Most Karateka Couldn't Defend Themselves Against An Attacker!
Arthur Stone
but at the same time, I'm going to say, some karateka are very
dangerous, they could and would, tear apart, 90% of attackers!
So what's the difference between the two, ATTITUDE!
When training, you are what you think, if you are thinking about
cuddly teddy bears and cup cakes (just an example), you will be about
as effective as teddy bear in a fight with a T Rex!
If your attitude is strong and positive in the dojo, you are going to
have a better chance in a real self defense situation.
When your karate is at full speed and power, you should practice like
your life depends on each move, use some imagination, your karate can
still be practiced safely, but when techniques become real, it takes
on a whole new meaning. Make it real.
When practicing kata (forms), kihon (basics) or kumite (sparring) at
speed, when your strike hits the target, imagine what would really
happen if you landed the blow with full force and no control, is it
strong enough to hurt or even fell an opponent, it should be.
In the dojo, etiquette, control and discipline rule the day, in the
street, they have no regard for your safety, they do not care if they
kill you and they most definitely show no control or mercy.
I can't remember the exact words he used, but, the famous boxer, Mike
Tyson, when he was world champion, said, 'They cannot hurt me, they
cannot knock me out, I won't allow them to'. In the martial arts,
karate and self defence, that's the attitude to have.
Another Mike Tyson quote, 'Every shot was thrown with bad intentions'.
Some karateka naturally have this attitude, others need to train
themselves to be like this, never give up, if you knock me down, I'm
just going to get back up, I will not stop and when I hit you, I will
hit with, as Mike Tyson says, 'bad intention'!
So, to me, self defense is a state of mind, rather than a physical
state of being, obviously the physical side is important, but all
karateka have the physical side, don't they?
Win Any Fight in Under 3 Minutes: http://selfdefensef.blogspot.com/#
Greendistantstar
> Shock, horror! Well, I for one, believe this to be a true statement,
> but at the same time, I'm going to say, some karateka are very
> dangerous, they could and would, tear apart, 90% of attackers!
So let's get these percentages right. The header says 'Most karateka' so that's what? 90%?
But some (the remaining 10%) could tear apart 90% of attackers, which means there's 10% of attackers
that even this 10% of karateka won't beat. So who exactly are you referring to?
> So what's the difference between the two, ATTITUDE!
No, not even close. Every dumbass street thug has 'tude, and if that's all, it ain't enough.
Here's a nice case of <'attitude' + no skills > vs <confidence + some skill>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDaZy6cA1oo&feature=related
> When training, you are what you think,
No you're not, you are what you are. The moron in the above clip probably thought he was Bruce Lee
when he trained in front of the mirror.
*Thinking* you're a ninja or a Bjj black belt won't make you one, I'm afraid. Realistic training is
what sorts out this type of thinking.
> if you are thinking about
> cuddly teddy bears and cup cakes (just an example), you will be about
> as effective as teddy bear in a fight with a T Rex!
Thinking about teddy bears is unlikely to be helpful, but thinking you're a T-Rex when you're really
a teddy bear also isn't helpful.
> If your attitude is strong and positive in the dojo, you are going to
> have a better chance in a real self defense situation.
Maybe, it depends what and how you train.
> When your karate is at full speed and power, you should practice like
> your life depends on each move, use some imagination, your karate can
> still be practiced safely, but when techniques become real, it takes
> on a whole new meaning. Make it real.
Training is 'made real' by training realistically, not merely *thinking* realistically.
> When practicing kata (forms), kihon (basics) or kumite (sparring) at
> speed, when your strike hits the target, imagine what would really
> happen if you landed the blow with full force and no control, is it
> strong enough to hurt or even fell an opponent, it should be.
Imagine what it would be like if you actually *did* that, rather than swiping at thin air!
> In the dojo, etiquette, control and discipline rule the day,
Always better than chaos, wouldn't you say?
> in the
> street, they have no regard for your safety, they do not care if they
> kill you and they most definitely show no control or mercy.
Uncontrolled attacks I'd prefer to skilled, strategic ones.
> I can't remember the exact words he used, but, the famous boxer, Mike
> Tyson, when he was world champion, said, 'They cannot hurt me, they
> cannot knock me out, I won't allow them to'.
I'm sure the words 'Bonecrusher' and 'Smith' are not part of your recollection.
> In the martial arts,
> karate and self defence, that's the attitude to have.
> Another Mike Tyson quote, 'Every shot was thrown with bad intentions'.
> Some karateka naturally have this attitude, others need to train
> themselves to be like this, never give up, if you knock me down, I'm
> just going to get back up, I will not stop and when I hit you, I will
> hit with, as Mike Tyson says, 'bad intention'!
Tyson trained by hitting others in sparring, and his confidence flowed from that.
Confidence flowing from kata (if that's how you predominantly train) is an illusion.
> So, to me, self defense is a state of mind, rather than a physical
> state of being,
State of mind *is* important, such as situational awareness, how one carries oneself, and focused
calm *during* a confrontation. But to say that self defense *is* a state of mind rather than what
one can or could do physically is clearly incorrect.
> obviously the physical side is important, but all
> karateka have the physical side, don't they?
No, and what's the go with the karate refs?
> Win Any Fight in Under 3 Minutes: http://selfdefensef.blogspot.com/#
The author of this site is 'Steve G' who says his Judo black belt training was useless to him.
Uh huh.
If that statement doesn't send your bullshit detector red-lining, it may need a thorough service.
As does your mom.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Rabid Weasel Lawson
> Shock, horror! Well, I for one, believe this to be a true statement,
> but at the same time, I'm going to say, some karateka are very
> dangerous, they could and would, tear apart, 90% of attackers!
The '90s wants its Troll Topic back.
trav...@aol.com
Wasn't Boneclutcher Smith, it was Buster Douglas. And then everybody
else.
Trav
Shuurai
> > Shock, horror! Well, I for one, believe this to be a true statement,
> > but at the same time, I'm going to say, some karateka are very
> > dangerous, they could and would, tear apart, 90% of attackers!
>
> So let's get these percentages right. The header says 'Most karateka' so that's what? 90%?
> But some (the remaining 10%) could tear apart 90% of attackers, which means there's 10% of attackers
> that even this 10% of karateka won't beat. So who exactly are you referring to?
Ninjas and masters of Grenoch, obviously. And the old Korean guy who
trained Remo Williams.
> > if you are thinking about
> > cuddly teddy bears and cup cakes (just an example), you will be about
> > as effective as teddy bear in a fight with a T Rex!
>
> Thinking about teddy bears is unlikely to be helpful, but thinking you're a T-Rex when you're really
> a teddy bear also isn't helpful.
There is no archeological evidence that teddy bears and T-Rex's lived
during the same era, so your entire argument is pointless.
> > When your karate is at full speed and power, you should practice like
> > your life depends on each move, use some imagination, your karate can
> > still be practiced safely, but when techniques become real, it takes
> > on a whole new meaning. Make it real.
>
> Training is 'made real' by training realistically, not merely *thinking* realistically.
But you do have to think realistically in order to train
realistically.
> > When practicing kata (forms), kihon (basics) or kumite (sparring) at
> > speed, when your strike hits the target, imagine what would really
> > happen if you landed the blow with full force and no control, is it
> > strong enough to hurt or even fell an opponent, it should be.
>
> Imagine what it would be like if you actually *did* that, rather than swiping at thin air!
It would shatter the bones of your opponent and cause you all sorts of
legal problems. Plus, you'd run out of people to train with because
they'd all be dead. I suppose you could duct tape the corpses to a
pole or something, but eventually the damage would be too great and
they'd fall apart. Imagine having to clean up *that* mess! Why don't
you think before offering such ridiculous advice?
Greendistantstar
Mea culpa.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Greendistantstar
>>> Shock, horror! Well, I for one, believe this to be a true statement,
>>> but at the same time, I'm going to say, some karateka are very
>>> dangerous, they could and would, tear apart, 90% of attackers!
>> So let's get these percentages right. The header says 'Most karateka' so that's what? 90%?
>> But some (the remaining 10%) could tear apart 90% of attackers, which means there's 10% of attackers
>> that even this 10% of karateka won't beat. So who exactly are you referring to?
>
> Ninjas and masters of Grenoch, obviously. And the old Korean guy who
> trained Remo Williams.
And Dill-Man.
>>> if you are thinking about
>>> cuddly teddy bears and cup cakes (just an example), you will be about
>>> as effective as teddy bear in a fight with a T Rex!
>> Thinking about teddy bears is unlikely to be helpful, but thinking you're a T-Rex when you're really
>> a teddy bear also isn't helpful.
>
> There is no archeological evidence that teddy bears and T-Rex's lived
> during the same era, so your entire argument is pointless.
Liar! Heretic!
>>> When your karate is at full speed and power, you should practice like
>>> your life depends on each move, use some imagination, your karate can
>>> still be practiced safely, but when techniques become real, it takes
>>> on a whole new meaning. Make it real.
>> Training is 'made real' by training realistically, not merely *thinking* realistically.
>
> But you do have to think realistically in order to train
> realistically.
Well yes, you do, but that alone isn't enough. If it was, Oliver Richman would be in the UFC.
>>> When practicing kata (forms), kihon (basics) or kumite (sparring) at
>>> speed, when your strike hits the target, imagine what would really
>>> happen if you landed the blow with full force and no control, is it
>>> strong enough to hurt or even fell an opponent, it should be.
>> Imagine what it would be like if you actually *did* that, rather than swiping at thin air!
>
> It would shatter the bones of your opponent and cause you all sorts of
> legal problems. Plus, you'd run out of people to train with because
> they'd all be dead. I suppose you could duct tape the corpses to a
> pole or something, but eventually the damage would be too great and
> they'd fall apart. Imagine having to clean up *that* mess! Why don't
> you think before offering such ridiculous advice?
Hey, I have a shovel...
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Jerry B. Altzman
>>> Shock, horror! Well, I for one, believe this to be a true statement,
>>> but at the same time, I'm going to say, some karateka are very
>>> dangerous, they could and would, tear apart, 90% of attackers!
>> So let's get these percentages right. The header says 'Most karateka' so that's what? 90%?
>> But some (the remaining 10%) could tear apart 90% of attackers, which means there's 10% of attackers
>> that even this 10% of karateka won't beat. So who exactly are you referring to?
> Ninjas and masters of Grenoch, obviously. And the old Korean guy who
> trained Remo Williams.
Chun.
Oh yeah, there's this internet bad-ass named 'Shuurai'. He is so bad, he
takes on all comers.
On his face.
>> Thinking about teddy bears is unlikely to be helpful, but thinking you're a T-Rex when you're really
>> a teddy bear also isn't helpful.
> There is no archeological evidence that teddy bears and T-Rex's lived
> during the same era, so your entire argument is pointless.
"Just when I had you struggling in the crushing grip of reason."
>> Training is 'made real' by training realistically, not merely *thinking* realistically.
> But you do have to think realistically in order to train
> realistically.
Visualization is, and always have been, an important part of training.
>>> When practicing kata (forms), kihon (basics) or kumite (sparring) at
>>> speed, when your strike hits the target, imagine what would really
>>> happen if you landed the blow with full force and no control, is it
>>> strong enough to hurt or even fell an opponent, it should be.
>> Imagine what it would be like if you actually *did* that, rather than swiping at thin air!
> It would shatter the bones of your opponent and cause you all sorts of
> legal problems. Plus, you'd run out of people to train with because
> they'd all be dead. I suppose you could duct tape the corpses to a
> pole or something, but eventually the damage would be too great and
> they'd fall apart. Imagine having to clean up *that* mess! Why don't
> you think before offering such ridiculous advice?
Um, so my corpse-makiwara on the tree in the front yard...you're saying
that's a BAD idea?
It might explain why we get so few Halloween trick-or-treaters, though.
And duct tape solves everything. It's like the force. It has a light
side, and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.
(ObMA: Practicing form is necessary but not sufficient, you always need
to hit SOMETHING as well. I can't tell you how many times I've been
teaching kids who had great form standing on line, but when I put a
focus mitt or pad in front of them, their wrist collapses, they fall
back in their kick...it's a real eye-opener.)
//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman jba...@altzman.com www.jbaltz.com
thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe.
Shuurai
> > But you do have to think realistically in order to train
> > realistically.
>
> Well yes, you do, but that alone isn't enough. If it was, Oliver Richman would be in the UFC.
I said "realistically".
Shuurai
> > Ninjas and masters of Grenoch, obviously. And the old Korean guy who
> > trained Remo Williams.
>
> Chun.
> Oh yeah, there's this internet bad-ass named 'Shuurai'. He is so bad, he
> takes on all comers.
> On his face.
You're confusing me with your father again... which is understandable
considering how often I'm banging your mom.
Greendistantstar
You also said "think".
I see your point.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Jerry B. Altzman
She asked me to tell you that next time, if you cum in your pants again
and just leave sheepishly shrugging your shoulders, she isn't going to
bother getting the whips and manacles ready for you any more.
Shuurai
> > You're confusing me with your father again... which is understandable
> > considering how often I'm banging your mom.
>
> She asked me to tell you that next time, if you cum in your pants again
> and just leave sheepishly shrugging your shoulders, she isn't going to
> bother getting the whips and manacles ready for you any more.
Actually, that "shrugging" was me trying not to vomit after the burlap
bag fell off her head.
trav...@aol.com
wrote:
WTF was that you just did???
Trav
trav...@aol.com
So both you and his dad take come on your face?
Trav
Jerry B. Altzman
Still, she had a good laugh and was able the tune to "Jizz in My Pants"
afterwards.
Greendistantstar
I'm allowed one a year, just like you ;>
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Fraser Johnston
"Rabid Weasel Lawson" <lawson@NO6249SPAM+dayton.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.12.27.03.35.44.669788@NO6249SPAM+dayton.net...
The first UFC ruined RMA.
Fraser
YumYumPandaburger
You scare me. here's my lunch money. Now please go away.
TimR
Much is made of the inability to defeat somebody who "knows what he's
doing" with X technique or X traditional MA.
Training X way will just get you in trouble when you run into the guy
who DOES know what he's doing, whether a street fighter, a trained MA,
or just a mean MF.
But think about it the other way around. Most of us can't win against
that guy ANYWAY. So we're wasting time training to defeat him.
We are far better off training against the guy we MIGHT be able to
beat, the clueless out of shape untrained guys. It's nowhere near as
much work, there's far less injury potential, and we get to train the
fun stuff like jumping spinning kicks that the humorless reality
specialists claim don't work.
I say, most karateka COULD defend themself against that attacker! Even
the kung fu and aikido players beat those guys - maybe even Tai Chi-
ers.
We need a WOTT - what techniques to use only against the clueless, and
how to train them.
I'm gonna go home and practice the karate chop, unless somebody has a
better suggestion.