How many jugglers have pulled off db97531?

Daniele Caselli

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Nov 5, 2008, 9:39:29 AM11/5/08

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On 03/11/2008 CJ Smith wrote:
> How many jugglers have pulled off db97531?

_*Sondre Øverby*_ drew up this list:

- With video evidence -

Thomas Dietz - [1]
Daniel Eaker - [2]
Chris Fowler - [3]
Vladimir "Vova" Galʹčenko - [4], [a], [b]
Yousuke Hioki - [5], [c]
Bar Mualem - [6]
Stefan Paridaen - [7]
Wesley "Wes" Jefferson Peden - "Peden Tricks Sweden" video
Charles Edward "CJ" Smith Jr - [8]
Matthew "Tiff" Tiffany - Sondre's hard disk "db97531.MPEG2"
Josh Turner - [9]
Paweł Witczak - [10]
Kristian Wanvik - [11]
Kobashun (?) - [12], [c]

- Personal claims or without video I can find -

Benjamin "Ben" Beever
Peter Bone
Mike "UltimateWannabe" Corey Byington
Haavard Vatland HVidsten
Freddy "Porridge" Sheed
Daniel "Dan" Wood
«That small guy Sondre doesn't know the name of»

Daniele
_____________________________________________________________________

[a] Vasili, is "Vasilievich" part of his complete bureaucratic name?
[b] Transliteration from the original "Владимир (Вова) Гальченко"
using the International Standard Organization recommendations
(ISO 9:1995) - if you want to deepen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian
(and thanks to Vasili for the cyrillic version)
[c] Help me with the japanese names! We need the japanese version (with
Unicode) and its transliteration with an ISO standard, if it exists...

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Will S

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Nov 5, 2008, 9:48:15 AM11/5/08

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i've seen ben do it (ejc)
peter i think does it on the siteswap dvd. perhaps they both do?

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Daniele Caselli

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Nov 5, 2008, 9:53:44 AM11/5/08

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On 05/11/2008 Daniele Caselli wrote:
> Vladimir "Vova" Gal*ʹč*enko - [4], [a], [b]
> [...]
> Pawe*ł* Witczak - [10]
> [...]
> "*Владимир (Вова) Гальченко*"

Please select the Unicode (UTF-8) character set from the View menu of
your browser, and you'll see perfectly all these letters. Or better get
a decent newsreader (MesNews, Thunderbird and so on... Not Forté Agent
unfortunately!)

Daniele

P.S.: Ehi Paul SLRN supports Unicode?

jimifun

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Nov 5, 2008, 10:10:37 AM11/5/08

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there is no video i can think of, but gatto surely. i have seen him do 8
ball sideswaps.

AliTheJuggler

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Nov 5, 2008, 10:20:38 AM11/5/08

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video of vova
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mg6gIpdCqLE

Adam Van Houten

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Nov 5, 2008, 10:28:28 AM11/5/08

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Interesting... But how many have pulled off a hfdb97531? I'd like to see
THAT ceiling.

Daniele Caselli

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Nov 5, 2008, 10:36:46 AM11/5/08

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On 05/11/2008 AliTheJuggler wrote:
>
>> Daniele Caselli wrote:

>>> Vladimir "Vova" GalÊ¹Ä enko - [4], [a], [b]
>>> [4] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg6gIpdCqLE

>
> video of vova
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mg6gIpdCqLE

? May I ask you why did you repost it? :)

Daniele

Little Paul

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Nov 5, 2008, 11:00:13 AM11/5/08

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On 2008-11-05, Daniele Caselli <eleinadNO...@email.it> wrote:
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> P.S.: Ehi Paul SLRN supports Unicode?

As far as I know it does - but my shell doesn't. I keep meaning to
fix that but I just don't have the right shaped tuits.

-Paul
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AliTheJuggler

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Nov 5, 2008, 11:23:03 AM11/5/08

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Daniele Caselli wrote:
>
> On 05/11/2008 AliTheJuggler wrote:
> >
> >> Daniele Caselli wrote:

> >>> Vladimir "Vova" Galʹčenko - [4], [a], [b]

> >>> [4] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg6gIpdCqLE
> >
> > video of vova
> > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mg6gIpdCqLE
>
> ? May I ask you why did you repost it? :)
>
> Daniele
>

emmm ooops :) sorry

Adam Rowney

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Nov 5, 2008, 1:36:03 PM11/5/08

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Daniel Eaker did a flash of an fdb97531 in a video.
Not a hfdb97531 ;P

Rikard

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Nov 5, 2008, 1:41:18 PM11/5/08

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can anyone even throw a "h"?

RW

MartinQ

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Nov 5, 2008, 2:10:22 PM11/5/08

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>
> can anyone even throw a "h"?
>
> RW
>

Try the 1 ball siteswap h0000000000000000

;-)

AliTheJuggler

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Nov 5, 2008, 2:14:11 PM11/5/08

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i heard in one of luke burrages podcasts someone was doing a highest
siteswap throw thingy and i think it was peter bone or someone did an l
with (2x,2x)'s underneath

Vasili

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Nov 5, 2008, 2:49:36 PM11/5/08

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Daniele Caselli wrote:
>
> Vasili, is "Vasilievich" part of his complete bureaucratic name?

Yes, his full Russian name is Владимир Васильевич Гальченко or in
transliteration Vladimir Vasilievich Galchenko. Vasilievich is a
patronymic name (a name derived from the name of a father). In the USA
they don't use patronymic names, so in the United States Vova's full name
is Vladimir Galchenko.

Vasili

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Nov 5, 2008, 2:52:49 PM11/5/08

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Daniele Caselli wrote:
>
> On 05/11/2008 Daniele Caselli wrote:
> > Vladimir "Vova" Gal*ʹč*enko - [4], [a], [b]
> > [...]
> > Pawe*ł* Witczak - [10]
> > [...]
> > "*Владимир (Вова) Гальченко*"
>
> Please select the Unicode (UTF-8) character set from the View menu of
> your browser, and you'll see perfectly all these letters.

It works for Владимир (Вова) Гальченко, but doesn't
work for Gal*ʹč*enko.

Rikard

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Nov 5, 2008, 3:00:23 PM11/5/08

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MartinQ wrote:
>
>
> >
> > can anyone even throw a "h"?
> >
> > RW
> >
>
>
> Try the 1 ball siteswap h0000000000000000
>
> ;-)
>
>

i just did a z0000000000000000000000000000000000

Sondre Øverby

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Nov 5, 2008, 6:09:18 PM11/5/08

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jimifun wrote:
>
> there is no video i can think of, but gatto surely. i have seen him do 8
> ball sideswaps.
>

That logic doesn't really make too much sense.

Sondre

jimifun

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Nov 5, 2008, 7:16:19 PM11/5/08

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Sondre Řverby wrote:
>
> jimifun wrote:
> >
> > there is no video i can think of, but gatto surely. i have seen him do 8
> > ball sideswaps.
> >
>
> That logic doesn't really make too much sense.
>
> Sondre
>

i was not very clear. i mean his skill level is what i would consider to
be that on someone that can db97531. i think he has done things that might
be considers more technically difficult.
it stands to reason. each time there is a question like this, like the 7up
360 one, he is involved. it would understand if he had no video but i
would find it strange if he could not do it.
dave should have his say

Emman

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Nov 5, 2008, 7:23:41 PM11/5/08

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Ben does it on SS DvD, not Peter.
Emman

Schwolop

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Nov 5, 2008, 7:26:35 PM11/5/08

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Daniele Caselli wrote:
>
> On 03/11/2008 CJ Smith wrote:
> > How many jugglers have pulled off db97531?

Me (well, flashed at any rate...)
http://www.jugglethis.net/files/videos/jugglingtom2.avi

Mike Willett

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Nov 5, 2008, 7:59:03 PM11/5/08

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L throw:
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=8c6aa018e86dac21d360

If im not mistaken hes also gotten it with one more 31 underneath making
it an N throw maybe?

Brian Fahs

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Nov 5, 2008, 9:35:14 PM11/5/08

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"Vasili" <galtc...@mail.ru.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:4911f8d0$0$506$bed6...@news.gradwell.net...

> Daniele Caselli wrote:
>>
>> Vasili, is "Vasilievich" part of his complete bureaucratic name?
>
> Yes, his full Russian name is Владимир Васильевич Гальченко or in
> transliteration Vladimir Vasilievich Galchenko. Vasilievich is a
> patronymic name (a name derived from the name of a father). In the USA
> they don't use patronymic names, so in the United States Vova's full name
> is Vladimir Galchenko.

We don't use patronymic names much anymore, but there are still remnants of
them. Of course Johnson is a VERY common last name. Couldn't get much
clearer than that.

Brian

Vasili

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Nov 6, 2008, 4:35:33 AM11/6/08

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Sondre Řverby wrote:
>
> jimifun wrote:
> >
> > there is no video i can think of, but gatto surely. i have seen him do 8
> > ball sideswaps.
> >
>
> That logic doesn't really make too much sense.

Anthony Gatto just can't do db97531, that's why he doesn't have a video of
that. Vova can, so who is better? The answer is obvious! Vova!!! Ha-ha.

Adam Rowney

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Nov 6, 2008, 5:34:03 AM11/6/08

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Vasili wrote:
>
> Sondre Řverby wrote:
> >
> > jimifun wrote:
> > >
> > > there is no video i can think of, but gatto surely. i have seen him do 8
> > > ball sideswaps.
> > >
> >
> > That logic doesn't really make too much sense.
>
> Anthony Gatto just can't do db97531, that's why he doesn't have a video of
> that. Vova can, so who is better? The answer is obvious! Vova!!! Ha-ha.

Lol, here we go ;P

Colin E.

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Nov 6, 2008, 6:42:58 AM11/6/08

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jimifun wrote:
>
> Sondre Řverby wrote:
> >
> > jimifun wrote:
> > >
> > > there is no video i can think of, but gatto surely. i have seen him do 8
> > > ball sideswaps.
> > >
> >
> > That logic doesn't really make too much sense.
> >
> > Sondre
> >
>
> i was not very clear. i mean his skill level is what i would consider to
> be that on someone that can db97531. i think he has done things that might
> be considers more technically difficult.

His skill level is what i would consider to be that on someone that can
win the US Open Tennis Grand Slam. i think he has done things that might

be considers more technically difficult.

Colin E.

Daniele Caselli

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Nov 6, 2008, 7:34:18 AM11/6/08

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On 05/11/2008 Vasili wrote:
> Daniele Caselli wrote:
>>
>> On 05/11/2008 Daniele Caselli wrote:
>>> Vladimir "Vova" Gal*ʹč*enko - [4], [a], [b]
>>> [...]
>>> Pawe*ł* Witczak - [10]
>>> [...]
>>> "*Владимир (Вова) Гальченко*"
>>
>> Please select the Unicode (UTF-8) character set from the View menu of
>> your browser, and you'll see perfectly all these letters.
>
> It works for Владимир (Вова) Гальченко, but doesn't
> work for Gal*ʹč*enko.

Really strange, they are all unicode characters...

Daniele Caselli

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Nov 6, 2008, 7:46:03 AM11/6/08

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On 05/11/2008 Vasili wrote:
> Daniele Caselli wrote:
>>
>> Vasili, is "Vasilievich" part of his complete bureaucratic name?
>

> Yes, his full Russian name is Âëàäèìèð Âàñèëüåâè÷ Ãàëü÷åíêî

We can't read this one because JugglingDB.com uses an ISO-8859-1
charset not Unicode (ISO-8859-1 contains all the latin characters, but
not the cyrillic) so it was bad interpreted...

Daniele

Colin E.

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Nov 6, 2008, 8:10:17 AM11/6/08

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Daniele Caselli wrote:
>
> On 05/11/2008 Vasili wrote:
> > Daniele Caselli wrote:
> >>
> >> Vasili, is "Vasilievich" part of his complete bureaucratic name?
> >

> > Yes, his full Russian name is Владимир Васильевич Гальченко

>
> We can't read this one because JugglingDB.com uses an ISO-8859-1
> charset not Unicode (ISO-8859-1 contains all the latin characters, but
> not the cyrillic) so it was bad interpreted...

This is not strictly true. The IJDb serves pages in a character set
appropriate to the language being rendered for the majority of the site ...

http://www.jugglingdb.com/index.php?lang=en -> ISO-8859-1
http://www.jugglingdb.com/index.php?lang=ru -> koi8-r
http://www.jugglingdb.com/index.php?lang=ja -> EUC-JP

etc ...

The problem is that PHP Headliner does not honor the charset within the
Content-Type header for NNTP messages. I think this would turn into a
can-of-worms. What happens when you reply to a message, should yours use
the same character set? It looks like other newsreaders ignore this issue
also, for example LPs messages seem to indicate that SLRN does not add
charset to the headers.

Maybe RFC822 has something to say on the subject ...

Colin E.

Daniele Caselli

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Nov 6, 2008, 8:36:27 AM11/6/08

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On 06/11/2008 Colin E. wrote:

> Daniele Caselli wrote:
>>
>> We can't read this one because JugglingDB.com uses an ISO-8859-1
>> charset not Unicode (ISO-8859-1 contains all the latin characters,
>> but not the cyrillic) so it was bad interpreted...
>
> This is not strictly true. The IJDb serves pages in a character set
> appropriate to the language being rendered for the majority of the
> site...
>

> http://www.jugglingdb.com/index.php?lang=ru -> *koi8-r*

If so there would have been the same problem even though the PHP
Headliner had added that charset in Vasili's headers, because of the
incompatibility of the two charset.

> The problem is that PHP Headliner does not honor the charset within
> the Content-Type header for NNTP messages.

That's strange: it's a really common header and it's really useful
to obtain a correct newsreader interpretation. Couldn't you add it in
the future?

> What happens when you reply to a message, should yours use
> the same character set?

When I reply to a message, MesNews add the necessary charset warning
in the Content-Type header, and with "necessary" I mean "that one which
fits all the characters used in my post".

But if I reply to one of the JDB posts I obviously don't see properly
all the Unicode characters used by JDB posters because of the
disjointed
Content-Type header warning.

> It looks like other newsreaders ignore this issue also,
> for example LPs messages seem to indicate that SLRN does not add
> charset to the headers.

Really strange for a geek-oriented newsreader!!!!

> Maybe RFC822 has something to say on the subject...

What do you mean? Do you think it's not a recommended header? Thanks,

sean_

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Nov 6, 2008, 9:05:07 AM11/6/08

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> [b] Transliteration from the original "Владимир (Вова) ГÐ
�льченко"

> using the International Standard Organization recommendations
> (ISO 9:1995) - if you want to deepen:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian
> (and thanks to Vasili for the cyrillic version)
> [c] Help me with the japanese names! We need the japanese version (with
> Unicode) and its transliteration with an ISO standard, if it exists...
>

8.5? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uNeSor2GXB0

Daniele Caselli

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Nov 6, 2008, 9:08:36 AM11/6/08

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On 06/11/2008 sean_ wrote:

> Daniele Caselli wrote:
>>
>> Charles Edward "CJ" Smith Jr - [8]
>> Matthew "Tiff" Tiffany - Sondre's hard disk "db97531.MPEG2"
>> Josh Turner - [9]
>>
>>

>> [8] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV-bnCMkZdY
>> [9] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAmFtEdJMI8
>> [10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwvkbblNJGA
>> [11] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giOsNhQL3Mo
>> [12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n1BnMhAzi0
>>

> 8.5? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uNeSor2GXB0

Thank you!

Daniele Caselli

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Nov 6, 2008, 9:11:17 AM11/6/08

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On 06/11/2008 Emman wrote:

> Will S wrote:
>>
>> i've seen ben do it (ejc)
>> peter i think does it on the siteswap dvd. perhaps they both do?
>
> Ben does it on SS DvD, not Peter.
> Emman

Thanks, I'll update the list of video evidences...

Daniele Caselli

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Nov 6, 2008, 9:30:35 AM11/6/08

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On 03/11/2008 CJ Smith wrote:
> How many jugglers have pulled off db97531?

_*Sondre Øverby*_ drew up this list:

- With video evidence -

Benjamin "Ben" Beever - "The Siteswap DVD" from Media Circus

Thomas Dietz - [1]
Daniel Eaker - [2]
Chris Fowler - [3]

Vladimir "Vova" Vasilievič Galʹčenko - [4], [a]
Yousuke Hioki - [5], [b]

Bar Mualem - [6]
Stefan Paridaen - [7]
Wesley "Wes" Jefferson Peden - "Peden Tricks Sweden" video

Charles Edward "CJ" Smith Jr - [8]

Matthew "Tiff" Tiffany - [9]
Josh Turner - [10]
Paweł Witczak - [11]
Kristian Wanvik - [12]
Kobashun (?) - [13], [b]

- Personal claims or without video I can find -

Peter Bone

Mike "UltimateWannabe" Corey Byington
Haavard Vatland HVidsten
Freddy "Porridge" Sheed
Daniel "Dan" Wood
«That small guy Sondre doesn't know the name of»

Daniele
_____________________________________________________________________

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfEukiPWZvg
[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpWDJYPcj4o
[3] http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/video/db97531.wmv
[4] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg6gIpdCqLE
[5] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YCwaMjM3vk
[6] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcRSKVZ1YHM
[7] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yABXJ7ladZc

[8] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV-bnCMkZdY
[9] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNeSor2GXB0
[10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAmFtEdJMI8
[11] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwvkbblNJGA
[12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giOsNhQL3Mo
[13] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n1BnMhAzi0

[a] Transliteration from the original
"Владимир (Вова) Василиевич Гальченко"

using the International Standard Organization recommendations
(ISO 9:1995) - if you want to deepen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian

(and *thanks to Vasili* for the cyrillic version)

[b] Help me with the japanese names! We need the japanese version (with

Unicode) and its transliteration with an ISO standard, if it exists...

--

Will S

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Nov 6, 2008, 9:59:13 AM11/6/08

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I might be wrong here, but hasn't Matt Hall done db.. to a collect? Or
does it only count if you continue juggling afterwards?
Apologies if this is incorrect.
will

Rikard

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Nov 6, 2008, 11:47:49 AM11/6/08

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Vasili wrote:
>
> Sondre Řverby wrote:
> >
> > jimifun wrote:
> > >
> > > there is no video i can think of, but gatto surely. i have seen him do 8
> > > ball sideswaps.
> > >
> >
> > That logic doesn't really make too much sense.
>
> Anthony Gatto just can't do db97531, that's why he doesn't have a video of
> that. Vova can, so who is better? The answer is obvious! Vova!!! Ha-ha.
>

Wooo vova!!

Sondre Øverby

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Nov 6, 2008, 1:08:45 PM11/6/08

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No, only if you keep going afterwards for at least... yeah, how many
catches? Should we say 19 or more? That way you qualify the cascade after
the 5 catches of the db itself. Also, on throwing the thing up, you
already get 2 catches for the 3 and the 1, if we count the trick itself.
But as far as I've seen, you need for example at least 12 throws and thus
16 catches after a 6 ball 4 up 360 to qualify the trick. So I suppose
we'll go by at least 19 catches after the db97531 has been hurled up in
the air.

Sondre

Sondre Øverby

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Nov 6, 2008, 1:12:04 PM11/6/08

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Daniele Caselli wrote:
>
> On 06/11/2008 sean_ wrote:
> > Daniele Caselli wrote:
> >>
> >> Charles Edward "CJ" Smith Jr - [8]
> >> Matthew "Tiff" Tiffany - Sondre's hard disk "db97531.MPEG2"
> >> Josh Turner - [9]
> >>
> >>
> >> [8] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV-bnCMkZdY
> >> [9] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAmFtEdJMI8
> >> [10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwvkbblNJGA
> >> [11] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giOsNhQL3Mo
> >> [12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n1BnMhAzi0
> >>
>
> > 8.5? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uNeSor2GXB0
>
> Thank you!
>
> Daniele
>

He doesn't qualify after the first db though, even if you count the second
one as catches of a cascade, which I think we should. He gets 11 or 12
catches, but not 14. I suppose you can add this one as a link for him
though - it's not like anyone doubts he can do it... so yeah.

Sondre

Little Paul

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Nov 7, 2008, 6:04:07 AM11/7/08

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On 2008-11-06, Daniele Caselli <eleinadNO...@email.it> wrote:
>
>> It looks like other newsreaders ignore this issue also,
>> for example LPs messages seem to indicate that SLRN does not add
>> charset to the headers.
>
> Really strange for a geek-oriented newsreader!!!!

Not really. It's so configurable it's almost certainly a option that
you're supposed to set that I've never bothered to. I wouldn't
be surprised if it allowed you to set the appropriate header field
on a per-group basis. [0]

I know I've got it set to waive the chicken for a certain newsgroups
that require chickenwaving - but it doesn't do so here.[1] so
setting arbitrary headers is certainly possible.

>> Maybe RFC822 has something to say on the subject...
>
> What do you mean? Do you think it's not a recommended header? Thanks,

It would appear from my copy of the cock book ("Managing Usenet" - O'reilly)
that the Content-Type: header can specify any charset it likes. *but*
the body of a message may only contain ASCII (ANSI X3.4) characters
so if the charset specified requires characters outside that range it
should use an encoding scheme (either 8bit, binary, quoted-printable or
base64) which is specified as part of a MIME message.

I may be misreading it, but that's just the sort of bass ackwards solution
I've come to expect from trying to extend the characterset allowed in
a protocol that evolved when the world was 7bit ascii

Charactersets are a mess. A huge, complicated, tentacled mess. Retro
fitting them to an ascii protocol is worse.

The ideal solution involves time travel, and getting it right back when
the net was young - although persuading those involved that 8-32 bits per
character (UTF8-UTF32) is better than 7 bits per character, back when
every bit counted would be non-trivial anyway.

Why do you think ascii won over ebcdic?

obJuggle: I was leafing through 4000 years last night, and was slightly
surprised to notice that there is no section for solo club jugglers.

There are however two sections for club teams which contain small amounts
of info about solo jugglers - including that the first recorded 5 club
juggler was a Brit. Rah!

-Paul
[0] Hell, it could probably set it based on the third character in the
second messageid in the references header if you wanted it to.

[1] If you don't know what this refers to, you will probably never need
to, and if I gave you the required UI - I'd expect a whistling sound
from above. I include it merely as an example.

Colin E.

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Nov 7, 2008, 6:30:58 AM11/7/08

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Little Paul wrote:

> obJuggle: I was leafing through 4000 years last night, and was slightly
> surprised to notice that there is no section for solo club jugglers.
>
> There are however two sections for club teams which contain small amounts
> of info about solo jugglers - including that the first recorded 5 club
> juggler was a Brit. Rah!

Who would that be then?

I was also surprised to see on one of the pictures a man juggling what
appears to be three balls blind behind the back. I always thought of that
as a very modern juggling trick.

Little Paul

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On 2008-11-07, Colin E. <webm...@jugglingdb.com.nospam.com> wrote:
> Little Paul wrote:
>
>> obJuggle: I was leafing through 4000 years last night, and was slightly
>> surprised to notice that there is no section for solo club jugglers.
>>
>> There are however two sections for club teams which contain small amounts
>> of info about solo jugglers - including that the first recorded 5 club
>> juggler was a Brit. Rah!
>
> Who would that be then?

I can't remember the name, but I remember it was somewhen around 1800
which was earlier than I was expecting. I'll look it up when I get
home tonight and type up the appropriate passage.

If anyone happens to have a copy handy, I think it was in the text
at the begining of the club teams section from Volume 2.

I was originally hoping to find someone who had performed solo with
8 clubs - from what I remember the closest I could get was a couple
of 6 club and one 7 club act.

-Paul
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Daniele Caselli

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Nov 7, 2008, 8:47:26 AM11/7/08

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On 07/11/2008 Little Paul wrote:
> On 2008-11-06, Daniele Caselli <eleinadNO...@email.it> wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like other newsreaders ignore this issue also,
>>> for example LPs messages seem to indicate that SLRN does not add
>>> charset to the headers.
>>
>> Really strange for a geek-oriented newsreader!!!!
>
> Not really. It's so configurable it's almost certainly a option that
> you're supposed to set that I've never bothered to. I wouldn't
> be surprised if it allowed you to set the appropriate header field
> on a per-group basis. [0]
>

> [0] Hell, it could probably set it based on the third character in the
> second messageid in the references header if you wanted it to.

:-) That's what I meant for "geek-oriented newsreader"!

> It would appear from my copy of the cock book ("Managing Usenet" -
> O'reilly) that the Content-Type: header can specify any charset it
> likes. *but* the body of a message may only contain ASCII (ANSI X3.4)
> characters so if the charset specified requires characters outside
> that range it should use an encoding scheme (either 8bit, binary,
> quoted-printable or base64) which is specified as part of a MIME
> message.

Thanks for this explanation which weasels me out of reading the right
RFC822 standards paragraph. :-P

> Charactersets are a mess. A huge, complicated, tentacled mess.

I've already tested it myself when I was bogged down with Forté Agent
encoding limits :-S .

> Why do you think ascii won over ebcdic?

Because it's easier to pronounce of course! :-D

Daniele Caselli

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Nov 14, 2008, 7:37:46 AM11/14/08

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On 06/11/2008 Daniele Caselli wrote:
>
> Yousuke Hioki - [5], [b]
>

> [...]

>
> Kobashun (?) - [13], [b]
>

> [...]

>
> [b] Help me with the japanese names!
> We need the japanese version (with Unicode) and its transliteration
> with an ISO standard, if it exists...

*Ken Nishimura* please help us (jugglers) giving your mother tongue
knowledge. We need a trustworthy Japanese kana writing of these two
names using Unicode charsets and their ISO transcriptions:
Kunrei-shiki rōmaji/Kunrei-shiki romanization (ISO 3602) and/or
Nihon-shiki rōmaji/Nihon-shiki romanization (ISO 3602 Strict).

Thank you if you will be so kind!

Daniele

Daniele Caselli

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Dec 16, 2008, 3:58:30 PM12/16/08

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CJ Smith asked how many jugglers have pulled off a
db97531

- With video evidence -

Benjamin "Ben" Beever - "The Siteswap DVD" (Media Circus)

Thomas Dietz - [1]
Daniel Eaker - [2]

David Ferman - [3]
Chris Fowler - [4]
Vladimir "Vova" Vasilievič Galʹčenko - [5]
Yousuke Hioki - [6]
Bar Mualem - [7]
Stefan Paridaen - [8]

Wesley "Wes" Jefferson Peden - "Peden Tricks Sweden"

Charles Edward "CJ" Smith Jr - [9]
Matthew "Tiff" Tiffany - [10]
Josh Turner - [11]
Paweł Witczak - [12]
Kristian Wanvik - [13]
Kobashun (?) - [14]

- Personal claims -

Peter Bone
Mike Corey Byington ("UltimateWannabe")
Haavard Vatland HVidsten
Freddy Sheed
Daniel Wood

Daniele
________________________________________________

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfEukiPWZvg
[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpWDJYPcj4o

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David Ferman

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Dec 16, 2008, 5:11:11 PM12/16/08

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Daniele Caselli wrote:
>
> On 03/11/2008 CJ Smith wrote:
> > How many jugglers have pulled off db97531?
>
> _*Sondre Øverby*_ drew up this list:
>
>

> - With video evidence -
>

> Thomas Dietz - [1]
> Daniel Eaker - [2]

> Chris Fowler - [3]
> Vladimir "Vova" Galʹčenko - [4], [a], [b]
> Yousuke Hioki - [5], [c]

> Bar Mualem - [6]
> Stefan Paridaen - [7]

> Wesley "Wes" Jefferson Peden - "Peden Tricks Sweden" video

> Charles Edward "CJ" Smith Jr - [8]
> Matthew "Tiff" Tiffany - Sondre's hard disk "db97531.MPEG2"
> Josh Turner - [9]

> Paweł Witczak - [10]
> Kristian Wanvik - [11]
> Kobashun (?) - [12], [c]
>

> - Personal claims or without video I can find -
>

> Benjamin "Ben" Beever

> Peter Bone
> Mike "UltimateWannabe" Corey Byington
> Haavard Vatland HVidsten
> Freddy "Porridge" Sheed
> Daniel "Dan" Wood
> «That small guy Sondre doesn't know the name of»
>
> Daniele
> _____________________________________________________________________
>

> [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfEukiPWZvg
> [2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpWDJYPcj4o

> [3] http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/video/db97531.wmv
> [4] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg6gIpdCqLE
> [5] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YCwaMjM3vk
> [6] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcRSKVZ1YHM
> [7] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yABXJ7ladZc

> [8] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV-bnCMkZdY
> [9] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAmFtEdJMI8
> [10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwvkbblNJGA
> [11] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giOsNhQL3Mo
> [12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n1BnMhAzi0
>

> [a] Vasili, is "Vasilievich" part of his complete bureaucratic name?

> [b] Transliteration from the original "Владимир (Вова)

Гальченко"
> using the International Standard Organization recommendations
> (ISO 9:1995) - if you want to deepen:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian

> (and thanks to Vasili for the cyrillic version)

> [c] Help me with the japanese names! We need the japanese version (with

> Unicode) and its transliteration with an ISO standard, if it exists...
>

Dont forget me!!!
David Ferman!
I finally got it on Sunday and got it again in a five minute practice on
Monday. Heres the video evidence from Sunday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZbY1XyPiek

Ben Thompson

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Dec 16, 2008, 5:59:52 PM12/16/08

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You can add me to that personal claims list.

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jo gazab

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Dec 17, 2008, 5:33:52 AM12/17/08

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Daniele Caselli wrote:
>
> On 03/11/2008 CJ Smith wrote:
> > How many jugglers have pulled off db97531?
>
> _*Sondre Øverby*_ drew up this list:
>
>
> - With video evidence -
>
> Thomas Dietz - [1]
> Daniel Eaker - [2]
> Chris Fowler - [3]
> Vladimir "Vova" Galʹčenko - [4], [a], [b]
> Yousuke Hioki - [5], [c]
> Bar Mualem - [6]
> Stefan Paridaen - [7]
> Wesley "Wes" Jefferson Peden - "Peden Tricks Sweden" video
> Charles Edward "CJ" Smith Jr - [8]
> Matthew "Tiff" Tiffany - Sondre's hard disk "db97531.MPEG2"
> Josh Turner - [9]
> Paweł Witczak - [10]
> Kristian Wanvik - [11]
> Kobashun (?) - [12], [c]

I don't know if he has been mentioned here:

Yousuke Hioki

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YCwaMjM3vk

At the end of the video, there are 3 or 4 db97531 (not in a row though,
but... yeah!)

regards,
Jo

jo gazab

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Dec 17, 2008, 5:37:23 AM12/17/08

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..ooops, just noticing that he's in Sondre's list already... well he's
good anyways.

Daniele Caselli

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Dec 28, 2008, 9:14:42 AM12/28/08

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CJ Smith asked how many jugglers have pulled off a
db97531

- With video evidence -

Benjamin "Ben" Beever - "The Siteswap DVD" (Media Circus)
Thomas Dietz - [1]
Daniel Eaker - [2], two in a row [3]
David Ferman - [4]
Chris Fowler - [5]
Vladimir "Vova" Vasilievič Galʹčenko - [6]
Yousuke Hioki - [7]
Bar Mualem - [8]
Stefan Paridaen - [9]

Wesley "Wes" Jefferson Peden - "Peden Tricks Sweden"

Charles Edward "CJ" Smith Jr - [10]
Matthew "Tiff" Tiffany - [11]
Josh Turner - [12]
Paweł Witczak - [13]
Kristian Wanvik - [14]
Kobashun (?) - [15]

- Personal claims -

Peter Bone
Mike Corey Byington
Haavard Vatland HVidsten
Freddy Sheed
Daniel Wood

Daniele

________________________________________________

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Ben Thompson

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Dec 29, 2008, 1:33:50 PM12/29/08

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I'm still not on the personal claims list...

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Lauge1080

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Dec 29, 2008, 6:10:34 PM12/29/08

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I got it back to 5 catches! =)

Daniele Caselli

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Dec 30, 2008, 6:03:41 AM12/30/08

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On 29/12/2008 Ben Thompson wrote:
> I'm still not on the personal claims list...

Sorry! I remembered there was another "personal claim"
but I didn't find it.

Dan

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parlare da solo e parlare a una folla.»
Cesare Pavese

Daniele Caselli

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Dec 30, 2008, 6:05:09 AM12/30/08

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CJ Smith asked how many jugglers have pulled off a
db97531

- With video evidence -

Benjamin "Ben" Beever - "The Siteswap DVD" (Media Circus)
Thomas Dietz - [1]
Daniel Eaker - [2], two in a row [3]
David Ferman - [4]
Chris Fowler - [5]
Vladimir "Vova" Vasilievič Galʹčenko - [6]
Yousuke Hioki - [7]
Bar Mualem - [8]
Stefan Paridaen - [9]
Wesley "Wes" Jefferson Peden - "Peden Tricks Sweden"
Charles Edward "CJ" Smith Jr - [10]
Matthew "Tiff" Tiffany - [11]
Josh Turner - [12]
Paweł Witczak - [13]
Kristian Wanvik - [14]
Kobashun (?) - [15]

- Personal claims -

Peter Bone
Mike Corey Byington
Haavard Vatland HVidsten
Freddy Sheed

Benjamin "Ben" Thompson
Daniel Wood

Daniele

________________________________________________

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Lauge

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Mar 16, 2009, 4:43:08 PM3/16/09

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I guess you can add me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcqiV_0VYYo it's in
the end

Daniele Caselli

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Mar 17, 2009, 7:43:35 AM3/17/09

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On 16/03/2009 Lauge wrote:
>
> I guess you can add me.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcqiV_0VYYo it's in the
> end

You could add it yourself... :-S

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Daniele Caselli

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Mar 17, 2009, 7:43:49 AM3/17/09

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CJ Smith asked how many jugglers have pulled off a
db97531

- With video evidence -

Benjamin "Ben" Beever - "The Siteswap DVD" (Media Circus)

Lauge Benjaminsen - [1]
Thomas Dietz - [2]
Daniel Eaker - [3], two in a row [4]
David Ferman - [5]
Chris Fowler - [6]
Vladimir "Vova" Vasilievič Galʹčenko - [7]
Yousuke Hioki - [8]
Bar Mualem - [9]
Stefan Paridaen - [10]

Wesley "Wes" Jefferson Peden - "Peden Tricks Sweden"

Charles Edward "CJ" Smith Jr - [11]
Matthew "Tiff" Tiffany - [12]
Josh Turner - [13]
Paweł Witczak - [14]
Kristian Wanvik - [15]
Kobashun (?) - [16]

- Personal claims -

Peter Bone
Mike Corey Byington

Freddy Sheed
Benjamin "Ben" Thompson

Haavard Vatland HVidsten
Daniel Wood

_______________________________________________
[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcqiV_0VYYo
[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfEukiPWZvg
[3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpWDJYPcj4o
[4] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCEsWO9xEnQ
[5] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZbY1XyPiek
[6] http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/video/db97531.wmv
[7] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg6gIpdCqLE
[8] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YCwaMjM3vk
[9] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcRSKVZ1YHM
[10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yABXJ7ladZc
[11] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV-bnCMkZdY
[12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNeSor2GXB0
[13] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAmFtEdJMI8
[14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwvkbblNJGA
[15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giOsNhQL3Mo
[16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n1BnMhAzi0

Lauge

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Mar 17, 2009, 9:54:45 AM3/17/09

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Daniele Caselli wrote:
>
> On 16/03/2009 Lauge wrote:
> >
> > I guess you can add me.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcqiV_0VYYo it's in the
> > end
>
> You could add it yourself... :-S
>

Oh sry, I thought i worked diffend.
but thanks a lot :)

Daniele Caselli

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Mar 25, 2009, 5:49:16 AM3/25/09

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CJ Smith asked how many jugglers have pulled off a
db97531

- With video evidence -

Benjamin "Ben" Beever - "The Siteswap DVD" (Media
Circus) Lauge Benjaminsen - [1]
Thomas Dietz - [2]
Daniel Eaker - [3], two in a row [4]
David Ferman - [5]
Chris Fowler - [6]

Vladimir "Vova" Vasilieviฤ Galสนฤ enko - [7]
Yousuke Hioki - [8] [a]

Bar Mualem - [9]
Stefan Paridaen - [10]
Wesley "Wes" Jefferson Peden - "Peden Tricks Sweden"
Charles Edward "CJ" Smith Jr - [11]
Matthew "Tiff" Tiffany - [12]
Josh Turner - [13]

Paweล Witczak - [14]
Kristian Wanvik - [15]
Kobayashi Shuniti - [16] [b]

- Personal claims -

Peter Bone
Mike Corey Byington
Freddy Sheed
Benjamin "Ben" Thompson
Haavard Vatland HVidsten
Daniel Wood

_______________________________________________

[a] Yousuke Hioki (respectively surname and name)
is the Kunrei-shiki romanization of:
the Hiragana syllabic system ใมฒใม ใม ใย ใม ใม ใม‘ or
the Katakana syllabic system ใร’ใยชใยญ ใรจใยฆใยนใยฑ while
the Kanji logographic system is ็มซ็ฎ ู้ฝไป

[b] Kobayashi Shuniti (respectively surname and name)
is the Kunrei-shiki romanization of:
the Hiragana syllabic system ใม“ใมฐใย ใม— ใม—ใย…ใย“ใม ใมก or
the Katakana syllabic system ใยณใร ใรคใยท ใยทใรฅใรณใยคใร while
the Kanji logographic system is ๅ๐ ๆ — ไฟ ไธ€

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Daniele Caselli

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Mar 25, 2009, 5:52:34 AM3/25/09

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Thanks to Yousuke Hioki for the help. Now "Kobashun" has
a *real name* here, and both have their original japanese
transcriptions.

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Daniele Caselli

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Mar 25, 2009, 6:37:59 AM3/25/09

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CJ Smith asked how many jugglers have pulled off a
db97531

- With video evidence -

Benjamin "Ben" Beever - "The Siteswap DVD" (Media
Circus) Lauge Benjaminsen - [1]
Thomas Dietz - [2]
Daniel Eaker - [3], two in a row [4]
David Ferman - [5]
Chris Fowler - [6]
Vladimir "Vova" Vasilieviฤ Galสนฤ enko - [7]
Yousuke Hioki - [8] [a]

Shuniti Kobayashi - [9] [b]
Bar Mualem - [10]
Stefan Paridaen - [11]

Wesley "Wes" Jefferson Peden - "Peden Tricks Sweden"

Charles Edward "CJ" Smith Jr - [12]
Matthew "Tiff" Tiffany - [13]
Josh Turner - [14]
Paweล Witczak - [15]
Kristian Wanvik - [16]

- Personal claims -

Peter Bone
Mike Corey Byington
Freddy Sheed
Benjamin "Ben" Thompson
Haavard Vatland HVidsten
Daniel Wood

_______________________________________________

[a] Yousuke Hioki (respectively name and surname)

is the Kunrei-shiki romanization of:
the Hiragana syllabic system ใมฒใม ใม ใย ใม ใม ใม‘ or
the Katakana syllabic system ใร’ใยชใยญ ใรจใยฆใยนใยฑ while
the Kanji logographic system is ็มซ็ฎ ู้ฝไป

[b] Shuniti Kobayashi (respectively name and surname)

is the Kunrei-shiki romanization of:
the Hiragana syllabic system ใม“ใมฐใย ใม— ใม—ใย…ใย“ใม ใมก or
the Katakana syllabic system ใยณใร ใรคใยท ใยทใรฅใรณใยคใร while
the Kanji logographic system is ๅ๐ ๆ — ไฟ ไธ€

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcqiV_0VYYo
[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfEukiPWZvg
[3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpWDJYPcj4o
[4] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCEsWO9xEnQ
[5] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZbY1XyPiek
[6] http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/video/db97531.wmv
[7] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg6gIpdCqLE
[8] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YCwaMjM3vk

[9] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n1BnMhAzi0
[10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcRSKVZ1YHM
[11] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yABXJ7ladZc
[12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV-bnCMkZdY
[13] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNeSor2GXB0
[14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAmFtEdJMI8
[15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwvkbblNJGA
[16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giOsNhQL3Mo

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Matthew Tiffany

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Mar 25, 2009, 11:19:02 AM3/25/09

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Daniele Caselli wrote:
>
> On 03/11/2008 CJ Smith wrote:
> > How many jugglers have pulled off db97531?
>
> _*Sondre Øverby*_ drew up this list:
>
>

> - With video evidence -
>

> Thomas Dietz - [1]
> Daniel Eaker - [2]

> Chris Fowler - [3]
> Vladimir "Vova" Galʹčenko - [4], [a], [b]
> Yousuke Hioki - [5], [c]
> Bar Mualem - [6]
> Stefan Paridaen - [7]
> Wesley "Wes" Jefferson Peden - "Peden Tricks Sweden" video
> Charles Edward "CJ" Smith Jr - [8]
> Matthew "Tiff" Tiffany - Sondre's hard disk "db97531.MPEG2"
> Josh Turner - [9]
> Paweł Witczak - [10]
> Kristian Wanvik - [11]
> Kobashun (?) - [12], [c]
>
>

ive never actually done it, i lied, please delete me from the list.
tiff
xx

Mats1

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Mar 25, 2009, 1:34:38 PM3/25/09

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Matthew Tiffany wrote:
> ive never actually done it, i lied, please delete me from the list.
> tiff
> xx
>

I saw you do it right in front of me! Into a nice 7 pattern afterwards
too!

Daniele Caselli

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Mar 25, 2009, 2:00:18 PM3/25/09

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On 25/03/2009 Mats1 wrote:
> Matthew Tiffany wrote:
>> ive never actually done it, i lied, please delete me
>> from the list. tiff
>> xx
>>
>
> I saw you do it right in front of me! Into a nice 7
> pattern afterwards too!

:-?

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Draitube

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Mar 26, 2009, 4:37:02 PM3/26/09

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Oh Matt

You and your cheeky jokes!

LuisMi

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May 23, 2009, 2:35:58 PM5/23/09

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CJ Smith asked how many jugglers have pulled off a
db97531

- With video evidence -

Benjamin "Ben" Beever - "The Siteswap DVD" (Media

Circus) Lauge Benjaminsen - [1]
Thomas Dietz - [2]
Daniel Eaker - [3], two in a row [4]
David Ferman - [5]
Chris Fowler - [6]

Vladimir "Vova" Vasilievič Galʹčenko - [7]

Yousuke Hioki - [8] [a]
Shuniti Kobayashi - [9] [b]
Bar Mualem - [10]
Stefan Paridaen - [11]

Wesley "Wes" Jefferson Peden - "Peden Tricks Sweden"

Charles Edward "CJ" Smith Jr - [12]
Matthew "Tiff" Tiffany - [13]
Josh Turner - [14]

Paweł Witczak - [15]
Kristian Wanvik - [16]
Luis Miguel Gil - [17]

- Personal claims -

Peter Bone
Mike Corey Byington
Freddy Sheed
Benjamin "Ben" Thompson
Haavard Vatland HVidsten
Daniel Wood

_______________________________________________

[a] Yousuke Hioki (respectively name and surname)
is the Kunrei-shiki romanization of:

the Hiragana syllabic system or
the Katakana syllabic system � � � � � � � while
the Kanji logographic system is ٽ介

[b] Shuniti Kobayashi (respectively name and surname)
is the Kunrei-shiki romanization of:

the Hiragana syllabic system or
the Katakana syllabic system � � � � � � � � � while
the Kanji logographic system is 林 俊一

[17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv9VaRvHO-0

Matthew Tiffany

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May 23, 2009, 2:53:33 PM5/23/09

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i do believe u but your video doesnt count, after all the 'what is a world
record' fuss recently i know that this isnt quite good enough cos people
told me you have to get back to a stable pattern or you have to get more
than 14c.
you didnt get a good qualify afterwards, great db though it looks very
nice.
tiff#x

LuisMi

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May 23, 2009, 2:58:40 PM5/23/09

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I thought like you, but in the topyc where i had linked my video, someone
told me to add here, but no problem, tomorrow i'll record again and upload
xD

Sorry for the inconveniences

Matthew Tiffany

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May 23, 2009, 3:19:13 PM5/23/09

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hehe, i dont care, as i said, i believe you, your pattern looked pretty
good when you went back into 7.

but lots of people i hear need 14catches, which is rediclous, i think it
should be a pattern that looks good enough to be maintained to 100catches.

tiff
x

pretty good video all round really, cc88441 is rock hard!

Emman

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May 24, 2009, 3:02:55 PM5/24/09

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Daniele Caselli wrote:
>
> On 03/11/2008 CJ Smith wrote:
> > How many jugglers have pulled off db97531?
>
> _*Sondre Øverby*_ drew up this list:
>
>

> - With video evidence -
>

> Thomas Dietz - [1]
> Daniel Eaker - [2]
> Chris Fowler - [3]
> Vladimir "Vova" Galʹčenko - [4], [a], [b]
> Yousuke Hioki - [5], [c]
> Bar Mualem - [6]
> Stefan Paridaen - [7]
> Wesley "Wes" Jefferson Peden - "Peden Tricks Sweden" video
> Charles Edward "CJ" Smith Jr - [8]
> Matthew "Tiff" Tiffany - Sondre's hard disk "db97531.MPEG2"
> Josh Turner - [9]
> Paweł Witczak - [10]
> Kristian Wanvik - [11]
> Kobashun (?) - [12], [c]
>

> - Personal claims or without video I can find -
>
> Benjamin "Ben" Beever
> Peter Bone

> Mike "UltimateWannabe" Corey Byington
> Haavard Vatland HVidsten

> Freddy "Porridge" Sheed
> Daniel "Dan" Wood
> «That small guy Sondre doesn't know the name of»
>
> Daniele
> _____________________________________________________________________
>

> [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfEukiPWZvg
> [2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpWDJYPcj4o

> [3] http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/video/db97531.wmv
> [4] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg6gIpdCqLE
> [5] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YCwaMjM3vk
> [6] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcRSKVZ1YHM
> [7] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yABXJ7ladZc
> [8] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV-bnCMkZdY
> [9] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAmFtEdJMI8
> [10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwvkbblNJGA
> [11] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giOsNhQL3Mo
> [12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n1BnMhAzi0
>
> [a] Vasili, is "Vasilievich" part of his complete bureaucratic name?
> [b] Transliteration from the original "Владимир (Вова)
Гальченко"
> using the International Standard Organization recommendations
> (ISO 9:1995) - if you want to deepen:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian
> (and thanks to Vasili for the cyrillic version)
> [c] Help me with the japanese names! We need the japanese version (with
> Unicode) and its transliteration with an ISO standard, if it exists...
>

Might want to add: Lauge Benjaminsen, Noah Malone and Matt Hall (He told
me he did it twice at Montreal's fest)

Eo Ipso

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May 24, 2009, 3:17:28 PM5/24/09

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On 24/05/2009 Emman typed:

>
> Might want to add: Lauge Benjaminsen,

He is already in the updated list...

> Noah Malone

Personal claim or video evidence?

> Matt Hall (He told me he did it twice at Montreal's
> fest)

Ok thanks.

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Ciao ciao,

Daniele

Brook Roberts

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May 24, 2009, 3:22:47 PM5/24/09

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5NnvAFseu8
Last trick on the video - but watch whole thing...tis rather good.

ultimatewannabe

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Jul 29, 2009, 1:03:39 PM7/29/09

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CJ Smith asked how many jugglers have pulled off a
db97531

- With video evidence -

Benjamin "Ben" Beever - "The Siteswap DVD" (Media

Circus) Lauge Benjaminsen - [1]
Thomas Dietz - [2]
Daniel Eaker - [3], two in a row [4]
David Ferman - [5]
Chris Fowler - [6]
Vladimir "Vova" Vasilievič Galʹčenko - [7]
Yousuke Hioki - [8] [a]
Shuniti Kobayashi - [9] [b]
Bar Mualem - [10]
Stefan Paridaen - [11]

Wesley "Wes" Jefferson Peden - "Peden Tricks Sweden"

Charles Edward "CJ" Smith Jr - [12]
Matthew "Tiff" Tiffany - [13]
Josh Turner - [14]
Paweł Witczak - [15]
Kristian Wanvik - [16]
Luis Miguel Gil - [17]

Mike Corey Byington - [18]

- Personal claims -

Peter Bone

_______________________________________________

[18] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FDQjSjHpG4

I'm moving my name from claim to video but I should ask if I need a
qualify before the trick for it to count. If I do then I'm back in the
claims list.

Mike

G.A.R

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Jul 29, 2009, 4:42:48 PM7/29/09

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Niels Duinker too

ultimatewannabe

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Jul 30, 2009, 1:39:06 AM7/30/09

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G.A.R wrote:
>
> Niels Duinker too
>

With or without video?

Emman

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Aug 1, 2009, 8:16:26 PM8/1/09

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I just remembered about someone doing db97531 in the addicted DVD, who was
that? Stefan?

Emman

Norbi

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Aug 2, 2009, 12:15:13 AM8/2/09

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Emman wrote:
>
> I just remembered about someone doing db97531 in the addicted DVD, who was
> that? Stefan?
>
> Emman
>

Yeah he's done it on other videos too. He's number 7 in the original list.

Nor

Emman

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Aug 2, 2009, 2:24:32 PM8/2/09

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Norbi wrote:
>
> Emman wrote:
> >
> > I just remembered about someone doing db97531 in the addicted DVD, who was
> > that? Stefan?
> >
> > Emman
> >
>
> Yeah he's done it on other videos too. He's number 7 in the original list.
>
> Nor
>

Yeah, I simply didn't remember him being in addicted.

Emm

Eo Ipso

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Aug 3, 2009, 6:44:34 AM8/3/09

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The updated list is here:

<news:mn.cb147d95b...@mesnews.net>
http://groups.google.com/group/it.hobby.giochi/browse_thread/thread/bb7446d4c29191a3/1ada2b53661efc?q=#001ada2b53661efc

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Ciao ciao da me

Eo Ipso

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Aug 3, 2009, 6:44:32 AM8/3/09

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On 29/07/2009 G.A.R typed:
>
> Niels Duinker too

Does he have video evidence?

Thanks...

G.A.R

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Aug 4, 2009, 2:12:56 AM8/4/09

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Eo Ipso wrote:
>
> On 29/07/2009 G.A.R typed:
> >
> > Niels Duinker too
>
> Does he have video evidence?
>
> Thanks...
>

I don't think so. But I saw him make one or two very close clean looking
attempts last year at IJA that would imply that he could do it. Does this
count as evidence?

Eo Ipso

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Aug 4, 2009, 5:01:28 AM8/4/09

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On 04/08/2009 G.A.R typed:

> Eo Ipso wrote:
>>
>> On 29/07/2009 G.A.R typed:
>>>
>>> Niels Duinker too
>>
>> Does he have video evidence?
>

> I don't think so. But I saw him make one or two very
> close clean looking attempts last year at IJA that
> would imply that he could do it. Does this count as
> evidence?

Unfortunately not in this list; I could add him to the
"personal claim" list, but he never publicly claimed to
have juggled that trick, AFAIK :-?

rhalf

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Aug 4, 2009, 8:49:35 AM8/4/09

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G.A.R wrote:
>
> Eo Ipso wrote:
> >
> > On 29/07/2009 G.A.R typed:
> > >
> > > Niels Duinker too
> >
> > Does he have video evidence?
> >
> > Thanks...
> >
>
> I don't think so. But I saw him make one or two very close clean looking
> attempts last year at IJA that would imply that he could do it. Does this
> count as evidence?
>

Yes, eyewitness evidence :) But do you have firewire port in your head?

popstar_dave

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Aug 4, 2009, 9:09:19 AM8/4/09

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rhalf wrote:
>
> G.A.R wrote:
> >
> > Eo Ipso wrote:
> > >
> > > On 29/07/2009 G.A.R typed:
> > > >
> > > > Niels Duinker too
> > >
> > > Does he have video evidence?
> > >
> > > Thanks...
> > >
> >
> > I don't think so. But I saw him make one or two very close clean looking
> > attempts last year at IJA that would imply that he could do it. Does this
> > count as evidence?
> >
>

> But do you have firewire port in your head?
>

No, but you should see his dongle.