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Allison0z

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Nov 8, 2009, 9:02:15 PM11/8/09
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I read about it on Wikki but I still don't know what it is? Could some
please explain.

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Hydrophidian

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Nov 8, 2009, 9:43:33 PM11/8/09
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siteswap

If you read that and still don't know, I'm sorry.

-Rico

Boppo

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Nov 9, 2009, 12:24:22 AM11/9/09
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It's a family of tricks based on the idea that balls can switch places
with one another, compared to where they were "supposed to go," by
throwing one or more higher than the normal pattern, delaying them,
and then advancing others by throwing them lower than the normal
pattern. Each throw gets a number which is how many throws later that
ball will be dealt with again, although it is common to denote two-
digit numbers with letters, 10=a, 11=b, etc. (But, the throws are
*numbers*.)

What's nice about them is that you can both describe and invent tricks
if you know the scheme. There is a doubly infinite number of them -
an infinite number for any given number of props, and an infinite
number of those. But if you limit the number of props, and you limit
the max allowed throw height, the number becomes finite. But it grows
rapidly with increases in prop number and with max allowed throw
height.

The basic patterns for each number are trivial siteswaps, for example,
the 5-ball cascade is siteswap "5". The three-shower is denoted 51 -
the right hand throws a 5, then the left hand a 1. (And then
repeat.)

Extensions of the basic idea include dealing with synch patterns,
multiplex tricks, and more than one juggler.

Basically, if a trick involves throwing to different heights, it's a
siteswap trick, but the scheme is only involved with throw heights -
backcrosses and Mills Mess and so forth require their own notation.

-boppo

Jon Solberg

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Nov 9, 2009, 2:24:47 AM11/9/09
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On 2009-11-09, Allison0z <Alz...@hotmail.com.nospam.com> wrote:
> I read about it on Wikki but I still don't know what it is? Could some
> please explain.

What wiki?

If you haven't understood the article at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siteswap (or any of the other hundreds of
explanation you find through a simple Google search) we probably
can't.

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Jon Solberg (remove "nospam." from email address).

Eddy.Kwok

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Nov 9, 2009, 2:45:03 AM11/9/09
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Allison0z wrote:
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> I read about it on Wikki but I still don't know what it is? Could some
> please explain.
>

Siteswap is a notation to describe the relative height and
direction of the object being throw. The easiest way to understand
siteswap I think is to download "Jongl", run it and enter siteswap
and see how the juggler juggling entered siteswap.

Example of simple siteswap notation:

- 3
- 4440
- 555504444

Btw, you'll still need to read some explanation available
on the internet though.

Good luck!

Eddy

Jacob:Sacher

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Nov 9, 2009, 2:53:56 AM11/9/09
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Allison0z wrote:
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> I read about it on Wikki but I still don't know what it is? Could some
> please explain.
>

This Is very basic siteswap.

Imagine someone is juggling a basic 3 ball cascade.
Notice how every throw is going to the same height, and is crossing (being
thrown to the opposite hand). These throws are called 3.

Now imagine someone is juggling a basic 4 ball fountain. Notice how all
balls are going to the same hand and the throws are a bit higher. these
throws are called 4

Now imagine someone is juggling a basic 5 ball cascade. these throws are
called 5.

So if I tell you about the 4 ball siteswap 534
You now know I will throw a ball at 5 ball height crossing to the other
hand.
Than one at 3 ball height crossing to the other hand.
Then one at 4 ball height this time not crossing.

The way I learnt siteswap is by mucking about on juggling lab

http://jugglinglab.sourceforge.net/bin/example_gen.html

The way you tell how many balls a siteswap uses is by taking the average
of the numbers.
Eg 97531 add these numbers together, then divide by 5. and you will see
97531 is a 5 ball pattern.

Another thing that is confusing to many. is that 8 means juggling 8 balls
9 means juggling 9 balls
after that we start using letters of the alphabet
so 10 is a
and 11 is b

Hope this is not to confusing.

Have fun
Jacob:Sacher

This was all very basic, we can talk about the more complicated patterns
like
(6x,4)(4,6x) another time.

Ewano

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Nov 9, 2009, 7:13:04 AM11/9/09
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Allison0z wrote:
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> I read about it on Wikki but I still don't know what it is? Could some
> please explain.
>

If you want a really good resource for siteswaps that will help you
understand them and give you some inspiration for juggling, then you might
consider buying the siteswaps DVD. It's $75, but it has a lot of
interesting footage on it.

http://www.dube.com/video/SiteswapsDVD.php

is one place you can get it.

I watched DVD one with someone who is a novice juggler, and they found it
clear and helpfull in learning about how juggling patterns work. I am a 5
club/7 ball juggler and I also found it very interesting and learned a
great deal from it.

If you are genuinely intersted in Siteswaps, this resource is the clearest
and most complete one out there.

Ewano - who bought his copy from Howie at juggling.tv...

andanother

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Nov 9, 2009, 5:59:15 PM11/9/09
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Allison0z wrote:
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> I read about it on Wikki but I still don't know what it is? Could some
> please explain.
>

IMO this youtube tutorial from JugglingTricks gets to the point with a
simple explanation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAoLoTmJDjY

/Superfluous explanations blog

Miika

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Nov 10, 2009, 1:50:10 AM11/10/09
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Allison0z wrote:
> I read about it on Wikki but I still don't know what it is? Could some
> please explain.
>

I guess I also want to chime in:

Siteswap is a method of communicating some juggling patterns in the form
of numbers.


-Miika

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More siteswaps of the day: 4 , 44 , 4444

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