Please help me
Chas
I need someone to lend me some money- knowing that it will take some little
time to pay back.
I've been unusually ill for the last two months or so, and I haven't been
putting up auctions; my principle source of funds is selling off stuff on
eBay. The medications that I take render me lethargic- I'm taking upper-end
dosage amounts to handle the present level of pain that I have.
I've not borrowed money much in my whole life. I own my house and
furnishings pretty much (divorce/kids), so I'm not a bad risk for an
individual. I have some good martial arts stuff; weapons, art, books and so
on.
My PayPal is chascl...@comcast.net
Any amount is gravely needed- I've got about ten bucks, and the wolf has a
foot in my door.
--
Chas
http://www.jacksandsaps.com/
Rabid Weasel Lawson
BTW, please email me the details of your Lulu storefront so I can upload
the DVD and we can get that going. Some DVD sales would, no doubt, be
helpful.
Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
Justin
: I'm desperate.
: I need someone to lend me some money- knowing that it will take some little
: time to pay back.
Early in 2007 (yes, that's right) I sent you a check for a KeyPal because
at that time you also needed money, also badly.
I never got the KeyPal or a refund, only a few excuses about why you
couldn't get the thing shipped. Mind you, the check cleared pretty fast,
so I gather that wasn't a problem.
Fair warning to others who are giving away their hard-earned cash so
generously. If you know Chas personally then you can justifiably call me
heartless and send a check. If you don't (and I don't) then you might be
just sending your money into an unknown hole.
Justin
nemo_outis
If hard times someday come upon you, pray that others will be less mean-
spirited than you show yourself today.
Regards,
Greendistantstar
"Justin" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
news:g804lp$839$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
I purchased two saps at the same time for the same reasons and have
yet to receive my purchase.
I can live with waiting more than 18 months...hell...I can live
with never getting them, but I do find galling:
1) No unsolicited updates. C'mon Chas, an email every three months
or so just to let unfulfilled customers know you haven't forgotten
about them is not too much to ask.
2) Two subsequent offers to sell items here, yet no mention was
made of any delivery issues/delays, which clearly still exist.
If Chas could find a way to the Post Office, not only would he be
able to fulfil those orders, he just might find that action leads
to more orders.
According to my reckoning, the nearest Post Office from Chas is 300
metres away, the next about eight blocks.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Renli
> "Justin" <n...@spam.com> wrote innews:g804lp$839$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu:
>
> If hard times someday come upon you, pray that others will be less mean-
> spirited than you show yourself today.
>
> Regards,
I do wonder why there are several people who are yet to receive items
they paid for, while at the same time Chas claims his current
principal source of income is selling things on eBay.
Then there is the question of how Chas gets food, if he doesn't go out
and get it himself (and carry it home) then certainly he has someone
to run errands for him.
But I don't know Chas well, or his situation. There *are* valid and
logical reasons why this is so; for example, during the time the
aforementioned unshipped orders were purchased, Chas could have spent
the money on food, and is now unable to buy materials for *those*
orders; while yet still being able to process *current* orders.
Secondly he may be buying food off the internet, you can do this, and
they will deliver it to your door. So, don't jump to any conclusions,
Chas is probably doing the best he can.
Maybe just order another product from chas and consider the original
payment as "goodwill". I wouldn't ask him to make something I paid for
a long time ago; consider his current situation; he doesn't have the
money to be (effectively) giving things away in his current state. Let
him recouperate; let him build up his business again; then ask.
Just trying to be logical.
-
nemo_outis
news:8af8d1cb-39fa-4a36...@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
What part of "the man has a terrible chronic illness, is in constant
racking pain, is taking strong medication that has serious side effects,
cannot concentrate mentally or perform physically, and has nearly exhausted
his financial resources" do you not understand?
Why don't you demand "a pound of flesh" from him in lieu of delivery of the
goods ordered?
Regards,
Renli
> Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote innews:8af8d1cb-39fa-4a36...@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
>
> What part of "the man has a terrible chronic illness, is in constant
> racking pain, is taking strong medication that has serious side effects,
> cannot concentrate mentally or perform physically, and has nearly exhausted
> his financial resources" do you not understand?
The part where Chas says "my principle source of funds is selling off
stuff on
eBay." That's a quote. It's just a question; and a valid one - how
does Chas justify selling his gear on eBay if he can't sell it to the
good members here?
At any rate you clearly did not read or comprehend my post, as I did
speculate two valid reasons why Chas might have not done so. I don't
hate Chas, I feel for him, and I understand where he's coming from.
> Why don't you demand "a pound of flesh" from him in lieu of delivery of the
> goods ordered?
Because I'm not like that. You DID read the part of my message where I
said, and I quote, "Let him recouperate; let him build up his business
again; then ask."?
Or are you just fucking stoopid?
Anyways since we're asking - why don't *you* demand a pound of flesh?
-
nemo_outis
news:34e12a8c-8423-4095...@n38g2000prl.googlegroups.com:
You really are a consummate moron!
Renli
> Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote innews:34e12a8c-8423-4095...@n38g2000prl.googlegroups.com:
>
> You really are a consummate moron!
Yep, just like I called it. Fucking stoopid.
-
Justin
: What part of "the man has a terrible chronic illness, is in constant
: racking pain, is taking strong medication that has serious side effects,
: cannot concentrate mentally or perform physically, and has nearly exhausted
: his financial resources" do you not understand?
You need to understand that first off, I don't know Chas. As far as I'm
concerned he's one of many dozens of people I've been in contact with over
the internet. He posts stuff and has a web page where it looks like he
makes and sells high-quality work. I have no idea if he really makes and
sells high quality work. I simply do not know Chas. I know Chas as well
as you know me. That is to say, not at all.
In light of that, over a year ago he posts that he's sick and needs to
sell some work for money. I'm sympathetic, the guy seems decent and in
need. I send in a check. The check clears in a hurry but the order is
not delivered. I hear nothing unless I send Chas an email in which case I
hear excuses.
So you should understand that this is how scammers operate. Now I'm not
saying that Chas is a scammer, just that from my end he's acting like one
and I've no way of differentiating. I don't know him, don't know if he's
really some guy who's sick, don't know if my next check will fall into a
black hole or what. But from what I do know I'll be damned if I send more
money or recommend that anyone else does.
Feel free to send your own.
Justin
Fraser Johnston
Just sent you some money mate. I figure you have provided enough
amusement over the years to warrant it. And I know you wouldn't ask
unless you were desperate.
Fraser
Mark Goldberg
>
> I never got the KeyPal or a refund, only a few excuses about why you
> couldn't get the thing shipped. Mind you, the check cleared pretty fast,
> so I gather that wasn't a problem.
>
> Fair warning to others who are giving away their hard-earned cash so
> generously. If you know Chas personally then you can justifiably call me
> heartless and send a check. If you don't (and I don't) then you might be
> just sending your money into an unknown hole.
>
> Justin
>
Unlike the other few who ordered items that weren't delivered, I knew,
before Chas knew, what he was up against....I knew it'd be impossible
for him to make good, and I also knew, he meant to deliver.
I only hoped I was wrong, about the diagnosis, but I also knew, that I
wasn't.....
And I know that in his heart he wants to get that much better to make
good on the 'loan'.
So I have no illusions, even now. People have killed themselves from the
level of disruption in their lives, their utter disability and inability
to function, let alone earn.
Chas.....Don't worry about paying me back.....get well.
You hear me.
And Justin, can you imagine how much pain a man has to have to beg for
assistance....?
Mark
Mark Goldberg
>
> I never got the KeyPal or a refund, only a few excuses about why you
> couldn't get the thing shipped. Mind you, the check cleared pretty fast,
> so I gather that wasn't a problem.
He couldn't move without pain.
He used it to eat.....
Let it go....
Mark
Mark Goldberg
...The check clears in a hurry but the order is
> not delivered. I hear nothing unless I send Chas an email in which case I
> hear excuses.
>
> So you should understand that this is how scammers operate. Now I'm not
> saying that Chas is a scammer, just that from my end he's acting like one
> and I've no way of differentiating. I don't know him, don't know if he's
> really some guy who's sick, don't know if my next check will fall into a
> black hole or what. But from what I do know I'll be damned if I send more
> money or recommend that anyone else does.
>
> Feel free to send your own.
Then don't send any. And Let me assure you- that one day of what he has,
might lead you to buy a gun and shoot yourself.
And I know what I'm speaking of.... you don't.
He never wanted to believe, that he wouldn't wake up and be better,
enough to fulfill his obligations. If he did, he'd have gone mad. He has
lost everything. And yet...he is alive, and finally may have the chance
to get treatment that he couldn't get and which left him .... helpless.
He never wanted to believe it, he never wanted to have to discuss it, he
never wanted to have to beg. I had to beg him to get even the medicaid
clinic assistance that he was too proud and too pained to get.
He was in agony, and never sent out bs emails about it's in the mail and
coming tommorrow and all that. I'm rather glad that he didn't. That was
the easy evidence that he wasn't merely a scammer. He was merely and
utterly sick, and helpless.
Oh... I have a sap from chas, from five years ago- fine quality stuff.
It had a minor defect that I emailed chas about a couple years after I
got it from him, and it's appearance lead him to volunteer to fix it but
I chose the gorilla glue and that's held up for two years with no
problems. Feels nice in the hand.
If he could deliver, he would.... he can't. He's had to ask for
assistance. I know how difficult that must be.
Can you imagine?
Don't send anything. But please, let it go.
Mark
Mark Goldberg
>
> Just sent you some money mate. I figure you have provided enough
> amusement over the years to warrant it. And I know you wouldn't ask
> unless you were desperate.
Here, here.... and let's hope that lulu account bit goes up so people
can download that cane cd and get something back and give something for
chas.
Mark
Jerry B. Altzman
> Why don't you demand "a pound of flesh" from him in lieu of delivery of the
> goods ordered?
That would make sense if it were ME commenting, not Oliver.
As it is, I'm planning my donation.
//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman jba...@altzman.com www.jbaltz.com
thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe.
Jerry B. Altzman
> The part where Chas says "my principle source of funds is selling off
> stuff on
> eBay." That's a quote. It's just a question; and a valid one - how
> does Chas justify selling his gear on eBay if he can't sell it to the
> good members here?
It's his selling off existing kit, rather than manufacturing goods and
selling THOSE.
You know, eating seed corn.
h...@nospam.org
<jba...@altzman.com> wrote:
>on 2008-08-14 00:20 nemo_outis said the following:
>> Why don't you demand "a pound of flesh" from him in lieu of delivery of the
>> goods ordered?
>
>That would make sense if it were ME commenting, not Oliver.
>As it is, I'm planning my donation.
I would gladly send Chas some cash, especially if I thought it would
help provide a long term solution, but I am concerned it would only be
a very temporary stop-gap measure. He needs a more permanent solution
such as mortgage on his house, food stamps, assistance from relatives,
welfare or something like that. I believe I recall his son is living
at home. He can rent out rooms if he doesn't want a mortgage.
Millions of people are on food stamps now, it's no big deal. What
about social security? Is he collecting disability benefits? Friends
off the Internet sending cash won't help unless he has some longer
term solutions as well.
Hal
>//jbaltz
Jerry B. Altzman
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:26:40 GMT, "Jerry B. Altzman"
> <jba...@altzman.com> wrote:
>> That would make sense if it were ME commenting, not Oliver.
>> As it is, I'm planning my donation.
> I would gladly send Chas some cash, especially if I thought it would
> help provide a long term solution, but I am concerned it would only be
> a very temporary stop-gap measure. He needs a more permanent solution
If you don't have a short term, you don't have a long term.
Anyway: "In the long run, we're all dead."
> Hal
Renli
> on 2008-08-14 00:20 nemo_outis said the following:
>
> > Why don't you demand "a pound of flesh" from him in lieu of delivery of the
> > goods ordered?
>
> That would make sense if it were ME commenting, not Oliver.
> As it is, I'm planning my donation.
I offered up some reasons why things were the way they were - clearly
my post was meant to soothe people like Peter and Justin. At any rate,
yes, yes, I am not connected to this situation in any tangible way.
I'll say this though - I was very amused to find that once again, even
though what I actually said was, and I quote, there were "valid and
logical reasons" why Chas didn't ship Peter's (etc) merchandise,
people like you would choose to blind yourself to that and attack one
small part of what I said. And especially in this situation, when what
I said came after what Peter and Justin posted.
Seriously guys, you show your lack of compassion by trying to turn
this (and again, unsuccessfully) into yet another pinata thread. It
hasn't been working that way for a looong time.
-
Jerry B. Altzman
> On Aug 14, 9:26 pm, "Jerry B. Altzman" <jba...@altzman.com> wrote:
>> on 2008-08-14 00:20 nemo_outis said the following:
>>> Why don't you demand "a pound of flesh" from him in lieu of delivery of the
>>> goods ordered?
>> That would make sense if it were ME commenting, not Oliver.
>> As it is, I'm planning my donation.
> I offered up some reasons why things were the way they were - clearly
> my post was meant to soothe people like Peter and Justin. At any rate,
> yes, yes, I am not connected to this situation in any tangible way.
I was making a joke about the "pound of flesh" comment -- that it would
need to be a Jew asking for it.
> I'll say this though - I was very amused to find that once again, even
> though what I actually said was, and I quote, there were "valid and
> logical reasons" why Chas didn't ship Peter's (etc) merchandise,
> people like you would choose to blind yourself to that and attack one
> small part of what I said. And especially in this situation, when what
> I said came after what Peter and Justin posted.
You're an idiot. I never attacked ANYTHING you said. I replied to
Gerald's response to you, tongue-in-cheek. I'm sure *he* got the allusion.
> Seriously guys, you show your lack of compassion by trying to turn
> this (and again, unsuccessfully) into yet another pinata thread. It
> hasn't been working that way for a looong time.
I put my money where my mouth is.
Renli
>
> I was making a joke about the "pound of flesh" comment -- that it would
> need to be a Jew asking for it.
My name is Oliver Richman.
> > I'll say this though - I was very amused to find that once again, even
> > though what I actually said was, and I quote, there were "valid and
> > logical reasons" why Chas didn't ship Peter's (etc) merchandise,
> > people like you would choose to blind yourself to that and attack one
> > small part of what I said. And especially in this situation, when what
> > I said came after what Peter and Justin posted.
>
> You're an idiot. I never attacked ANYTHING you said. I replied to
> Gerald's response to you, tongue-in-cheek. I'm sure *he* got the allusion.
I didn't get it. It went over my head. And I certainly did think you
were attacking me slyly, as you have done in the past. I guess I
thought that because this really isn't the thread to be making jokes
in, but whatever floats your boat Jerry. I won't call you an idiot for
trying to make light of what nemo said to me. Birds of a feather works
both ways, I hear.
-
Jerry B. Altzman
> On Aug 14, 10:54 pm, "Jerry B. Altzman" <jba...@altzman.com> wrote:
>> I was making a joke about the "pound of flesh" comment -- that it would
>> need to be a Jew asking for it.
> My name is Oliver Richman.
And in Hebrew that would be...?
>> You're an idiot. I never attacked ANYTHING you said. I replied to
>> Gerald's response to you, tongue-in-cheek. I'm sure *he* got the allusion.
> I didn't get it. It went over my head. And I certainly did think you
Full stop. Thanks.
Justin
: Don't send anything. But please, let it go.
You and any others who know him personally or even don't know him but
trust him anyway are welcome to ignore me and send in your money. I very
much hope I am wrong and I hope your money is well spent. Truly.
But, that said, this is a public forum and as such the public deserves to
know another view of the same situation.
Justin
nemo_outis
> But, that said, this is a public forum and as such the public deserves
> to know another view of the same situation.
Ah yes, in the name of free speech, we must all loudly affirm your right to
bravely kick the poor bastard when he's down.
You fucking mean-spirited asshole! [BTW that's a public-service
announcement.]
roger taylor
>As it is, I'm planning my donation.
Me too. For those who think Chas is working some kind of a scam
it's a mighty poor one - certainly not worthy of the Chas I've been
reading for some time now. In fact, I'm happy to give him something if
only for the entertainment he's given me and I'm sure most of us at some
time or other have spent larger sums on sillier things. Hope it helps
him a little - hope the hell he starts getting better soon, the USA
seems to be no place to be sick
Cheers
Roger Taylor
www.hawklan.demon.co.uk/ki.htm
www.alternativeparty.org.uk
www.2asisters.org/english/
Pierre Honeyman
wrote:
> time or other have spent larger sums on sillier things. Hope it helps
> him a little - hope the hell he starts getting better soon, the USA
> seems to be no place to be sick
C'mon, let the trolls play their stupid games, but it's beneath you to
drag politics into this.
Pierre
Justin
: Ah yes, in the name of free speech, we must all loudly affirm your right to
: bravely kick the poor bastard when he's down.
You're consistently missing the point here:
I do not know Chas. All I know is he has some web pages which show some
nice work and when he asked for money for work before I sent him a check
which was quickly cashed and I got nothing but excuses.
Can you appreciate that this is EVERYTHING that I know for a fact about
Chas. I don't know for sure that he's sick, that he's real, that he's in
need, and so on. I simply DO NOT KNOW.
My intention is not to be a jerk. If I knew for a fact that everything he
says is true then yes, I would be a jerk. But I don't know if it's true.
Justin
nemo_outis
> My intention is not to be a jerk.
You have achieved it effortlessly!
Mark Goldberg
deserve a wee bit..... it's fair to share :^)
Mark
roger taylor
>wrote:
>> time or other have spent larger sums on sillier things. Hope it helps
>> him a little - hope the hell he starts getting better soon, the USA
>> seems to be no place to be sick
>C'mon, let the trolls play their stupid games, but it's beneath you to
>drag politics into this.
I can see how it might read, but actually it was just a sympathetic
observation. I keep my politics strictly UK - and besides I can rant a
damn sight better than that :-)
Mark Goldberg
> I can see how it might read, but actually it was just a sympathetic
> observation. I keep my politics strictly UK - and besides I can rant a
> damn sight better than that :-)
No worries neighbor....that wasn't even a belch when it comes to raising
the room temp.... :^)
Mark
Mike
I as well as others would be interested in your life story and
experiences not only in martial arts, but in general.
You should consider writing down, or dictating your story. Start with
"I was born in..."
-Mike K.
suds macheath
---I suggested the same years ago.
Jerry B. Altzman
> Mike wrote:
>> Chas,
>> I as well as others would be interested in your life story and
>> experiences not only in martial arts, but in general.
>> You should consider writing down, or dictating your story. Start with
>> "I was born in..."
It, of course, needs to begin with:
"It was never easy for me. I was born a poor black child. I remember the
days, sittin' on the porch with my family, singin' and dancin' down in
Mississippi."
Rabid Weasel Lawson
> Early in 2007 (yes, that's right) I sent you a check for a KeyPal because
> at that time you also needed money, also badly.
>
> I never got the KeyPal or a refund, only a few excuses about why you
> couldn't get the thing shipped. Mind you, the check cleared pretty fast,
> so I gather that wasn't a problem.
>
> Fair warning to others who are giving away their hard-earned cash so
> generously. If you know Chas personally then you can justifiably call me
> heartless and send a check. If you don't (and I don't) then you might be
> just sending your money into an unknown hole.
>
> Justin
Justin,
I don't have any of Chas' Palm-Pals but I do have videos.
Here's the offer. I'll send you any three of the videos listed below, your choice, and you consider Chas' "debt" to you "Canceled - Paid in Full."
Make your selection, send me your shipping address, and I'll do the rest.
Most videos are from the various Cumann Bhata "Recreational Violence" WMA Seminars and are a $20 value each.
Video list follows:
Cumann Bhata Western Martial Arts Seminar Spring '08
-----
*Banned from Boxing - Kirk Lawson
*Ambushed with a bowie - Allen Reed
*Fun with shillelaghs - Ken Pfrenger
*Intro to jacket wrestling - - Ken Pfrenger
*Cossack Shashka - Randal Gustitis
*Battlefield Saber - Mark Rainey
*Hangen with Liechtenauer: The use of the Hanging Guards in German Longsword - Josh Little
Cumann Bhata Western Martial Arts Seminar Spring '07
-----
*Folkstyle Wrestling - Dave Doyle
*Highland Dirk - Chris Thompson
*Grappling with the Tomahawk - Kirk Lawson
*Lang's Walkingstick Method of Self Defense - Kirk Lawson
*Drei Wunders - Josh Little
*Cunningham's Cane Method of Self Defense - Allen Reed
*Mendozas first lesson in Boxing - Ken Pfrenger
Cumann Bhata Western Martial Arts Seminar Spring '06
-----
*Integrating Boxing, Wrestling & Bata with Ken Pfrenger
*Introduction to German Longsword with Josh Little
*Tomahawk with Steve Huff
*Tomahawk and Longknife with Steve Huff (builds on the 'Hawk vid)
*19th Century Pugilism with Stephen Logan
*Regimental Highland Broadsword with Chris Thompson
*Bartitsu: The Martial Art of Sherlock Holmes with Kirk Lawson
*Swetnam's Rapier with Allen Reed
*Spear of Fiore Dei Liberi with Mark Rainey
*German Dagger with Josh Little
*Garrote Larense with Bruno Cruicchi
Cumann Bhata Western Martial Arts Seminar Spring '05
-----
*Irish cudgel with Ken Pfrenger
*Highland Broadsword with Chris Thompson
*Bowie knife with Allen Reed
*Pugilsim with Ken Pfrenger (Mendoza and Dempsey)
*Bartitsu - the martial art of Sherlock Holmes with Kirk Lawson
*Quarterstaff I with Paul Wagner
*Quarterstaff II with Paul Wagner
*German Longsword I with Josh Little
*German Longsword II with Josh Little
Cumann Bhata Western Martial Arts Seminar Fall '05
-----
*Irish cudgel with Ken Pfrenger
*Pugilsim with Ken Pfrenger
*Collar & Elbow Wrestling with Ken Pfrenger
General Vids
----
*Informal Training Sessions @ Kens (includes some basic Shillelagh, Pugilism, and Collar & Elbow Wrestling)
*Dempsey Pugilism Instruction
Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk
Rabid Weasel Lawson
> I purchased two saps at the same time for the same reasons and have
> yet to receive my purchase.
>
> I can live with waiting more than 18 months...hell...I can live
> with never getting them, but I do find galling:
I'll give you the same offer I gave Justin.
Since you've ordered two, I'll make it any 6 videos.
I'd like to offer a cane too but I don't know how soon I'd be able to make
one.
Rabid Weasel Lawson
It'd be more honest to simply say, "I'm not going to send you any money"
instead of making excuses. Or, better yet, say nothing at all.
(IH)
Herbert Cannon
"suds macheath" <sudsm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8E0pk.11141$vX2....@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
Hey that is Travis's line!
Mark Goldberg
You mean charity money....?
Now you're arguing against sending charity money, which, now that people
know how sick he has been, and how unnable he'll likely be to
remunerate....is a different kettle of fish.
He is destitute....and in severe chronic pain, which has disabled him
from meeting any of his functions regarding working.
That's why I said please let it go.
Please.... you made your point.
But then, you made another one, and it was and is unnecessary.
Charity is what you give to those in need.... period.
Let it go.
Mark
Mark Goldberg
...Is he collecting disability benefits? Friends
> off the Internet sending cash won't help unless he has some longer
> term solutions as well.
Let me say... they have been considered and there are other issues, and
it's not for me to say about these.
And yes... it's not a long term solution. But getting to a neurologist
finally is a big step. And if you prefer not to give charity, it doesn't
mean your're a bad person. But for the record... he was self employed
and has no disability benefits or insurance.
Mark
Greendistantstar
"Rabid Weasel Lawson" <lawson@NO15339SPAM+dayton.ne> wrote in
message
news:pan.2008.08.14.20.55.13.208278@NO15339SPAM+dayton.ne...
Kirk, you are way too kind :>)
I'm content to wait for my saps (which Chas says were completed
ages ago) but in the meantime, a little proactive customer support
would be nice.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Rabid Weasel Lawson
> Kirk, you are way too kind :>)
I've been hearing that a lot lately.
Last time was at the ISMAC knife tournament. I tried to voluntarily
decline a point which had been awarded to me because I believed that I had
been awarded it outside of the "spirit" of the rules, if not, strictly
speaking, outside the rules entirely. I wanted to play "fare and square"
in the spirit of the rules, not one of those wankers who tries to "game
the system." One of the judges told me later that I was "too nice."
Didn't do me any good anyway. The judges told me that, though I had the
right to request that I decline the point, they had the right to tell me
to stick it and give it to me anyway.
> I'm content to wait for my saps (which Chas says were completed
> ages ago) but in the meantime, a little proactive customer support
> would be nice.
OK. Fair enough.
Mark Goldberg
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:02:17 +0000, Greendistantstar wrote:
>
>> Kirk, you are way too kind :>)
>
> I've been hearing that a lot lately.
>
Ok, mediocre joke.
I'll go now
Mark
Greendistantstar
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:02:17 +0000, Greendistantstar wrote:
>
>> Kirk, you are way too kind :>)
>
> I've been hearing that a lot lately.
A wise man once said to me..."If you have the choice between being
right and being kind...choose kind."
In most cases, (but certainly not on usenet) I think he was right.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Pierre Honeyman
wrote:
Kirk's canes are t3h awesome though. Fuck I love mine.
Pierre
Herbert Cannon
"Greendistantstar" <pde63539r...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> I'm content to wait for my saps (which Chas says were completed ages ago)
> but in the meantime, a little proactive customer support would be nice.
>
extra one made by Chas - e mail directly and I will send you my extra. But
please wait about 6 or 7 days as I am leaving on a trip.
It may not be exactly what you wanted.
h...@nospam.org
<jba...@altzman.com> wrote:
>on 2008-08-14 16:34 suds macheath said the following:
>> Mike wrote:
>>> Chas,
>>> I as well as others would be interested in your life story and
>>> experiences not only in martial arts, but in general.
>>> You should consider writing down, or dictating your story. Start with
>>> "I was born in..."
>> ---I suggested the same years ago.
>
>It, of course, needs to begin with:
>"It was never easy for me. I was born a poor black child. I remember the
>days, sittin' on the porch with my family, singin' and dancin' down in
>Mississippi."
You have my last name tattooed right there under the
j's! First I get my name in the phone book and now I'm on your
ass! You know, I bet more people see that than the phone book!
loved that movie.
Hal
>
>//jbaltz
Greendistantstar
"Herbert Cannon" <hcan...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Greendistantstar" <pde63539r...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in
> message news:Js5pk.28420$IK1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> I'm content to wait for my saps (which Chas says were completed
>> ages ago) but in the meantime, a little proactive customer
>> support would be nice.
>>
> Peter I do not think Chas will recover enough to finish your sap.
Hi Herb. According to Chas, it was made pretty much by the time I
paid for it.
Chas' issue has been his inability to post it.
> I have an extra one made by Chas - e mail directly and I will
> send you my extra. But please wait about 6 or 7 days as I am
> leaving on a trip.
> It may not be exactly what you wanted.
That's brilliant. I'll email you.
Cheers
GDS
"Let's roll!"
suds macheath
---So, you'd rather Chas suffer than apply for govt relief?
Pboud
worthwhile in them.
Nice mis-read though.
P.
Herbert Cannon
>> It'd be more honest to simply say, "I'm not going to send you any money"
>> instead of making excuses. Or, better yet, say nothing at all.
>>
>> (IH)
>
> ---So, you'd rather Chas suffer than apply for govt relief?
Typical.
suds macheath
---I calls em how I sees em. It's no secret that Lawson's one of the
anti govt crowd....
Finding out if he's on food stamps and disability is useless information?
Interesting.....
suds macheath
---Would you? It's no secret your ilk hates the govt programs mentioned....
Herbert Cannon
Would I what? It is no secret you are a conclusion jumping dumbass.
What I hate is your touting of give away programs, that use others' money
and not your own, to those who make suckers of you, such as the so called
homeless you whine incessantly about. Your kind of programs merely encourage
the worst and add to the poor.
For those who are disabled, stricken with severe illnesses, members of the
WORKING poor, or have done something to earn subsidies ( such as disabled
soldiers), I have no problem supporting. For those you whine about - people
who are on the dole for five generations - I will remind you that it was
President Clinton who signed the workfare legislation and removed them from
the dole. Guess what, they did not starve like you predicted.
So take your hair shirt guilt complex and inane hate spewing and stick it
where the sun dont shine.
Rabid Weasel Lawson
>> I'd like to offer a cane too but I don't know how soon I'd be able to make
>> one.
>
> Kirk's canes are t3h awesome though. Fuck I love mine.
>
> Pierre
Pierre,
I really enjoyed making yours. Mulberry wood. The wood itself has a nice smooth
color and the bark has a lovely reddish hue that finishes out very nicely.
The only problem is that my mulberry tree is small and I can't trim out of it very
often, at least not if I want to keep having a mulberry tree. :-)
However, I have a good stock of Ornamental Pear wood that has a nice wood color and
produces wonderfully "bumpy" shafts along the branch. Oozes character.
I've also got a nice stash of assorted other stuff, Mapple, etc.
I'm just chock-full to my eyeballs with projects and stuff.
Right now, I'm working out a design to use Muscle-Man "pen" type "stun guns" as swappable
handle cartridges in some customed up "Shock Knives" that I've envisioned. Materials
and all, it should be under $100 per knife. Way cheaper than the $300 per knife that
they ask for the real brand name Shockknives.
Rabid Weasel Lawson
>>> I would gladly send Chas some cash, especially if I thought it would
>>> help provide a long term solution, but I am concerned it would only be
>>> a very temporary stop-gap measure. He needs a more permanent solution
>>> such as mortgage on his house, food stamps, assistance from relatives,
>>> welfare or something like that. I believe I recall his son is living
>>> at home. He can rent out rooms if he doesn't want a mortgage.
>>> Millions of people are on food stamps now, it's no big deal. What
>>> about social security? Is he collecting disability benefits? Friends
>>> off the Internet sending cash won't help unless he has some longer
>>> term solutions as well.
>>
>> It'd be more honest to simply say, "I'm not going to send you any money"
>> instead of making excuses. Or, better yet, say nothing at all.
>>
>> (IH)
>
> ---So, you'd rather Chas suffer than apply for govt relief?
Not what I said.
What I said was that I'd rather hal not say, "Well, gee, I'd really like to
help you out but A) it wouldn't do any good, B) there are already government
programs so let someone else do it, and C) have you tried mortgaging your
house?"
Yeah, capstone of compassion there.
Oh, and I just gotta ask, did you *deliberately* misread what I wrote or are
you just dense? :P
(IH)
Herbert Cannon
>
> ---I calls em how I sees em.
You calls them how you want them. You are so brainwashed you are incapable
of seeing anything.
It's no secret that Lawson's one of the
> anti govt crowd....
It is no secret that Lawson has offered his own products in place of Chas to
help Chas out. Anyone who does not share your dogma that big brother govt
should control their life is suspect in your eyes.
> Finding out if he's on food stamps and disability is useless information?
Do you think that govt programs are served like fast food?
> Interesting.....
Dumb.
Rabid Weasel Lawson
Apparently it's also no secret that you're either trolling or deliberately
overlaying your inaccurate template to what I said.
And, for the record, I'm most definitely *NOT* an Anarchist.
> Finding out if he's on food stamps and disability is useless information?
> Interesting.....
Which wasn't what hal was doing. Nowhere did hal attempt to find out if
he was on food stamps or disability. He was suggesting them as an option
in lieu of giving the requested help. duh.
(IH)
Herbert Cannon
Just some more hatemongering perhaps?
pboud
who's first call out is to a faceless newsgroup, not having considered
*any* of the available support structures.
P.
Chas
> Early in 2007 (yes, that's right) I sent you a check for a KeyPal because
> at that time you also needed money, also badly.
I'm very sorry than this health condition has hit me so badly-
I've been virtually bed-ridden and completely house-bound since 2005
(December). I was able to work somewhat, and given some assurance that the
medical regimen would return me to work, day by day. Mark Goldberg will tell
you that I've expected to return to a working schedule in the studio, but
haven't been able to do so because of the debilitating pain.
Presently, I have bad days and worse days, but I wouldn't cheat anyone.
Let me figure out something I can do for you, and I will. I simply don't
have the money to reimburse you. I've been eating out of the Food Bank and
selling off my household furnishings to cover my utilities. I started an
expensive drug regimen and have been spending my money on that rather than
paying my monthlies.
Again, sorry for your inconvenience. It's been unavoidable.
You may have fallen in the cracks when my last computer died- I asked
everyone who had ordered to make it known, but I'm sure it was incomplete.
Please send me your mailing address-
Thanks for your kind patience with me- this has been a trial for everyone.
Chas
Chas
> I do wonder why there are several people who are yet to receive items
> they paid for, while at the same time Chas claims his current
> principal source of income is selling things on eBay.
It's been foreign orders (2)- the Homeland Security regs say that the mailer
has to be there in person.
> Then there is the question of how Chas gets food, if he doesn't go out
> and get it himself (and carry it home) then certainly he has someone
> to run errands for him.
A church lady brings me stuff from the food bank at her church.
> But I don't know Chas well, or his situation. There *are* valid and
> logical reasons why this is so; for example, during the time the
> aforementioned unshipped orders were purchased, Chas could have spent
> the money on food, and is now unable to buy materials for *those*
> orders; while yet still being able to process *current* orders.
I've been broke enough not to have postage for overseas- as well as not
being able to get to the Post Office to swear to the questions from H-S
Chas
Chas
> The part where Chas says "my principle source of funds is selling off
> stuff on
> eBay." That's a quote. It's just a question; and a valid one - how
> does Chas justify selling his gear on eBay if he can't sell it to the
> good members here?
I'm not selling studio work, only furnishings and possessions.
Chas
Chas
>.....He needs a more permanent solution
> such as mortgage on his house,
Lost it in the divorce.
>...food stamps,
I get stuff from the Food Bank at this church.
>.....assistance from relatives,
Have none.
> welfare or something like that. I believe I recall his son is living
> at home.
My son is recovering from a serious skull fracture/concussion. He has a lot
of difficulty doing certain things- blurred vision, headaches, emotional
outbursts, vertigo, and so on. I take care of both of us- if what I do can
be construed as 'taking care'.
>.....He can rent out rooms if he doesn't want a mortgage.
Against zoning regulations for my area- and they're watching closely for
infractions. I'm already on the list for close watch as my yard is overgrown
in areas, and I can't do anything about it- including paying someone to do
it for me.
> Millions of people are on food stamps now, it's no big deal. What
> about social security? Is he collecting disability benefits?
That's my next project-
I've had a '100% disability' chit from a clinic doctor, but I've been so
drugged and in pain not to have followed up on it.
>.....Friends
> off the Internet sending cash won't help unless he has some longer
> term solutions as well.
Yeah= I've been doing ok up until now. I live very frugally, but I've
exhausted my resources. Each of the new drug regimens takes some time to get
used to- mostly they have all the same side-effects, so each is difficult to
acclimate to. I'm not a druggie, so I don't have a basis to understand the
effects. It's like being drunk, although I don't drink alcohol either.
But, you're right about 'long term solutions'- I didn't ask for help before
I needed it desperately. They were going to shut me down day before
yesterday- even the fucking Water Board was on me hard.
I've never needed help before- it's hard to reconcile asking with my own
self-image.
Chas
Chas
>.....But for the record... he was self employed and has no disability
>benefits or insurance.
Lost my insurance in the divorce-
I had a good plan for my age- right up until the divorce, the split from
Gartin, and losing my 'nest-egg' to handle emergencies.
I didn't know enough about government benefits to go get them- I always
thought that was for others, not me.
big surprise.
Chas
Chas
> I as well as others would be interested in your life story and
> experiences not only in martial arts, but in general.
> You should consider writing down, or dictating your story. Start with
> "I was born in..."
Too embarrassing-
sometimes, I didn't learn with the first lesson and had to repeat it-
generally to a drumroll and clash of cymbals.
Chas
Chas
> 1) No unsolicited updates. C'mon Chas, an email every three months or so
> just to let unfulfilled customers know you haven't forgotten about them is
> not too much to ask.
I just don't have enough outstanding to reiterate my situation, particularly
with guys that read the newsgroups. I only write to two of them, and that's
where the bulk of orders come from. I have only two outstanding foreign
orders; you and Gernot- and I'd have thought that both of you see my
situation.
> 2) Two subsequent offers to sell items here, yet no mention was made of
> any delivery issues/delays, which clearly still exist.
I've had a number of times that the docs told me I'd be able to resume
working- happened just a week ago again.
> According to my reckoning, the nearest Post Office from Chas is 300 metres
> away, the next about eight blocks.
I can't walk that far; don't own a car or have any friends to drive me.
I know that sounds hard to believe, but true. I used to depend on my
students to do such things, but I sent all my guys to Willem- he has
threatened to drop anyone who even speaks to me.
If I could do it, I would- it would beat hell out of having to admit that I
can't do it and can't get it done for me.
You know, same like I said the last time you opined on my capability to send
you your goods.
In fact, I'm some worse than the last times we had this exchange. This
affliction has moved to my privates, my armpits, the insides of my
ears/nose/butt- between my fingers/toes everywhere. The smallest motion is
excruciatingly painful- even lying still is bad, just not as bad as moving.
It's fucking embarrassing to continue to be ill- I know everybody is fucking
tired of hearing about it, and I'm tired of using it as an explanation. I
wish it would just heal up or go ahead and kill me.
I hate being fucking helpless.
Chas
Chas
> I'm content to wait for my saps (which Chas says were completed ages ago)
> but in the meantime, a little proactive customer support would be nice.
Many thanks to Kirk-
yes, your two saps are sitting about three feet away from me as I type, same
with Gernot's.
I'd like to get it done, just to solve my last two problems with mailing.
Hell, I tried to do some walking, but fell three times in two days- The meds
give me vertigo and don't help with the 'bad signals' that my feet/legs give
me.
I even got a dog and a bicycle, figuring that would give me incentive to
move about more- didn't do anything but cause me further injuries.
Sorry about the inconvenience- unavoidable, not at all deliberate.
Chas
Chas
> Peter I do not think Chas will recover enough to finish your sap. I have
> an extra one made by Chas - e mail directly and I will send you my extra.
> But please wait about 6 or 7 days as I am leaving on a trip.
> It may not be exactly what you wanted.
Herb; thanks a lot, buddy- you've been more than generous with me, no need
to do that.
I'll take care of it on my own.
Besides, one was for everyday, the other for formal. I don't figure there's
a spare.
Chas
Chas
> Here, here.... and let's hope that lulu account bit goes up so people can
> download that cane cd and get something back and give something for chas.
I've sent it a number of times, but I think his 'wall' is catching them.
I'd love to have something working for me like that. I used to have it with
the vids from KTSA, but Gartin took that peremptorily and disappeared.
As an aside, I hear he's back on the run again- ran out on another bond, I
hear.
Chas
Mark Goldberg
It would have been indiscrete of me to try to tell people this, when
you never wanted to have to spill such beans on rma, or anywhere.
You always assumed the next day or next week you'd bounce back, but I
knew it was what it was and I knew that it wouldn't at that time. How to
explain to people, your business and how really difficult it was, and
is, and how unbearable at times it was, and is, and how much pain was
and is involved. People don't really have an idea how bad it was, and
is. And I am way too far away too do what I wanted to do to help in
ways perhaps, I might have..... it was like being in one of those
carnival rides, at coney island, as a boy. The big barrel and you'd walk
thru and it'd make you flop down. But that was my feeling.
It wasn't fun not being able to do what I wished I could have done....
but it was nothing compared to what you had to, have to go thru
everyday. People thought, maybe, think, your playing them.
They have no idea. If they did. They'd shudder. There was a window,
which you missed- the window when even the worst cases can be reversed.
But that window was long closed by the time you got to and thru the
medicaid clinic and all the indigents and illegals they were going to
work thru the system. By then, the window passed and I knew it... and it
became even more difficult for you.
But you survived, and lost 70 lbs, and the only thing you've escaped is
the problem of obesity, by fiat of pain, destitution and the hope, and
the hope that it would just go away.....
Mark
Herbert Cannon
> That's my next project-
> I've had a '100% disability' chit from a clinic doctor, but I've been so
> drugged and in pain not to have followed up on it.
Chas you have to get that done. That is a key to aid for you. Ask for help
from a church. A number of churches here have outreach workers. Call the
Social Security office. I will ask my wife for directions. She was an
auditor for those programs at one time.
Herbert Cannon
"Chas" <chascl...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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That is nothing embarassing.
Don Geddis
> "Greendistantstar" <pde63539r...@bigpond.net.au> wrote
>> According to my reckoning, the nearest Post Office from Chas is 300 metres
>> away, the next about eight blocks.
>
> I can't walk that far; don't own a car or have any friends to drive me.
I'm curious: how are you staying alive? You can't move, you have no friends
or relatives, you have no money, no job, no income. Practically, how are you
getting food and water? How are you paying for your house, utilities, phone,
internet connection, electricity, etc.?
And: the begging for money seems to be a very short term thing. For you to
buy food to eat? (But how will you actually get the food? You don't seem
able to get to a store.)
I'm curious: is "people sending you money" the difference between you dying
in a few weeks (with no resources and no food), or else a few months (the
charity gives you food for a few more weeks)?
Or is your plan: if you can just survive a few more weeks, maybe you'll get
lucky and your body will heal by itself?
Can you talk a bit more about what resources you _do_ have? And, in
particular, what difference a donation now would make to you? Is it just
dragging things out, or is there some plan where sufficient donations would
help you pass some milestone, to get back on your feet?
I don't understand what, in your situation, is expected to change.
-- Don
_______________________________________________________________________________
Don Geddis http://don.geddis.org/ d...@geddis.org
A bore is someone who persists in holding his own views after we have
enlightened him with ours.
Renli
It's not your fault chas. It always feels like it was, and that you
could have done something differently, but it isn't your fault. Don't
get worried up about sending people stuff.
One day I had a kidney stone and I missed work for a couple of days.
This particular one was so bad the blood had drained from my face and
extremities. My wife said my lips were blue or something. So the guys
at work said if I missed another day they'd have to fire me. I told
them it was a medical emergency and that I had hospital papers, but
they didn't seem to care.
If that kind of thing ever happened again I'd just tell them to fuck
off and i'd quit on the spot. I could have done it back then too but I
was too shocked at the assholishness of the people involved. I'd
probably punch them in the face too, on the way out.
Seriously Chas, and I speak from experience, take care of yourself
first. Don't worry about what you OWE people. They can WAIT, you
CAN'T. All sorts of obligations get put on the back burner when
there's an injury. When I had my motorbike accident last month and
couldn't write, stand, or walk too far I didn't give any notice, I
just didn't go to highschool to teach. Well my wife called but it
wasn't really "notice". They were pasty-faced shocked because I was
already covering for *2* other teachers on summer vacation. But thats
life chas. No retribution, because it's life.
-
h...@nospam.org
<lawson@NO15339SPAM+dayton.ne> wrote:
>
>Which wasn't what hal was doing. Nowhere did hal attempt to find out if
>he was on food stamps or disability. He was suggesting them as an option
>in lieu of giving the requested help. duh.
No, not at all. Read it again. I suggested these things as long term
fixes in addition to short term monetary aid from friends. Short term
money won't help much if there is no long term solution.
"Buy a man a fish and he eats for a day.
Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime."
Chinese proverb
Hal
>
>(IH)
nemo_outis
> "Buy a man a fish and he eats for a day.
> Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime."
> Chinese proverb
Build a man a fire and you keep him warm for a day.
Set a man on fire and you keep him warm the rest of his life.
:-)
Regards,
Mark Goldberg
..
in
> particular, what difference a donation now would make to you? Is it just
> dragging things out....I don't understand what, in your situation, is expected to change.
>
He's hoping to drag things out and crawl back...that's what please help
means....usually
Mark
Rabid Weasel Lawson
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:52:42 -0400, Rabid Weasel Lawson
> <lawson@NO15339SPAM+dayton.ne> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Which wasn't what hal was doing. Nowhere did hal attempt to find out if
>>he was on food stamps or disability. He was suggesting them as an option
>>in lieu of giving the requested help. duh.
>
> No, not at all. Read it again. I suggested these things as long term
> fixes in addition to short term monetary aid from friends. Short term
> money won't help much if there is no long term solution.
In other words, you're not going to do dick for him. Yeah, we got that.
No one expects you to, you're not under any obligation, but advertising
the fact is just being a wanker.
> "Buy a man a fish and he eats for a day.
> Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime."
> Chinese proverb
You might want to help him fucking eat while you're teaching him to fish
the food stamps.
(IH)
Greendistantstar
> "Greendistantstar" <pde63539r...@bigpond.net.au> wrote
>> 1) No unsolicited updates. C'mon Chas, an email every three
>> months or so just to let unfulfilled customers know you haven't
>> forgotten about them is not too much to ask.
>
> I just don't have enough outstanding to reiterate my situation,
> particularly with guys that read the newsgroups. I only write to
> two of them, and that's where the bulk of orders come from. I
> have only two outstanding foreign orders; you and Gernot- and I'd
> have thought that both of you see my situation.
I see your situation. All I've asked for is the occasional
communication.
Given the circumstances, that maintains goodwill.
Then you need to state all that in the same post when you attempt
to sell stuff.
Spruiking for new orders when there are outstanding undelivered old
ones is bound to cause problems, Chas.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Herbert Cannon
suds macheath
---For the record: As a Libertarian, you believe govt building social
safety nets with tax money is "stealing" and shouldn't be govts job, do
you not?
If so, you believe Chas is not entitled to food stamps, welfare ,
medicare, unemployment, ect.
"Nanny Govt" rhetoric becomes more difficult when someone close is involved.
For years I've seen conservatives here claim that the poor are at fault
for their lot, and that it's a matter of personal responsibility to
save for their old age, that the govt has no business constructing
safety nets with taxpayers money.
I'd just like to see you people say the same when a beloved friend is in
dire straights, that's all.
>
>
>> Finding out if he's on food stamps and disability is useless information?
>> Interesting.....
>
> Which wasn't what hal was doing. Nowhere did hal attempt to find out if
> he was on food stamps or disability. He was suggesting them as an option
> in lieu of giving the requested help. duh.
---And why is this advice disdained? Do you thing a few guys on usenet
is gonna keep Chas in groceries and medical care?
suds macheath
---Well, we don't know if he did or not, do we? Perhaps he has not.
Perhaps he's scamming you people. Either that, or he's truly down and
out, and a couple of guys on usenet sending a few bucks and a care
package ain't gonna cut it. I've heard countless arguments against
social security that claim that responsible folk should save for their
own retirement. I've heard countless arguments assailing the same
support structures you mention, that it is govt "stealing" money for
"deadbeats", and they all come from the Libertarian/Republican factions.
So, yes, I tend to read between the lines when Libertarian/Republican
commenter's down play government aid as "making excuses".
Herbert Cannon
>>
>> Which wasn't what hal was doing. Nowhere did hal attempt to find out if
>> he was on food stamps or disability. He was suggesting them as an option
>> in lieu of giving the requested help. duh.
>
> ---And why is this advice disdained?
Because it was not advice. It was a shifting a responsibility for one's
fellow man who has asked for help.
Do you thing a few guys on usenet
> is gonna keep Chas in groceries and medical care?
No it will keep him from starving while he arranges long term care.
Do you think food stamps and disability are like instant coffee?
Do you think the government bureaucracy around them functions with some
kind of masterful efficiency? The problem with you " let the government do
everything" advocates is that you have brainwashed yourselves into believing
government is the epitome of efficiency and honesty. You think private
corporations are the opposite.
Much like Hal suggesting that evacuees from Katrina be housed in public
schools rather than Church shelters. Gee we needed the schools for school
kids, duh.
suds macheath
> "suds macheath" <sudsm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:nslpk.11298$De7....@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>>> It'd be more honest to simply say, "I'm not going to send you any
>>>>> money"
>>>>> instead of making excuses. Or, better yet, say nothing at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> (IH)
>>>> ---So, you'd rather Chas suffer than apply for govt relief?
>> ---Would you? It's no secret your ilk hates the govt programs
>> mentioned....
>
> Would I what?
---Rather Chas starve than apply for govt relief. Jesus H Christ, your
inability to follow a simple thread makes kicking your ass that much
more difficult.
It is no secret you are a conclusion jumping dumbass.
> What I hate is your touting of give away programs, that use others' money
> and not your own, to those who make suckers of you, such as the so called
> homeless you whine incessantly about.
----Herbert D Cannon believes that homeless people are a myth....
Your kind of programs merely encourage
> the worst and add to the poor.
---And your programs would be.....? How would they be funded?
> For those who are disabled, stricken with severe illnesses, members of the
> WORKING poor, or have done something to earn subsidies ( such as disabled
> soldiers), I have no problem supporting.
-----If not the govt, then who, you selfish little man? You think a few
guys on usenet sending in a few bucks is going to help the unemployed,
disabled and homeless?
For those you whine about - people
> who are on the dole for five generations - I will remind you that it was
> President Clinton who signed the workfare legislation and removed them from
> the dole. Guess what, they did not starve like you predicted.
----"I" predicted? Put up or shut up, asswipe...
> So take your hair shirt guilt complex and inane hate spewing and stick it
> where the sun dont shine.
---So, your buddy Chas is entitled to a govt saftey net and others are
not? Hypocrite to the core, ain't ya?
BTW, you've dropped more than a few not so subtle hints that you're a
wealthy man. Will you be contributing to the Chas fund?
suds macheath
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:48:49 -0400, suds macheath wrote:
>
>>>> I would gladly send Chas some cash, especially if I thought it would
>>>> help provide a long term solution, but I am concerned it would only be
>>>> a very temporary stop-gap measure. He needs a more permanent solution
>>>> such as mortgage on his house, food stamps, assistance from relatives,
>>>> welfare or something like that. I believe I recall his son is living
>>>> at home. He can rent out rooms if he doesn't want a mortgage.
>>>> Millions of people are on food stamps now, it's no big deal. What
>>>> about social security? Is he collecting disability benefits? Friends
>>>> off the Internet sending cash won't help unless he has some longer
>>>> term solutions as well.
>>> instead of making excuses. Or, better yet, say nothing at all.
>>>
>>> (IH)
>> ---So, you'd rather Chas suffer than apply for govt relief?
>
>
> What I said was that I'd rather hal not say, "Well, gee, I'd really like to
> help you out but A) it wouldn't do any good,
---You thing a few bucks from a couple of guys on usenet is gonna be a
whole lot of help if the man's in as dire straights as he claims?
B) there are already government
> programs so let someone else do it, and C) have you tried mortgaging your
> house?"
-----This is how folks go into survival mode, pray it doesn't ever
happen to you.
> Yeah, capstone of compassion there.
---Sounds like sensible lifeboat advice to me.
>
> Oh, and I just gotta ask, did you *deliberately* misread what I wrote or are
> you just dense? :P
>
> (IH)
>
---You have a long history of disdaining govt aid. "The govts stealing
my money to pay for deadbeats yadda yadda". I'd like to see if the same
philosophy applies when someone near and dear is struck down.
Herbert Cannon
> ---Well, we don't know if he did or not, do we?
I believe Chas has answered that question.
Perhaps he has not.
> Perhaps he's scamming you people.
Perhaps you are an ass.
Either that, or he's truly down and
> out, and a couple of guys on usenet sending a few bucks and a care package
> ain't gonna cut it.
Translation I aint gonna do dick for him.
I've heard countless arguments against
> social security that claim that responsible folk should save for their own
> retirement.
They should. Is there something wrong with being self suffiecient. Were not
you touting that awhile back?
I've heard countless arguments assailing the same
> support structures you mention, that it is govt "stealing" money for
> "deadbeats", and they all come from the Libertarian/Republican factions.
You hear what you want to hear colored by your massive bigotry.
> So, yes, I tend to read between the lines when Libertarian/Republican
> commenter's down play government aid as "making excuses".
What utter horse crap. Have you noticed it is your so called Libertians
Republicans who are trying to help Chas while you post your usual polictical
diatribes. You tend to slip between the lines and get lost there, Hal Jr.
Herbert Cannon
> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>> "suds macheath" <sudsm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:nslpk.11298$De7....@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>>> Herbert Cannon wrote:
>>>>>> It'd be more honest to simply say, "I'm not going to send you any
>>>>>> money"
>>>>>> instead of making excuses. Or, better yet, say nothing at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (IH)
>>>>> ---So, you'd rather Chas suffer than apply for govt relief?
>>>> Typical.
>>> ---Would you? It's no secret your ilk hates the govt programs
>>> mentioned....
>>
>> Would I what?
> ---Rather Chas starve than apply for govt relief. Jesus H Christ, your
> inability to follow a simple thread makes kicking your ass that much more
> difficult.
Is that supposed to be an intelligent question? You are a fucking joke.
>
> It is no secret you are a conclusion jumping dumbass.
>> What I hate is your touting of give away programs, that use others'
>> money and not your own, to those who make suckers of you, such as the so
>> called homeless you whine incessantly about.
>
> ----Herbert D Cannon believes that homeless people are a myth....
Go read the book " Beggars and Theives - Lives of Urban Street Criminals" by
Mark S Fleisher and find out who they really are. Why hell you moron you can
even read " Meditations of Violence - A Comparison of Martial Arts Training
& Real World Violence" by Sgt Rory Miller. He even went out and lived among
them. Then you can find how dumb you really are.
>
> Your kind of programs merely encourage
>> the worst and add to the poor.
>
> ---And your programs would be.....?
Based on reality and not on some fantasy that makes you feel good.
How would they be funded?
How about a flat tax.
>
>> For those who are disabled, stricken with severe illnesses, members of
>> the WORKING poor, or have done something to earn subsidies ( such as
>> disabled soldiers), I have no problem supporting.
>
> -----If not the govt, then who, you selfish little man?
ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND? WHAT DID I JUST SAY I HAD NO PROBLEM WITH YOU INBRED
MORON?
You think a few
> guys on usenet sending in a few bucks is going to help the unemployed,
> disabled and homeless?
I DONT THINK YOU WOULD DO DICK FOR ANYONE WITH YOUR OWN MONEY. I THINK ALL
YOU CAN DO IS TRY TO GIVE THEM ANOTHER'S MONEY. WITH YOU THE ONLY RIGHT NO
ONE HAS IS TO THEIR OWN MONEY.
>
> For those you whine about - people
>> who are on the dole for five generations - I will remind you that it was
>> President Clinton who signed the workfare legislation and removed them
>> from the dole. Guess what, they did not starve like you predicted.
>
> ----"I" predicted? Put up or shut up, asswipe...
Oh you mean you were for workfare?
>
>> So take your hair shirt guilt complex and inane hate spewing and stick it
>> where the sun dont shine.
>
> ---So, your buddy Chas is entitled to a govt saftey net and others are
> not?
ENTITLED? DID I SAY HE WAS ENTITLED AND "OTHERS" ARE NOT. PUT UP OR SHUT UP
ASSWIPE. YES HE IS ENTITLED - HE HAS EARNED IT AND MORE SO THAN MOST. NOT
ONLY THAT HE IS DISABLED THROUGH NO FAULT OF HIS OWN.
Hypocrite to the core, ain't ya?
JESUS H CHRIST. YOUR INABILITY TO READ A SIMPLE THREAD MAKES KICKING YOUR
ASS SIMPLE.
> BTW, you've dropped more than a few not so subtle hints that you're a
> wealthy man. Will you be contributing to the Chas fund?
You may ask Chas that question. I think he may have already answered it in
this thread - if you can read simple threads which you seem to have severe
difficulty with..
How about you?
Herbert Cannon
> ---You have a long history of disdaining govt aid. "The govts stealing
> my money to pay for deadbeats yadda yadda". I'd like to see if the same
> philosophy applies when someone near and dear is struck down.
I see you are making your usual inflammatory and stupid political
accusations. It is amusing that the ones trying to help Chas are the very
ones that you are falsely accusing while you, supposed the one who is full
of compassion, stands with his dick in his hand shouting political tirades
and does nothing for the man. You seem to have real trouble separating
political fantasy from reality.
So let me clear up for you what we object to and perhaps you can cease your
constant and stupid political name calling:
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand with your constant ranting about
what we object to is your intrusive do all government that wants our money
without any accountability for what it does with it. It wants no
accountability because it is " going to help someone" and show its
"compassion" whether or not they are deserving at all.
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand that we object to your government
that wants to do for us what we can do for oursevelves to the point of
disarming us and not even allowing us to defend ourselves.
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand that the Republican politicians,
who are corrupt, have been vigorously prosecuted under a Republican
administration while corrupt Democrat politicians such as your hero Murtha
( rejected even by his own party but not by you) and William Jefferson, with
$80,000 bribe money in his freezer go scot free.
Perhaps you are to stupid to understand you have long history of wasting our
money in the name of government aid. You have built huge housing projects in
your "Great Society" programs that twenty years later had to be dynamited
because those you gave them to refused to take care of them while we live in
houses that are thirty years old or better.
Perhaps you are to stupid to understand that we tire of your constant
excuses for those who take our money and spit on us.
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand we are tired of spending enormous
sums to rehabilitate those who pay us pay us back with a huge recidivism
rate.
Perhaps you are to stupid to understand that your defense of a closed union
shop forces workers to pay tribute to a union that has become corrupt and
that you still defend vigorously.
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand we don't condone the lynch mob
justice promoted by some of your darlings for their own benefit ( $) causing
innocents to suffer such as the Lacrosse team at Duke and the Jena six.
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand that your so called compassion with
other people's money and no accountability often promotes more bad behavior
such as the subsidizing of illegitimate birth.
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand that you cannot have a world where
the consequences of bad decisions go rewarded rather than discouraged.
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand that you cannot have a world where
there is no risk and no consequences.
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand that you cannot remove all
responsibility for the common good and place it on the back of government.
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand that the religion you constantly
criticize is the one that binds us together.
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand that when you say " Yes we can" -
we want to know "Yes you can" WHAT?
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand that when you say you are for "
change" we want to know what you are going to "change."
Perhaps you are to stupid to understand that every criticism of you cannot
be dismissed as a " political screed."
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand that the election of a Democrat as
President is not going to make the bad guys in the world disappear and you
are not going to bring " peace for our time" by talking to them.
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand that disarming this nation is not
going to change the character of others such as the KGB that runs the
Russian govt or the Revolutionary Guard that controls Iran, Hezbollah and
HAMAS.
Perhaps you are to stupid to understand that to deal with these problems you
will still need bi partisan support and the failure of your leadership to
get it has lowered your own congressional ratings below President Bush's
ratings.
Perhaps you are to stupid to understand that we don't want a medical
establishment that looks like the US Post Office and places us in line
behind the druggies and those that refuse to learn how to take care of
themselves so that you can feel good.
Perhaps you are too stupid to realize that the all knowing, all seeing, all
intrusive, government you promote has already been a spectacular failure
elsewhere.
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand that you cannot destroy personal
property, allow government to steal it ( such as when a liberal Supreme
Court allowed property to be taken from its owners), or destroy personal
initiative and create a better world.
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand that placing windfall profits tax
on oil companies is not going to produce one extra gallon of gas for your
car and has already been tried before and failed.
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand that your own congressional action
has already created windfall profits for grain companies.
Perhaps you are to stupid to understand that when the government attempts
too much control of markets and professions it merely creates black markets
and underground economies.
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand that the war in Afghanistan that
your candidate wants to send troops into is going to be far worse than the
one in Iraq and give the US no new resources or trading partners.
Perhaps you are too stupid to understand that your constant whining over
other's self inflicted wounds makes one wonder if you can separate reality
from fantasy.
I could add a lot more; but I am afraid you are too stupid for any of this
is to get through your thick skull.
Besides I have better things to do - have a good day.
Renli
Herbert Cannon wrote:
> > ---You have a long history of disdaining govt aid. "The govts stealing
> > my money to pay for deadbeats yadda yadda". I'd like to see if the same
> > philosophy applies when someone near and dear is struck down.
>
> I see you are making your usual inflammatory and stupid political
> accusations.
Lol of the week
-
Jerry B. Altzman
> "Buy a man a fish and he eats for a day.
> Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime."
> Chinese proverb
If you don't have a short term, you don't have a long term.
> Hal
//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman jba...@altzman.com www.jbaltz.com
thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe.
Jerry B. Altzman
> In other words, you're not going to do dick for him. Yeah, we got that.
> No one expects you to, you're not under any obligation, but advertising
> the fact is just being a wanker.
> You might want to help him fucking eat while you're teaching him to fish
> the food stamps.
Will the man with the potty mouth PLEASE untie Kirk and let him back at
the computer?
> (IH)
Herbert Cannon
"Renli" <oliver....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Renli
> "Renli" <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote in message
ding ding...
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h...@nospam.org
<jba...@altzman.com> wrote:
>on 2008-08-15 21:19 h...@nospam.org said the following:
>> "Buy a man a fish and he eats for a day.
>> Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime."
>> Chinese proverb
>
>If you don't have a short term, you don't have a long term.
if you don't have a long term, you don't have a short term.
Hal
>
>> Hal
>
>//jbaltz
h...@nospam.org
<hcan...@cox.net> wrote:
>ENTITLED? DID I SAY HE WAS ENTITLED AND "OTHERS" ARE NOT. PUT UP OR SHUT UP
>ASSWIPE. YES HE IS ENTITLED - HE HAS EARNED IT AND MORE SO THAN MOST. NOT
>ONLY THAT HE IS DISABLED THROUGH NO FAULT OF HIS OWN.
what a joke. What about all the people in America who are disabled
through no fault of their own? You shit on them every chance you get.
What about all the poor blacks in the lower 9th ward who lost
everything they worked for through no fault of their own? You hate
them mroe than anything, and you hate a lot. Did you contribute to
aid for those poor who lost everything through no fault of their own?
No you did not. You came on here and publicly stated your hatred for
them. What's the difference between them and Chas? Clearly Chas is
white, and they are black. You racist pig. So who is entitled? Only
white people you deem fit.
Hal
Herbert Cannon
<h...@nospam.org> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:13:09 -0500, "Herbert Cannon"
> <hcan...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>ENTITLED? DID I SAY HE WAS ENTITLED AND "OTHERS" ARE NOT. PUT UP OR SHUT
>>UP
>>ASSWIPE. YES HE IS ENTITLED - HE HAS EARNED IT AND MORE SO THAN MOST. NOT
>>ONLY THAT HE IS DISABLED THROUGH NO FAULT OF HIS OWN.
>
> what a joke. What about all the people in America who are disabled
> through no fault of their own?
What about them? Can you read? Read what I wrote, you dumb ass.
You shit on them every chance you get.
Really - prove it. They certainly dont deserve dumb shits like you.
> What about all the poor blacks in the lower 9th ward who lost
> everything they worked for through no fault of their own?
You dont know shit about the 9th ward and dont have any idea of what
happened there. In fact, it may come as shock to you but middle and working
class blacks were abandoning the 9th ward because it had become too rough
for them. Which means New Orleans was rapidly becoming a very hopeless 3rd
world city. Even the news stations in New Orleans were referring to it as
the "city that care forgot." It had suffered under several corrupt black
mayoral adminsitrations. The ninth ward was becoming a hangout for hustlers,
druggies and dangerous criminals. The National Guard still patrols it even
now.
And if you are so concerned about the " blacks " in the ninth ward perhaps
you may want to ask yourself what happened to the 70,000 whites that lost
everything in St Bernard Parish below New Orleans. Is your lack of concern
there because it does not allow you to mount your high horse and parade
the pretense that you are such a good tolerant person and sooo liberal; and
it does not allow you to falsely call others bigots, bigot.
So the next time you start running your mouth check a few facts out, dumb
ass.
You hate
> them mroe than anything, and you hate a lot.
Ah yes another with the favorite word hate Yup Hal I really hate them since
one of good my good friends was from the 9th ward.
Did you contribute to
> aid for those poor who lost everything through no fault of their own?
Why yes Hal I sent a rather large contribution to the Red Cross during that
time period would you now like to match it? I am sure they could use it.
Not only that I contributed to the local church that was providing a shelter
and ferried food. I felt it was the right thing to do.
What exactly did you do? Did you wring your hands and wail about how
mistreated they were?
> No you did not.
Speak for yourself Hal or continue to hold your dick and yodel.
You came on here and publicly stated your hatred for
> them.
What utter cark. I never said I hated them and I am sure you would not be
caught living within ten miles of most of them. You dont even know who they
are. Name one you personally know you moron.
What's the difference between them and Chas?
You tell me Hal you are the one screeching about them.
Clearly Chas is
> white, and they are black.
So?
You racist pig.
You stupid little pea brained ass two of my best friends are black. What's
the matter Hal you having another pygmy brained stupid racial fit to try and
prove what a goody goody person you are.
So who is entitled?
Chas is you dumb shit.
Only
> white people you deem fit.
You are such an ass. Are you going to stand there screeching your stupid
hate speech or help Chas, Hal. Cause you really bore me with your continual
stupidity.