Judo Question
Herbert Cannon
and there is an article in it entitled " The Future of Olympic Style
Karate." Anyway there is a statement in the article that says: " When Judo
became an olympic sport in 1964, it went into decline in popularity from
which it never recovered."
The article goes on to say: " Prior to 1964 Judo was the most widespread
martial discipline in the west, today it is difficult to find a judo dojo
even in major cities - living proof that martial arts do not a good sport
make!"
Did judo go into decline and never recover because it became sport? Is the
writer correct? I thought it would be opposite. Is it because some of the
techniques are no longer taught and emphasized?
Greendistantstar
The 'decline' is more the let-down that the Judo world and its officialdom felt after the 1964
Olympics. Many 'marginal' sports get Olympic status and think that their sport will grow due to the
'increased interest'. Many discover that this 'increased interest' was only ever self-acclaimation.
And FWIW I'd dispute the claim that Judo was ever the most widespread martial art in the west,
either before or after 1964, or that good judo dojos are difficult to find in major cities.
Who's the author, Herb?
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Rabid Weasel Lawson
Judo has declined somewhat from the heights of its popularity but it's
still easy to find a Judo dojo. Many Judoka feel that one of the elements
to the decline has been an over-emphasis on Olympic, "sport," style Judo
and its rules. However, they also recognize that Judo *MUST* have
competition in order to keep "real."
So, no, the author is truly stretching here.
Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk
Herbert Cannon
> The 'decline' is more the let-down that the Judo world and its officialdom
> felt after the 1964
> Olympics.
So more of a disappointment in a surge that never happened?
Many 'marginal' sports get Olympic status and think that their sport will
grow due to the
> 'increased interest'. Many discover that this 'increased interest' was
> only ever self-acclaimation.
TKD grew; but I think that was due more to good marketing and the fact BB
was given out in two years. Making instructors readily available.
>
> And FWIW I'd dispute the claim that Judo was ever the most widespread
> martial art in the west, either before or after 1964, or that good judo
> dojos are difficult to find in major cities.
>
> Who's the author, Herb?
I assume the author is Robert Dohenwend, the editor, since it is an
editorial in the magazine. However, there is a long list of contributing
editors also with considerable academic credentials behind their names. It
is a pretty good magazine; but mainly about karate and history of martial
arts.
The author cites no figures for his argument.
The reason I asked is that the only dojo that has closed in this city
recently was the Aikido and Judo dojo that had operated for 25 years. It had
horrible hours and would not teach children. Rather silly rules too. I took
Jodo there for 6 years and then was embarking on Iaido when one of the
instructors left. The other instructor was a shit head, so I left the dojo.
They made no attempt to keep their students are get new ones. It was really
a mismanaged dojo.
Herbert Cannon
"Rabid Weasel Lawson" <lawson@NO6249SPAM+dayton.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:52:50 -0600, Herbert Cannon wrote:
>
>> I am reading this article in a magazine called " Classical Fighting
>> Arts;"
>> and there is an article in it entitled " The Future of Olympic Style
>> Karate." Anyway there is a statement in the article that says: " When
>> Judo
>> became an olympic sport in 1964, it went into decline in popularity from
>> which it never recovered."
>> The article goes on to say: " Prior to 1964 Judo was the most widespread
>> martial discipline in the west, today it is difficult to find a judo dojo
>> even in major cities - living proof that martial arts do not a good sport
>> make!"
>> Did judo go into decline and never recover because it became sport? Is
>> the
>> writer correct? I thought it would be opposite. Is it because some of the
>> techniques are no longer taught and emphasized?
>
> Judo has declined somewhat from the heights of its popularity but it's
> still easy to find a Judo dojo.
Not here. No commercial dojos in this city and we are a fair size one with a
large university - LSU.
See my answer to GDS.
The closest judo dojo is now one is in another state.
Many Judoka feel that one of the elements
> to the decline has been an over-emphasis on Olympic, "sport," style Judo
> and its rules.
So you are saying there has been a decline?
However, they also recognize that Judo *MUST* have
> competition in order to keep "real."
No disagreement from me.
>
> So, no, the author is truly stretching here.
I cannot tell. He cites no figures or authority on the " decline." I wonder
if there is a source?
>
Herbert Cannon
Herbert Cannon
Greendistantstar
>> The 'decline' is more the let-down that the Judo world and its officialdom
>> felt after the 1964
>> Olympics.
>
> So more of a disappointment in a surge that never happened?
Yes that, and the inability of many countries outside the usual suspects to win medals.
> Many 'marginal' sports get Olympic status and think that their sport will
> grow due to the
>> 'increased interest'. Many discover that this 'increased interest' was
>> only ever self-acclaimation.
>
> TKD grew; but I think that was due more to good marketing and the fact BB
> was given out in two years. Making instructors readily available.
I'd have thought TKD too.
>> And FWIW I'd dispute the claim that Judo was ever the most widespread
>> martial art in the west, either before or after 1964, or that good judo
>> dojos are difficult to find in major cities.
>>
>> Who's the author, Herb?
>
> I assume the author is Robert Dohenwend, the editor, since it is an
> editorial in the magazine. However, there is a long list of contributing
> editors also with considerable academic credentials behind their names. It
> is a pretty good magazine; but mainly about karate and history of martial
> arts.
> The author cites no figures for his argument.
Judo is still extremely popular in Japan, Russia and France, but as far as total, active
participants over time, by country? No one's keeping composite, longitudinal research on this as far
as I know so the author's guess is as good as mine.
> The reason I asked is that the only dojo that has closed in this city
> recently was the Aikido and Judo dojo that had operated for 25 years. It had
> horrible hours and would not teach children. Rather silly rules too. I took
> Jodo there for 6 years and then was embarking on Iaido when one of the
> instructors left. The other instructor was a shit head, so I left the dojo.
> They made no attempt to keep their students are get new ones. It was really
> a mismanaged dojo.
Bad schools will always fail eventually, no matter what ma is being taught. I think the popularity
of MMA has taken a HUGE hunk of students and revenue from almost every single ma. I'm still
staggered at the number of people who now know about it.
I have an old mate whose interest in and awareness of martial arts is close to zero. He knows I do
'stuff' but that's about it. So we're on the phone a few weeks ago (he's in another state) and he
says to me:
"Mate, I saw this thing on TV last night that I think you should watch. It's called, um, 'Fight Club
Ultimate' or something and it's crazy shit! Maybe you should quit doin' that stuff you do and try
this, cos these gays can FIGHT!"
"You don't mean the UFC do you?"
"Yeah, that's it! You should look it up!"
"I just might do that...thanks for the tip."
lol
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Rabid Weasel Lawson
I find that hard to believe. Heck, I'm in Dayton, OH area and there are 4
or 5 within easy drive distance.
> Many Judoka feel that one of the elements
>> to the decline has been an over-emphasis on Olympic, "sport," style Judo
>> and its rules.
>
> So you are saying there has been a decline?
Yes, that's what I'm saying. There are fewer practicing Judoka now then
there were 40 or 50 years ago.
Still popular and widely available, but fewer then there were.
> I cannot tell. He cites no figures or authority on the " decline." I wonder
> if there is a source?
I've been quoted enrollment figures for three of the major orgs in the
U.S. and all of them show a drop in total membership numbers. That in
connection with the increase in over all population numbers in the U.S.
indicates a real decline. Not in danger of going extinct but not as
popular with the general population as it was in decades past. Numerous
reasons for this.
Fraser Johnston
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> "Rabid Weasel Lawson" <lawson@NO6249SPAM+dayton.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:52:50 -0600, Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>
>>> I am reading this article in a magazine called " Classical Fighting Arts;"
>>> and there is an article in it entitled " The Future of Olympic Style
>>> Karate." Anyway there is a statement in the article that says: " When Judo
>>> became an olympic sport in 1964, it went into decline in popularity from
>>> which it never recovered."
>>> The article goes on to say: " Prior to 1964 Judo was the most widespread
>>> martial discipline in the west, today it is difficult to find a judo dojo
>>> even in major cities - living proof that martial arts do not a good sport
>>> make!"
>>> Did judo go into decline and never recover because it became sport? Is the
>>> writer correct? I thought it would be opposite. Is it because some of the
>>> techniques are no longer taught and emphasized?
>>
>> Judo has declined somewhat from the heights of its popularity but it's
>> still easy to find a Judo dojo.
>
> Not here. No commercial dojos in this city and we are a fair size one with a
> large university - LSU.
> See my answer to GDS.
> The closest judo dojo is now one is in another state.
Dojo or club? Plenty of clubs that operate out of high school gyms, church
halls etc. I would bet money I could find one within an hours drive of you as
long as you don't live in the Sahara desert.
Fraser
Herbert Cannon
> Dojo or club?
Commericial dojo with good instruction.
Plenty of clubs that operate out of high school gyms, church
> halls etc.
Nothing like that around here.
I would bet money I could find one within an hours drive of you as
> long as you don't live in the Sahara desert.
You would lose.
suds mcduff
> "Rabid Weasel Lawson" <lawson@NO6249SPAM+dayton.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2009.12.28.12.21.49.244804@NO6249SPAM+dayton.net...
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:52:50 -0600, Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>
>>> I am reading this article in a magazine called " Classical Fighting
>>> Arts;"
>>> and there is an article in it entitled " The Future of Olympic Style
>>> Karate." Anyway there is a statement in the article that says: " When
>>> Judo
>>> became an olympic sport in 1964, it went into decline in popularity from
>>> which it never recovered."
>>> The article goes on to say: " Prior to 1964 Judo was the most widespread
>>> martial discipline in the west, today it is difficult to find a judo dojo
>>> even in major cities - living proof that martial arts do not a good sport
>>> make!"
>>> Did judo go into decline and never recover because it became sport? Is
>>> the
>>> writer correct? I thought it would be opposite. Is it because some of the
>>> techniques are no longer taught and emphasized?
>> Judo has declined somewhat from the heights of its popularity but it's
>> still easy to find a Judo dojo.
>
> Not here.
-----Did you try these?
http://www.ljci.org/index.html
http://www.tulane.edu/~judo/
http://www.neworleansjudo.org/
http://acadianjudo.com/
http://www.myspace.com/ronindojo
suds mcduff
> "Rabid Weasel Lawson" <lawson@NO6249SPAM+dayton.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2009.12.28.12.21.49.244804@NO6249SPAM+dayton.net...
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:52:50 -0600, Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>
>>> I am reading this article in a magazine called " Classical Fighting
>>> Arts;"
>>> and there is an article in it entitled " The Future of Olympic Style
>>> Karate." Anyway there is a statement in the article that says: " When
>>> Judo
>>> became an olympic sport in 1964, it went into decline in popularity from
>>> which it never recovered."
>>> The article goes on to say: " Prior to 1964 Judo was the most widespread
>>> martial discipline in the west, today it is difficult to find a judo dojo
>>> even in major cities - living proof that martial arts do not a good sport
>>> make!"
>>> Did judo go into decline and never recover because it became sport? Is
>>> the
>>> writer correct? I thought it would be opposite. Is it because some of the
>>> techniques are no longer taught and emphasized?
>> Judo has declined somewhat from the heights of its popularity but it's
>> still easy to find a Judo dojo.
>
> Not here. No commercial dojos in this city and we are a fair size one with a
> large university - LSU.
---there's a judo club there...
Herbert Cannon
>> Not here. No commercial dojos in this city and we are a fair size one
>> with a
>> large university - LSU.
>
> ---there's a judo club there...
>
> http://www.lsu.edu/student_organizations/judoclub/
A club that occassionaly lives and dies. So small for a very large
unversity, it hardly breathes when it is in existence. Some years completely
non existent. Much like the fencing club. When I found them a place to exist
off campus a couple of years ago and they opened up to the general
population, they grew to a large club.
You need to try to quit telling people what exists where they live. I know
it is hard for a know it all like yourself; but it is stupid. A continual
conversation with shitheel would keep you occupied.
I used to belong to this club in the early 1970s when a grad student. It was
not much then; and it is still not much.
When Heyung Kimm opened a commercial dojo in the 1970s it thrived.
Unfortunately, he switched to Hapkido and then his own system HanMudo. Much
more lucrative for him though.
The university will not permit any private pay instructors on campus. That
protects the yos yos they have there, who are usually not very good. Kind of
like govt health care.
Any questions?
Herbert Cannon
>
> -----Did you try these?
>
>
> http://www.ljci.org/index.html
> http://www.tulane.edu/~judo/
> http://www.neworleansjudo.org/
> http://acadianjudo.com/
> http://www.myspace.com/ronindojo
>
recovered and the population is way down. I have a buddy, who is in school
there and who goes over to Miss to do his Judo.
Lafayette is about two hours away and you can get stuck on I - 10 in the
Atchaflaya swamp for 6 hours and sit there. I have a buddy, who teaches
Hapkido in Lafayette very small classes for any martial arts there. Hardly
worth getting excited over.
I assure you I know what exists where I live.
suds mcduff
>> http://www.tulane.edu/~judo/
-----2006.....http://www.tulane.edu/~judo/doc/contact.html
>> http://www.neworleansjudo.org/
----You tried this one? Post Katrina...
>> http://acadianjudo.com/
>> http://www.myspace.com/ronindojo
>>
> Obviously you have forgotten Katrina.
----All of these links were posted after Katrina...
Much of New Orleans has never
> recovered and the population is way down. I have a buddy, who is in school
> there and who goes over to Miss to do his Judo.
> Lafayette is about two hours away and you can get stuck on I - 10 in the
> Atchaflaya swamp for 6 hours and sit there. I have a buddy, who teaches
> Hapkido in Lafayette very small classes for any martial arts there. Hardly
> worth getting excited over.
> I assure you I know what exists where I live.
>
>
----So, you tried all these links....I did, they're still up and running...
suds mcduff
>>> Not here. No commercial dojos in this city and we are a fair size one
>>> with a
>>> large university - LSU.
>> ---there's a judo club there...
>>
>> http://www.lsu.edu/student_organizations/judoclub/
>
> A club that occassionaly lives and dies. So small for a very large
> unversity, it hardly breathes when it is in existence. Some years completely
> non existent. Much like the fencing club. When I found them a place to exist
> off campus a couple of years ago and they opened up to the general
> population, they grew to a large club.
> You need to try to quit telling people what exists where they live.
----Just tryin to help ya, Dim....all these clubs were provided by the
Judo Info site....I doubt you knew to look there...
I know
> it is hard for a know it all like yourself; but it is stupid.
----I doubt you actually pursued Judo clubs in your area, Dim....they
are all over the place, it seems...
A continual
> conversation with shitheel would keep you occupied.
----You mean like the one I'm having now?
> I used to belong to this club in the early 1970s when a grad student. It was
> not much then; and it is still not much.
----Judo's what you make of it, Dim....
> When Heyung Kimm opened a commercial dojo in the 1970s it thrived.
> Unfortunately, he switched to Hapkido and then his own system HanMudo. Much
> more lucrative for him though.
> The university will not permit any private pay instructors on campus. That
> protects the yos yos they have there, who are usually not very good.
----How do you quantify "good" Dim? Trophies in the window?
Kind of
> like govt health care.
----You seem to enjoy yours....
> Any questions?
-----So, there are Judo clubs, but not "commercial McDojo's"? Gotcha,
Dim....most clubs that compete are non profit orgs....my son's is one of
them, and they bring back trophies galore...sorry you can't find a place
that hits your wallet a little harder....
Herbert Cannon
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Now try visiting the clubs from where I live you dumb shit.
Herbert Cannon
> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>> Not here. No commercial dojos in this city and we are a fair size one
>>>> with a
>>>> large university - LSU.
>>> ---there's a judo club there...
>>>
>>> http://www.lsu.edu/student_organizations/judoclub/
>>
>> A club that occassionaly lives and dies. So small for a very large
>> unversity, it hardly breathes when it is in existence. Some years
>> completely non existent. Much like the fencing club. When I found them a
>> place to exist off campus a couple of years ago and they opened up to the
>> general population, they grew to a large club.
>> You need to try to quit telling people what exists where they live.
>
> ----Just tryin to help ya, Dim....all these clubs were provided by the
> Judo Info site....I doubt you knew to look there...
>
HAHAHA I live here you dumb shit. I doubt you have ever been stuck on the
Atchaflaya express way either.
> I know
>> it is hard for a know it all like yourself; but it is stupid.
>
> ----I doubt you actually pursued Judo clubs in your area, Dim....they are
> all over the place, it seems...
Sure they are you brainless twit. You google something on the internet and
become an instant expert on something you know nothing about. What a fucking
joke.
>
> A continual
>> conversation with shitheel would keep you occupied.
>
> ----You mean like the one I'm having now?
You mean the braindead monologue you are attempting to say is a
conversation.
>
>> I used to belong to this club in the early 1970s when a grad student. It
>> was not much then; and it is still not much.
>
> ----Judo's what you make of it, Dim....
Spare me the inane platitudes.
>
>> When Heyung Kimm opened a commercial dojo in the 1970s it thrived.
>> Unfortunately, he switched to Hapkido and then his own system HanMudo.
>> Much more lucrative for him though.
>> The university will not permit any private pay instructors on campus.
>> That protects the yos yos they have there, who are usually not very good.
>
> ----How do you quantify "good" Dim? Trophies in the window?
Shitty is shitty no matter that you keep trying to pick up turds by the
clean end.
>
> Kind of
>> like govt health care.
>
> ----You seem to enjoy yours....
That is funny cause I just fired a Doctor. You are babbling again.
>
>> Any questions?
>
> -----So, there are Judo clubs, but not "commercial McDojo's"? Gotcha,
> Dim....most clubs that compete are non profit orgs....my son's is one of
> them,
That figures. No one willing to pay him, Dump?
and they bring back trophies galore..
So is that how you define good? Trophies in the window, Dump?
.sorry you can't find a place
> that hits your wallet a little harder....
Dont need one, Dump. Sorry you cant find one that lives soley by your
creed - to each according to his need - from each according to his ability;
and fuck self iniative, individual accomplishment, and hard work.
Herbert Cannon
So is the " chocolate city; " but not very well.
suds mcduff
----You don't live in Louisiana? One of 'em's right in NO....didn't look
at the links at all, did ya?
Or did you want one that was right down the street?
What does this do to the guy's theory of Judo's unpopularity?
suds mcduff
----So, you didn't even try....guess that disproves your Judo popularity
question...
suds mcduff
>> ----Just tryin to help ya, Dim....all these clubs were provided by the
>> Judo Info site....I doubt you knew to look there...
>>
>
> HAHAHA I live here you dumb shit. I doubt you have ever been stuck on the
> Atchaflaya express way either.
----And, all these clubs in LA listed themselves as available on *one*
site....I have no doubt there are others not listed...
>
>> I know
>>> it is hard for a know it all like yourself; but it is stupid.
>> ----I doubt you actually pursued Judo clubs in your area, Dim....they are
>> all over the place, it seems...
>
> Sure they are you brainless twit. You google something on the internet and
> become an instant expert on something you know nothing about. What a fucking
> joke.
----All the Judo clubs for LA listed on the Judo Info Site are
imaginary, Dim?
>> A continual
>>> conversation with shitheel would keep you occupied.
>> ----You mean like the one I'm having now?
>
> You mean the braindead monologue you are attempting to say is a
> conversation.
----You mean the like imaginary judo dojos with websites in your area?
>>> I used to belong to this club in the early 1970s when a grad student. It
>>> was not much then; and it is still not much.
>> ----Judo's what you make of it, Dim....
>
> Spare me the inane platitudes.
----Poor Dim....has to have a sensei to lead him by the hand, can't
possibly make observations for himself....yet pays good money to get
slapped around at a SD seminar....
>>> When Heyung Kimm opened a commercial dojo in the 1970s it thrived.
>>> Unfortunately, he switched to Hapkido and then his own system HanMudo.
>>> Much more lucrative for him though.
>>> The university will not permit any private pay instructors on campus.
>>> That protects the yos yos they have there, who are usually not very good.
>> ----How do you quantify "good" Dim? Trophies in the window?
>
> Shitty is shitty no matter that you keep trying to pick up turds by the
> clean end.
-----You haven't described how the Judo club you attended was "no
good"...did you get slapped around like you did recently at some seminar
you paid big bucks to attend? Couldn't take being thrown? Didn't like
to bow?
>> Kind of
>>> like govt health care.
>> ----You seem to enjoy yours....
>
> That is funny cause I just fired a Doctor.
----You mean you switched doctors....I doubt he'll be out of work
because of you, Dim....
You are babbling again.
---Really? Tricare's not govt administered?
>>> Any questions?
>> -----So, there are Judo clubs, but not "commercial McDojo's"? Gotcha,
>> Dim....most clubs that compete are non profit orgs....my son's is one of
>> them,
>
> That figures. No one willing to pay him, Dump?
----Sure...he makes enough to cover the rent and utilities at the dojo,
Dim. A club where the Yudansha actually outnumber the mudansha. That's
not "good" enough for you, Dim?
Or do you need a TKD huckster to make you feel safe by tying a black
belt around your waist after cleaning out your wallet?
>
> and they bring back trophies galore..
>
> So is that how you define good? Trophies in the window, Dump?
Indeed, I'd say a club that is successful in tournament is good,
Dim.....but, of course it's not the only qualifier....
But to you, they're not successful unless the sensei drives a Lincoln,
eh, Dim?
Nothing can possibly have value if you don't pay a lot for it, eh, Dim?
> .sorry you can't find a place
>> that hits your wallet a little harder....
>
> Dont need one, Dump.
----Yes, you *are* a little old for Judo, Dim....it's a tough art, you
would probably injure yourself permanently the very first week...keep
getting slapped around at seminars that hit your wallet, that's more
your speed....
Sorry you cant find one that lives soley by your
> creed - to each according to his need - from each according to his ability;
> and fuck self iniative, individual accomplishment, and hard work.
----Hard work, individual accomplishment.....never got above the white
belt rank in Judo, eh, Dim?
Herbert Cannon
> ----You don't live in Louisiana? One of 'em's right in NO....didn't look
> at the links at all, did ya?
> Or did you want one that was right down the street?
> What does this do to the guy's theory of Judo's unpopularity?
Like I am going to make a 250 mile roundtrip everytime I want to work out?
You really need to quick googling bullshit and get a fucking map you moron.
Herbert Cannon
>>
>> So is the " chocolate city; " but not very well.
>
> ----So, you didn't even try....guess that disproves your Judo popularity
> question...
Yeah I just love running around a city with a murder rate that is going thru
the roof on a 250 mile roundtrip everytime I want to work out. You are
stupid.
Herbert Cannon
>
>>> ----Just tryin to help ya, Dim....all these clubs were provided by the
>>> Judo Info site....I doubt you knew to look there...
>>>
>>
>> HAHAHA I live here you dumb shit. I doubt you have ever been stuck on the
>> Atchaflaya express way either.
>
> ----And, all these clubs in LA listed themselves as available on *one*
> site....I have no doubt there are others not listed...
>
I have no doubt you really dont have a clue what you are yapping about
either.
>>> I know
>>>> it is hard for a know it all like yourself; but it is stupid.
>>> ----I doubt you actually pursued Judo clubs in your area, Dim....they
>>> are all over the place, it seems...
>>
>> Sure they are you brainless twit. You google something on the internet
>> and become an instant expert on something you know nothing about. What a
>> fucking joke.
>
> ----All the Judo clubs for LA listed on the Judo Info Site are imaginary,
> Dim?
I just love 300 mile round trips everytime I want to work out, Dump. Grow a
fucking brain.
>
>>> A continual
>>>> conversation with shitheel would keep you occupied.
>>> ----You mean like the one I'm having now?
>>
>> You mean the braindead monologue you are attempting to say is a
>> conversation.
>
> ----You mean the like imaginary judo dojos with websites in your area?
In my area. You mean in the state in Louisiana. I will google some up for
Florida and you can drive to them you silly ass. Lets see there must be one
in the northern tip and the southern tip you can run to. Do try and get some
knowledge of the area you are googling so you dont look so much like a fool
dump.
>
>
> ----Poor Dim....has to have a sensei to lead him by the hand, can't
> possibly make observations for himself....yet pays good money to get
> slapped around at a SD seminar....
Poor Dump he is such a clown he uses a real gun to work out with and with a
clown cop too. Keep it up dump you are not long for this world.
>
>
> -----You haven't described how the Judo club you attended was "no good"...
Because is was not. Simple answer but boviously much too complicated for
you to understand
did you get slapped around like you did recently at some seminar
> you paid big bucks to attend?
$25 is big bucks to you. Damn Dump you are really poor. No wonder you need
govt care. You need to get another job.
Couldn't take being thrown?
Unfortunately, Dump I can no longer be thrown because of a Greenfield filter
in my vena cava. Throws could now kill me. That is one reason I gave up Judo
awhile back. Does that answer your question. You can stop braying now,
jackass.
Didn't like
> to bow?
>
>>> Kind of
>>>> like govt health care.
>>> ----You seem to enjoy yours....
>>
>> That is funny cause I just fired a Doctor.
>
> ----You mean you switched doctors....I doubt he'll be out of work because
> of you, Dim....
No I fired this one, Dump. He was not much interested in treating govt
patients and pretty much showed it. That is what you get when you have to
rely on govt care. No one really gives a shit about good work. They get paid
anyway.
Funny you should metion it though cause I just got an e mail from a friend
yesterday saying that his son in law, who is an orthopedic surgeon, is no
longer taking medicare patients. Funny how I am having such a good time with
this govt care only you and the Dems think is so wonderful.
Do me a favor, dont do me anymore favors.
>
>
>>
>> So is that how you define good? Trophies in the window, Dump?
>
>
> Indeed, I'd say a club that is successful in tournament is good,
> Dim.....but, of course it's not the only qualifier....
Yeah it got to be real cheap too.
> But to you, they're not successful unless the sensei drives a Lincoln, eh,
> Dim?
Jealous of success again are you. Figures. I really dont give a shit what he
drives Dump. I care about the instruction I get and that is all.
> Nothing can possibly have value if you don't pay a lot for it, eh, Dim?
You expect your lunches to be free dont you, Dump? Everything is a handout
from the govt isnt it Dump.
>
>> .sorry you can't find a place
>>> that hits your wallet a little harder....
>>
>> Dont need one, Dump.
>
> ----Yes, you *are* a little old for Judo, Dim....it's a tough art, you
> would probably injure yourself permanently the very first week
Already explained that to you, fool.
...keep
> getting slapped around at seminars that hit your wallet, that's more your
> speed....
Begging with a tin cup and a monkey is yours.
>
> Sorry you cant find one that lives soley by your
>> creed - to each according to his need - from each according to his
>> ability; and fuck self iniative, individual accomplishment, and hard
>> work.
>
> ----Hard work, individual accomplishment.....never got above the white
> belt rank in Judo, eh, Dim?
Far above it. Nice try, Dump. I dont write resumes for internit twits and
fools like you.
YumYumPandaburger
> I am reading this article in a magazine called " Classical Fighting Arts;"
> and there is an article in it entitled " The Future of Olympic Style
> Karate." Anyway there is a statement in the article that says: " When Judo
> became an olympic sport in 1964, it went into decline in popularity from
> which it never recovered."
> The article goes on to say: " Prior to 1964 Judo was the most widespread
> martial discipline in the west, today it is difficult to find a judo dojo
> even in major cities - living proof that martial arts do not a good sport
> make!"
> Did judo go into decline and never recover because it became sport? Is the
> writer correct? I thought it would be opposite. Is it because some of the
> techniques are no longer taught and emphasized?
Who knows how many judo dojos there are in major cities. Where I live
there seems to be a small judo dojo in every small village though.
Neil Gendzwill
>
> Not here. No commercial dojos in this city and we are a fair size one with a
> large university - LSU.
Since when are there any legit commercial judo dojo anywhere?
Neil
Neil Gendzwill
>
> Judo has declined somewhat from the heights of its popularity but it's
> to the decline has been an over-emphasis on Olympic, "sport," style Judo
> competition in order to keep "real."
Judoka have never had much problem with competition. It's just that the Olympics have been responsible for changing the rules and
therefore much of the flavour of judo.
Do you know there are some competition dojo that train minimal or no ukemi and ne-waza? A good breakfall is just a signal to the
judge that you got thrown, and you'll get stood up fast anyways so no need to train for the ground...
Neil
Greendistantstar
This has been an issue for a long time and was one of the reasons I left Judo.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Herbert Cannon
"Neil Gendzwill" <ngend...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:V76dnQVsebxild_W...@posted.sasktel...
What did somebody steal your wallet in the locker room?
Neil Gendzwill
I meant that any judo dojo I've been involved with or seen has been a non-profit organization.
Neil
suds mcduff
----Don't need a map, Dim....it's clear that you didn't research the
topic at all....
suds mcduff
>>> So is the " chocolate city; " but not very well.
>> ----So, you didn't even try....guess that disproves your Judo popularity
>> question...
>
> Yeah I just love running around a city with a murder rate that is going thru
> the roof
----Well, gee, looked like from the club website the members are mostly
white.....kinda makes you look a little gutless, eh, Dim?
on a 250 mile roundtrip everytime I want to work out. You are
> stupid.
----Gee, Dim, I didn't know you lived in Bumfuckt, LA.....Do they have a
gas station in your little shithole?
suds mcduff
> "suds mcduff" <sudsmcd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hhqh55$gq7$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> ----Just tryin to help ya, Dim....all these clubs were provided by the
>>>> Judo Info site....I doubt you knew to look there...
>>>>
>>> HAHAHA I live here you dumb shit. I doubt you have ever been stuck on the
>>> Atchaflaya express way either.
>> ----And, all these clubs in LA listed themselves as available on *one*
>> site....I have no doubt there are others not listed...
>>
>
> I have no doubt you really dont have a clue what you are yapping about
> either.
>
>>>> I know
>>>>> it is hard for a know it all like yourself; but it is stupid.
>>>> ----I doubt you actually pursued Judo clubs in your area, Dim....they
>>>> are all over the place, it seems...
>>> Sure they are you brainless twit. You google something on the internet
>>> and become an instant expert on something you know nothing about. What a
>>> fucking joke.
>> ----All the Judo clubs for LA listed on the Judo Info Site are imaginary,
>> Dim?
>
> I just love 300 mile round trips everytime I want to work out, Dump. Grow a
> fucking brain.
----You didn't answer the question again, Dim.....
>
>>>> A continual
>>>>> conversation with shitheel would keep you occupied.
>>>> ----You mean like the one I'm having now?
>>> You mean the braindead monologue you are attempting to say is a
>>> conversation.
>> ----You mean the like imaginary judo dojos with websites in your area?
>
> In my area. You mean in the state in Louisiana.
----And, none of them are anywhere near Bumfukt, LA.....I'm sure there
are many more not registered ion the site, but you haven't bothered to
research them...
I will google some up for
> Florida and you can drive to them you silly ass.
----I have visited many of the dojos in south fl, Dim...
Lets see there must be one
> in the northern tip and the southern tip you can run to. Do try and get some
> knowledge of the area you are googling so you dont look so much like a fool
> dump.
----Suuuure, Dim....I just provided you with several dojos you didn't
even know existed.....you didn't reasearch any at all, did ya, Dim?
>>
>> ----Poor Dim....has to have a sensei to lead him by the hand, can't
>> possibly make observations for himself....yet pays good money to get
>> slapped around at a SD seminar....
>
> Poor Dump he is such a clown he uses a real gun to work out with and with a
> clown cop too.
----Real gun, real cop.....keep getting slapped around in SD seminars,
Cletus...
Keep it up dump you are not long for this world.
>>
>> -----You haven't described how the Judo club you attended was "no good"...
>
> Because is was not. Simple answer but boviously much too complicated for
> you to understand
----I think when you took a couple throws you walked out like you did
when the punk slapped you at the seminar...
>
> did you get slapped around like you did recently at some seminar
>> you paid big bucks to attend?
>
> $25 is big bucks to you.
---It is for a one time demo where you get slapped around by a punk....
Damn Dump you are really poor. No wonder you need
> govt care. You need to get another job.
>
> Couldn't take being thrown?
>
> Unfortunately, Dump I can no longer be thrown because of a Greenfield filter
> in my vena cava. Throws could now kill me. That is one reason I gave up Judo
> awhile back.
----I don't think you were in Judo mat all, Dim....
Does that answer your question. You can stop braying now,
> jackass.
----No, Dim, I don't feel sorry for you....
>
> Didn't like
>> to bow?
>>
>>>> Kind of
>>>>> like govt health care.
>>>> ----You seem to enjoy yours....
>>> That is funny cause I just fired a Doctor.
>> ----You mean you switched doctors....I doubt he'll be out of work because
>> of you, Dim....
>
> No I fired this one, Dump.
----No, Dim, you quit...he still has his job...
He was not much interested in treating govt
> patients and pretty much showed it. That is what you get when you have to
> rely on govt care. No one really gives a shit about good work. They get paid
> anyway.
> Funny you should metion it though cause I just got an e mail from a friend
> yesterday saying that his son in law, who is an orthopedic surgeon, is no
> longer taking medicare patients. Funny how I am having such a good time with
> this govt care only you and the Dems think is so wonderful.
> Do me a favor, dont do me anymore favors.
>>
>>> So is that how you define good? Trophies in the window, Dump?
>>
>> Indeed, I'd say a club that is successful in tournament is good,
>> Dim.....but, of course it's not the only qualifier....
>
> Yeah it got to be real cheap too.
---Wins in Judo tournaments don't come cheap, Dim...
>
>> But to you, they're not successful unless the sensei drives a Lincoln, eh,
>> Dim?
>
> Jealous of success again are you.
----Jealous of non profit orgs, are ya, Dim?
Figures. I really dont give a shit what he
> drives Dump.
----Just as long as he displays his wealth, eh, Dim?
I care about the instruction I get and that is all.
-----No you don't, Dim....you care about how much the instruction
costs....attaching value to cost...
>
>> Nothing can possibly have value if you don't pay a lot for it, eh, Dim?
>
> You expect your lunches to be free dont you, Dump? Everything is a handout
> from the govt isnt it Dump.
----Let's get back to the non profit dojo's eh, Dim? You're mind is
wandering again...
>>> .sorry you can't find a place
>>>> that hits your wallet a little harder....
>>> Dont need one, Dump.
>> ----Yes, you *are* a little old for Judo, Dim....it's a tough art, you
>> would probably injure yourself permanently the very first week
>
> Already explained that to you, fool.
----Yes...in this post, you fool...
>
> ...keep
>> getting slapped around at seminars that hit your wallet, that's more your
>> speed....
>
> Begging with a tin cup and a monkey is yours.
----Sorry, Dim, I don't attach value to price the way you do....
>> Sorry you cant find one that lives soley by your
>>> creed - to each according to his need - from each according to his
>>> ability; and fuck self iniative, individual accomplishment, and hard
>>> work.
>> ----Hard work, individual accomplishment.....never got above the white
>> belt rank in Judo, eh, Dim?
>
> Far above it. Nice try, Dump.
----Suuuure you did, Dim....what organization did you join?
I dont write resumes for internit twits and
> fools like you.
----That's because you're lying, Dim....
suds mcduff
----Dim doesn't think much about non profit orgs....he believes the more
you pay, the better it is....
suds mcduff
----Yup, I had a sensei like that....still most clubs I've been to warm
up with 20 min or so of ne waza before randori
Neil Gendzwill
>
> ----Yup, I had a sensei like that....still most clubs I've been to warm
> up with 20 min or so of ne waza before randori
As does mine. Actually space is so limited that where we fall down is a lack of standing randori. We only have room for 3 pairs
(and that's tight) and devote maybe 15 minutes to it per class. So my ground game is pretty good but my standing game needs a lot
of work. That shows up when I enter tournaments.
Neil
suds mcduff
> suds mcduff wrote:
>> ----Yup, I had a sensei like that....still most clubs I've been to warm
>> up with 20 min or so of ne waza before randori
>
> As does mine. Actually space is so limited that where we fall down is a lack of standing randori.
----Yeah, it's tough when you can't practice on a regulation sized mat.....
We only have room for 3 pairs
> (and that's tight) and devote maybe 15 minutes to it per class.
----Do you ever practice mock shiai's to go over the rules and tactics
before you enter the real thing? My son plays in a serious "shiai" dojo
where the month before shiai is devoted to this....
So my ground game is pretty good but my standing game needs a lot
> of work. That shows up when I enter tournaments.
---My main club had a lack of Yudansha to train with, I usually ended up
being over matched in age *and* experience....however, I did ok within
my category.....over 40 gokyus!
suds mcduff
---The Dimbulb will find that irrelevant, since they don't make a ton of
money.....
Herbert Cannon
What is perfectly clear is that you dont know shit about this area and dont
know what you are yapping about.
Herbert Cannon
> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>> So is the " chocolate city; " but not very well.
>>> ----So, you didn't even try....guess that disproves your Judo popularity
>>> question...
>>
>> Yeah I just love running around a city with a murder rate that is going
>> thru the roof
>
>
> ----Well, gee, looked like from the club website the members are mostly
> white.....kinda makes you look a little gutless, eh, Dim?
No it makes you look brainless.
>
> on a 250 mile roundtrip everytime I want to work out. You are
>> stupid.
>
> ----Gee, Dim, I didn't know you lived in Bumfuckt, LA.....Do they have a
> gas station in your little shithole?
>
What they dont have is a shitasses like you.
Herbert Cannon
You just love to stalk me dont you? How flattering to see a fool like you
waste all that time. Get a life.
Herbert Cannon
> I dont write resumes for internit twits and
>> fools like you.
>
> ----That's because you're lying, Dim....
>
the other hand, have no choice. You are stupid and will remain so.
YumYumPandaburger
The Herb will find it irrelevant because he doesn't live in such a
city. In fact he doesn't live outside of the US. No, sir, there be
giants and monsters and maybe even a muslim or three outside of the
US.
Therefore any data from outside of the US extreme right media or his
own mental Herbistan are incorrect, fraudulent lies that are just not
true. Or relevant to his interests.
Neil Gendzwill
>
> ----Do you ever practice mock shiai's to go over the rules and tactics
> before you enter the real thing? My son plays in a serious "shiai" dojo
> where the month before shiai is devoted to this....
No, it's a recreational club so shiai really isn't the focus. I have suggested that they run a special class once in a while for
people who are interested, so far they ran one but I wasn't able to attend. Actually at this stage I'd like to get some seminar
time in for learning to ref but that doesn't seem to get organized anywhere - they just expect you to absorb it somehow by osmosis
and then try your hand starting with the kids.
I do run shiai keiko in my kendo club, we'll do one or two classes devoted to it. We spar all the time so that's not the issue -
it's more, what are the ref's commands, how does the scoring work, what's the etiquette, watch out for these penalties, etc.
Neil
PS, the Saskatchewan Open is coming up the 30th this month, I'll let you know how my son and I did. Last year the only other guy in
my division was godan, he creamed me.
suds mcduff
existed.....doubtless there are many more....
suds mcduff
> "suds mcduff" <sudsmcd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hi73bb$vvs$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>>> So is the " chocolate city; " but not very well.
>>>> ----So, you didn't even try....guess that disproves your Judo popularity
>>>> question...
>>> Yeah I just love running around a city with a murder rate that is going
>>> thru the roof
>>
>> ----Well, gee, looked like from the club website the members are mostly
>> white.....kinda makes you look a little gutless, eh, Dim?
>
> No it makes you look brainless.
----Well, gosh, Dim, a little white girl's not askeered to go to the NO
Judo club...why are you?
>> on a 250 mile roundtrip everytime I want to work out. You are
>>> stupid.
>> ----Gee, Dim, I didn't know you lived in Bumfuckt, LA.....Do they have a
>> gas station in your little shithole?
>>
> What they dont have is a shitasses like you.
------Shitasses for a shithole, Dim....
suds mcduff
>> I dont write resumes for internit twits and
>>> fools like you.
>> ----That's because you're lying, Dim....
>>
> Well I have on occasion been a liar.
----Glad to see you admit it, Dim...you're also a poser...
But that is a matter of choice. You, on
> the other hand, have no choice. You are stupid and will remain so.
----And the "stupid" one outed you as a liar and a poser....What does
that make you, Dim? Sub idiot?
suds mcduff
---OK, great...
Last year the only other guy in
> my division was godan, he creamed me.
----HaHa! Sounds like my shiais.....the only 40+ gokyu in the room!
suds mcduff
----Nah, an inconsequential dummy like you takes up very little time...
Get a life.
---Says the guy whose whole life is RMA.....
suds mcduff
> On 9 jan, 15:54, suds mcduff <sudsmcduff19...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> YumYumPandaburger wrote:
>>> On 28 dec 2009, 04:52, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> I am reading this article in a magazine called " Classical Fighting Arts;"
>>>> and there is an article in it entitled " The Future of Olympic Style
>>>> Karate." Anyway there is a statement in the article that says: " When Judo
>>>> became an olympic sport in 1964, it went into decline in popularity from
>>>> which it never recovered."
>>>> The article goes on to say: " Prior to 1964 Judo was the most widespread
>>>> martial discipline in the west, today it is difficult to find a judo dojo
>>>> even in major cities - living proof that martial arts do not a good sport
>>>> make!"
>>>> Did judo go into decline and never recover because it became sport? Is the
>>>> writer correct? I thought it would be opposite. Is it because some of the
>>>> techniques are no longer taught and emphasized?
>>> Who knows how many judo dojos there are in major cities. Where I live
>>> there seems to be a small judo dojo in every small village though.
>> ---The Dimbulb will find that irrelevant, since they don't make a ton of
>> money
>
> The Herb will find it irrelevant because he doesn't live in such a
> city. In fact he doesn't live outside of the US. No, sir, there be
> giants and monsters and maybe even a muslim or three outside of the
> US.
----He thinks there's monsters and such outside of Bumfukt LA, never
mind outside the US....
Daniel
I am a yudansha judoka and jujutsuka with over 35 years experience. 2
years at Kodokan 1983-85. those are my credentials.
When JK first became interested in judo becoming an olympic 'sport' he
voiced concern over whether or not the 'foreigners' would understand
it. indeed over 50 years on now, it has changed in practice, from
being a martial art/physical and mental improvement system, to, yes,
just another 'sport'...that you can 'play'!!!
For those of us that prefer the original intentions, aspects and
traditions of judo, this is quite sad. As a self defense system judo
has lost out to more commercially astute ma's who push the self
defense aspect of their ma's. Furthermore many judo teachers nowadays
have only a minimal knowledge of self defense anyway,
I'd like to see judo get back to it's original intentions
again...there has to be room for olympic style comp judo AND self
defense judo...but I am pessemistic about that happening. I myself
still drill self defense...and enjoy copious amounts of
groundwork...and with other consenting old stock) BBs we''ll include
some Kosen judo too...aswell as leglocks, neck cranks, back
cranks...etc etc.
also it's nice to practice 'illegal' throws. in a real fight they
might make a big difference!
judo has lost many potential fighters/students to bjj and other ma's.
that's the facts.
sad tho
suds mcduff
----I've found that kawazu gake is more potentally harmful to tori than
uke....
>
> judo has lost many potential fighters/students to bjj and other ma's.
> that's the facts.
>
> sad tho
----Yes, that's one of a few reasons I don't play anymore, but mostly
the result of nagging injuries.....wanted to get deeper into the art,
learn and practice all the throws, along with experimenting with SD
applications devoid of gripping rules and the like....but everyone's
interested only in competition......
Herbert Cannon
Herbert Cannon
Why would I even care that they existed. The are 200 miles away from me,
moron.
Herbert Cannon
Which is why you live where you do.
>