Everytime you post you prove yourself a village idiot.
>
> simple fact is you have no idea what happened to this man,
That is easy. He is nutter like you.
but you
> automatically hate him
I tend to have a pronounced dislike for nutters like you who run around
murdering un armed helpless people to prove they are important.
and blame his religion simply because he is a
> Muslim.
Well sorry about; but it does seem to have a dark side when you look at all
the suicide bombings that occurr so frequently in the middle east and you
seem to be in denial about.
>
> typical Christian bigot.
Yeah one of those Christian nutters that just cannot wait to strap on an
explosive vest. If there is a bigot here - it is you, fool. You are trying
to turn it around and say it is the Christianity's fault. What a pile of do
do.
>
> same reason we invaded Iraq and murdered a million Muslims in cold
> blood.
This has been disproven so many times here that all you can do it is repeat,
and repeat, and repeat, your lie about the million in the hopes that someone
other than you is stupid enough to believe your lie.
Oh my, wait, Obama is thinking about sending more troops to Afghanistan. He
must want to murder a million Moslems there.
>
> I can't imagine a decent Muslim man NOT being pissed off by that one.
Really you moron. Maybe a decent Moslem ought to be more pissed off about
Saddam's brutal rule and genocide too?
Or is that what caused 9-11? Or do you have some fictitious rationalization
your guilty conscience is concocting for that also - so you can grovel,
self flagellate, and apologize for that also?
>
> and when it gets down to them and you, I truly hope THEY win.
When it gets down to that, they will be holding you down and slowly sawing
your head off while you scream, because you are an atheist, and that is
apostasy in their religion; and not tolerated at all. You will no longer be
just a lowlife Quisling. You will finally be someone important enough to
kill rather than swat.
Herbert Cannon
<hal> wrote in message news:4af45367...@news.newsguy.com...
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:30:20 -0500, Mark Goldberg
> <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>hal wrote:
>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:56:19 -0500, Mark Goldberg
>>> <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>>> 12 dead and 31 wounded. My SF buddy thinks it took more than one man
>>>>> to
>>>>> cause such mayhem. I dont.What a terrible tragedy.
>>>>> That was a terrorist suicide gunman. I have been expecting something
>>>>> like
>>>>> this for a long time.
>>>>
>>>> - FrontPage Magazine - http://frontpagemag.com -
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're a racist pig, Goldberg. This has nothing to do with a man
>>> being Muslim. This is about a man pushed beyond his limits because
>>> he's in a military that's pushed beyond their limits.
>>
>>And let all who read this newsgroup take a good look at you... the jew
>>hating, capialism hating, christian hating marxist. The aider and
>>abetter of Islamic homicidism and sit back and think clearly what you're
>>vulgar hatreds demonstrate here as in a thousand other posts and threads.
>>
>>Islam deformed this man. He didn't deform Islam. All muslims are not
>>murderers.
>
> Islam didn't deform this man. The US Army did.
How do you deform someone by sending them to medical school, giving them a
salary so they can live well, paying their all their tuition, and making
them a Major in the US Army? I would loved to have been deformed that way by
the military. You are a fucking moron.
>
> so he didn't have laser guided bombs given to him by the
> Goyim, like the Jews do.
No just those rockets to fire day and night in the hopes of killing some
civilians. You really are a lying pathetic piece of shit.
SPORTfighter
while it was going on(or minutes after it ended) the governemnt was
announcing it wasnt terrorist related.
a rightwing radio host up here sez "gee, why would they say that? it
MUST be a muslim" and me a rightwing nut thought he must be paranoid.
CBS this morning had a big thing about how being deplyed so long as
they are in iraq causes strees and the nmiliraty needs more head
shrinkers tpo prevent this in the future.
maybe 1% of the militarty is muslim, this guy was a known radical.
why the fuck was he allowedd in the servivce?
he was known to have said maybe more us soldiers should be killed.
even i ..again..a rightwing nut ..couldnt imagine you wouldnt be
courtmartialed saying that kinda shit.
thisa guy WAS NEVER DEPLOYED.
HOW COULD HE HAVE COMBAT FATIQUE?\
THIS GUY WAS!!!!!!!!!!! A FUCKING PYYCHIATRIST
the media is basicqally blaming bush, they are focusing on what the
terrorist wanted, focusing on the war and seciond hand blaming it for
killing thes epeople.
the focus should be muslims.
whay they kill people so much.
why they dont become americanized
how they can be allowed in the servove
THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS ON THE SIDE OF THIS CRAZY ENEMOY WHO
INFILTRATED POUR MILITARY AND STRUCK US FROM THE INSIDE.
Ther can be no other consclusion.
and how can we beat crazies when we hide ouyr heads in the sand and
pretend the forces againts us arent what they are?
its amazing, someday in 30 years u could right a book kind of a
ctyach22 abaout old white ladies getting called for random checks
getting on jets as arabs walk rioht on becaiuse people would rather
die and let the cpountry fall than be politically imcorrect
trav...@aol.com
Well if we don't do these insane things, well...IT LEADS TO THE
HOLOCAUST
Trav
Herbert Cannon
why they dont become americanized
Moslem do not think the same way others do. Moslems think of themselves as
Moslems first Americans, etc. second. They belong to the Umma - the world
wide community of Moslems. The rest of us think of ourselves as Americans
etc first - whatever else we are second. You find this in Bernard Lewis's
writings and books on the middle east. He is one of the foremost authorities
on the Middle East and Islam. He speaks Arabic, Farsi, and Turkish. I have
read his stuff and listened to his lectures. Most informative. Even Annapour
on CNN admitted this is the way they think.
The strange thing is that they are not supposed to kill other Moslems and
seem to have twisted the religion because they are constantly blowing each
other up. Witness all the car bombs in Iraq.
Herbert Cannon
Well if we don't do these insane things, well...IT LEADS TO THE
HOLOCAUST
If we continue to do this PC shit we will be victims of the holocaust. The
news media is a bunch of fucking lemmings. The Fox reporter wanted to know
today how someone on a military base could have some guns. What inane
bullshit. Too bad everyone did not have one.
Mark Goldberg
> HOW COULD HE HAVE COMBAT FATIQUE?\
> THIS GUY WAS!!!!!!!!!!! A FUCKING PYYCHIATRIST
>
> the media is basicqally blaming bush, they are focusing on what the
> terrorist wanted, focusing on the war and seciond hand blaming it for
> killing thes epeople.
"...The gunman who killed 12 people today at Ft. Hood appears, based on
current media reports, to be Army psychiatrist Nidal Hasan who was
****listed as a participant in a Homeland Security Policy Institute's
presidential transition task force last year.*****
The task force was not officially affiliated with the White House. It
was a project of the Homeland Security Policy Institute, an independent
thinktank housed at George Washington University, aimed at drafting
policy recommendations for the incoming Obama administration.
According to the task force's May 2009 report [pdf], a "Nidal Hasan"
from the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine was a task
force event participant. Other participants included Senate and House
staffers, Department of Homeland Security officials, Defense Department
officials, and reporters for Politico, the Washington Post, and the
London Times....
Shuurai
> >Jihad at Fort Hood – by Robert Spencer
>
> You're a racist pig, Goldberg. This has nothing to do with a man
> being Muslim. This is about a man pushed beyond his limits because
> he's in a military that's pushed beyond their limits.
Except that, in the days leading up to the incident, he was posting on
Islamic chat sites about how he was going to kill for Islam; and
according to eyewitnesses, at the beginning of the incident he shouted
the name Allah...
Mark Goldberg
> thisa guy WAS NEVER DEPLOYED.
> HOW COULD HE HAVE COMBAT FATIQUE?\
> THIS GUY WAS!!!!!!!!!!! A FUCKING PYYCHIATRIST
>
> the media is basicqally blaming bush, they are focusing on what the
> terrorist wanted, focusing on the war and seciond hand blaming it for
> killing thes epeople.
>
> the focus should be muslims.
> whay they kill people so much.
> why they dont become americanized
> how they can be allowed in the servove
This...at the same time that DHS was writing reports that right wing
extremists like Grandma, Veterans, tea parties, patriots were the real
threat. And Hasan had a jihad history, and they knew about it. They knew
it. But they're too politically correct and blind. And it is at all
levels of the military and civilian government, now.
Mark
Mark Goldberg
>
>>> Jihad at Fort Hood � by Robert Spencer
He was calmly giving away his furniture and giving out korans to people
the morning of his homicidal slaughter of anyone, who were of course....
kafirs
Infidels. about 62% of the Koran deals with this, if I remember
correctly. Not about how to live and be a fine religious good person but
what to do to and about non believers in allah and mo.
"....China Confidential is reporting: Jerusalem Arabs Praise Fort Hood
Shooter
China Confidential sources
(http://chinaconfidential.blogspot.com/2009/11/jerusalem-arabs-praise-fort-hood.html)
in East Jerusalem say many residents of the predominantly Arab section
are expressing strong support for the Muslim U.S. Army major who mowed
down his fellow soldiers at the huge Fort Hood, Texas base and
processing center for troops bound for Afghanistan and Iraq.
The word on the so-called Arab street is that Major Nidal Malik Hasan
should be admired because he stood up for fellow Muslims overseas,
against U.S. "aggression," and that his anger, disappointment, and
presumed sense of betrayal over U.S. President Barack Obama's failure to
end the Afghan and Iraq conflicts is understandable, especially in light
of Obama's own Muslim heritage....
and the muslim homicidal slaughter was taken down by a women.
That's the real story also.... it should be wall to wall on the news.
Her name, Kim Munley.
Police Sgt Kim Munley, who was directing traffic moments before she
pumped four bullets into the homicidist despite being shot herself
Mark Goldberg
> CBS this morning had a big thing about how being deplyed so long as
> they are in iraq causes strees and the nmiliraty needs more head
> shrinkers tpo prevent this in the future.
They might if they had a conscience discuss the fact that Jihad Hassan
was shooting soldiers in the back.
Such Islamic bravery
And not some flip-out at all. Not at all. He could have gone to prison
making a statement that he couldn't in good heart shot at a muslim
because it hurt too much. But he didn't.
In fact it didn't hurt at all to shoot non-muslims in the back.
It was the Jihad...
Mark
Herbert Cannon
>
> simple fact is you have no idea what happened to this man, but you
> automatically hate him
Why certainly not Hal I just love serial killers, mass murderers and
genocidal dictators like you do, moron.
trav...@aol.com
Tell that to the generations of marxist jews who funded this whole
fiasco zeitgeist.
Find me a portrayal of blacks or muslims or anyone colored in media
that even REMOTELY matches IRL. They got rid of the whole muslim
terrorist archetype and now it's always the Russian Mafia or Armenians
or some stan where the bad guys can be ALL WHITE just like all over
the rest of TV.
There is an assocation, a national one, which exists to serve the
advancement of the interests of people who are colored. The real
question you should ask is who advances THEM. It's the clan brothers
of those who run the media filth factories that produce the message.
Is there a conspiracy? Of COURSE NOT. They all mostly think alike.
Is Spielberg part of a commie conspiracy? NO. He just adores Castro
as much as the real commies do.
It's not hard to figure out where this all leads...look at the caste
system in India, color graded...or in latin america. The teeming
mulatto masses become the feudal underclass while those with some
ethnic cohesion group together nepotistically to form dynastic upper
castes. JFC, this is exactly how feudalism formed in the FIRST
PLACE. Families and clans and "houses" built around bloodlines and
relations.
> news media is a bunch of fucking lemmings. The Fox reporter wanted to know
> today how someone on a military base could have some guns. What inane
> bullshit. Too bad everyone did not have one.
Enough had them that the problem was contained. An enemy got behind
the lines and killed soldiers. All part of war.
Trav
trav...@aol.com
> extremists like Grandma, Veterans, tea parties, patriots were the real
> threat. And Hasan had a jihad history, and they knew about it. They knew
> it. But they're too politically correct and blind. And it is at all
> levels of the military and civilian government, now.
>
> Mark
Good thing we have jews like you to set us straight.
Why are your brothers feeding this shit by involving groups like the
SPLC to rain racecard terror down on whites and to demagogue every
SANE profiling initiative?
Trav
Mark Goldberg
>> This...at the same time that DHS was writing reports that right wing
>> extremists like Grandma, Veterans, tea parties, patriots were the real
>> threat. And Hasan had a jihad history, and they knew about it. They knew
>> it. But they're too politically correct and blind. And it is at all
>> levels of the military and civilian government, now.
>>
>> Mark
>
> Good thing we have jews like you to set us straight.
Yes, it is.... But of course you could never be straight. That's your
first error.
>
> Why are your brothers feeding this shit by involving groups like the
> SPLC to rain racecard terror down on whites and to demagogue every
> SANE profiling initiative?
First, they ***ain't*** my 'brothers'.
We've been thru that and you're as dense as wannabe and hal, because
you're a dipshit hatefreak of similar cloth to them.
Here we are, with a chance to drill down and get to the clear
understandings about the issues of the doctrine of 'Jihad' and the
normal people who are deformed by the doctrine to becoming homicidal
killers and the leftists who admire and support them, and the causality
and how to constructively understand and deal with the chain of problems.
But no... you just have to open the cesspool of your distraction.
Why don't you go be a hero and beat up an old hassid like you want and
get it out already, asshole.
You're worthless when it comes to reason and history. You only like to
soapbox here, like the other deranged narcissists.
A waste.
I have no interest in repeating over and over the issues and history and
then have you ignore all the efforts to actually lay it out.
trav...@aol.com
> > SPLC to rain racecard terror down on whites and to demagogue every
> > SANE profiling initiative?
>
> First, they ***ain't*** my 'brothers'.
> We've been thru that and you're as dense as wannabe and hal, because
> you're a dipshit hatefreak of similar cloth to them.
Markie, so antisemitic!!! Don't talk about your clan brothers like
that.
> Here we are, with a chance to drill down and get to the clear
> understandings about the issues of the doctrine of 'Jihad' and the
> normal people who are deformed by the doctrine to becoming homicidal
> killers and the leftists who admire and support them, and the causality
> and how to constructively understand and deal with the chain of problems.
> But no... you just have to open the cesspool of your distraction.
No, Marky. We don't need to rehash the fuckin jihad shit again. We
need to understand how we seem so clueless about it.
Because until we wake up from this jewish-built fog that has descended
upon the western world, we cannot see clearly who our friends and
enemies are. Decades of media message conditioning, marxist
"revisionism," and related efforts to reformulate popular perceptions
have led people to believe that WE, the WASPs, are to blame. And so
you are pissing up a rope on this.
Haven't you figured out yet why NOBODY gets it, Marky, why NOBODY will
listen to you? What you are saying is in DIRECT contravention to
EVERYTHING that movie and tv studios have put out for decades, to the
public advocacy through economic extortion that has been conducted by
the NAACP and SPLC and related groups, and struggling against the
mountainous weight of the money behind both!
> Why don't you go be a hero and beat up an old hassid like you want and
> get it out already, asshole.
I don't have any issues whatsoever with religious jews; i've been
perfectly clear about this. I DO have a problem with zionists as well
as with marxist versions of the same. Those are the ones who built
this apparatus of confusion. There is no way in hell anyone white
would have said, hey, lemme produce movie after tv show after song
that says I'm a worthless bum who deserves to be murdered and I want
my daughter to have several illegitimate children by violent people
with IQs of 85?
White people were FIGHTING this "desegregation" against the weight of
JEWISH MONEY and JEWISH GROUPS and a JEWISH public relations machine.
These guys held up ANYTHING that was nonwhite as pure and good, while
denigrating everything whites have ever done. So, now, along come the
arabs and the muslims carrying THEIR degeneracies, which are as
offensive and repugnant to civilization as that of blacks with their
undending violence and criminality, and sure enough, the machine
marches into movement to beat down ANY sane reflection on whether
jeezus christ we ought to maybe think about whether there's a threat
here? Society has been CONDITIONED to insist that there is no threat
because nonwhite people are GOOD. They have been "advanced." White
people actually feel *guilty* about recoiling in the face of their
incivility. Mission accomplished.
Why don't you carry your campaign against the rightful perpetrators of
the decline of western civilization and the USA? You're certainly not
the only jew to be calling attention to this, so you need to focus
your energies on the people who are responsbile for it instead of
continuing to labor in this cognitive dissonance and willful
ignorance.
> You're worthless when it comes to reason and history. You only like to
> soapbox here, like the other deranged narcissists.
>
> A waste.
> I have no interest in repeating over and over the issues and history and
> then have you ignore all the efforts to actually lay it out.
No...you'd rather keep pissing up a rope and hoping whitey wakes up
before the ahabs kill you too and destroy everything good in the
world. You won't like it when whitey wakes up, mark. I'm not the
only one who can figure this shit out.
Trav
Sam the Bam
> own personal owned firearms. I have often wondered why.
movie trivia quiz:
"You can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
Sam
Sam the Bam
> This is about a man pushed beyond his limits because
> he's in a military that's pushed beyond their limits.
*** NEWS FLASH ***
Boys join the army because they WANT
to be pushed beyond their limits, numb
nuts. It's the second most important reason
they enlist (#1 is they get to shoot rifles
and blow shit up).
Sam
Mark Goldberg
>>> Why are your brothers feeding this shit by involving groups like the
>>> SPLC to rain racecard terror down on whites and to demagogue every
>>> SANE profiling initiative?
>>
>> First, they ***ain't*** my 'brothers'.
>> We've been thru that and you're as dense as wannabe and hal, because
>> you're a dipshit hatefreak of similar cloth to them.
>
> Markie, so antisemitic!!! Don't talk about your clan brothers like
> that.
>
>
Now you live here....
> I don't have any issues whatsoever with religious jews; i've been
> perfectly clear about this. I DO have a problem with zionists as well
> as with marxist versions of the same. Those are the ones who built
> this apparatus of confusion. There is no way in hell anyone white
> would have said...
You're a dipshit come in your mouth.
That's why you soapbox like the other narcissists. No white....?!?
You ain't white.
You're just a muddy little soapboxer.
And don't you ever forget thaty dipshit.
This issue- the thread- and the points necessary for this nation and
it's citizenry to confront, are exactly what you avoid, because you are
a twerp. Like hal, like the other nitwits.
"No way in hell anyone white....."
Indeed, you two bit twerp. You faggot little mealy mouthed twerp.
Don't waste my time.
Go waste it playing at being.... "white".
Go ahead... obfuscate and play with your doodies in the sandbox....
You don't give a fuck about this nation anymore than idiot insane hal.
You're just a bit more clever and weasely.
Asshole.
Mark
Sam the Bam
>
> >> You're a racist pig, Goldberg. This has nothing to do with a man
> >> being Muslim.
>
> automatically hate him and blame his religion simply because he is a
> Muslim. typical Christian bigot.
Classic!
> same reason we invaded Iraq and murdered a million Muslims
> n cold blood.
> I can't imagine a decent Muslim man NOT being pissed off by that one.
double wow
In other words, "decent Muslims" are psychotic
homicidal maniacs? Which we must respect and
understand, because they are victimized persons
of color... can't hold them to the same standards as
white folks, that would be racist...
Lieberals are such robots, the only time they ever
tell the truth is when it slips out, inadvertently...
sing to the tune "There's no business like show business":
There's no racism like liberalism,
No racism at all...
Sam
Wannabe
4af48a84$0$22525$607e...@cv.net...
Trav nailed you right on target. All these shit were started when the
Zionists cheated the U.N. Partition Plan, stole the land and
resurrected the long-defunct "Israel" amongst the Arabs. The Arabs
were our friends and selling us cheap oil before the Zionists pissed
them off.
Sam the Bam
> > > Why are your brothers feeding this shit by involving groups like the
> > > SPLC to rain racecard terror down on whites and to demagogue every
> > > SANE profiling initiative?
>
> > First, they ***ain't*** my 'brothers'.
>
> that.
>
> > Here we are, with a chance to drill down and get to the clear
> > understandings about the issues of the doctrine of 'Jihad' and the
> > normal people who are deformed by the doctrine to becoming
> > homicidal killers and the leftists who admire and support them,
> > and the causality and how to constructively understand and deal
> > with the chain of problems.
>
> need to understand how we seem so clueless about it.
>
> Because until we wake up from this jewish-built fog that has descended
> upon the western world, we cannot see clearly who our friends and
> enemies are. Decades of media message conditioning, marxist
> "revisionism," and related efforts to reformulate popular perceptions
> have led people to believe that WE, the WASPs, are to blame. And
> so you are pissing up a rope on this.
>
> Haven't you figured out yet why NOBODY gets it, Marky, why NOBODY
> will listen to you? What you are saying is in DIRECT contravention
> to EVERYTHING that movie and tv studios have put out for decades,
> to the public advocacy through economic extortion that has been
> conducted by the NAACP and SPLC and related groups, and
> struggling against the mountainous weight of the money behind both!
>
> before the ahabs kill you too and destroy everything good in the
> world. You won't like it when whitey wakes up, mark.
There's something I'm unclear about in your theory,
Trav... is this Joooish media conspiracy a deliberate
plot,. where the jooos have secret meetings and
committees and organizing? Or is it somehow an
'unconscious' plot, so to speak, where the jooos do
it naturally? Or is it just a bunch of anti-whites doing
their thing, and many of them happen to be joos, for
no explained reason?
Sam
trav...@aol.com
No she didn't. I made her an offer. I have a new gf every month, wtf
do I want a wife for?
> Now you live here....
Naw, I'm just bored and virtually hang out here.
> You're a dipshit come in your mouth.
>
> That's why you soapbox like the other narcissists. No white....?!?
>
> You ain't white.
> You're just a muddy little soapboxer.
>
> And don't you ever forget thaty dipshit.
>
> This issue- the thread- and the points necessary for this nation and
> it's citizenry to confront, are exactly what you avoid, because you are
> a twerp. Like hal, like the other nitwits.
Keep denying the truth, Marky, and it'll only get worse.
Think about it...if there were no blacks in the USA, the crime rate
would drop by 50%. If there were no jews, the amount of anti-white
filth being pumped out of Hollywood would vanish, the pro-
multicultural marxist shit would be gone, and all the ponzi schemes
would be history, along with most of the clowns responsible for the
economic collapse. We were doing just fine before 1941. Think I'm
the only one who can connect dots?
MOVE TO ISRAEL. Put your ass where your mouth is and fight your own
fucking wars.
> You don't give a fuck about this nation anymore than idiot insane hal.
> You're just a bit more clever and weasely.
>
> Asshole.
>
> Mark
I notice you can make no refutation of anything I say.
Your clan created the marxist multicultural machine. Don't blame me
when your kaffir throat gets slit by the dogs you protect.
Marlboro man would have just shot them and been done with it. The
white man made this continent that your kind wants us to retreat
from. Bunch of neurotic half-men, no wonder your women treat you like
shit.
Trav
trav...@aol.com
> Trav... is this Joooish media conspiracy a deliberate
> plot,. where the jooos have secret meetings and
> committees and organizing? Or is it somehow an
> 'unconscious' plot, so to speak, where the jooos do
> it naturally? Or is it just a bunch of anti-whites doing
> their thing, and many of them happen to be joos, for
> no explained reason?
>
> Sam
JFC...this is maddening.
Look, Sam, I have gone FAR FAR out of my way to EXPLICITLY say that
there IS NO CONSPIRACY.
How much MORE PLAIN can I be than that? Why is it when I say this
that everyone like you ASSUMES I intend to say there is a conspiracy?
There is NONE. No plot, no premeditation, no conspiracy. It's merely
an emergent phenomenon, like how fish school. It's concert of action
by LIKE MINDED actors.
I dont know why joos are so enamored of blacks...I mean, shit, this
black girl I know talked about how Julian Epstein (one of Clitton's
gang) was hitting on her and she says "like every jewish guy wants a
black girl." I don't get it. Some ballers in NYC were hitting on her
and I was like "they jewish?" she says shit like "of course." This is
not a racially unaware girl nor a typical black. My favorite from her
was "why do you tolerate african americans, they are useless."
Apparently, jewish men chase after her like nuts...so much so that the
stereotype is well, accurate.
That joos were behind the NAACP and SPLC and fought FOR integration by
force if necessary is inarguable. Don't ask me why, I have no clue.
I can't solve their neuroses or their mindset but I can recognize it
when for example a director like spielberg talks about how much he
admires Castro that you should expect that bent to come out of his
work. And it does and has. And he's by no means alone.
The early marxists, Lev Bronstein, the politburo, were almost all
jews. There's no argument to be had about it. Likewise, the
antisegregationists were funded by jews, jews ran the NAACP for 40
years, still run the SPLC, all of these are nominally "civil rights"
organizations but every time an arab gets held up in an airport, THEY
ARE THERE and they advocate multicultural shit and stampede in every
time a white guy or anyone anti-liberalist sneezes in the general
direction of someone with more skin pigment.
There's also no argument to be had about joos in media, especially the
movie studios. That they produce propaganda is unquestionable; in
fact movies like "In the Heat of the Night" were INTENDED to be! The
early communists, here and in the USSR were jews, they've been behind
it from the start.
Dunno why...nobody jewish has an answer for the fascination with
social engineering in favor of blacks and browns. I get the hatred of
whites, this is ancient shit and there've been many, many conflicts
over the centuries, usually in the whites' favor because we outnumber
them. Periodically, white societies tend to expel them en masse.
The media's narrative of this of course is the awful white man with
the innocent noble peaceful joo. But, spare me that bullshit, because
it's the same thing with the Sioux who slaughtered all the Crow, and
blacks, and hispanics, and EVERYbody. Same narrative with the
muslims. It's all WHITEY's fault, everyfuckinthing is. Marxists
obviously hate western society; even Marky would agree to this. And
there are a lotta fuckin marxists in hollywood. Every adversary of
the white man has been transmogriphied by the media propaganda into a
noble, peaceloving, innocent *victim* of the white man.
Marky can bring himself to hate marxists but not the people who are
marxists. You can't go there with him. I dunno, maybe joos love to
be victims, see some sort of glory in it, and that leads them to build
entire advocacy machines around history's losers.
Trav
Mark Goldberg
>> Your wife dumped you.
>
> No she didn't. I made her an offer. I have a new gf every month, wtf
> do I want a wife for?
>
>> Now you live here....
>
> Naw, I'm just bored and virtually hang out here.
Naw, you're boring and hang out here. And the lowlife in the reply right
above is your girlfriend.
You guys go pleasure each other, and let the humans talk.
>
> I notice you can make no refutation of anything I say.
>
You notice your a fool... and that's why I haven't bothered today.
And haven't of late....?
> Your clan created the marxist multicultural machine. Don't blame me
> when your kaffir throat gets slit by the dogs you protect.
>
> Marlboro man would have just shot them and been done with it. The
> white man made this continent
You aint't no man, no 'white' man, and your wife,
knows the facts come in your hair....
Deadrat
e7f5c0...@12g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 6, hal wrote:
>> >>>- FrontPage Magazine -http://frontpagemag.com-
>>
>> >>>Jihad at Fort Hood - by Robert Spencer
>>
>> >> You're a racist pig, Goldberg. �This has nothing to do with a man
>> >> being Muslim.
>>
>> simple fact is you have no idea what happened to this man, but you
>> automatically hate him and blame his religion simply because he is a
>> Muslim. typical Christian bigot.
>
> Classic!
>
>> same reason we invaded Iraq and murdered a million Muslims
>> n cold blood.
>> I can't imagine a decent Muslim man NOT being pissed off by that one.
>
> double wow
>
> In other words, "decent Muslims" are psychotic homicidal maniacs?
I think he said decent Muslims would be pissed off by our actions in
Iraq.
> Which we must respect and
> understand, because they are victimized persons
> of color... can't hold them to the same standards as
> white folks, that would be racist...
Wow! Where did this come from?
>
> Lieberals are such robots, the only time they ever
> tell the truth is when it slips out, inadvertently...
>
> sing to the tune "There's no business like show business":
>
> There's no racism like liberalism,
> No racism at all...
A little projection, rightard?
Just askin'.
>
>
> Sam
>
>
Rabid Weasel Lawson
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:56:19 -0500, Mark Goldberg
> <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>> 12 dead and 31 wounded. My SF buddy thinks it took more than one man to
>>> cause such mayhem. I dont.What a terrible tragedy.
>>> That was a terrorist suicide gunman. I have been expecting something like
>>> this for a long time.
>>
>>- FrontPage Magazine - http://frontpagemag.com -
>>
>>Jihad at Fort Hood � by Robert Spencer
>
> You're a racist pig, Goldberg. This has nothing to do with a man
> being Muslim.
You do not know this. A great deal of circumstantial evidence points to
Radical Islam as a factor, possibly the prime motivation. Multiple
witnesses report him screaming "Allah Akbar" during his attack.
> This is about a man pushed beyond his limits because
> he's in a military that's pushed beyond their limits.
And your evidence of this conclusion is what again? (hint: the voices in
your head don't count)
(IH)
Deadrat
1b47-422d-90a...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>> There's something I'm unclear about in your theory,
>> Trav... is this Joooish media conspiracy a deliberate
>> plot,. where the jooos have secret meetings and
>> committees and organizing? �Or is it somehow an
>> 'unconscious' plot, so to speak, where the jooos do
>> it naturally? �Or is it just a bunch of anti-whites doing
>> their thing, and many of them happen to be joos, for
>> no explained reason?
>>
>> Sam
>
> JFC...this is maddening.
>
> Look, Sam, I have gone FAR FAR out of my way to EXPLICITLY say that
> there IS NO CONSPIRACY.
>
> How much MORE PLAIN can I be than that? Why is it when I say this
> that everyone like you ASSUMES I intend to say there is a conspiracy?
>
> There is NONE. No plot, no premeditation, no conspiracy. It's merely
> an emergent phenomenon, like how fish school. It's concert of action
> by LIKE MINDED actors.
Fish gotta school. Jews got a Yeshiva.
Got bad news for you, Trav. It *is* a conspiracy. The Jews all get
together after Shabbes services and plot the takeover of the world.
And, guess what? your name is on the agenda for tonight!
You're in trouble now, Trav.
> I dont know why joos are so enamored of blacks...
Do ya think it might be some shared sense of injustice?
Nah.
> I mean, shit, this
> black girl I know talked about how Julian Epstein (one of Clitton's
> gang) was hitting on her and she says "like every jewish guy wants a
> black girl." I don't get it. Some ballers in NYC were hitting on her
> and I was like "they jewish?" she says shit like "of course." This is
> not a racially unaware girl nor a typical black. My favorite from her
> was "why do you tolerate african americans, they are useless."
> Apparently, jewish men chase after her like nuts...so much so that the
> stereotype is well, accurate.
What more unbelievable? That you knew a black girl? (Hey, Trav.
dontchaknow that blacks don't say "of course"; they say "fa shizzle.")
Or that she knew all these Jews who were hittin' on her. Too funny.
Even the figments of your imagination have figments of their own
imaginations.
> That joos were behind the NAACP and SPLC and fought FOR integration by
> force if necessary is inarguable.
Yes, indeed. (Although the SPLC wasn't founded until 1971, some time
after the battles for integration.) By force? Were Schwerner, Chaney,
and Goodman (true, only two of them were Jews) running around the south
killing innocent segregationists? Did some cabal of Jews blow up a
church in Birmingham in 1963? Were there gangs of Jews at the Edmund
Pettus bridge turning hoses on crowds of innocent members of the
Daughters of the Confederacy.
What a pathetic wanker you are.
> Don't ask me why, I have no clue.
Oh, no argument there.
<snip>
Incoherent rant about Marxists and Hollywood film producers
</snip>
And here I thought you were a troll. But, no, you're suffering from Jew-
on-the-brain.
I'll offer up the excuse that it's often hard to tell.
> Trav
SPORTfighter
wrote:
ex of what i say
"after [the Anderson Cooper show] was over, we got a “special edition”
of Larry King Live hosted by Wolf Blitzer. This one really took the
cake. By way of “illuminating” Hasan’s actions, Blitzer interviewed a
panel of — no, not experts on Islamic jihad, but psychiatrists.
Blitzer endlessly repeated the mantra that Hasan had been “taunted”
for being Muslim, had feared going to a war zone, and had ultimately
gone “berserk,” and the docs echoed this line. “He did not reach for
help when he should have,” lamented one panelist. Another opined: “It
sounded like it got to be too much for him.” Yet another told us: “All
kind of people need help who aren’t getting help. … He was feeling
picked on by his colleagues. … He was strained. He was scared.”"
he is now said to have been yelling "alu akbar" during the attack.
but he was stressed.
he was the victim of taunting cause he was a muslim.
maybe just maybe...
the taunting of muslims isnt doesnt cause them to kill.
maybe....maybe they are taunted cause muslims kill people so much.
just a crzy theory i got.
hal
wrote:
>
>> >Jihad at Fort Hood =96 by Robert Spencer
>>
>> You're a racist pig, Goldberg. =A0This has nothing to do with a man
>> being Muslim. =A0This is about a man pushed beyond his limits because
>> he's in a military that's pushed beyond their limits. =A0
>
>Except that, in the days leading up to the incident, he was posting on
>Islamic chat sites about how he was going to kill for Islam; and
>according to eyewitnesses, at the beginning of the incident he shouted
>the name Allah...
unconfirmed
hal
<samth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 6, hal wrote:
>> >>>- FrontPage Magazine -http://frontpagemag.com-
>>
>> >>>Jihad at Fort Hood - by Robert Spencer
>>
>> >> You're a racist pig, Goldberg. =A0This has nothing to do with a man
>> >> being Muslim.
>>
>> simple fact is you have no idea what happened to this man, but you
>> automatically hate him and blame his religion simply because he is a
>> Muslim. typical Christian bigot.
>
>Classic!
>
>> same reason we invaded Iraq and murdered a million Muslims
>> n cold blood.
>> I can't imagine a decent Muslim man NOT being pissed off by that one.
>
>double wow
>
>In other words, "decent Muslims" are psychotic
>homicidal maniacs?
don't read so good, do you, moron.
> Which we must respect and
>understand, because they are victimized persons
>of color... can't hold them to the same standards as
>white folks, that would be racist...
>
>Lieberals are such robots, the only time they ever
>tell the truth is when it slips out, inadvertently...
>
>sing to the tune "There's no business like show business":
>
>There's no racism like liberalism,
>No racism at all...
there certainly is no stupidity like your own.
>
>
>Sam
>
hal
<lawson@NO30235SPAM+dayton.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:16:40 +0000, hal wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:56:19 -0500, Mark Goldberg
>> <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>> 12 dead and 31 wounded. My SF buddy thinks it took more than one man to
>>>> cause such mayhem. I dont.What a terrible tragedy.
>>>> That was a terrorist suicide gunman. I have been expecting something like
>>>> this for a long time.
>>>
>>>- FrontPage Magazine - http://frontpagemag.com -
>>>
>>>Jihad at Fort Hood � by Robert Spencer
>>
>> You're a racist pig, Goldberg. This has nothing to do with a man
>> being Muslim.
>
>You do not know this. A great deal of circumstantial evidence points to
>Radical Islam as a factor, possibly the prime motivation. Multiple
>witnesses report him screaming "Allah Akbar" during his attack.
you do not know this.
hal
<samth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 6, hal wrote:
>>=A0This is about a man pushed beyond his limits because
>> he's in a military that's pushed beyond their limits. =A0
>
>
>*** NEWS FLASH ***
>
>Boys join the army because they WANT
>to be pushed beyond their limits, numb
>nuts. It's the second most important reason
>they enlist (#1 is they get to shoot rifles
>and blow shit up).
>
no, moron, "boys" join the Army because they're losers who can't get
through life on their own.
>Sam
Wes Groleau
>> I can't imagine a decent Muslim man NOT being pissed off by that one.
Reported as alcoholic. Inconsistent with what Muslims consider decent.
--
Wes Groleau
Third World Comes to the U.S.
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/russell?itemid=1505
Rabid Weasel Lawson
Is that why you joined? You *did* claim that you're ex, right?
(IH)
Rabid Weasel Lawson
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:55:28 -0600, Rabid Weasel Lawson
> <lawson@NO30235SPAM+dayton.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:16:40 +0000, hal wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:56:19 -0500, Mark Goldberg
>>> <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>>> 12 dead and 31 wounded. My SF buddy thinks it took more than one man to
>>>>> cause such mayhem. I dont.What a terrible tragedy.
>>>>> That was a terrorist suicide gunman. I have been expecting something like
>>>>> this for a long time.
>>>>
>>>>- FrontPage Magazine - http://frontpagemag.com -
>>>>
>>>>Jihad at Fort Hood � by Robert Spencer
>>>
>>> You're a racist pig, Goldberg. This has nothing to do with a man
>>> being Muslim.
>>
>>You do not know this. A great deal of circumstantial evidence points to
>>Radical Islam as a factor, possibly the prime motivation. Multiple
>>witnesses report him screaming "Allah Akbar" during his attack.
>
> you do not know this.
Yes we do, in fact, know that multiple witnesses claim he yelled "Allah
Akbar."
(IH)
hal
<lawson@NO30235SPAM+dayton.net> wrote:
the news also rerported there were multiple gunman and the principle
shooter was shot and killed. Wrong on both accounts. I think you
should wait for the official statements of everyone to be released
before you start jumping on the hate Muslims bandwagon.
>
>(IH)
Appledog
>
> Nidal Malik Hasan was born in Virginia but didn’t think of himself as an
> American: on a form he filled out at the Muslim Community Center in
> Silver Spring, Maryland, he gave his nationality not as “American” but
> as “Palestinian.” A mosque official found that curious, saying: “I don’t
> know why he listed Palestinian. He was not born in Palestine.”
>
> He is a graduate of Virginia Tech and has a doctorate in psychiatry from
> the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. (my note: he
> received his entire education and training for free) While there, NPR
> reports, Hasan was “put on probation early in his postgraduate work” and
> was “disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients
> and colleagues.”
I can't comprehend how someone who was born and raised in the united
states could hold the beliefs he held without being mentally insane.
-
Greendistantstar
>> American: on a form he filled out at the Muslim Community Center in
>> as �Palestinian.� A mosque official found that curious, saying: �I don�t
>> know why he listed Palestinian. He was not born in Palestine.�
>>
>> He is a graduate of Virginia Tech and has a doctorate in psychiatry from
>> the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. (my note: he
>> received his entire education and training for free) While there, NPR
>> was �disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients
>> and colleagues.�
>
> I can't comprehend how someone who was born and raised in the united
> states could hold the beliefs he held without being mentally insane.
Have you ever heard of a Christian chaplain being disciplined for proselytizing?
Not that being concerned about Islam isn't rational...
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Appledog
wrote:> >> Nidal Malik Hasan was born in Virginia but didn t think of himself as an
> >> American: on a form he filled out at the Muslim Community Center in
> >> as Palestinian. A mosque official found that curious, saying: I don t
> >> know why he listed Palestinian. He was not born in Palestine.
>
> >> the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. (my note: he
> >> received his entire education and training for free) While there, NPR
> >> was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients
> >> and colleagues.
>
> > I can't comprehend how someone who was born and raised in the united
> > states could hold the beliefs he held without being mentally insane.
>
> Have you ever heard of a Christian chaplain being disciplined for proselytizing?
>
> Not that being concerned about Islam isn't rational...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yblee9e
>
> GDS
>
> "Let's roll!"
Islam severely overestimates it's position within the seat of Asia.
The Chinese muslims I know are not outspoken in any way. In fact, you
otherwise wouldn't know about them.
No, what will happen to Islam, in the face of their devotion, will be
the same as throughout all of human history; assimilation. It's also a
much more likely scenario for Australia, that is, assimilation into
being Chinese - more than Islamic enslavement. It's also much more
welcome because it is based on natural processes, allowing humans what
freedoms they may see fit for themselves throughout the process. You
can see it beginning with the huge populatity of manga and anime in
recent western generations. It's wholesale adoption of eastern
culture. We take the good with the bad of course - such as the
introduction of enjo kosai to taiwan after the publication of a
japanese sitcom featuring it.
-
Greendistantstar
It's hardly surprising that a communist country would have few Muslims.
We have 160 million Muslims in Indonesia within spitting distance....Asia is more than just China.
> No, what will happen to Islam, in the face of their devotion, will be
> the same as throughout all of human history; assimilation.
Islam's essential fundamentalism has made it the *least* assimilable.
Quite to the contrary, visit the UK some time to see how well it has subsumed its host.
> It's also a
> much more likely scenario for Australia, that is, assimilation into
> being Chinese - more than Islamic enslavement.
lol
> It's also much more
> welcome
Communism isn't welcome here, dude.
because it is based on natural processes, allowing humans what
> freedoms they may see fit for themselves throughout the process.
The only 'freedoms' you get in totalitarian regimes are the ones you are allowed to have.
The 'natural processes' such as human striving and achieving are stunted by communism, which except
for a few places, has been rejected by humanity as unworkable and morally corrupt. China's
censorship of the 'net says a lot, does it not?
> You
> can see it beginning with the huge populatity of manga and anime in
> recent western generations. It's wholesale adoption of eastern
> culture.
Bullshit. The cultural icons, especially for youth, are western, not eastern, and mostly American.
>We take the good with the bad of course - such as the
> introduction of enjo kosai to taiwan after the publication of a
> japanese sitcom featuring it.
KFC in Beijing, Won Ton in Idaho, news at 6....
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Mark Goldberg
Boys join for lot's of reasons but the pride that you see on the faces
of these guys who survive basic and thereon is something much more
indicative of people who learn to take pride in their accomplishments,
all the way up to a developed sense of what it means to have pride and
why, indeed, a self worth that is well earned.
Mark
hal
And my far the most successful at this are those that start out with
no feeling of self worth whatsoever. That's who they are looking for,
for the Army. And the worse they can make the economy, the more
pathetic people they can find. That's why the conservatives always
trash the economy. It's called the economic draft.
>
>Mark
>
>
hal
<lawson@NO30235SPAM+dayton.net> wrote:
You were there? Don't forget the news also reported there were three
gunmen and the primary gunman was killed. You might want to reserve
your conviction until you know all the facts. But guess that's never
stopped you before.
>
>(IH)
Mark Goldberg
"after [the Anderson Cooper show] was over, we got a �special edition�
> of Larry King Live hosted by Wolf Blitzer. This one really took the
> panel of � no, not experts on Islamic jihad, but psychiatrists.
> Blitzer endlessly repeated the mantra that Hasan had been �taunted�
> for being Muslim, had feared going to a war zone, and had ultimately
> help when he should have,� lamented one panelist. Another opined: �It
> sounded like it got to be too much for him.� Yet another told us: �All
> kind of people need help who aren�t getting help. � He was feeling
> picked on by his colleagues. � He was strained. He was scared.�"
>
> he is now said to have been yelling "alu akbar" during the attack.
> but he was stressed.
> he was the victim of taunting cause he was a muslim.
> maybe just maybe...
> the taunting of muslims isnt doesnt cause them to kill.
> maybe....maybe they are taunted cause muslims kill people so much.
> just a crzy theory i got.
Here's some further evidence....
MAJOR MUSLIM HASAN "HARANGUED THE DOCTORS AND STAFF ABOUT WHAT THE QURAN
TAUGHT ABOUT NON-BELIEVERS GOING TO HELL, BEING SCALDED, BEHEADED"
While the media turns itself inside out struggling to find a motive for
Major Muslim's jihad, go to this interview on, of all places, NPR,
Listen to a psychiatrist�s recollection of a lecture Hasan gave (a
�grand round� is the term for it) when he was a medical resident at
Walter Reed. �It freaked them out.� Normally, a lecturer focuses on a
particular disease or disorder and recent research or treatment options.
Instead, Hasan reportedly harangued the doctors and staff about what the
Quran taught about non-believers going to hell, being scalded, beheaded,
etc. A Muslim psychiatrist in the audience reportedly challenged him
about his interpretation of the Quran, but he would not back down
(because he was right). Another version of the story I heard quoted a
source as saying that several in the audience suggested afterward that
Hasan might be a shooter someday.
Forward the audio audio to 1:50 and listen through 3:05 to hear most
relevant comments...This is EXPLOSIVE and it's NPR.
UPDATE: Last night, Grant transcribed and e-mailed about this NPR
audio. Here is the direct link to the MP3 file that contains the
statement about people wondering if Hasan would "freak out and shoot
people someday": This URL still works...at the moment, at least.
Here's Grant's transcription of pieces of the key part that starts a
little after three minutes in the audio file:
3:12 - "I talked just a little while ago with a psychiatrist at Walter
Reedwho worked closely, uh, with Hasan, and he says there were a couple
things with Hasan that worried a lot of people at Walter Reed"
4:01 - "A couple years ago, two or three years ago, he gave a Grand
Rounds presentation"
4:19 - "But instead of giving an academic paper, he gave a lecture on
the Quran"
4:29 - "He talked about how if you're a nonbeliever, uh, the Quran says
you should have your head cut off, you should have oil poured down your
throats, you should be set on fire"
4:58 - "People actually talked in the hallway afterwards about, 'Is he,
uh, one of these people who's gonna freak out and shoot people someday?'
It was half kidding, but half serious, he said."
They knew. And they know of others. And they will do nothing. If
anything, they will recruit more Muslims to show that this act of jihad
has not "prejudiced" them in any way.
Like 911 was a major victory for Islam in this country -- ie CAIR is on
FOX to discuss the jihad at Fort Hood but not Spencer, Bostom, or myself
not to mention the teutonic societal changes, mosqueing the workplace,
shariah finance, shariah, law, a muhammadan president -- Fort Hood will
escalate the islamisation of the military.
Jihad's 5th Column:
The Fort Hood terrorist is being portrayed as an "anomaly," an
"aberration," a "lone wolf." Sadly, he's just one of many examples of
jihadist traitors in the ranks of the military.
Together they form a dangerous Fifth Column, and the Pentagon � thanks
to institutionalized political correctness � is doing next to nothing to
root them out .
Instead, brass are actively recruiting Muslim soldiers � whose ranks
have swelled to more than 15,000 � and catering to their faith by
erecting mosques even at Marine headquarters in Quantico, Va. More,
they're hiring Muslim chaplains endorsed by radical Islamic front
groups, who convert and radicalize soldiers.
In the wake of the worst domestic military-base massacre in U.S.
history, this is an outrage to say the least. And the PC blinders
explain how Fort Hood commanders could have failed so horrifically in
protecting their force from the internal threat there.
The terrorist suspect, an Islamic fanatic, penetrated deep into the
Army's officer corps before gunning down, execution-style, more than 40
of his fellow soldiers. Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly killed 13 at
the Texas post, which boasts some 40 Muslims.
Witnesses say he shouted "Allahu Akbar" � Allah is great! � before
opening fire in a crowded building where troops were sitting ducks,
waiting to deploy to Iraq and Afghanistan, both wars that Hasan angrily
opposed. "Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor," he
reportedly said earlier this year, referring to the U.S. � the country
he swore to protect.
During the invasion of Iraq in March 2003, another devout Muslim in the
Army had a similar conflict. Sgt. Hasan Akbar also resorted to violence,
fragging 17 fellow soldiers, killing two. Why? He opposed the killing of
fellow Muslims. "You guys are coming into our countries, and you're
going to rape our women and kill our children," he was overheard by
soldiers who survived the grenade attack as saying.
Clearly, his loyalties lay elsewhere. And he's hardly alone:
� Navy Signalman Hassan Abujihaad last year was convicted of tipping off
al-Qaida to battle group movements in the Persian Gulf, including
disclosing classified documents detailing the group's vulnerability to
terror attack.
� Army reservist Jeffrey Battle in 2003 pleaded guilty to conspiring to
wage war against the U.S., confessing he enlisted "to receive military
training to use against America."
� Army reservist Semi Osman in 2002 was arrested for providing material
support to al-Qaida and pleaded guilty to weapons charges after agreeing
to testify against other terror suspects.
� Marine Abdul Raheem al-Arshad Ali trained at a suspected al-Qaida camp
and was charged with selling a semi-automatic handgun to Osman.
� Army Sgt. Ali Mohamed trained Green Berets at Fort Bragg's elite
special warfare school before stealing military secrets for al-Qaida and
helping plan bombings at three U.S. embassies in 1998.
� Army Spec. Ryan Anderson in 2004 was convicted of leaking military
intelligence to al-Qaida terrorists, including sensitive information
about the vulnerabilities of armored Humvees.
� Army sniper John Muhammad was put on death row after fatally shooting
10 in the nation's capital a year after 9/11.
UPDATE: Here's the whole NPR broacast. Much thanks to Diane for the full
transcript:
Interviewer: So authorities have answered one question, they believe it
was a single gunman. In a way that only deepens the mystery of Major
Nadal Malik Hasan. We�ve been learning more about it this morning. First
from NPR�s Tom Gelton, who�s been covering the . .
Good morning, Tom (T: good morning)
Interviewer: who is he?
Tom Gelton: Nadal Hasan was born here in the Washington D.C. area of
Arlington. His parents were palestinian immigrants, it seems. He went to
local schools, graduated from VA Tech, joined the Army, spent basically
his whole adult life in the Army, that�s where he received his medical
education. He was trained as a psychiatrist by the Army and served for
several years at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, ironically
specializing in the treatment of combat stress. He transferred to Ft.
Hood earlier this year. He was soon to be deployed, apparently to
Afghanistan. We�ve heard from various sources that that uh bothered him
for whatever reason, that he was a devout muslim. He took his faith very
seriously. We can�t say of course that that was relevant here.
Interviewer: So. Soon to be deployed, and you mentioned that he also
spent a lot of time at Walter Reed. I want to bring another voice into
the conversation here: NPR�s Daniels Wordling has covered post-traumatic
stress disorder over the years, and has also spent a lot of time with
people at Walter Reed. (good mornings) I understand you�ve spoke to
someone who knew him, who worked with him at Walter Reed.
Daniels Wordling: Earlier today I spoke with a psychiatrist who worked
very closely with Hasan, and knows him very well. And he said from the
beginning, and Hasan was there for four years, the medical staff was
very worried about this guy. He said, the first thing is: He�s cold.
Unfriendly (at least that�s how he came off). He did not do a good job
as a psychiatrist in training; he was repeatedly warned, You better
shape up or you�re gonna be in trouble. Did badly in his classes, seemed
disinterested. But, second of all and this is perhaps more relevant, the
psychiatrist says that he was very proud and upfront about being muslim;
and this psychiatrist said nobody minded that. But he seemed almost
belligerent about being muslim. And he gave a lecture one day that
really freaked a lot of doctors out. They have grand rounds, you know
they have dozens of medical staff come into an auditorium and somebody
stands at a podium at the front and gives a lecture about some academic
issue. You know, what drugs to prescribe for what condition. But,
instead of that he�Hasan�apparently gave a long lecture on the koran.
And talked about how if you don�t believe you are condemned to Hell.
Your head is cut off; your on fire, burning oil is poured down your
throat. And I said to the psychiatrist that this could be just a very
interesting informational session. Where he was just educatiing
everybody about the koran. But he said what disturbed everybody was that
Hasan seemed to believe these things. And actually a muslim in the
audience, actually a psychiatrist, raised his hand and said Excuse me.
I�m a muslim and I do not believe these things in the koran. And then I
don�t believe what you say the koran says. And Hasan didn�t just say
Well I�m just giving you one view. He basically just stared the guy down.
Interviewer: We have a picture of a man, then, who at Walter Reed Army
Center was disliked by his colleagues�or maybe the word is
disturbed�(and disliked is also a relevant word)
Daniels Wordling: The psychiatrist this morning said people generally
considered him a blank-bag, you know this is what they say.
Interviewer: He is sent to Ft. Hood, TX, and he knows he is at the
point, as the shooting allegedly begins, of which he is accused, that he
is about to be deployed to Afghanistan. Now Tom, you�ve been looking
into some of the stresses of military personnel of being sent overseas.
Tom Gelton: That�s right, Steve. You know you refer to post-traumatic
stress disorder (PTSD), there almost seems to be a phenomenon that could
be called a Pre-traumatic stress disorder. There�ve been a lot of
suicides in the Army; many more as a result of these wars than in
previous years. Interestingly enough, as many soldiers have killed
themselves before they were due to be deployed as after; 35 percent of
the suicides are pre-deployment; 35 percent are post-deployment. So
there seems to be an issue here of expectation of what you are getting
into. And the fact that Major Hasan would have known better than others
even, about how traumatic combat experience would be. You know, raises
the question of, you know, was he an example of these soldiers who are
literally freaked out by what they are likely to face when they are
deployed.
Interviewer: And it�s hard to miss the location of this shooting. A
processing center for people being sent overseas.
Daniels Wordling. . .
Daniels Wordling: I want to add something else about Hasan. The
psychiatrist I talked to today said he was the kind of guy who the staff
actually stood around in the hallway saying �Do you think he�s a
terrorist?� �Or is he just weird?� And now apparently Walter Reed is in
a lockdown mode. Where they�all the staff�s been instructed Do not talk
to anybody about this investigation. Except military people. Do not talk
to the FBI. Because they�re afraid potentially�what if people
decide�investigating this�that people missed potential warning signs
about this guy. This is just all speculation.
Interviewer: How can they NOT talk to the FBI?
Daniels Wordling: Well, our colleague Dina Temple Raston (?) has heard
that from the FBI, and this military officer is telling me the same
thing from Walter Reed.
Interviewer: Okay. NPR�s Dan Wordling and Tom Gelton Thank you. (thank
yous) And we want to mention this is a moment that may be distressing
for some listeners because we hear so much about the suspect and so
little about the victims. That is a factor of what we know now. The
military is saying very little about the victims so far except that
there are 13 dead�12 military, 1 civilian. But it is very early and we
expect to learn more and bring you more in the coming hours. And days.
Posted by Pamela Geller on Saturday, November 07, 2009
Mark Goldberg
This is your 'feeling'.
Yes... it is based on your own ideas, which of course has no basis
except your own 'feeling'.
As is the immediate non-sequitar about 'the worse they can make the
economy, the more pathetic people they can find', and 'that's why the
conservatives always trash the economy...'
All a stream of your own invention.
However, as to the original point, by you
> "boys" join the Army because they're losers who can't get
> through life on their own.
You are a loser, a marxist hater of capitalism, jews, christians, and
the exceptionalism that is the US history to give more freedoms to more
people and more opportunity to more 'people's than any other system and
for which you dispise the nation
and of course as you demonstrate so dramatically here.... the poor
for whom you have nothing but contempt....
Mark
hal
<msgol...@optonline.net> wrote:
>hal wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:15:21 -0500, Mark Goldberg
>> <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>> Boys join for lot's of reasons but the pride that you see on the faces
>>> of these guys who survive basic and thereon is something much more
>>> indicative of people who learn to take pride in their accomplishments,
>>> all the way up to a developed sense of what it means to have pride and
>>> why, indeed, a self worth that is well earned.
>>
>> And my far the most successful at this are those that start out with
>> no feeling of self worth whatsoever. That's who they are looking for,
>> for the Army. And the worse they can make the economy, the more
>> pathetic people they can find. That's why the conservatives always
>> trash the economy. It's called the economic draft.
>
>This is your 'feeling'.
>
>Yes... it is based on your own ideas, which of course has no basis
>except your own 'feeling'.
I was in the military. I know how they work. And I know the kind of
people that are successful in the military.
>
>As is the immediate non-sequitar about 'the worse they can make the
>economy, the more pathetic people they can find', and 'that's why the
>conservatives always trash the economy...'
>
>All a stream of your own invention.
nonsense. It's a well known fact the economy regularly goes to shit
under the conservatives. Look it up.
>
>However, as to the original point, by you
> > "boys" join the Army because they're losers who can't get
>> through life on their own.
>
>You are a loser, a marxist hater of capitalism, jews, christians, and
>the exceptionalism that is the US history to give more freedoms to more
>people and more opportunity to more 'people's than any other system and
>for which you dispise the nation
>and of course as you demonstrate so dramatically here.... the poor
>for whom you have nothing but contempt....
I am a champion for the poor. You consider anyone but Jews nothing
but cattle. It's a part of your culture, and obvious in the way you
treat other people.
>
>Mark
Demon Buddha
>> own personal owned firearms. I have often wondered why.
>
> "You can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
Dr. Strangelove.
djinn
> >> American: on a form he filled out at the Muslim Community Center in
> >> as “Palestinian.” A mosque official found that curious, saying: “I don’t
> >> know why he listed Palestinian. He was not born in Palestine.”
>
> >> He is a graduate of Virginia Tech and has a doctorate in psychiatry from
> >> the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. (my note: he
> >> received his entire education and training for free) While there, NPR
> >> was “disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients
> >> and colleagues.”
>
> > I can't comprehend how someone who was born and raised in the united
> > states could hold the beliefs he held without being mentally insane.
>
> Have you ever heard of a Christian chaplain being disciplined for proselytizing?
>
hurry.
More importantly, this guy is a psychiatrist - he shouldn't be pushing
religion on his patients.
> Not that being concerned about Islam isn't rational...
>
No shit.
>
> "Let's roll!"
djinn
> We have 160 million Muslims in Indonesia within spitting distance....Asia is more than just China.
>
> > No, what will happen to Islam, in the face of their devotion, will be
> > the same as throughout all of human history; assimilation.
>
> Islam's essential fundamentalism has made it the *least* assimilable.
>
> Quite to the contrary, visit the UK some time to see how well it has subsumed its host.
>
> > It's also a
> > much more likely scenario for Australia, that is, assimilation into
> > being Chinese - more than Islamic enslavement.
>
> lol
>
> > It's also much more
> > welcome
>
> Communism isn't welcome here, dude.
>
Like your standard of living, do ya?
> because it is based on natural processes, allowing humans what
>
> > freedoms they may see fit for themselves throughout the process.
>
> The only 'freedoms' you get in totalitarian regimes are the ones you are allowed to have.
> The 'natural processes' such as human striving and achieving are stunted by communism, which except
> for a few places, has been rejected by humanity as unworkable and morally corrupt. China's
> censorship of the 'net says a lot, does it not?
Pretty well nails it.
>
snip
>
> KFC in Beijing, Won Ton in Idaho, news at 6....
>
KFC is all over the place. Hurray for globalism.
Greendistantstar
> On Nov 7, 10:12 pm, Greendistantstar <Greendistants...@iinet.net.au>
> wrote:
>> Appledog wrote:
>>> On Nov 6, 9:56 pm, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>> American: on a form he filled out at the Muslim Community Center in
>>>> know why he listed Palestinian. He was not born in Palestine.�
>>>> He is a graduate of Virginia Tech and has a doctorate in psychiatry from
>>>> the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. (my note: he
>>>> received his entire education and training for free) While there, NPR
>>>> was �disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients
>>>> and colleagues.�
>>> I can't comprehend how someone who was born and raised in the united
>>> states could hold the beliefs he held without being mentally insane.
>> Have you ever heard of a Christian chaplain being disciplined for proselytizing?
>>
> Yes. Proselytizing in your place of work will get you trouble in a
> hurry.
Military Chaplains' workplaces?
> More importantly, this guy is a psychiatrist - he shouldn't be pushing
> religion on his patients.
I agree, so long as we include ALL religions.
>> Not that being concerned about Islam isn't rational...
>>
> No shit.
No shit.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Greendistantstar
There are 'lots' relative to elsewhere, few relative to China's population.
>> We have 160 million Muslims in Indonesia within spitting distance....Asia is more than just China.
>>
>>> No, what will happen to Islam, in the face of their devotion, will be
>>> the same as throughout all of human history; assimilation.
>> Islam's essential fundamentalism has made it the *least* assimilable.
>>
>> Quite to the contrary, visit the UK some time to see how well it has subsumed its host.
>>
>>> It's also a
>>> much more likely scenario for Australia, that is, assimilation into
>>> being Chinese - more than Islamic enslavement.
>> lol
>>
>>> It's also much more
>>> welcome
>> Communism isn't welcome here, dude.
>>
> Like your standard of living, do ya?
Yup, so do the Chinese, which is why they're buying everything we have to sell.
>> because it is based on natural processes, allowing humans what
>>
>>> freedoms they may see fit for themselves throughout the process.
>> The only 'freedoms' you get in totalitarian regimes are the ones you are allowed to have.
>> The 'natural processes' such as human striving and achieving are stunted by communism, which except
>> for a few places, has been rejected by humanity as unworkable and morally corrupt. China's
>> censorship of the 'net says a lot, does it not?
>
> Pretty well nails it.
> snip
>> KFC in Beijing, Won Ton in Idaho, news at 6....
>>
> KFC is all over the place. Hurray for globalism.
I.....like....Chinese.......>>>>>>
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Mark Goldberg
>
>>> Jihad at Fort Hood � by Robert Spencer
>>
>> You're a racist pig, Goldberg. This has nothing to do with a man
>> he's in a military that's pushed beyond their limits.
>
> Islamic chat sites about how he was going to kill for Islam; and
> according to eyewitnesses, at the beginning of the incident he shouted
> the name Allah...
>
Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam
said to be a "spiritual adviser" to three of the hijackers who attacked
America on Sept 11, 2001.
Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in
Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls,
Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11
terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother's funeral was
held there in May that year.
The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni
scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link
in August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops
and backing terrorist organisations.
Hasan's eyes "lit up" when he mentioned his deep respect for al-Awlaki's
teachings, according to a fellow Muslim officer at the Fort Hood base in
Texas, the scene of Thursday's horrific shooting spree.
As investigators look at Hasan's motives and mindset, his attendance at
the mosque could be an important piece of the jigsaw. Al-Awlaki moved to
Dar al-Hijrah as imam in January, 2001, from the west coast, and three
months later the September 11 hijackers Nawaf al-Hamzi and Hani Hanjour
began attending his services. A third hijacker attended his services in
California.
Hasan was praying at Dar al-Hijrah at about the same time, and the FBI
will now want to investigate whether he met the two terrorists.
Charles Allen, a former under-secretary for intelligence at the
Department of Homeland Security, has described al-Awlaki, who now lives
in Yemen, as an "al-Qaeda supporter, and former spiritual leader to
three of the September 11 hijackers... who targets US Muslims with
radical online lectures encouraging terrorist attacks from his new home
in Yemen"....
Posted by Robert on November 7, 2009
trav...@aol.com
> above is your girlfriend.
>
> You guys go pleasure each other, and let the humans talk.
You rant like a fucking chimp; you're no human.
> You notice your a fool... and that's why I haven't bothered today.
> And haven't of late....?
Your concession is noted.
> You aint't no man, no 'white' man, and your wife,
Stop projecting on me you fuckin neurotic, sniveling trash. And I
don't have a wife.
> knows the facts come in your hair....
Your wife gets come in her face.
Trav
trav...@aol.com
Who in the eff crossposted THIS thread too??
> Got bad news for you, Trav. It *is* a conspiracy. The Jews all get
> together after Shabbes services and plot the takeover of the world.
> And, guess what? your name is on the agenda for tonight!
No, it's not a conspiracy. I think I just explained that.
> You're in trouble now, Trav.
Why are you going to insult my intelligence again with your drivel?
> Do ya think it might be some shared sense of injustice?
The injustice is an illusion and joos have historically been
perpetrators as much as victims, as have blacks.
> What more unbelievable? That you knew a black girl? (Hey, Trav.
> dontchaknow that blacks don't say "of course"; they say "fa shizzle.")
> Or that she knew all these Jews who were hittin' on her. Too funny.
> Even the figments of your imagination have figments of their own
> imaginations.
Do you fucking know who Julian Epstein is? The rest of that racist
tripe you said, I'll just ignore.
> Yes, indeed. (Although the SPLC wasn't founded until 1971, some time
> after the battles for integration.) By force? Were Schwerner, Chaney,
> and Goodman (true, only two of them were Jews) running around the south
> killing innocent segregationists? Did some cabal of Jews blow up a
> church in Birmingham in 1963? Were there gangs of Jews at the Edmund
> Pettus bridge turning hoses on crowds of innocent members of the
> Daughters of the Confederacy.
Did I accuse joos of being violent?
> And here I thought you were a troll. But, no, you're suffering from Jew-
> on-the-brain.
Whatever, clown. Ignore reality if you choose to.
Trav
Rabid Weasel Lawson
> I think you
> should wait for the official statements of everyone to be released
> before you start jumping on the hate Muslims bandwagon.
Stop projecting. I said nothing, nor implied anything about hating
moslems.
(IH)
Rabid Weasel Lawson
The witnesses were.
> Don't forget the news also reported there were three
> gunmen and the primary gunman was killed.
Not exactly. I actually paid attention to what they said. They said, "we
are currently hearing" which is different from what is being reported
about witness reports.
Naturally, however, you are still attempting to divert attention. The
fact is, that your absurd claim as to the man's motivation has VASTLY less
support (as in "none") than the hypothesis that his actions were based
upon or influenced by his religion.
Keep dodging.
> You might want to reserve
> your conviction until you know all the facts. But guess that's never
> stopped you before.
Weren't you just lecturing about not making assumptions about motivation?
Riiiight.
(IH)
trav...@aol.com
There's a gigantic machine that teaches every one of us that our
history is nothing but an atrocity.
Trav
trav...@aol.com
You're applying rules that are only applicable to WASPs.
It is ok for any member of any group other than whites to be racist.
Trav
trav...@aol.com
> On Nov 6, 12:48 pm, "travis...@aol.cominyrface" <travis...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 6, 12:46 pm, SPORTfighter <billamaho...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 6, 8:05 am, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > > > 12 dead and 31 wounded. My SF buddy thinks it took more than one man to
> > > > cause such mayhem. I dont.What a terrible tragedy.
> > > > That was a terrorist suicide gunman. I have been expecting something like
> > > > psychobabblers and apologists. Makes one wonder how many vultures can perch
> > > > on one limb.
> > > > Army bases tend to frown on soldiers having their own personal owned
> > > > firearms. I have often wondered why.
> > > > Not the same flavor though.
>
> > > while it was going on(or minutes after it ended) the governemnt was
> > > announcing it wasnt terrorist related.
> > > a rightwing radio host up here sez "gee, why would they say that? it
> > > MUST be a muslim" and me a rightwing nut thought he must be paranoid.
>
> > > CBS this morning had a big thing about how being deplyed so long as
> > > they are in iraq causes strees and the nmiliraty needs more head
> > > shrinkers tpo prevent this in the future.
>
> > > maybe 1% of the militarty is muslim, this guy was a known radical.
> > > why the fuck was he allowedd in the servivce?
> > > he was known to have said maybe more us soldiers should be killed.
> > > even i ..again..a rightwing nut ..couldnt imagine you wouldnt be
> > > courtmartialed saying that kinda shit.
> > > thisa guy WAS NEVER DEPLOYED.
> > > HOW COULD HE HAVE COMBAT FATIQUE?\
> > > THIS GUY WAS!!!!!!!!!!! A FUCKING PYYCHIATRIST
>
> > > the media is basicqally blaming bush, they are focusing on what the
> > > terrorist wanted, focusing on the war and seciond hand blaming it for
> > > killing thes epeople.
>
> > > the focus should be muslims.
> > > whay they kill people so much.
> > > why they dont become americanized
> > > how they can be allowed in the servove
>
> > > THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS ON THE SIDE OF THIS CRAZY ENEMOY WHO
> > > INFILTRATED POUR MILITARY AND STRUCK US FROM THE INSIDE.
>
> > > Ther can be no other consclusion.
> > > and how can we beat crazies when we hide ouyr heads in the sand and
> > > pretend the forces againts us arent what they are?
> > > its amazing, someday in 30 years u could right a book kind of a
> > > ctyach22 abaout old white ladies getting called for random checks
> > > getting on jets as arabs walk rioht on becaiuse people would rather
> > > die and let the cpountry fall than be politically imcorrect
>
> > Well if we don't do these insane things, well...IT LEADS TO THE
> > HOLOCAUST
>
> > Trav
>
> ex of what i say
> "after [the Anderson Cooper show] was over, we got a “special edition”
> of Larry King Live hosted by Wolf Blitzer. This one really took the
> panel of — no, not experts on Islamic jihad, but psychiatrists.
> Blitzer endlessly repeated the mantra that Hasan had been “taunted”
> for being Muslim, had feared going to a war zone, and had ultimately
> help when he should have,” lamented one panelist. Another opined: “It
> sounded like it got to be too much for him.” Yet another told us: “All
> kind of people need help who aren’t getting help. … He was feeling
> picked on by his colleagues. … He was strained. He was scared.”"
>
> he is now said to have been yelling "alu akbar" during the attack.
> but he was stressed.
> he was the victim of taunting cause he was a muslim.
> maybe just maybe...
> the taunting of muslims isnt doesnt cause them to kill.
> maybe....maybe they are taunted cause muslims kill people so much.
> just a crzy theory i got.
He's a NOTWHITE guy. So anything he does is the FAULT of White
AngloSaxon Protestants!
This excuse line was first built and propagated for blacks, but then
people noticed that hispanics were brown too, and now they've realized
that muslims are as well. Christianity is to be deprecated in the
face of every other religion. You'll hear nonstop about pedophile
priests but nothing whatsoever about freakin underaged polygamy or
honor killings. That is christianity's fault.
Who the hell hates Christianity so much? I mean, who was all on TV
blasting "Passion of the Christ" and shit? Was it blacks? Muslims?
Trav
Deadrat
2513-4142-921...@e34g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:
>> Fish gotta school. �Jews got a Yeshiva.
>
> Who in the eff crossposted THIS thread too??
Some strange stuff comin' outta rec.m-a.
>> Got bad news for you, Trav. �It *is* a conspiracy. �The Jews all get
>> together after Shabbes services and plot the takeover of the world. �
>> And, guess what? your name is on the agenda for tonight!
>
> No, it's not a conspiracy. I think I just explained that.
I'm tellin' you, Trav. It's worse than you thought. It really *is* a
conspiracy. The banks, the newspapers, the movies -- you don't really
think that's some coincidental, "emergent" phenomenon, do you?
>> You're in trouble now, Trav.
I have a copy of the minutes of the last meeting of the Jews, Trav, and
good news. The vote was against terminating you with extreme prejudice.
The prevailing opinion was that you came across as a complete buffoon,
who could only discredit his own position. It think spelling "Jews" as
"joos" had something to do with it.
Anyway, the vote wasn't even close. You're off the hook.
> Why are you going to insult my intelligence again with your drivel?
Bar's pretty low, dontcha think?
>> Do ya think it might be some shared sense of injustice?
>
> The injustice is an illusion
Don't know much history, do you, Trav?
> and joos have historically been perpetrators as much as victims,
That's right, Trav. All those Jewish crusades and Jewish pogroms.
> as have blacks.
That's right, Trav. Them darkies done enslaved themselfs.
>> What more unbelievable? �That you knew a black girl? �(Hey, Trav. �
>> dontchaknow that blacks don't say "of course"; they say "fa shizzle.")
> �
>> Or that she knew all these Jews who were hittin' on her. �Too funny.
> �
>> Even the figments of your imagination have figments of their own
>> imaginations.
>
> Do you fucking know who Julian Epstein is?
The chief counsel to the minority on the House Judiciary Committee during
the Clinton impeachment? I believe that he exists. But I don't believe
in your imaginary black girl, and if I'm wrong about her existence, I
don't believe she knew Epstein, and if I'm wrong about *that*, I don't
believe he hit on her, and if he did, so what? You don't say when this
imaginary event happened, but back in the day, JE was single.
> The rest of that racist tripe you said, I'll just ignore.
Run away, Brave Sir Robin. As always, your choice. I'll treasure always
the way you confirm your own prejudices -- by a conversation with an
imagingary black woman who had imaginary Jews hitting on her.
Hey, Trav! I once knew a black woman woman who *never* got hit on by
Jews. What does that do to your stereotyping?
>> Yes, indeed. �(Although the SPLC wasn't founded until 1971, some time
>> after the battles for integration.) �By force? Were Schwerner, Chaney,
>> and Goodman (true, only two of them were Jews) running around the
>> south
>> killing innocent segregationists? �Did some cabal of Jews blow up a
>> church in Birmingham in 1963? �Were there gangs of Jews at the Edmund
>> Pettus bridge turning hoses on crowds of innocent members of the
>> Daughters of the Confederacy.
>
> Did I accuse joos of being violent?
Snipped that context again. Here it is:
<quote>
That joos were behind the NAACP and SPLC and fought FOR integration by
force if necessary is inarguable.
</quote>
So what's that mean, Trav? "[B]y force if necessary"? That the NAACP
and the SPLC followed MLK's nonviolent philosophy but only *claimed* to
believe it, while they waited for the moment when they could use force, a
moment that didn't ever come?
C'mon, you little weasel, explain it to me.
>> And here I thought you were a troll. �But, no, you're suffering from
>> Jew-on-the-brain.
>
> Whatever, clown. Ignore reality if you choose to.
Hey, Trav! The voices in your head aren't reality.
>
> Trav
>
djinn
> "travis...@aol.cominyrface" <travis...@aol.com> wrote in news:aed77abd-
> 2513-4142-921b-e5383222f...@e34g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> Fish gotta school. Jews got a Yeshiva.
>
> > Who in the eff crossposted THIS thread too??
>
> Some strange stuff comin' outta rec.m-a.
>
Herbert Cannon
<hal> wrote in message news:4af5eea5...@news.newsguy.com...
Then we will expect you to come down off your mountain and join an NGO so
you can be sent to a very poor country in a third world country immediately
as they desperately need your help.
trav...@aol.com
We already have a village idiot, though, so there isn't any need for
you here.
> I'm tellin' you, Trav. It's worse than you thought. It really *is* a
> conspiracy. The banks, the newspapers, the movies -- you don't really
> think that's some coincidental, "emergent" phenomenon, do you?
Yes, that's exactly what I think and I was patently clear.
> I have a copy of the minutes of the last meeting of the Jews, Trav, and
> good news. The vote was against terminating you with extreme prejudice.
> The prevailing opinion was that you came across as a complete buffoon,
> who could only discredit his own position. It think spelling "Jews" as
> "joos" had something to do with it.
Your pavlovian response is noted
> Bar's pretty low, dontcha think?
Yes, it is and you sail under it. I have very little toleration for
idiots.
> Don't know much history, do you, Trav?
I know substantially more than you do.
> That's right, Trav. All those Jewish crusades and Jewish pogroms.
Next you'll tell me about how they are committing genocide against the
Palestinians....
> That's right, Trav. Them darkies done enslaved themselfs.
Well actually, yeah, that's how it happened. Blacks on the continent,
as well as arabs, built the slave trade.
> The chief counsel to the minority on the House Judiciary Committee during
> the Clinton impeachment? I believe that he exists. But I don't believe
> in your imaginary black girl, and if I'm wrong about her existence, I
> don't believe she knew Epstein, and if I'm wrong about *that*, I don't
> believe he hit on her, and if he did, so what? You don't say when this
> imaginary event happened, but back in the day, JE was single.
Don't really care what you believe. Most of what you believe is
bullshit.
> Run away, Brave Sir Robin. As always, your choice. I'll treasure always
> the way you confirm your own prejudices -- by a conversation with an
> imagingary black woman who had imaginary Jews hitting on her.
You have no evidence upon which to claim that I fabricated it. In
fact, this is your typical stock-in-trade, pretend for example that I
am lying about being a JD, then get assaulted with reality, then claim
it doesn't matter. I am not a liar and I do not have time to proffer
proof to YOUR satisfaction nor are you entitled to it. You are little
more than a troll. You would not accept proof, fact, or anything else
that might refute your stupid assertions.
> Hey, Trav! I once knew a black woman woman who *never* got hit on by
> Jews. What does that do to your stereotyping?
If she was your friend, she was probably highly unattractive,
therefore as irrelevant as you are.
> Snipped that context again. Here it is:
>
> <quote>
> That joos were behind the NAACP and SPLC and fought FOR integration by
> force if necessary is inarguable.
> </quote>
Force is a broader concept than physical but I have no time to explain
this to you.
> So what's that mean, Trav? "[B]y force if necessary"? That the NAACP
> and the SPLC followed MLK's nonviolent philosophy but only *claimed* to
> believe it, while they waited for the moment when they could use force, a
> moment that didn't ever come?
When you sue someone and get a win, you are using force. When the
army comes out to enforce desegregation, that is force.
> C'mon, you little weasel, explain it to me.
Why should I? You won't listen. Your entire mindset is like that of
a dog who has been conditioned to salivate at a bell. One cannot
mention the unanimity of a particular ethnicity for example on the
FOMC without someone like you coming and CLAIMING however erroneously
that the person discussing it must be an anti-semite or suggesting
some kind of sinister conspiracy.
There's really no point in discussing anything with an idiot like you
because you are incapable of having a reasonable discussion on FACTS.
Your life experience reflects a paucity of real knowledge and a
heaping bushel full of complete nonsense. Maybe someday you will wake
the fuck up, but in the meantime you seem to be happily digesting and
internalizing patently antiwhite propaganda and making excuses for
groups for which there is none.
> Hey, Trav! The voices in your head aren't reality.
But the voices in your head are?
You're a trolling clown, just STFU and go away. If you want to have a
rational discussion without demagoguery and mischaracterization of
everything your opponent says, then fine. Otherwise, fuck off.
Trav
Deadrat
news:9dfc4218-3b84-4b37...@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
<snip/>
>> I'm tellin' you, Trav. �It's worse than you thought. �It really *is*
>> a
>> conspiracy. �The banks, the newspapers, the movies -- you don't
>> really
> �
>> think that's some coincidental, "emergent" phenomenon, do you?
>
> Yes, that's exactly what I think and I was patently clear.
Those "joos" have got you fooled! Open your eyes!
>
>> I have a copy of the minutes of the last meeting of the Jews, Trav,
>> and good news. �The vote was against terminating you with extreme
>> prejudice
> . �
>> The prevailing opinion was that you came across as a complete
>> buffoon, who could only discredit his own position. �It think
>> spelling "Jews" as "joos" had something to do with it.
>
> Your pavlovian response is noted
Trav, Trav. This isn't *my* response. I'm must reporting what happened
at the last Plenary Meeting of the Jews.
>
>> Bar's pretty low, dontcha think?
>
> Yes, it is and you sail under it. I have very little toleration for
> idiots.
Or tolerance in general. So why doesn't your head just explode?
>
>> Don't know much history, do you, Trav?
>
> I know substantially more than you do.
Do the victory dance! You know what that means.
>
>> That's right, Trav. �All those Jewish crusades and Jewish pogroms.
>
> Next you'll tell me about how they are committing genocide against the
> Palestinians....
There are more Palestinians now than there have ever been, so it's hardly
genocide.
>> That's right, Trav. �Them darkies done enslaved themselfs.
>
> Well actually, yeah, that's how it happened. Blacks on the continent,
> as well as arabs, built the slave trade.
As a I said, nothin' to do with white people. They were as surprised as
anyone when Africans showed up in the slave markets.
>
>> The chief counsel to the minority on the House Judiciary Committee
>> during the Clinton impeachment? �I believe that he exists. �But I
>> don't believe
>> in your imaginary black girl, and if I'm wrong about her existence, I
>> don't believe she knew Epstein, and if I'm wrong about *that*, I
>> don't believe he hit on her, and if he did, so what? �You don't say
>> when this imaginary event happened, but back in the day, JE was
>> single.
>
> Don't really care what you believe. Most of what you believe is
> bullshit.
Hey, Trav. I'm not the one making up stories about black girls who make
up stories about Jews hitting on them. And then drawing sociological
implications.
>> Run away, Brave Sir Robin. �As always, your choice. �I'll treasure al
>> ways
>> the way you confirm your own prejudices -- by a conversation with an
>> imagingary black woman who had imaginary Jews hitting on her.
>
> You have no evidence upon which to claim that I fabricated it.
And you, the one making the claim and carrying the burden of proof, have
no evidence that it ever happened.
> In
> fact, this is your typical stock-in-trade, pretend for example that I
> am lying about being a JD, then get assaulted with reality, then claim
> it doesn't matter.
I'm calling bullshit on the black-girl-getting-hit-on-by-Jews story.
I'm not the one claiming you're lying about the JD. I'm officially
agnostic on that one. I am the one pointing out that it doesn't matter.
> I am not a liar and I do not have time to proffer
> proof to YOUR satisfaction nor are you entitled to it.
It's impossible to prove whether you're a liar, and no proffer of proof
about personal (and necesasrily irrelevant matters) on a newsgroup would
satisfy any thinking person. But I'm calling bullshit on the black-girl-
getting-hit-on-by-Jews story.
> You are little more than a troll.
In spite of what you apprently think, a troll is not someone you are
powerless to argue against successfully. A troll is someone who tries to
inflame a discussion by posting nonsense he doesn't believe just to watch
the response. I post things you can check. Go ahead, check what I
posted about US Attorneys. I'll wait.
I thought you were a troll, but it looks like you're just suffering from
Joo Fever. These conditions can be hard to tell apart, so I'm
withdrawing my claim about your trollery.
> You would not accept proof, fact, or anything else
> that might refute your stupid assertions.
Very close. I do not accept as evidence anecdotal assertions.
>
>> Hey, Trav! �I once knew a black woman woman who *never* got hit on by
>> Jews. �What does that do to your stereotyping?
>
> If she was your friend, she was probably highly unattractive,
> therefore as irrelevant as you are.
You think relevance and looks are related? Interesting.
But why isn't my friend as relevant as yours?
>
>> Snipped that context again. �Here it is:
>>
>> <quote>
>> That joos were behind the NAACP and SPLC and fought FOR integration
>> by force if necessary is inarguable.
>> </quote>
>
> Force is a broader concept than physical but I have no time to explain
> this to you.
You mean you have no capability of explaining. Or are you seriously
claiming that you meant that the NAACP used the force of logic or the
moral force of claiming equality before the law?
>
>> So what's that mean, Trav? �"[B]y force if necessary"? �That the NAAC
> P
>> and the SPLC followed MLK's nonviolent philosophy but only *claimed*
>> to believe it, while they waited for the moment when they could use
>> force, a moment that didn't ever come?
>
> When you sue someone and get a win, you are using force. When the
> army comes out to enforce desegregation, that is force.
>
>> C'mon, you little weasel, explain it to me.
>
> Why should I? You won't listen.
Run away, Brave Sir Robin. It's always your choice. But you can't
weasel out of the "by force" comment by blaming my mindset.
> Your entire mindset is like that of
> a dog who has been conditioned to salivate at a bell. One cannot
> mention the unanimity of a particular ethnicity for example on the
> FOMC without someone like you coming and CLAIMING however erroneously
> that the person discussing it must be an anti-semite or suggesting
> some kind of sinister conspiracy.
You are an antisemite, but not for claiming "unanimity of ethnicity."
And I think you know that.
And it *is* a conspiracy, Trav. Make no mistake about it. How can it be
otherwise when all Jews get together every week to plot the takeover of
the world? I'm telling you that I've got the minutes of the damn
meetings.
> There's really no point in discussing anything with an idiot like you
> because you are incapable of having a reasonable discussion on FACTS.
I quote you events from the time of the WPE. I quote you votes on
legislative acts. I explain how things work in the US Attorneys office.
These are all facts. Feel free to check them.
You're gonna have to take my word for it on the Jew meetings.
> Your life experience reflects a paucity of real knowledge and a
> heaping bushel full of complete nonsense.
You have no idea about my life experience or what it reflects. Why not
just concentrate on the factual things I've told you?
> Maybe someday you will wake
> the fuck up, but in the meantime you seem to be happily digesting and
> internalizing patently antiwhite propaganda and making excuses for
> groups for which there is none.
Again, you have no idea what I've internalized and what I've
externalized.
>
>> Hey, Trav! �The voices in your head aren't reality.
>
> But the voices in your head are?
I'm not hearing voices, Trav. I'm not the one suffering from Jew Fever.
>
> You're a trolling clown, just STFU and go away. If you want to have a
> rational discussion without demagoguery and mischaracterization of
> everything your opponent says, then fine.
And I'd like you to stop making up stuff about a black girl you
supposedly knew and then drawing broad conclusions from what she
supposedly said. I'd like you to learn a little bit about things like
the US Attorneys Office. I'd like you to stop speculating on what I am
and how I got to be the way I am. I'd like you to stop thinking that
credentials mean squat.
What are the chances of anything like that happening?
People in hell want ice water, too.
> Otherwise, fuck off.
Now that would have hurt my feelings. If I had any.
>
> Trav
>
Jerry B. Altzman
> "trav...@aol.cominyrface" <trav...@aol.com> wrote in news:aed77abd-
> 2513-4142-921...@e34g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:
> I have a copy of the minutes of the last meeting of the Jews, Trav, and
> good news. The vote was against terminating you with extreme prejudice.
> The prevailing opinion was that you came across as a complete buffoon,
> who could only discredit his own position. It think spelling "Jews" as
> "joos" had something to do with it.
(Gawd, I haven't posted on s.c.j since 1993 or something.)
Speaking on behalf of the cabal, you're full of it, Mr. Rat.
//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman jba...@altzman.com www.jbaltz.com
thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe.
trav...@aol.com
What are you, some kind of a kook?
> Trav, Trav. This isn't *my* response. I'm must reporting what happened
> at the last Plenary Meeting of the Jews.
You're a nutjob.
> Or tolerance in general. So why doesn't your head just explode?
Why would it?
> Do the victory dance! You know what that means.
Huh? It was just a simple observation.
> There are more Palestinians now than there have ever been, so it's hardly
> genocide.
Read the old testament then. Or study the history of fractional
banking by goldsmiths. Jeezus, learn something so you're not so
ignorant for the rest of your life.
> As a I said, nothin' to do with white people. They were as surprised as
> anyone when Africans showed up in the slave markets.
They were buyers. They didn't start the slave trade, which was
occuring for 1000 years before whitey showed up on the continent.
Again, learn some history, ignoramus.
Blacks, whites, chinese, arabs...all participated in the purchase of
black slaves. So there is no entitlement by blacks to feel that
injustice has been perpetrated by *white* people per se. Their own
kind perpetrated and STILL perpetrates this injustice upon them.
> Hey, Trav. I'm not the one making up stories about black girls who make
> up stories about Jews hitting on them. And then drawing sociological
> implications.
I'm not making up stories either. And it was merely a case in point,
one data point among many, idiot. Do you honestly think I'd draw a
conclusion from ONE fucking example? It was an ILLUSTRATION of the
point, you moron. Good lord, you're worthless.
> And you, the one making the claim and carrying the burden of proof, have
> no evidence that it ever happened.
Of course I do. My own testimony, which stands unrebutted.
> I'm calling bullshit on the black-girl-getting-hit-on-by-Jews story.
That's not my problem, now is it? You are entitled to be wrong. I'm
not going to stop you.
> I'm not the one claiming you're lying about the JD. I'm officially
> agnostic on that one. I am the one pointing out that it doesn't matter.
You fuckin liar.
> It's impossible to prove whether you're a liar, and no proffer of proof
> about personal (and necesasrily irrelevant matters) on a newsgroup would
> satisfy any thinking person. But I'm calling bullshit on the black-girl-
> getting-hit-on-by-Jews story.
I DON'T CARE, ok? If you're unaware of the phenomenon then that means
nothing more than that YOU are ignorant! It's not MY problem, is it?
> In spite of what you apprently think, a troll is not someone you are
> powerless to argue against successfully. A troll is someone who tries to
> inflame a discussion by posting nonsense he doesn't believe just to watch
> the response. I post things you can check. Go ahead, check what I
> posted about US Attorneys. I'll wait.
Do you think I give a fuck what you posted about US Attorneys? I
couldn't be less interested in reading more of the low quality tripe
you infest usenet with, dude.
> I thought you were a troll, but it looks like you're just suffering from
> Joo Fever. These conditions can be hard to tell apart, so I'm
> withdrawing my claim about your trollery.
Not one thing I have said about joos is indicative of irrationality.
Not one thing. Your pavlovian response to it is what is irrational.
> Very close. I do not accept as evidence anecdotal assertions.
You don't accept ANYTHING!
You're a fucking democrap partisan cheerleader! How much MORE stupid
could somebody get than to be that? Your mere affiliation with that
political party exposes you as a complete IDIOT. I have no respect
whatsoever for anything you believe, claim, or say on account of
that. Your intellect is meager.
> You think relevance and looks are related? Interesting.
>
> But why isn't my friend as relevant as yours?
I think that you are irrelevant and a liar. If you cared to
investigate what I am saying, rather than kneejerk, you'd find that I
am correct.
> You mean you have no capability of explaining. Or are you seriously
> claiming that you meant that the NAACP used the force of logic or the
> moral force of claiming equality before the law?
No, I'm claiming they used the force of law, economic extortion, and a
host of other means to force desegregation onto those who did not want
it.
> You are an antisemite, but not for claiming "unanimity of ethnicity."
> And I think you know that.
What SPECIFICALLY have I said that is antisemitic? I mean, this is
just ridiculously absurd.
You are fucking PATHETIC. Another "your a racist" epithet? Get the
fuck out of here.
> And it *is* a conspiracy, Trav. Make no mistake about it. How can it be
> otherwise when all Jews get together every week to plot the takeover of
> the world? I'm telling you that I've got the minutes of the damn
> meetings.
I'm telling you you are a fucking KOOK and a NUTBALL if you claim
that.
> I quote you events from the time of the WPE. I quote you votes on
> legislative acts. I explain how things work in the US Attorneys office.
> These are all facts. Feel free to check them.
"WPE" alone exposes you as a irredeemable partisan. There's no POINT
in having a discussion with a partisan clown cheerleader like you...on
ANYTHING.
Your narrow mindset will not ALLOW you to have ANY discussion on
race. If I say blacks commit 54% of the homicides in the US, you will
first deny its truth, then when pointed to fact, will fucking say it
doesn't matter, start making excuses for it, claim "racism" and
ultimately blame WHITE PEOPLE for it.
It's a playbook that is intellectually BANKRUPT. You cannot DEAL with
facts. If someone points out the preponderance of joos in finance,
media, marxism, "civil rights," you will do the SAME TYPE of
shit...always BLAME WHITE PEOPLE.
Are you white? is it YOUR fault? You're a fucking TOOL, dude. Free
your goddamned mind for fuck's sake.
> You have no idea about my life experience or what it reflects. Why not
> just concentrate on the factual things I've told you?
Anybody who ACTUALLY thinks Busch was the WPE is a fool and factually
wrong. Just like those who think he was the best ever.
> Again, you have no idea what I've internalized and what I've
> externalized.
It drips off of your writing just as surely as my jizz dripping off
your mom's chin.
> I'm not hearing voices, Trav. I'm not the one suffering from Jew Fever.
I'm not either and I have absolutely no fucking clue what that means
or what you think it means. Joo fever? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
> And I'd like you to stop making up stuff about a black girl you
> supposedly knew and then drawing broad conclusions from what she
> supposedly said. I'd like you to learn a little bit about things like
Who in the FUCK ever said that I DREW a conclusion from what SHE
said? I already KNEW what she was going to say, DIPSHIT. I'm not the
only one on the planet aware of certain politically INCORRECT facts!
I don't constrain myself by your mentally dissonant and intellectually
bankrupt ideologies.
> the US Attorneys Office. I'd like you to stop speculating on what I am
> and how I got to be the way I am. I'd like you to stop thinking that
> credentials mean squat.
I think YOU are squat. My credentials mean that I know FAR more about
the law than YOU do and you should STFU and listen to me instead of
spouting your obstructionist BULLSHIT which essentially...why the
fuck do you even BOTHER? You're a fucking partisan cheerleader for
fuck's sake; you're only embarrassing yourself by even trying to HAVE
a substantive argument. Just fucking say WPE and chant Change We Need
to Hope for or Change we can Suspend Disbelief In or what the fuck
ever his bullshit, empty, recycled slogans were.
> Now that would have hurt my feelings. If I had any.
I guess this means that I cannot insult your intelligence either.
Trav
Deadrat
news:e9fdbfa6-398f-4025...@r31g2000vbi.googlegroups.com:
>> Those "joos" have got you fooled! �Open your eyes!
>
> What are you, some kind of a kook?
>
>> Trav, Trav. �This isn't *my* response. �I'm must reporting what
>> happened at the last Plenary Meeting of the Jews.
>
> You're a nutjob.
Just trying to help.
>
>> Or tolerance in general. �So why doesn't your head just explode?
>
> Why would it?
Hint: it was a rhetorical question.
>
>> Do the victory dance! �You know what that means.
>
> Huh? It was just a simple observation.
Dance, dance, dance.
>
>> There are more Palestinians now than there have ever been, so it's
>> hardly genocide.
>
> Read the old testament then.
The Old Testament is not a history book. And in any case there are no
Palestinians in it. At least, not in the modern sense of the word.
> Or study the history of fractional
> banking by goldsmiths. Jeezus, learn something so you're not so
> ignorant for the rest of your life.
As irony meters explode everywhere.
>
>> As a I said, nothin' to do with white people. �They were as surprised
>> as
>> anyone when Africans showed up in the slave markets.
>
> They were buyers. They didn't start the slave trade, which was
> occuring for 1000 years before whitey showed up on the continent.
> Again, learn some history, ignoramus.
No one says they started the slave trade.
>
> Blacks, whites, chinese, arabs...all participated in the purchase of
> black slaves. So there is no entitlement by blacks to feel that
> injustice has been perpetrated by *white* people per se. Their own
> kind perpetrated and STILL perpetrates this injustice upon them.
Still and nevertheless, chattel slavery in the US was almost entirely a
white institution to exploit black labor.
>> Hey, Trav. �I'm not the one making up stories about black girls who
>> make
>> up stories about Jews hitting on them. �And then drawing sociological
>> implications.
>
> I'm not making up stories either.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
> And it was merely a case in point, one data point among many, idiot.
You've got more stories of imaginary black people? You've got a fertile
imagaination.
> Do you honestly think I'd draw a
> conclusion from ONE fucking example?
Oh, but you did, Trav. Here's your own words:
<quote>
Apparently, jewish men chase after her like nuts...so much so that the
stereotype is well, accurate.
</quote>
> It was an ILLUSTRATION of the point, you moron.
What point is that, Trav? What about my story about the black woman I
knew?
> Good lord, you're worthless.
Could be, but beside the point.
>> And you, the one making the claim and carrying the burden of proof,
>> have no evidence that it ever happened.
>
> Of course I do. My own testimony, which stands unrebutted.
I've rebutted it. It's a fantasy.
>
>> I'm calling bullshit on the black-girl-getting-hit-on-by-Jews story.
>
> That's not my problem, now is it?
You've got bigger problems that that, Trav. You've got Jew Fever.
> You are entitled to be wrong. I'm not going to stop you.
>
>> I'm not the one claiming you're lying about the JD. �I'm officially
>> agnostic on that one. �I am the one pointing out that it doesn't
>> matter.
>
> You fuckin liar.
No, really. You're thinking of Iarnrod. I've just said that it's easy to
play a lawyer in cyberspace.
>> It's impossible to prove whether you're a liar, and no proffer of
>> proof about personal (and necesasrily irrelevant matters) on a
>> newsgroup would satisfy any thinking person. �But I'm calling
>> bullshit on the black-girl-getting-hit-on-by-Jews story.
>
> I DON'T CARE, ok? If you're unaware of the phenomenon then that means
> nothing more than that YOU are ignorant! It's not MY problem, is it?
Oh, c'mon, Trav. You care.
>> In spite of what you apprently think, a troll is not someone you are
>> powerless to argue against successfully. �A troll is someone who
>> tries to
>> inflame a discussion by posting nonsense he doesn't believe just to
>> watch the response. �I post things you can check. �Go ahead, check
>> what I posted about US Attorneys. �I'll wait.
>
> Do you think I give a fuck what you posted about US Attorneys? I
> couldn't be less interested in reading more of the low quality tripe
> you infest usenet with, dude.
Your evasion is noted. But, see you could actually check to find out
whether I'm right about US Attorneys. But your black-girl-getting-hit-on-
by-Jews story? Not so much.
>> I thought you were a troll, but it looks like you're just suffering
>> from Joo Fever. �These conditions can be hard to tell apart, so I'm
>> withdrawing my claim about your trollery.
>
> Not one thing I have said about joos is indicative of irrationality.
Oh, Trav, get help. Jew Fever will ruin your life. From your black-girl-
getting-hit-on-by-Jews story, to your refusal to spell Jews properly, to
your claims of Jewish genocide, to your silly "emergent behavior" theory --
it's all nuts.
> Not one thing. Your pavlovian response to it is what is irrational.
>
>> Very close. �I do not accept as evidence anecdotal assertions.
>
> You don't accept ANYTHING!
I'll accept evidence that I can check. Your JD? Can't check it. Your
black-girl-getting-hit-on-by-Jews story? Can't check it.
> You're a fucking democrap partisan cheerleader! How much MORE stupid
> could somebody get than to be that? Your mere affiliation with that
> political party exposes you as a complete IDIOT. I have no respect
> whatsoever for anything you believe, claim, or say on account of
> that. Your intellect is meager.
Calm down, trav. You're gonna blow a gasket.
>> You think relevance and looks are related? �Interesting.
>>
>> But why isn't my friend as relevant as yours?
>
> I think that you are irrelevant and a liar. If you cared to
> investigate what I am saying, rather than kneejerk, you'd find that I
> am correct.
Now how am I gonna do that? I don't know who's really posting; I don't
knew if you have a JD. I don't know whether your black-girl-getting-hit-
on-by-Jews story is true. (No, I'm sure that one is just bullshit.)
Try giving me something I can check out. Genocide against the
Palestinians? All I have to do is check UN population figures to know
that's a lie.
>
>> You mean you have no capability of explaining. �Or are you seriously
>> claiming that you meant that the NAACP used the force of logic or the
>> moral force of claiming equality before the law?
>
> No, I'm claiming they used the force of law, economic extortion, and a
> host of other means to force desegregation onto those who did not want
> it.
Oh, no! They used, *sob*, force of law! How dare they?
Economic extortion? Like in Birmingham, when black riders simply refused
to ride segregated buses? You got a problem with that?
Seems you've got a problem with public accommodation laws, too.
Sucks to be you, doesn't it?
>
>> You are an antisemite, but not for claiming "unanimity of ethnicity."
>> � And I think you know that.
>
> What SPECIFICALLY have I said that is antisemitic? I mean, this is
> just ridiculously absurd.
Let's start out with "Joos." If you can't even have the courtesy to call
someone by the name they prefer, then I'm gonna call animus on you.
How about negative stereotyping?
How about absurd claims of collectivist action via non-existent "emergent"
group behavior?
How about blood libel? Like killing all the Palestinians? Because that's
what genocide means.
>
> You are fucking PATHETIC. Another "your a racist" epithet? Get the
> fuck out of here.
Shoe. Fits. Wear it.
>> And it *is* a conspiracy, Trav. �Make no mistake about it. �How can i
> t be
>> otherwise when all Jews get together every week to plot the takeover
>> of the world? �I'm telling you that I've got the minutes of the damn
>> meetings.
>
> I'm telling you you are a fucking KOOK and a NUTBALL if you claim
> that.
But it's true. I've got the meeting notes. You're just lucky they think
you're an ignorable buffoon.
>> I quote you events from the time of the WPE. �I quote you votes on
>> legislative acts. �I explain how things work in the US Attorneys
>> office
> . �
>> These are all facts. �Feel free to check them.
>
> "WPE" alone exposes you as a irredeemable partisan. There's no POINT
> in having a discussion with a partisan clown cheerleader like you...on
> ANYTHING.
I may be a partisan, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. C'mon. Check it
out. Stopped clock and all that.
>
> Your narrow mindset will not ALLOW you to have ANY discussion on
> race. If I say blacks commit 54% of the homicides in the US, you will
> first deny its truth,
No, it's true.
> then when pointed to fact, will fucking say it
> doesn't matter, start making excuses for it, claim "racism" and
> ultimately blame WHITE PEOPLE for it.
You blaming skin color, Trav?
> It's a playbook that is intellectually BANKRUPT. You cannot DEAL with
> facts. If someone points out the preponderance of joos in finance,
> media, marxism, "civil rights," you will do the SAME TYPE of
> shit...always BLAME WHITE PEOPLE.
There aren't any marxists left, except in academia perhaps. And there are
lots of Jews in finance, civil rights, and the movie industry. Also on the
list of Nobel Laureates.
Tell me your conclusion, and I'll tell you whether you're a racist.
>
> Are you white?
How could you know if I told you.
> is it YOUR fault? You're a fucking TOOL, dude. Free
> your goddamned mind for fuck's sake.
>
>> You have no idea about my life experience or what it reflects. �Why
>> not just concentrate on the factual things I've told you?
>
> Anybody who ACTUALLY thinks Busch was the WPE is a fool and factually
> wrong.
I've given you a list. You can't refute one item.
> Just like those who think he was the best ever.
>
>> Again, you have no idea what I've internalized and what I've
>> externalized.
>
> It drips off of your writing just as surely as my jizz dripping off
> your mom's chin.
Get help, Trav.
>> I'm not hearing voices, Trav. �I'm not the one suffering from Jew
>> Fever
> .
> I'm not either and I have absolutely no fucking clue what that means
> or what you think it means. Joo fever? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It means an unhealthy obsession with Jews as a group and their alleged
influence.
>
>> And I'd like you to stop making up stuff about a black girl you
>> supposedly knew and then drawing broad conclusions from what she
>> supposedly said. �I'd like you to learn a little bit about things
>> like
>
> Who in the FUCK ever said that I DREW a conclusion from what SHE
> said?
You did, Trav. I reposted what you snipped.
> I already KNEW what she was going to say, DIPSHIT. I'm not the
> only one on the planet aware of certain politically INCORRECT facts!
> I don't constrain myself by your mentally dissonant and intellectually
> bankrupt ideologies.
Yeah, my "intellectually bankrupt ideology" of actually demanding evidence
to back up claims.
>> the US Attorneys Office. �I'd like you to stop speculating on what I
>> am and how I got to be the way I am. �I'd like you to stop thinking
>> that credentials mean squat.
>
> I think YOU are squat. My credentials mean that I know FAR more about
> the law than YOU do and you should STFU and listen to me instead of
> spouting your obstructionist BULLSHIT which essentially...why the
> fuck do you even BOTHER? You're a fucking partisan cheerleader for
> fuck's sake; you're only embarrassing yourself by even trying to HAVE
> a substantive argument. Just fucking say WPE and chant Change We Need
> to Hope for or Change we can Suspend Disbelief In or what the fuck
> ever his bullshit, empty, recycled slogans were.
Calm down, Trav. You'll burst a blood vessel.
>> Now that would have hurt my feelings. �If I had any.
>
> I guess this means that I cannot insult your intelligence either.
Well, no. But for a different reason.
>
> Trav
>
Mark Goldberg
> Yes. Proselytizing in your place of work will get you trouble in a
> hurry.
> More importantly, this guy is a psychiatrist - he shouldn't be pushing
> religion on his patients.
You mean.... more importantly, he shouldn't be setting up 'infidels' to
shoot them all in the back. But thankfully, the tens of thousands of
marching muslims denouncing his act and the theology and the long
history of those same actions of his all over the world is heartwarming.....
Oh wait.... they don't do that
Deadrat
news:6b2dndZOLsf...@giganews.com:
> on 11/8/2009 1:17 AM Deadrat said the following:
>> "trav...@aol.cominyrface" <trav...@aol.com> wrote in
>> news:aed77abd-
>> 2513-4142-921...@e34g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:
>>>> You're in trouble now, Trav.
>> I have a copy of the minutes of the last meeting of the Jews, Trav,
>> and good news. The vote was against terminating you with extreme
>> prejudice. The prevailing opinion was that you came across as a
>> complete buffoon, who could only discredit his own position. It
>> think spelling "Jews" as "joos" had something to do with it.
>
> (Gawd, I haven't posted on s.c.j since 1993 or something.)
> Speaking on behalf of the cabal, you're full of it, Mr. Rat.
>
> //jbaltz
I'm not entirely sure what to make of this. It doesn't seem clever enough
to be a continuation in the same vein. But then it hardly seems likely
that anyone with half a brain would take me seriously.
I'll tell you what. Hop on over to misc.legal, read more of the thread in
which I have a conversation with Ol' Trav. If you still think I'm "full of
it," let me know.
I usually restrict my disapproving comments to the ignorance of my
correspondent. But in that case, I'm willing to call you stupid.
Deal?
Greendistantstar
I wouldn't call Jerry 'stupid'.
OTOH, he's married, has kids and does karate.....
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Deadrat
news:FNednQE7rNRrF2rX...@westnet.com.au:
I haven't. Yet.
>
> OTOH,
Is what follows really an "other hand"?
> he's married, has kids and does karate.....
So what are you suggesting he's gonna do if I call him stupid? Pack the
wife and kids in his car, come over, and karate chop me to death?
> GDS
Jerry B. Altzman
> I wouldn't call Jerry 'stupid'.
> OTOH, he's married, has kids and does karate.....
In other words, you WOULD.
Thanks for the backup there, Peter. Sheesh.
> GDS
Greendistantstar
I don't think you will.
>> OTOH,
>
> Is what follows really an "other hand"?
Perhaps not....
>> he's married, has kids and does karate.....
>
> So what are you suggesting he's gonna do if I call him stupid? Pack the
> wife and kids in his car, come over, and karate chop me to death?
Nope, and I know the answer cos he's threatened me with it, too.
He'll pack the wife and kids in the car and leave them with you.
Oy vey, there are some fates worse than being karate chopped to death!
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Deadrat
news:IoadncdZY-AQDWrX...@westnet.com.au:
Hey, Jer! What I meant was that I would never *ever* call you stupid.
Now please put the car keys back in your pocket.
>
> GDS
>
> "Let's roll!"
>
Greendistantstar
> on 11/8/2009 9:22 PM Greendistantstar said the following:
>> I wouldn't call Jerry 'stupid'.
>> OTOH, he's married, has kids and does karate.....
>
> In other words, you WOULD.
>
> Thanks for the backup there, Peter. Sheesh.
Makes ya wonder WTF is wrong with polygamists.
IS ONE WHINING WIFE NOT ENOUGH FOR THEM????
Ok, so I've had a tough morning...
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Sam the Bam
> Dunno why...nobody jewish has an answer for the fascination with
> social engineering in favor of blacks and browns. I get the hatred of
> whites, this is ancient shit and there've been many, many conflicts
> over the centuries, usually in the whites' favor because we outnumber
> them. Periodically, white societies tend to expel them en masse.
>
> The media's narrative of this of course is the awful white man with
> the innocent noble peaceful joo. But, spare me that bullshit, because
> it's the same thing with the Sioux who slaughtered all the Crow, and
> blacks, and hispanics, and EVERYbody. Same narrative with the
> muslims. It's all WHITEY's fault, everyfuckinthing is. Marxists
> obviously hate western society; even Marky would agree to this.
> Every adversary of the white man has been transmogriphied by
> the media propaganda into a
> noble, peaceloving, innocent *victim* of the white man.
>
I dunno, Trav, I just saw a survey, where only
40% of white folks only believe in evolution...
is that a race worth saving?
Sam
Mark Goldberg
> "trav...@aol.cominyrface"<trav...@aol.com> wrote in news:aed77abd-
> 2513-4142-921...@e34g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:
>
> Snipped that context again. Here it is:
>
> <quote>
> That joos were behind the NAACP and SPLC and fought FOR integration by
> force if necessary is inarguable.
> </quote>
>
> So what's that mean, Trav? "[B]y force if necessary"? That the NAACP
> and the SPLC followed MLK's nonviolent philosophy but only *claimed* to
> believe it, while they waited for the moment when they could use force, a
> moment that didn't ever come?
>
> C'mon, you little weasel, explain it to me.
>
>>> And here I thought you were a troll. But, no, you're suffering from
>>> Jew-on-the-brain.
>>
>> Whatever, clown. Ignore reality if you choose to.
>
> Hey, Trav! The voices in your head aren't reality.
You might want to enjoy reading his claims of the history of the
anglo-saxon ethics and morality that were corrupted by the jews.
I think it was about may 1st or so on RMA. It was ridiculous, self
invented faux history from the neurotic tribe of himself to justify
himself. And his idiotic pretentions.
Mark Goldberg
>> .....he was the victim of taunting cause he was a muslim.
>> maybe just maybe...
>> the taunting of muslims isnt doesnt cause them to kill.
>> maybe....maybe they are taunted cause muslims kill people so much.
>> just a crzy theory i got.
>
> Here's some further evidence....A Muslim psychiatrist in the audience reportedly challenged him
> about his interpretation of the Quran, but he would not back down
> (because he was right). Another version of the story I heard quoted a
> source as saying that several in the audience suggested afterward that
> Hasan might be a shooter someday.
And further:
Army shooter's mosque run by Muslim Mafia
Islamic center preaches violent jihad, Shariah law
Posted: November 09, 2009
12:53 am Eastern
� 2009 WorldNetDaily
Nidal Malik Hasan in 2003
The suspected Fort Hood terrorist's former mosque in Maryland is
controlled by the radical Muslim Brotherhood, a Saudi-funded worldwide
jihadist movement which controls many of the mosques in America.
Conventional wisdom holds that Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan
"self-radicalized" without any help from the Muslim establishment before
allegedly shooting 46 fellow soldiers and security guards, and murdering
13 of them at the sprawling Texas base.
Witnesses say the devout Muslim officer jumped up on a desk and shouted,
"Allahu akbar!" � Allah is greatest � before opening fire and spraying
more than 100 bullets inside a crowded building where troops prepared to
deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq.
However, WND has learned that the Maryland mosque where Hasan worshiped
before his transfer to Fort Hood preaches violent jihad and a harsh
Saudi-style Islamic doctrine that denies women the right to individual
expression.
Get "Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That's Conspiring to
Islamize America," autographed, from WND's Superstore.
Imam Faizul Khan ministered to Hasan when he worshiped at the Muslim
Community Center in Silver Spring, Md. Khan has been portrayed in the
media as a moderate, but he sits on the national board of directors of
the radical Islamic Society of North America, or ISNA.
Federal prosecutors recently named ISNA as an unindicted terrorist
co-conspirator in the largest terror finance case in U.S. history. ISNA,
they say, is a front group for the Muslim Brotherhood, parent of Hamas
and al-Qaida.
"ISNA has a long and disgraceful record of promoting radical Islam,"
says Islamic scholar and author Stephen Schwartz, a practicing Sufi Muslim.
The Brotherhood, which supports violent jihad and Islamic rule, is the
subject of the bestselling new book, "Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret
Underworld That's Conspiring to Islamize America."
Khan recently was replaced as head prayer leader by Mohamed Abdullahi
Sheikh Mohamed, who also knew Hasan. "He was not violent; he seemed
calm," Mohamed said of the suspected terrorist. "I was shocked."
He added: "Islam is not responsible."
Mohamed studied Islam at the Muslim Brotherhood�controlled Al-Azhar
University in Cairo, Egypt, world headquarters of the dangerous
Brotherhood. He also holds a degree in Shariah law from the National
Somali University in Mogadishu, Somalia.
The Muslim Community Center has held fundraisers for Chechen jihadists,
and promotes on its website a Shariah-based financial product offered by
a Muslim Brotherhood front group under federal investigation.
The mosque distributes a pamphlet on Islam that says "it is permissible
to fight" in jihad "warfare."
....Before attending Muslim Community Center, Hasan worshiped with his
mother at the ultra-radical Dar al-Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls
Church, Va. While there in 2001, he worshiped alongside some of the
hijackers who attacked the Pentagon on 9/11.
He reportedly came under the spell of the mosque's imam Anwar al-Awlaki,
who ministered privately to the hijackers.
Witnesses at Fort Hood say Hasan's eyes "lit up" when discussing
al-Awlaki's teachings, which include graphic descriptions of carnal
pleasures and rewards in paradise awaiting jihadi martyrs who fight
infidels in the cause of Allah. Hasan, 39, was unmarried.
U.S. intelligence now believes the American-born al-Awlaki, who after
9/11 fled to Yemen, is one of al-Qaida's top spiritual advisers and
recruiters.
The Senate, led by Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., plans to investigate how
the Army missed numerous warning signs about Hasan's radical views.
"The murders of these 13 people was a terrorist act and, in fact, it was
the most destructive terrorist act to be committed on American soil
since 9/11," remarked Lieberman, who heads the Senate's Homeland
Security and Government Affairs Committee.
----------
And how is our gov. handling this Jihad of Islam?
Subject: Napolitano's terrorist radar screen
Homeland chief warns against anti-Muslim backlash
(AP) � 14 hours ago
ABU DHABI, United Arab Emirates � The U.S. Homeland Security secretary
says she is working to prevent a possible wave of anti-Muslim sentiment
after the shootings at Fort Hood in Texas.
Janet Napolitano says her agency is working with groups across the
United States to try to deflect any backlash against American Muslims
following Thursday's rampage by Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a Muslim
who reportedly expressed growing dismay over the wars in Iraq and
Afghanistan.
The shootings left 13 people dead and 29 wounded.
Napolitano was in the United Arab Emirates on Sunday for talks with
security officials and a meeting with women university students in Abu
Dhabi.
Copyright � 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
------------------------------
November 08, 2009
Napolitano's terrorist radar screen
Joseph Finlay
What kind of behavior and characteristics trigger scrutiny from The
Department of Homeland Security and its head, Janet Napolitano? It seems
that Major Hasan's behavior raised no official eyebrows despite his
outspoken views and possible links to radical extremism. In a world of
political correctness and irrational fear of even the appearance of
profiling, did concern for not offending Hasan's Muslim faith trump the
numerous red flags that are littered in his deadly wake?
Despite subsequent apologies and denials to the contrary, The Dept of
Homeland Security led by Janet Napolitano profiled conservative
Americans as potential domestic terrorists:
"This was an assessment, not an accusation," Napolitano continued. "It
was limited to extremists those who seek to commit violence within the
United States. And all this was meant to do was to give law enforcement
what we call 'situational awareness.'"
"The last thing I want to do is offend or castigate all veterans. To the
contrary, let's meet and clear the air," she said.
A footnote in the report, "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and
Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment,"
said that while there is no specific information that domestic
right-wing terrorists are planning acts of violence, such acts could
come from unnamed "rightwing extremists" concerned about illegal
immigration, abortion, increasing federal power and restrictions on
firearms -- and singled out returning war veterans as susceptible to
recruitment.
As we learned six months ago, the US government was willing to paint
with a broad stroke in profiling American soldiers cycling in and out
of Fort Hood and similar military installations as potential domestic
terrorists. Were they performing equal due diligence with Maj. Nadil
Malik Hasan at the same time? Seems that the "situational awareness"
was tragically misplaced in this case. Who was the more likely terrorist?
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(AP) � 14 hours ago
ABU DHABI, United Arab Emirates � The U.S. Homeland Security secretary
says she is working to prevent a possible wave of anti-Muslim sentiment
after the shootings at Fort Hood in Texas.
Janet Napolitano says her agency is working with groups across the
United States to try to deflect any backlash against American Muslims
following Thursday's rampage by Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a Muslim
who reportedly expressed growing dismay over the wars in Iraq and
Afghanistan.
The shootings left 13 people dead and 29 wounded.
Napolitano was in the United Arab Emirates on Sunday for talks with
security officials and a meeting with women university students in Abu
Dhabi.
Copyright � 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
------------------------------
November 08, 2009
Napolitano's terrorist radar screen
Joseph Finlay
What kind of behavior and characteristics trigger scrutiny from The
Department of Homeland Security and its head, Janet Napolitano? It seems
that Major Hasan's behavior raised no official eyebrows despite his
outspoken views and possible links to radical extremism. In a world of
political correctness and irrational fear of even the appearance of
profiling, did concern for not offending Hasan's Muslim faith trump the
numerous red flags that are littered in his deadly wake?
Despite subsequent apologies and denials to the contrary, The Dept of
Homeland Security led by Janet Napolitano profiled conservative
Americans as potential domestic terrorists:
"This was an assessment, not an accusation," Napolitano continued. "It
was limited to extremists those who seek to commit violence within the
United States. And all this was meant to do was to give law enforcement
what we call 'situational awareness.'"
"The last thing I want to do is offend or castigate all veterans. To the
contrary, let's meet and clear the air," she said.
A footnote in the report, "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and
Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment,"
said that while there is no specific information that domestic
right-wing terrorists are planning acts of violence, such acts could
come from unnamed "rightwing extremists" concerned about illegal
immigration, abortion, increasing federal power and restrictions on
firearms -- and singled out returning war veterans as susceptible to
recruitment.
As we learned six months ago, the US government was willing to paint
with a broad stroke in profiling American soldiers cycling in and out
of Fort Hood and similar military installations as potential domestic
terrorists. Were they performing equal due diligence with Maj. Nadil
Malik Hasan at the same time? Seems that the "situational awareness"
was tragically misplaced in this case. Who was the more likely terrorist?
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But our crack media talking heads are up to the challenge.... despite
all the evidence and what it means and what to do about it, this:
http://www.americanthinker.com
November 08, 2009
Memo to ABC: There's a Reason He's Not Called Smith
By C. Edmund Wright
Diane Sawyer - either espousing her editorial fantasy or a quoting a
third hand comment from an anonymous "military wife" -- was dreadfully
upset that the mass murderer from Fort Hood was not named Smith. One
can only imagine how thrilled she'd have been had he been named
something like, oh I don't know, Palin.
From what I can deduce, had his name been Smith it would be much easier
for the Diane Sawyers of the Jurassic media to cover up what they fear
really went on here. (In perhaps a related story, none of the 9-11
attackers were in the Smith family either.) And what appears to have
gone wrong is that a poster child for every wrong headed politically
correct liberal program our great military has been forced to accept
blew a gasket and took 13 un-armed American soldiers out. Predictably
blew a gasket I might add.
While many facts are yet to be determined, what we do know is that a man
not named Smith -- but named Hasan -- had some decidedly un-Smith like
beliefs and he was rather adamant about espousing them. That is to say,
this well paid U.S. Army Major held some beliefs strangely coincident
with the very people that most U.S. Army Majors are fighting against.
Call me old fashioned, but I prefer the idea that sympathy with the
enemy is called "treason" rather than the modern touchy feely idea that
it is simply a "healthy diversity."
Such diversity wasn't too damned healthy for about 45 soldiers, now was
it? According to the coroner's report, many are even beyond sensitivity
training at this point. Where is George Patton to slap some sense into
someone when you need him?
We also know that a major who happens to be a devout follower of Islam
-- the well documented religion of peace -- strode into one of the
principal gathering points at Fort Hood and shot 40 some unarmed
military personnel. Among them was a pregnant woman.
We also know that Major Hasan, quite consistent with many who follow
Islam -- that well documented religion of peace -- was quite taken with
the idea of the Middle Eastern homicide bombers. He is known to have
compared them with valiant U.S. soldiers throwing themselves on a
grenade to save buddies. Now I hate to quibble, but isn't a suicide
bomber actually the opposite of those diving on a grenade?
And while we're on the subject of Islam -- that well documented religion
of peace -- Hasan apparently agreed with Bin Laden's PR department that
what the U.S. is doing in Afghanistan and Iraq is occupation. Further,
the U.S. military is just a bunch of infidels. Hasan has indicated he
was in favor of our losing the wars in both theatres.
Now in a country that would not stand for the idea of Derek Jeter
switching to Philly red in the middle of the World Series, what sense
does it make to have Major Hasan in our military? For crying out loud,
"don't ask don't tell" should not apply to the notion of whose side you
are on!
In reality though, this was not even a case of don't ask don't tell. No
one had to ask Major Hasan to get him to tell people what he believed.
He was against the war in Iraq, against the war in Afghanistan and
allegedly verbally pro-Allah as he was gunning down unarmed American
soldiers.
Imagine in World War II if an American officer had shouted "Heil Hitler"
as he was killing un-armed soldiers. Would there be any soul-searching
debate about "PRE-traumatic stress syndrome" and other gobbledy goop?
And if his name were Schmidt -- oddly close to Smith actually -- would
Diane Sawyer be in a snit?
Of course, this would never have happened in WW2. Things are different
today. Somehow our military remains the best in the world while
accommodating all kinds of fast track programs for psychiatrist officers
whose name sounds a lot like those on the roster at Gitmo while ignoring
the detail that he might be anti-American.
And that's the real story here. He was not named Smith. He didn't act
like a Smith or talk like a Smith or have allegiances like a Smith. He
was so not-a-Smith that someone should have noticed. Or more to the
point, our military should not be so eaten up with political correctness
that the many who did notice were forced to shut up about it. This was
so utterly predictable, which is to say utterly preventable.
That's not to say folks named Hasan should not be in the military. It
just might be a good idea if they held onto some mudane Smith type
attitudes, like perhaps being pro-American. This is not discrimination.
ALL soldiers, regardless of their name, should be pro-American at a
minimum. Surely this is logical.
Of course, what else is predictable is how the media is covering it. In
the words of an NPR report: "we know he took his faith seriously, but we
can't say for sure that was a factor." Right. That's exactly what they
say about anyone who bombs an abortion clinic, as we know. Finding out
that Hasan is a follower of Islam is harder to discover in most reports
as was the fact that Eliot Spitzer was a Democrat.
Equally predictable is our President -- who is also not named Smith by
the way. Barack Hussein Obama was giving "shout-outs" to folks at a
speech related to native Americans at the Department of the Interior
shortly after the news of the Fort Hood tragedy broke. This is not
George Bush rapidly finishing a two-minute story to the school kids he
was already in front of after hearing the horrific news of 9-11
whispered into his ear. No. This was a President who had time to
delay, cancel or at least, reprogram a very non-crucial photo op in
light of the news.
The only thing missing was Jeremiah Wright hootin and hollerin about
"America's chickens" and high fiving and so on. I mean, God bleep
America, we deserved it, didn't we? At the very least, Obama's reaction
can charitably be characterized as cold. And not cool at all.
Now all we can hope is that the Army and the FBI will have the courage
to look into the reasons his name was not Smith, and what light that
might shed on what happened. Like many, I suspect that there is a
relationship there. We can only hope that the FBI will reverse their
decision to not even "discuss" the idea that terrorism was involved.
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hal
<Greendis...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>Jerry B. Altzman wrote:
>> on 11/8/2009 9:22 PM Greendistantstar said the following:
>>> I wouldn't call Jerry 'stupid'.
>>> OTOH, he's married, has kids and does karate.....
>>
>> In other words, you WOULD.
>>
>> Thanks for the backup there, Peter. Sheesh.
>
>Makes ya wonder WTF is wrong with polygamists.
>
>IS ONE WHINING WIFE NOT ENOUGH FOR THEM????
if you ever wonder why Mormons are so damned grouchy.
Greendistantstar
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:55:34 +0900, Greendistantstar
> <Greendis...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Jerry B. Altzman wrote:
>>> on 11/8/2009 9:22 PM Greendistantstar said the following:
>>>> I wouldn't call Jerry 'stupid'.
>>>> OTOH, he's married, has kids and does karate.....
>>> In other words, you WOULD.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the backup there, Peter. Sheesh.
>> Makes ya wonder WTF is wrong with polygamists.
>>
>> IS ONE WHINING WIFE NOT ENOUGH FOR THEM????
>
> if you ever wonder why Mormons are so damned grouchy.
I'd have banged Marie Osmond, back in the day....and don't you dare say you wouldn't have, either ;>
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Dan Winsor
wrote:
>
> I'd have banged Marie Osmond, back in the day....and don't you dare say you wouldn't have, either ;>
Hell, I'm married. I'd do her now.
--
Dan Winsor
Soy un poco loco en el coco.
trav...@aol.com
> 40% of white folks only believe in evolution...
> is that a race worth saving?
>
> Sam
Anyone who has read much of what I've written would understand that I
am not a racialist.
I think the masses of EVERY race are essentially worthless. Most
people are stupid, simple as that. I'm not sure how you can get
confused when I say sterilize EVERY person with an IQ below 100.
Trav
hal
well, I probably wouldn't kick her out of bed for not saying her
prayers, but to me dumb just ain't sexy.
>
>GDS
>
>"Let's roll!"
trav...@aol.com
No you aren't, you're insane.
> Hint: it was a rhetorical question.
It was a stupid question.
> Dance, dance, dance.
Who are you, lady gaga?
> The Old Testament is not a history book. And in any case there are no
> Palestinians in it. At least, not in the modern sense of the word.
Jews got that plot of land originally exactly how? Hint: same way
whitey came up on America.
> No one says they started the slave trade.
So why the sense of injustice at whites?
> Still and nevertheless, chattel slavery in the US was almost entirely a
> white institution to exploit black labor.
SO WHAT?
Where the fuck is the SPLC in AFRICA? There is NO discussion of
slavery BEYOND white peoples dids it. The popular perception is that
ONLY whites EVER owned ANY slaves and they were ALWAYS black. The
entire thing is just another bullshit narrative. Somebody is
producing movies and media and publishing books that tell ONLY that
side of the story.
> You've got more stories of imaginary black people? You've got a fertile
> imagaination.
It's your imagination, not mine. You imagine yourself to be
intelligent and imagine that what I say is false.
> Oh, but you did, Trav. Here's your own words:
>
> <quote>
> Apparently, jewish men chase after her like nuts...so much so that the
> stereotype is well, accurate.
> </quote>
Yes, jewish men go after her like nuts. She's a shapely, attractive
black female. It's like being in brazil and watching german tourists.
> I've rebutted it. It's a fantasy.
You haven't marshalled a SINGLE thing against it other than claiming
it to be fabricated.
> You've got bigger problems that that, Trav. You've got Jew Fever.
No, I don't. You just can't read and you are conditioned.
> Oh, c'mon, Trav. You care.
No, not particularly. You are a joo, right?
Give me the narrative about how the innocent peaceloving joos were
just fucked in the ass by the awful white people again. Same as with
every other. I've had this discussion before with joos; the political
incorrect ones dismiss ab initio the absurd notion that the injuns
were peaceloving and innocent, or the arabs, or the blacks, or any
other group that happened to get conquered in the past 500 years. But
they cannot induce from that that their own narrative is flawed.
> Oh, Trav, get help. Jew Fever will ruin your life. From your black-girl-
> getting-hit-on-by-Jews story, to your refusal to spell Jews properly, to
> your claims of Jewish genocide, to your silly "emergent behavior" theory --
> it's all nuts.
No, it's factually correct. I expect the work product of people to
mirror their personal biases. If Farrakhan makes a movie, it's going
to reflect his beliefs. This is just natural. The slant of a
newspaper reflects the editors' biases. It's really very simple.
Right now, the weight of media and policy is decidedly antiWASP. I'm
willing to stipulate that the progenitors of this philosophy or dogma
have long since left the industries, but the culture of the
organization carries on. Only people who have some deep sense of
injustice at whites that they feel needs redress join organizations
like the SPLC. They don't fuckin do it for fun. They believe in the
cause.
As for TV and newspapers, you get Duke Lacrosse pounded on every
channel but Newsom/Christian is barely a peep. The race of
perpetrators is not mentioned, people complain that Cops and First 48
are racist...goddamn, man, look around you.
> I'll accept evidence that I can check. Your JD? Can't check it. Your
> black-girl-getting-hit-on-by-Jews story? Can't check it.
You can't check much of anything.
> Calm down, trav. You're gonna blow a gasket.
I AM calm. You don't get it, do you?
> Now how am I gonna do that? I don't know who's really posting; I don't
> knew if you have a JD. I don't know whether your black-girl-getting-hit-
> on-by-Jews story is true. (No, I'm sure that one is just bullshit.)
I guess you're just ignorant then.
> Try giving me something I can check out. Genocide against the
> Palestinians? All I have to do is check UN population figures to know
> that's a lie.
This must set you at odds with the non-joos in the libtard party.
> Oh, no! They used, *sob*, force of law! How dare they?
>
> Economic extortion? Like in Birmingham, when black riders simply refused
> to ride segregated buses? You got a problem with that?
>
> Seems you've got a problem with public accommodation laws, too.
>
> Sucks to be you, doesn't it?
No, quite the opposite.
> Let's start out with "Joos." If you can't even have the courtesy to call
> someone by the name they prefer, then I'm gonna call animus on you.
The joos here use joos. For fuck's sake, how much more hypersensitive
could ANYBODY be?
> How about negative stereotyping?
Where was the negative?
> How about absurd claims of collectivist action via non-existent "emergent"
> group behavior?
That is antisemitic to point out that when you have a significant
portion of the activist population with a particular political bent
you should expect a certain outcome???
> How about blood libel? Like killing all the Palestinians? Because that's
> what genocide means.
Ok, you left the realm of the sane...blood libel. Good lord. Not
gonna read the rest.
Trav
trav...@aol.com
Why would they? They've been convinced that the white man is to blame
for everything.
Trav
Shuurai
> >Except that, in the days leading up to the incident, he was posting on
> >Islamic chat sites about how he was going to kill for Islam; and
> >according to eyewitnesses, at the beginning of the incident he shouted
> >the name Allah...
>
> unconfirmed
Confirmed.
Also confirmed is that he attended the same mosque as two of the 9/11
attackers, and was under investigation by the FBI for attempting to
contact Al Queda operatives.
Deadrat
news:8326f182-f5b4-4019...@u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com:
<snip/>
>> The Old Testament is not a history book. �And in any case there are
>> no Palestinians in it. �At least, not in the modern sense of the
>> word.
>
> Jews got that plot of land originally exactly how? Hint: same way
> whitey came up on America.
Not even close. But the short answer is the UN.
>
>> No one says they started the slave trade.
>
> So why the sense of injustice at whites?
Ya know, Trav, if you knew how little time black people spent thinking
about you, you might be surprised.
>
>> Still and nevertheless, chattel slavery in the US was almost entirely
>> a white institution to exploit black labor.
>
> SO WHAT?
So get over it. No one is blaming you personally.
>
> Where the fuck is the SPLC in AFRICA?
Who cares?
> There is NO discussion of slavery BEYOND white peoples dids it.
That there's much discussion of slavery at all is a figment of your
imagination.
> The popular perception is that
> ONLY whites EVER owned ANY slaves and they were ALWAYS black. The
> entire thing is just another bullshit narrative. Somebody is
> producing movies and media and publishing books that tell ONLY that
> side of the story.
In 1860, there were 4M black slaves. How many white slaves were there?
>
>> You've got more stories of imaginary black people? �You've got a
>> fertile imagaination.
>
> It's your imagination, not mine. You imagine yourself to be
> intelligent and imagine that what I say is false.
Sure you do. But you're an ignoramus.
>> Oh, but you did, Trav. �Here's your own words:
>>
>> <quote>
>> Apparently, jewish men chase after her like nuts...so much so that
>> the stereotype is well, accurate.
>> </quote>
>
> Yes, jewish men go after her like nuts. She's a shapely, attractive
> black female. It's like being in brazil and watching german tourists.
More fever dreams.
>
>> I've rebutted it. �It's a fantasy.
>
> You haven't marshalled a SINGLE thing against it other than claiming
> it to be fabricated.
Just about on par with your claim that it's true.
>
>> You've got bigger problems that that, Trav. �You've got Jew Fever.
>
> No, I don't. You just can't read and you are conditioned.
>
>> Oh, c'mon, Trav. �You care.
>
> No, not particularly. You are a joo, right?
That important to you, Trav? If I said one way or the other, how could
you know whether I was telling the truth?
>
> Give me the narrative about how the innocent peaceloving joos were
> just fucked in the ass by the awful white people again. Same as with
> every other. I've had this discussion before with joos; the political
> incorrect ones dismiss ab initio the absurd notion that the injuns
> were peaceloving and innocent, or the arabs, or the blacks, or any
> other group that happened to get conquered in the past 500 years. But
> they cannot induce from that that their own narrative is flawed.
Just about every group has a mythology is clings to. So what?
>
>> Oh, Trav, get help. �Jew Fever will ruin your life. �From your black-
> girl-
>> getting-hit-on-by-Jews story, to your refusal to spell Jews properly,
>> to your claims of Jewish genocide, to your silly "emergent behavior"
>> theory
> --
>> it's all nuts.
>
> No, it's factually correct. I expect the work product of people to
> mirror their personal biases. If Farrakhan makes a movie, it's going
> to reflect his beliefs. This is just natural. The slant of a
> newspaper reflects the editors' biases. It's really very simple.
>
> Right now, the weight of media and policy is decidedly antiWASP.
Bummer. Good thing they own everything, eh?
> I'm
> willing to stipulate that the progenitors of this philosophy or dogma
> have long since left the industries, but the culture of the
> organization carries on. Only people who have some deep sense of
> injustice at whites that they feel needs redress join organizations
> like the SPLC.
The SPLC tracks Kluxers.
> They don't fuckin do it for fun. They believe in the cause.
>
> As for TV and newspapers, you get Duke Lacrosse pounded on every
> channel but Newsom/Christian is barely a peep. The race of
> perpetrators is not mentioned, people complain that Cops and First 48
> are racist...goddamn, man, look around you.
Look at yourself first, Trav. Mote, beam, eye, ya know.
>> I'll accept evidence that I can check. �Your JD? �Can't check it. �
> Your
>> black-girl-getting-hit-on-by-Jews story? �Can't check it.
>
> You can't check much of anything.
You can, but you won't.
>
>> Calm down, trav. �You're gonna blow a gasket.
>
> I AM calm. You don't get it, do you?
Sure thing, trav.
>> Now how am I gonna do that? �I don't know who's really posting; I
>> don't knew if you have a JD. �I don't know whether your
>> black-girl-getting-hit-
>> on-by-Jews story is true. �(No, I'm sure that one is just bullshit.)
>
> I guess you're just ignorant then.
We're all ignorant, trav. You, willfully so.
>
>> Try giving me something I can check out. �Genocide against the
>> Palestinians? �All I have to do is check UN population figures to
>> know that's a lie.
>
> This must set you at odds with the non-joos in the libtard party.
>
>> Oh, no! �They used, *sob*, force of law! �How dare they?
>>
>> Economic extortion? �Like in Birmingham, when black riders simply
>> refused
>> to ride segregated buses? �You got a problem with that?
>>
>> Seems you've got a problem with public accommodation laws, too.
>>
>> Sucks to be you, doesn't it?
>
> No, quite the opposite.
Then what's with all the whining then?
>
>> Let's start out with "Joos." �If you can't even have the courtesy to
>> call
>> someone by the name they prefer, then I'm gonna call animus on you.
>
> The joos here use joos. For fuck's sake, how much more hypersensitive
> could ANYBODY be?
The "joos here"! Bwahahahahahaha! "Joos in Cyberspace"? or "Joos
inside your head"?
>
>> How about negative stereotyping?
> Where was the negative?
All them horny joos hittin' on imaginary black gals.
>> How about absurd claims of collectivist action via non-existent
>> "emergent" group behavior?
>
> That is antisemitic to point out that when you have a significant
> portion of the activist population with a particular political bent
> you should expect a certain outcome???
When you see joos behind every tree? Yeah.
>
>> How about blood libel? �Like killing all the Palestinians? Because
>> that's what genocide means.
>
> Ok, you left the realm of the sane...blood libel. Good lord. Not
> gonna read the rest.
Run away, Brave Sir Robin. As always, it's up to you. Come back when
you can document a Palestinian genocide.
>
> Trav
>
Mark Goldberg
> he is now said to have been yelling "alu akbar" during the attack.
> but he was stressed.
> he was the victim of taunting cause he was a muslim.
> maybe just maybe...
> the taunting of muslims isnt doesnt cause them to kill.
> maybe....maybe they are taunted cause muslims kill people so much.
> just a crzy theory i got.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npAvM-VWwhc&feature=player_embedded
The BBC's Gavin Lee interviews 'Duane' at the Islamic Community center
of Greater Killen the day after the killings at Fort Hood
Mark Goldberg
> The BBC's Gavin Lee interviews 'Duane' at the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen the day after the killings at Fort Hood.
> Duane : I'm not going to condemn him for what he did. I don't know why he did it. I will not, absolutely not, condemn him
for what he had done though. If he had done it for selfish reasons I
still will not condemn him. He's my brother in the end.
I will never condemn him.
>
> Gavin Lee : There might be a lot of people shocked to hear you say that.
>
> Duane: Well, that's the way it is. I don't speak for the community here but me personally I will not condemn him.
>
> Gavin Lee : What are your thoughts towards those that were victims in this?
>
> Duane : They were, in the end, they were troops who were going to Afghanistan and Iraq to kill Muslims.
I honestly have no pity for them. It's just like the majority of the
people that will hear this,
after five or six minutes they'll be shocked, after that they'll
forget about them and go on their day.
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Sam the Bam
> > I dunno, Trav, I just saw a survey, where only
> > 40% of white folks only believe in evolution...
> > is that a race worth saving?
>
> am not a racialist.
>
> I think the masses of EVERY race are essentially worthless. Most
> people are stupid, simple as that. I'm not sure how you can get
> confused when I say sterilize EVERY person with an IQ below 100.
What happens to the IQ curve after you do that?
Sam
trav...@aol.com
Fuck, Moses went in front of the UN? God damn, I had no clue about
that.
> Ya know, Trav, if you knew how little time black people spent thinking
> about you, you might be surprised.
In between thinking of what, murder?
> Who cares?
You should; they should be attacking slavery.
> That there's much discussion of slavery at all is a figment of your
> imagination.
LOL...now this is the dumbest thing you've ever said. In EVERY
discussion of race, it exists.
> In 1860, there were 4M black slaves. How many white slaves were there?
WHO CARES? That is IMMATERIAL to the grander issue of slavery.
> That important to you, Trav? If I said one way or the other, how could
> you know whether I was telling the truth?
I'd assume you were probably lying.
> Just about every group has a mythology is clings to. So what?
Other groups don't have the power to actualize their mythologies.
> Bummer. Good thing they own everything, eh?
Like the banks, media, and FOMC.
> The SPLC tracks Kluxers.
All fucking THREE of them?
> Then what's with all the whining then?
Our nation is being destroyed.
> The "joos here"! Bwahahahahahaha! "Joos in Cyberspace"? or "Joos
> inside your head"?
On this forum, you freakin IDIOT.
> All them horny joos hittin' on imaginary black gals.
Why did you assume that this was negative? Your reactions betray you.
> When you see joos behind every tree? Yeah.
You're a nutcase.
> Run away, Brave Sir Robin. As always, it's up to you. Come back when
> you can document a Palestinian genocide.
I assumed you were a gentile libtard, in which case you'd have been
screaming about it.
Obviously, there is no genocide of palestinians and never was, but
you'd be suprised what libtards who are gentiles would assert.
Trav