ripstop painting (for kites building)
sey...@my-dejanews.com
Does anybody of you knows a way to paint drawings on a white (or light
coloured) ripstop ? I have tried several paints in spray but the problem is
that the colour is only visible by reflexion and not by transmission i.e. my
drawing is not visible anymore when my kite is flying and the sun (at least
the light ...) passing through ! With a permanent marker, it is better but I
cannot make drawings with shades and interleaving colours ... If any of you
have experienced something (easyly available for a "non-pro") and that stands
water, I would be glad to know it ! Thanks
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SvenA
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>Hi any kite builder,
>
>Does anybody of you knows a way to paint drawings on a white (or light
>coloured) ripstop
Check out http://www.xs4all.nl/~pdj/transfer.htm
I've absolutely no experience with the technique described here, and it's
not exactly painting, but mayby worth a try anyway!
Best Winds!
SvenA
PS
Please let me know the result if you try this!
Peter de Jong
Be careful with it: I've had several mails from ppl that had problems
with it: small things as logo's are no problem most of the time, but
larger pictures are.
It can be done, but it's very tricky.
Best way is if you can persuade some shop that has a press for making
T shirt transfers to do it for you: but most of them are reluctant to
put ripstop in a heated press....
Back to the original question:
In a german kitemag they recommended the following:
(quote from a 1995 posting to rec.kites)
In the German " Drachen Magazine" ( 3/93 ) there was an article on
painting ripstop. They mentioned an idea from Chris Dunlop (US- Is he
on the net somewhwere? ) who uses a paint that is normally used on
flowers ( Brandname: Master Professional Color Tool - apperantly
available in spraycans in the US )
For Europe they offered Oasis colors ( also spraycans ) as an
aternative. I didn't try those myself but judging from the article it
works well.
Colors stay transparent with those...
Regards, Peter
Peter de Jong <p...@xs4all.nl>
A&F Custom Kites Werkhoven NL
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good results. The only drawback is the graphic can only be 8 1/2 x 11
in. It seems to hold up very well in the short time we have been using
this process. Also we have found that it better be right the first time
around ...... no second chances :-)
Verlin
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Carl D. Crowell
I have done quite a bit of work with the 'Design Master' / Chris
Dunlop technique.
Sometimes as an accent to a piece:
http://www.kite.com/kite/kitepics/carl/cdeck01.jpg
Sometimes as a texturing tool to create an effect:
http://www.kite.com/kite/kitepics/carl/pntsaint.jpg
http://www.kite.com/kite/kitepics/carl/pntsode1.jpg
http://www.kite.com/kite/kitepics/carl/tiefight.jpg
I have also done some work with my own system. I do not recommend it
to others as it is quite toxic. It is not too difficult to develop
your own painting technique, and in the process you have created a new
and original look to your work.
You will need to select a paint that is flexible when dry, and a
solvent that will allow it to penetrate the coating on the fabric you
are using. My solution was to build a painting technique effectively
paints the coating of ripstop and not the nylon or polyester fibers.
It was much easier (for me) to get pigment to bind to the coating than
the structural material.
Experiment with pigments and solvents and you will end up with
something that works for you.
-carl
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Buck Childers
> Does anybody of you knows a way to paint drawings on a white (or light
> coloured) ripstop ?
<snip>
There was(is?) a periodical published by the AKA called Airborn Art
News. The issues go into a lot of detail about painting and dying
ripstop. I haven't seen it in a while but I assume it's still going out
several times a year.
If you want translucence acid dyes such as Jacquard are probably the way
to go. I think that's Anne Sloboda uses on her art kites. They are
amazing.
The recommended sprays that I recall were the floral paints called
Design Master. I've tried the Design Master stuff and it works fairly
well.
If you want more info contact the AKA or I can probably come up with an
email address or two that work in these mediums.
-Buck
Peter Batchelor
Breathing mask, goves, eye protection should all be worn. The spray has the
potential to defat your skin if you get exposed to it when solvent.
http://users.bigpond.net.au/aka/pb2.gif shows a quadline King of Diamonds I
made using DM. No appreciable reduction in strength of the fabric, but the
templates I made to do the spraying took ages to get organised. Since then
I've also made several butterfiles, using either one or several colours. I
have found that 1 colour actually works better when viewed from a distance.
Peter
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>Hi any kite builder,
>
>Does anybody of you knows a way to paint drawings on a white (or light
JEvard
toxic and should be used outside and with a painting box or shed for the best
results but there are a lot of easier ways to go.
I was the editor of Airborne Art News. We (the AKA art committee) had to
discontinue it because of costs to print and mail it. We were simply going in
the red. But acid dyes are very easy to use. I'm an artist and I use them as
I would watercolors,meaning, I rarely use resists. But most people are very
comfortable with resists (substances used to control the spread of color) and
then it's as simple as a coloring book.
Dharma is one of the best sources for acid dyes. But there are several sources.
I won't go into the technique. It's just too long for a rec.kites post. But
I will be glad to share it with anyone who wants to know how. I like acid dyes
because they are nontoxic, light resistant, transluscent and show up well in
the sky. I had one garden sculpture piece, useing acid-dyed/painted ripstop,
in my backyard for over a year and I didn't see any fading. The only drawback
is that you need to steam set it in a pressure cooker. I hesitated for a long
while before I did it, for that reason. There is a small shrinkage factor,
that's about it. It's really easy.
There is also a new fabric paint out that I really like. I've used it
primarily on borders of kites. It has wonderful metallics. It's not as
transluscent but absolutely wonderful for special effects. I'll be glad to
tell anyone where to get it and some of my experiments.
I'm experimenting all the time.
Not that, as of this week, I'm not the chairman of the AKA art committee
anymore, I hope to have more time to do some of the work that I have sketched
out.
I hope this didn't bore too many of you. I know that sports kites are the
primary interest on rec.kites. I just couldn't resist answering. I don't have
much time to read rec.kites and I have a feeling that I'm not getting all of
what is written. But I think it's a great group.
Janene
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JEvard
with Design Master. He is useing stensils or objects that act as stensils, in
multiple layers. Dan Proebstel has also done innovative work with Design
Master.
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