Wes and Jay 3 Ball (Video!)
wes peden
More Fun Than Visiting a Zoo Volume 1
Body Throw Variations as Arranged for 3 Balls
Wesley Jefferson Peden & Jay Nathan Gilligan
20 minute downloadable video available for 10 dollars here.
http://www.wespeden.com/crustyjuggler/3_Ball_video.html
This small video is the first in a series of inspirational offerings
compiled from various results of the
Manipulation Research Laboratory. While some of these videos may be more
educational in nature,
they are not instructional in the traditional sense. The content focuses
on technique, exploring a little
deeper a common theme or idea. Not all the variations possible are
presented, but are either hinted at
or left for future projects.
These films highlight the content of the juggling with very low production
values- uninteresting
backgrounds, utilitarian edits, homemade music that is not perfectly
synched to the action. There is
no slow motion or breakdown of the tricks offered, and many of them look
really similar as they
evolve down the same path. In this way, watching the videos will be more
like reading a school
textbook rather than the newest Harry Potter novel. Instead of only
focusing on the entertainment
value of juggling videos, we hope to catalogue new juggling tricks and
watching them may be a bit like
taking medicine- not the most tasty, but good for you and making you
stronger!
The first in the More Fun Than Visiting a Zoo series presents some 3 ball
body throw variations made
in collaboration between Wes and Jay. The video is 20 minutes long,
showcasing the 3 ball tricks as
well as 2 routines incorporating the techniques into choreographed
sequences.
While the video shows only some results of the work, very conscious and
concrete steps were taken
during the creation process to generate this content. Workshops for all
skill levels which teach these
methods are available upon request.
p.s.- except for the opening titles and most of the end credits, the film
is entirely in Swedish and
Icelandic language…
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Trailer?
Michael Karas
Just got done watching it.
It's a very well-paced documentation of 3b research using body throws.
There is a lifetime of 3b tricks here, although I would probably only ever
work on 10% of the presented ideas. The lucky part is that Jay and Wes
have done the research for the rest of us (the hard part) and now we can
pick out the ideas that are aesthetically pleasing to us.
The big treat is that Wes has a mini-routine near the beginning (sick) and
Jay has a longer routine near the end of the video so we do get some
applications of all the work.
At less than a cent per second, it's a bargain and way more entertaining
than a 5 club 5-up record.
~Karas
GLF00
>
> At less than a cent per second, it's a bargain and way more entertaining
> than a 5 club 5-up record.
>
> ~Karas
>
>
I thought that (according to Wes) it wasn't supposed to be entertaining.
;-)
chasehenson
> p.s.- except for the opening titles and most of the end credits, the film
> is entirely in Swedish and
> Icelandic language…
I didn't notice any Swedish or Icelandic...
I'm glad you included the out-takes at the end, no need for juggling to be
so serious all the time. keep up the good work, professors.
chase
*wishing his shoulders didn't pop every time he did a shoulder throw*
Daniele Caselli
>20 minute downloadable video available for 10 dollars here.
The world recession has also hit the Scandinavian peninsula :)
This time twice the price of the last ones! :(
--
memento Gaudere semper.
Victor Van Dort
>
> Wes Peden wrote:
> >20 minute downloadable video available for 10 dollars here.
>
> The world recession has also hit the Scandinavian peninsula :)
> This time twice the price of the last ones! :(
Well technically it isn't, that is if when you say the last one you mean
Peden Tricks Sweden which was
was 5 euros (7.8 dollars).
A lot of juggling DVDs are around 40 minutes and 20 to 30 dollars so i
think the price seems fair.
Also i think it is important for people to get paid for what they do. If
jugglers see that when a good
video is made (or any other kind of project) and it is financially
successful i think that will inspire more
people to put more work into their juggling and productions. This way we
get so see lots of cool new
things and the people making them get to eat. Good trade if you ask me.
Victor
Or maybe they can make a living from youtube comments... hummmm
wes peden
aaaaaaaaaand here's the trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tadLeODw2nI
also i forgot to mention that the text about the video and what is about
in my first post was composed
by Jay.
/w
Adam Rowney
>
> Daniele Caselli wrote:
> >
> > Wes Peden wrote:
> > >20 minute downloadable video available for 10 dollars here.
> >
> > The world recession has also hit the Scandinavian peninsula :)
> > This time twice the price of the last ones! :(
>
> Well technically it isn't, that is if when you say the last one you mean
> Peden Tricks Sweden which was
> was 5 euros (7.8 dollars).
>
> A lot of juggling DVDs are around 40 minutes and 20 to 30 dollars so i
> think the price seems fair.
Don't forget those DVD's come in packaging and a DVD, which bumps up costs.
But I still agree, it is a low price for what it is, and what it can do.
I hope it doesn't get much more expensive though.
krista
But if you were to add packaging, then the international shipping for
everyone who wants it, the price
would not only increase but it would also differ depending on where the
person lived, and that would
really suck. It's fair the way it is now.
Reuben
>
> Manipulation Research Laboratory presents:
> More Fun Than Visiting a Zoo Volume 1
> Body Throw Variations as Arranged for 3 Balls
> Wesley Jefferson Peden & Jay Nathan Gilligan
>
> 20 minute downloadable video available for 10 dollars here.
>
> http://www.wespeden.com/crustyjuggler/3_Ball_video.html
>
That was a phenomenal video, especially the penguin chops, various head
orbiting body throws and everything else.
Thanks,
Reuben
Al Teal
>
>
> aaaaaaaaaand here's the trailer.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tadLeODw2nI
>
> also i forgot to mention that the text about the video and what is about
> in my first post was composed
> by Jay.
>
> /w
>
I would have bought the download yesterday if you had posted that trailer
with your original post. I will get the download when I get home to a
secure computer.
The trailer definitely made be want to see more.
GLF00
thoughts.
1. It has a lot of very good ideas, and I think it's worth the price.
2. I was VERY impressed with some of the penguin variations Jay shows off.
3. The exploration of bxx, shoulder throws, behind the neck, etc. is
quite in depth.
4. I was a bit disappointed not to see more exploration of alberts,
treblas, etc. Maybe there will be more of that in the last 6 minutes, but
I'm doubting it.
5. Even people who normally only like higher numbers technical juggling
will probably find something to enjoy in this, BUT:
6. It's only REALLY worth the price if you are interested in 3b body
throws, or at least 3b in general. If you're not, you probably wouldn't
find much of the video interesting.
Arron Sparks
used to go every year as a birthday treat. So for me Wes and Jays video
had a lot to live up to...
And it does.
Arron
Brian Campbell
> More Fun Than Visiting a Zoo Volume 1
> Body Throw Variations as Arranged for 3 Balls
> Wesley Jefferson Peden & Jay Nathan Gilligan
>
> 20 minute downloadable video available for 10 dollars here.
>
> http://www.wespeden.com/crustyjuggler/3_Ball_video.html
Excellent video! These are exactly the sorts of tricks I've been
playing with recently, though not nearly at this level. I love coming
up with weird, cool combinations and variations of body throws. This
definitely gives me a lot of things to think about and work on. Also,
I like that it demonstrates lots of under-the-leg variations that are
intricate but don't require hopping back and forth from leg to leg in
a way that looks ridiculous. Oh, but that hopping trick actually got
Wes to smile, which was a bit lacking in the video; you're juggling,
have fun, lighten up!
Just a quick note on the production values. I know you said this was
supposed to be a low production value type of thing, intended more to
demonstrate technique than be flashy and pretty. That's a perfectly
fine goal, but there is a difference between low production values,
and simple production that emphasizes demonstrating the tricks over
putting on a show. This video was a bit blurry in places, and the
highlights on the ball were occasionally washed out, in a way that was
a little distracting. It's something that isn't too much of a problem,
but I'd prefer a little better production values from something that I
pay for, even if it is focused on a simple presentation. I'm certainly
not upset that I paid $10 for this; the content more than makes up for
the production, but still, I'd like not to have my cake and eat it
too.
-- Brian
lutkus
>
> Manipulation Research Laboratory presents:
> More Fun Than Visiting a Zoo Volume 1
> Body Throw Variations as Arranged for 3 Balls
> Wesley Jefferson Peden & Jay Nathan Gilligan
>
> 20 minute downloadable video available for 10 dollars here.
>
> http://www.wespeden.com/crustyjuggler/3_Ball_video.html
Nice! There are a number of tricks in there that I've attempted in the
past. I never put much time into them, and generally gave up, believing
that I simply could not contort my body enough for them to be possible.
You have demonstrated that by making sufficiently accurate throws (and
knowing where to aim) a person does not need to be made entirely out of
rubber to pull these things off.
--
Jeff
gonzo
What's fresh? Watching Wes exhale and grimace after pulling off
three-ball tricks; watching Jay's huge hands turn to blurry claws behind
his neck back leg wrist.
More Fun Than Visiting the Zoo is a service to jugglers -- and
discredited by anyone who deems it of interest only to three-ball body
move jugglers.
Wake up when a work of research this good goes public.
In 20 minutes, Jay and Wes show us, again, how to explore body, space,
movement, and rhythm -- not just patterns and siteswaps we already know
how to name. They've gone and done a shitton of work for all of us and in
the process they showed how much more 'work' there is to do: we're still
not taking enough body move cues from footbaggers, for example.
And, intentional or not, I think MFTVTZ is a salvo toward anyone who has
ever had the inkling that they'd mastered a prop or a number (like three).
Teasing and shenanigans aside (love them or hate them), this project has a
lasting purity and to-hell-with-impossibility tone.
Tony Gonzalez
Plumsie
>
>
> aaaaaaaaaand here's the trailer.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tadLeODw2nI
>
> also i forgot to mention that the text about the video and what is about
> in my first post was composed
> by Jay.
>
> /w
>
The trailer makes me think of Jon Peat with all of his insane 3 ball body
moves.
I'm definately going to have to download this if it is all that good
Plumsie.
GLF00
>
> More Fun Than Visiting the Zoo is a service to jugglers -- and
> discredited by anyone who deems it of interest only to three-ball body
> move jugglers.
>
How is it discrediting the video to think that it's mainly going to
interest 3b jugglers? Personally, I don't buy the WJF videos because I'm
not super interested in that style of juggling. I've got some friends who
are more into the standard technical/Gatto/WJF style and they buy the WJF
videos, TBTBIII, TYCD2, etc. whereas they don't own any Jay Gilligan
vids, 9-1 Nordic Objects, or anything like that.
I think it's pretty logical to assume that if a video is a deep
exploration of a certain type of juggling, mainly (though I won't say
only) those jugglers who are interested in that type of juggling will
enjoy it.
gonzo
certain type of juggling."
I didn't watch it as a video about just three balls or body moves, but as
a demonstration of how to explore a technique -- whatever the chosen
technique. It operates, I think, outside of an art/euro/manip/toss/WJF
spectrum.
I've seen a lot of juggling movies -- we all have -- and I think this one
could be especially important. Jugglers should watch and digest it
because:
1. We don't often see such sessions made public.
2. The combination of meticulous variation brainstorming (I assume
meticulousness)with the ball-to-the-walls energy (phrased thusly on
purpose) might be great enough to send all of us back to wherever it is we
create (drawing boards, mostly).
3. If it does what I think it does, then it might break down some of those
distinctions I mentioned above with all those backslashes. Meaning: it can
refresh and enliven all jugglers, regardless of their ultimate individual
goals or aesthetic preferences.
GLF00
Ah, okay. Personally, I didn't get all that out of it. Don't get me
wrong, I enjoyed the video a lot, but I think you're reading a bit deep.
Maybe some people will see it the way you do, but I'm pretty sure you'll
also have a fair number that won't.
So disagree with me, fine. But to state that I'm discrediting the video
is a bit far-fetched.
Al Teal
>
> Michael Karas wrote:
> >
> > At less than a cent per second, it's a bargain and way more entertaining
> > than a 5 club 5-up record.
> >
> > ~Karas
> >
> >
>
> I thought that (according to Wes) it wasn't supposed to be entertaining.
> ;-)
>
>
I agree it was a bargain and more entertaining than the current "world
record" competition although I encourage Anthony and Vova to post more
juggling videos for whatever reason.
For the amount of time Jay and Wes put into this project, they will
probably not make much money. I hope I am wrong and it is sad that there
is not a larger market for juggling.
Michael Karas
We have all become so used to youtube that it sucks not knowing how
successful a video project is, especially one of this magnitude. I'd be
really curious to know how many downloads this video got in, say, the
first week of being released. I can understand that Wes might not like us
to know because then we can calculate how much money he's made from the
project but it would still be interesting to know. For me, I'm just
curious to see how many jugglers in the world are willing to plop down
money for videos like these.
Al Teal
> For me, I'm just
> curious to see how many jugglers in the world are willing to plop down
> money for videos like these.
>
I am sure there are not enough ploppers. I plopped and will plop again. I
wonder how many people get videos like this from their friends for free.
Too many, I am sure.
I like that word "plop."
wes peden
yeah i don't have the best camera ever but i am hoping to make enough from
this to buy a new one to
use in future projects. glad you liked the content!
/wes