At a movie press conference in the UK yesterday Gary Oldman mentioned, among other things, something that the actor Michael Caine had said to him about Superman vs the Batman: the former being how America views itself; the latter, darker 'vigilante-esque' character being how the rest of the world views America.
Anyone have any thought-balloons of their own about that observation?
On 28 May 2004 12:04:56 -0700, capedcrusader...@hotmail.com (brucew) wrote:
>At a movie press conference in the UK yesterday Gary Oldman mentioned, >among other things, something that the actor Michael Caine had said to >him about Superman vs the Batman: the former being how America views >itself; the latter, darker 'vigilante-esque' character being how the >rest of the world views America.
>Anyone have any thought-balloons of their own about that observation?
I thought the world viewed the US of A as the "Great Satan".
brucew wrote: > At a movie press conference in the UK yesterday Gary Oldman mentioned, > among other things, something that the actor Michael Caine had said to > him about Superman vs the Batman: the former being how America views > itself; the latter, darker 'vigilante-esque' character being how the > rest of the world views America.
> Anyone have any thought-balloons of their own about that observation?
Let me see, when I was researching my thesis (on this very subject) I found this quotation:
“The difference between Gotham and Metropolis succinctly summarizes the differences between the two superheroes. As current Batman editor Dennis O’Neil put it: ‘Gotham is Manhattan below Fourteenth Street at 3 a.m., November 28 in a cold year. Metropolis is Manhattan between Fourteenth and One Hundred and Tenth Streets on the brightest, sunniest July day of the year’” (9).
-Boichel, Bill. “Batman: Commodity as Myth.” The Many Lives of the Batman: Critical Approaches to a Superhero and his Media. Eds. Roberta E. Pearson and William Uricchio. New York: Routledge, 1991. 4-17.
I think that the differences between the two superheroes are the differences in America's own psyche. The two certainly have thrived in multiple media in America because they appeal to different parts of the American experience. The upstanding, trustworthy symbol of authority vs. the vigilante protector. Certainly there's discussion to be had, but both of them are uniquely American in their own way, produced by American artists and dominant American symbols.
brucew wrote: > At a movie press conference in the UK yesterday Gary Oldman mentioned, > among other things, something that the actor Michael Caine had said to > him about Superman vs the Batman: the former being how America views > itself; the latter, darker 'vigilante-esque' character being how the > rest of the world views America.
> Anyone have any thought-balloons of their own about that observation?
Frank Miller said it all in "The dark knight returns". Queso
Earl Camembert wrote: > On 28 May 2004 12:04:56 -0700, capedcrusader...@hotmail.com (brucew) > wrote:
>>At a movie press conference in the UK yesterday Gary Oldman mentioned, >>among other things, something that the actor Michael Caine had said to >>him about Superman vs the Batman: the former being how America views >>itself; the latter, darker 'vigilante-esque' character being how the >>rest of the world views America.
>>Anyone have any thought-balloons of their own about that observation?
> I thought the world viewed the US of A as the "Great Satan".
No, Great Satan was my favorite giant robot anime of the 1970's... or was that Great Mazinger? Queso
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brucew <capedcrusader...@hotmail.com> wrote: >At a movie press conference in the UK yesterday Gary Oldman mentioned, >among other things, something that the actor Michael Caine had said to >him about Superman vs the Batman: the former being how America views >itself; the latter, darker 'vigilante-esque' character being how the >rest of the world views America.
>Anyone have any thought-balloons of their own about that observation?
It has already been weel established in "Batman: The Dark Knight Returns" that Batman beats superman. IIRC he does so again in the sequal to said novel. "The Worlds Finest" also suggests this. And in the end, who really gives a ^(*&^#*(& what the UK thinks of America :) When they learn how to cook and stop producing ugly women, THEN we 'might' start to pay some attention to their opinions/views [note - last part is humor]
> On 28 May 2004 12:04:56 -0700, capedcrusader...@hotmail.com (brucew) > wrote:
> >At a movie press conference in the UK yesterday Gary Oldman mentioned, > >among other things, something that the actor Michael Caine had said to > >him about Superman vs the Batman: the former being how America views > >itself; the latter, darker 'vigilante-esque' character being how the > >rest of the world views America.
> >Anyone have any thought-balloons of their own about that observation?
> I thought the world viewed the US of A as the "Great Satan".
Funnt how short memories can be.
In the late 1970s and early 1980s when the former USSR invaded Afghanistan, the communists were "The Great Satan".
Now it's the USA?
"Great Satan" = anyone who disagrees with their Islamic fundamentalist views.
>At a movie press conference in the UK yesterday Gary Oldman mentioned, >among other things, something that the actor Michael Caine had said to >him about Superman vs the Batman: the former being how America views >itself; the latter, darker 'vigilante-esque' character being how the >rest of the world views America.
>Anyone have any thought-balloons of their own about that observation?
The USA is a dark Superman. Like Bizzarro, or Black Adam.
>> >At a movie press conference in the UK yesterday Gary Oldman mentioned, >> >among other things, something that the actor Michael Caine had said to >> >him about Superman vs the Batman: the former being how America views >> >itself; the latter, darker 'vigilante-esque' character being how the >> >rest of the world views America.
>> >Anyone have any thought-balloons of their own about that observation?
>> I thought the world viewed the US of A as the "Great Satan".
>Funnt how short memories can be.
>In the late 1970s and early 1980s when the former USSR invaded Afghanistan, >the communists were "The Great Satan".
>Now it's the USA?
We won the cold war and are the undisputed "Great Satan". Long may we retain that title.
> >> >At a movie press conference in the UK yesterday Gary Oldman mentioned, > >> >among other things, something that the actor Michael Caine had said to > >> >him about Superman vs the Batman: the former being how America views > >> >itself; the latter, darker 'vigilante-esque' character being how the > >> >rest of the world views America.
> >> >Anyone have any thought-balloons of their own about that observation?
> >> I thought the world viewed the US of A as the "Great Satan".
> >Funnt how short memories can be.
> >In the late 1970s and early 1980s when the former USSR invaded Afghanistan, > >the communists were "The Great Satan".
> >Now it's the USA?
> We won the cold war and are the undisputed "Great Satan". Long may we > retain that title.
If there was a god then there could be a great satan. But there's not.
>> >> >At a movie press conference in the UK yesterday Gary Oldman mentioned, >> >> >among other things, something that the actor Michael Caine had said to >> >> >him about Superman vs the Batman: the former being how America views >> >> >itself; the latter, darker 'vigilante-esque' character being how the >> >> >rest of the world views America.
>> >> >Anyone have any thought-balloons of their own about that observation?
>> >> I thought the world viewed the US of A as the "Great Satan".
>> >Funnt how short memories can be.
>> >In the late 1970s and early 1980s when the former USSR invaded >Afghanistan, >> >the communists were "The Great Satan".
>> >Now it's the USA?
>> We won the cold war and are the undisputed "Great Satan". Long may we >> retain that title.
>If there was a god then there could be a great satan. But there's not.
As long as people believe in one there is th other. Good and evil are human concepts.
> And in the end, who really gives a ^(*&^#*(& what the UK thinks of > America :) When they learn how to cook and stop producing ugly women, > THEN we 'might' start to pay some attention to their opinions/views [note > - last part is humor]
>>We won the cold war and are the undisputed "Great Satan". Long may we >>retain that title.
> Indeed. The US *should* regard it as a badge of honour. > Dany
Anytime those people say you're the Great Satan... wear it with pride. Because a monster has just meowed at it's own reflection without an iota of understanding that the mirror reflection is their own.
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