Well
Lachlan - KotU
old razors. They're a kind of knife, and even sharper! Got a nice Joseph
Elliott with horn handle scales and a wedge grind blade (this is a complete
cunt to hone and I left it half done). I reckon it's pre 1900 at least. My
latest addition is a German "Ator" which is in ok condition. Not started
work on it yet, couple of little nicks in the blade, but they are small
enough to come out with some honing on the fine diamond plate. Gonna make a
start on it this weekend, shouldn't take more than an hour or two to get it
ready for shaving. And today I won on Ebay (for less than ten Earth
pounds!) a set of 2 "Lund" razors in the original case. Looking forward to
getting them. I've noticed that straight razors are getting a lot of
bidding action recently on Eby. The old ones, that is.
Lachlan - KotU
"Lachlan - KotU" <ham...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
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Just shaved with the Ern "Ator". Took my time polishing and honing it and
it paid off. Very sharp :o)
the wharf rat
Lachlan - KotU <ham...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>
>Just shaved with the Ern "Ator". Took my time polishing and honing it and
>it paid off. Very sharp :o)
>
When you refurbish an old razor do you hone it the way you hone
one that's ready ot use? Lay the blade flat on the stone so that the
back ridge sets the angle? or do you need to do something different to
"set" an edge?
I've picked up a few nice old but damaged or neglected razors
and have had little luck getting an edge back on them, although my
users are properly sharp...
Chilla
Can you send me the letter of the law so I can see if there are loop
holes for you.
Regards Charles
Good Soldier Schweik
Authentic too. Didn't/don't some of the Glasgow lads carry them?
cheers,
Schweik
(goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)
brian w edginton
<decypher....@sig.line> wrote:
>Authentic too. Didn't/don't some of the Glasgow lads carry them
In the 1920s, they were a favourite weapon of Sydney's gangs. In fact,
they were called "razor gangs".
And the London Teddy Boys of the 1950s liked them, too.
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If you want to stand out in the crowd...
check the alleys for escape routes, first
the wharf rat
brian w edginton <edg...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>In the 1920s, they were a favourite weapon of Sydney's gangs. In fact,
>they were called "razor gangs".
>
Doesn't seem like a particularly effective weapon to me.
brian w edginton
I believe its efficacy is in the shock area.
They were used as a surprise weapon....victim didn't see it until one
side of his face was hanging below his chin.
Quite demoralizing, I gather.
Of course, a quick slash across the muscles and tendons of an arm
would be pretty disabling, too.
Razors are thinner at the edge than most knives....they cut deeper
with much less effort.
A weapon doesn't have to me immediately lethal to end a fight.
I suspect that, as often as not, they were used on victims who didn't,
even, know there WAS a fight until they were maimed and bleeding.
Much like the "glassing" the Brits are so fond of.
Stabbing weapons need to be stronger. That, usually, makes them
thicker and heavier. The razor is light and easily concealed where it
is readily deployed.
All that said, I would prefer a knife. Or, rather,to be home in bed
with a genial partner of the other sex.
the wharf rat
brian w edginton <edg...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>A weapon doesn't have to me immediately lethal to end a fight.
My thoughts are:
Fragile. No reach. Hard to hold securely unless you fold the
blade back against your knuckles which compounds the reach problem.
Can only slice (no stabbing cutting or chopping). I can see how it
would be useful if your intent was to maim rather than kill. And your
target wasn't wearing much in the way of clothes, since you've only got
about 9mm of edge to work with.
>Much like the "glassing" the Brits are so fond of.
?
>Stabbing weapons need to be stronger. That, usually, makes them
>thicker and heavier. The razor is light and easily concealed where it
>is readily deployed.
>
If I wanted a cheap deadly and useful sneak attack weapon I'd
get a screwdriver and sharpen the end up real good.
Here's a story about a razor fight, or rather the results...
http://www.behindthebadge.net/truelife/tl12.html
Here's another cool page, sounds like it might be true, we need
an expert's opinion here I think (Chas? :-)
http://www.jamesakeating.com/maajak7a.html
brian w edginton
>http://www.jamesakeating.com/maajak7a.htYOU SEE? Those bath houses will kill you!ml
>
>
>
I guess the intent was to maim rather than kill.
We still had the death penalty for murder, then.
And courts weren't into accepting "tragic family backgrounds" as an
excuse for leniency. Your chances of avoiding the rope were slim.
I believe the technique was to fold the blade back as far as it would
go against the handle and pinch the blade between thumb and
finger-tips. Then slash. Something in the manner of using a knife in a
reverse grip so the victim didn't see it coming.
And, I suspect, the razor gangs were more about offence than defence.
The "glassing" I referred to is a Brit thing where you have a
disagreement in a pub and end it by smashing your glass into your
opponents face. I gather it is effective.
Very popular in Scotland.
Some pubs in particularly rough neighbourhoods import "shatter-proof"
glasses from France to minimise the damage.
They do shatter...into crystals like windshields used to.
I would still prefer a decent knife, myself.
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Good Soldier Schweik
Didn't big Bad Leroy Brown have a 32 gun in his pocket and a razor in
his shoe?
Meaner then a junkyard dog.....
cheers,
Schweik
(goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)
DaveT
> On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 04:54:09 +0000 (UTC), wr...@panix.com (the wharf rat)
> wrote:
>
>>In article <gr20u4pucframkknc...@4ax.com>, brian w
>>edginton <edg...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
snip
> The "glassing" I referred to is a Brit thing where you have a
> disagreement in a pub and end it by smashing your glass into your
> opponents face. I gather it is effective. Very popular in Scotland.
> Some pubs in particularly rough neighbourhoods import "shatter-proof"
> glasses from France to minimise the damage. They do shatter...into
> crystals like windshields used to.
>
> I would still prefer a decent knife, myself.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> If you want to stand out in the crowd... check the alleys for escape
> routes, first
We now have the pleasure of drinking out of plastic glass's, Yuck.
As for the razor, one hand opener before normally available on knives, if
you got three or four slashes down your face you would think twice about
upsetting the one that slashed you every time you looked in the mirror.
When it happened the victim would not know if the slashing would be done
on the face as a warning to you or the throat as warning to others.
--
DaveT
Lachlan - KotU
"the wharf rat" <wr...@panix.com> wrote in message
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Yeah, I just use the spine of the blade to set the bevel angle. That seems
to work pretty well. The main thing is to take your time and not use much
pressure at all, just let the weight of the razor rest on the stone. I start
with an "extra fine" Am-Tech diamond plate to quickly set the edge, then a
1000 grit water stone to do most of the work on, being very gentle and
patient. Then I polish the edge on a translucent Arkansas before stropping
on a paddle strop then a dressed hanging strop (11,000 grit black diamond
paste) then a plain leather hanging strop If the edge is chipped, I take it
right off by "cutting" into my fine diamond plate. This basically turns the
whole edge of the blade into a flat spot, then I just hone it like normal.
Not sure if this is the right way, but it seems to work for me :o) It
worked fine with the Ator razor I got. Took the whole edge off it to get
rid of a couple of nicks and started from there. I'm sure it could be done
better with better sharpening kit, but it gave me a great shave with no
cuts.
Lachlan - KotU
"Good Soldier Schweik" <decypher....@sig.line> wrote in message
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A friend of my oldest brother was attacked by a Glaswegian with a razor back
in the 60s. He had been going to the cinema with his girlfriend when the
assailant walked past him and opened his cheek right up for no reason. My
brother met his pal just after it had happened and he was told that the bad
guy had gone up to the train station. My brother (in his teens at the time)
ran up to the train station with a bottle of cider, to find the baddy
waiting on the Glasgow train, smoking a cigarette. After a couple of words,
the guy pulled out his razor, but my bro knocked it out of his hand with the
bottle he was carrying. What followed was the guy getting knocked about
quite a bit with the heavy end of the cider bottle and culminated in him
lying against the fence with a very sore face. As a parting shot, the
bottle was thrown into his face full force and it smashed, cutting him up a
bit. My brother even kept his razor. So, as a weapon, they weren't
automatic fight winners. If I were given a choice between a straight razor
and my little double edged boot knife as a weapon, I'd go for the knife
every time, its almost as sharp anyway :o)
For shock value, someone pulling out a razor is quite intimidating, cos you
KNOW how sharp a razor is.
the wharf rat
DaveT <jus...@private.org> wrote:
>
>you got three or four slashes down your face you would think twice about
>upsetting the one that slashed you every time you looked in the mirror.
Actually, I'd be thinking about what a nice job the mortician did
for his funeral.
Chilla
Good enough to leave deep permanent facial scarring :-( Regards Charles
Chilla
> My thoughts are:
>
> Fragile. No reach. Hard to hold securely unless you fold the
> blade back against your knuckles which compounds the reach problem.
> Can only slice (no stabbing cutting or chopping). I can see how it
> would be useful if your intent was to maim rather than kill. And your
> target wasn't wearing much in the way of clothes, since you've only got
> about 9mm of edge to work with.
Fragile, against something as hard or harder, definitely not to parry
with, just to cause a slash. No matter where it strikes it cuts, it is
strikes flesh then there will be a cut ranging from a nasty bleed to
needing stitches.
8 cm of edge on my razor.
The reach is as long as a punch, and if you use it as a follow up to a
punch then it's nasty
>>Stabbing weapons need to be stronger. That, usually, makes them
>>thicker and heavier. The razor is light and easily concealed where it
>>is readily deployed.
>
> If I wanted a cheap deadly and useful sneak attack weapon I'd
> get a screwdriver and sharpen the end up real good.
Still both illegal to carry here.
I think the Police would take a dimmer view if someone produced a
cut-throat as opposed to someone carrying an inconvenient Swiss Army Knife.
Regards Charles
Chilla
Lachlan - KotU wrote:
> If I were given a choice between a straight razor
> and my little double edged boot knife as a weapon, I'd go for the knife
> every time, its almost as sharp anyway :o)
> For shock value, someone pulling out a razor is quite intimidating, cos you
> KNOW how sharp a razor is.
After your story, I think it pays to be an angry drunk with a cider
bottle. The bottle wouldn't have broken if it was full ;-)
I would have kicked the assailant in the balls for good measure (Happy
Easter).
Regards Charles
Lachlan - KotU
"Chilla" <charles...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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Lets just say he probably didn't leave the house for a while, I reckon my
brother sorted him out pretty good.
the wharf rat
so if he's wearing a heavy coat you might not do much...
>> get a screwdriver and sharpen the end up real good.
>Still both illegal to carry here.
Screwdrivers are illegal???? How do you Brits screw, then?
:-)
the wharf rat
Chilla <charles...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>
>Good enough to leave deep permanent facial scarring :-( Regards Charles
>
Adds character.
Chilla
the wharf rat wrote:
> Screwdrivers are illegal???? How do you Brits screw, then?
>
> :-)
Ha-dee-har ;-)
I wasn't including screw drivers, however a screwdriver (sharpened or
not) carried without a good reason would come under the summary offenses
act in NSW.
Regards Charles
Chilla
This will give you an idea how sick the world really is.
When searching for images of razor wounds (and pretty nasty they were
too) on the net I came across a website stating that a lot of women find
facial scars on a man very attractive.
This is the kicker, this was a site that offered plastic surgery to
"give" you facial scarring. At those prices I'd give you two for the
price of one :-D
Regards Charles
Good Soldier Schweik
>
>Regards Charles
And then there were the German dueling scars. Said to be quite very
acceptable in certain circles.
(See my boy - he went to Heidelberg)
cheers,
Schweik
(goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)
Chas
> an expert's opinion here I think (Chas? :-)
> http://www.jamesakeating.com/maajak7a.html
A straight razor is a horrendous weapon- the weapon of choice for a lot of
people who can choose anything they want.
You don't have to worry about 'fragility'- chips just make the blade
serrated.
Reach isn't a problem, knife fights are at boxing range. If you're trying to
hang back, he'll just cut what he can reach.
I've been cut a few times with a razor- the only thing good is that the cuts
are smooth enough to heal easily with minimal scarring. They'll cut right
through a leather jacket like it wasn't even there.
It used to be the favored weapon of American Negroes and whores (as the
story goes).
Yeah; helluva weapon.
--
Chas
http://www.jacksandsaps.com/