What started out as just a little something to work on my editing skills,
has raised some questions about doing a collaboration video from all your
jugglers here. I will be more than willing to edit one together but I will
need everyones help in doing so since I am not much of a juggler myself.
Here is what I was thinking for a format (although please give me your
sugestions for others):
--My idea, inspired buy the coming on of spring and the warm weather, we
do an "out side" video. Video tape your ticks outside in the sun, in a
field, at a playfround, anything that is outside and shows how nice the
weather is.
--If you can, try to use some of the outside things as elements in your
video. Juggling in a tree, do passing on the lake from one boat to another
boat, something, anything inventive.
--Depending on how many people participate, I will only limit how much
video you send me by saying Don't go to crazy. If you have a decent sized
file, i am sure that there are on-line servises that we can use to
transfer them since an e-mail attachment might not be sufficient.
Those are my thoughts so far everyone. Let me know what you think, what
kind of ideas you have, if you want to perticipate, anything.
Juggle-On!!!!
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Sweet!
Excellent. Well volunteered, that (wo?)man!
Is this the 'how many people are interested?' thread? Or the actual one?
Well, I'm interested.....
I think it would be best if people did not give all the details of whether
they're going to
participate/what they're going to film. It will make the final result all
that more of a nice surprise.
The Void
................
24 and counting....
Dude!
-Paul
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paulseward.com - a photo a day for 2008
100jugglers.org - 100 pieces of signed juggling promotional material
Gets my vote (although if it's raining, don't let that stop you filming!)
> --If you can, try to use some of the outside things as elements in your
> video. Juggling in a tree, do passing on the lake from one boat to another
> boat, something, anything inventive.
Nice idea! I've got some ideas forming already... with a bit of luck
they may even happen ;-)
You know what, I'm dead chuffed that you're taking the suggestion and
running with it! If there's anything I can do to help the process along
at any point just ask, replace usenet with lp to make the from address
on this post valid.
The only suggestion I've got at this stage is some handwavy advice about
quality for contributors.
1 - save in the highest quality that your editing package can manage
(I found in the past that being more specific than that raises more
questions than it answers)
2 - if you can work out how to, deinterlace your clip before you submit
it (as some file formats *cough*wmv*cough* make it really hard to get a
clean deinterlace after they've been rendered)
But apart from that, you're on the right track! Lets get this party
rolling!
Now, are you really sure you don't want to place a limit on the files you
receive, not even length of footage? Maybe some of those who have compiled
videos before could weigh in with how much raw footage they received, as
30 videos each lasting 3 minutes is a heck of a lot more to deal with than
30 videos of 10 seconds.
fak - not biased by only having about 10 seconds of material, oh no.
Please repeat your email address here so we know where the videos should
go. And you'd best give us a deadline for submissions. Otherwise, it may
never get done.
I am imagining I saw this project done twice before... oh yeah...
Anyway, I'm in. Just set a deadline, and I'll go and film something if the
weather allows it. So far it's gone back to being fall here, kinda feels
like we're going to have another winter before skipping spring and going
straight to summer.
*rant alert*
Also, someone has to say this: It's not "well voulenteered" since I am
sure everyone who has almost enough time on their hands here would be more
than extremely happy to edit this video(I'll do it five times if you ask
me), more like "well dared", taking the chance of getting booed by people
who are boring, not wanting to do another collaboration video. Luckily it
seems people are positive. Yay.
On the other hand, shouldn't such a video be made my someone you know for
sure is really good at editing? Like Jugglingeek or John Nations? Uh,
which I know kind of kills the purpose of the video... But still. This is
available for discussion.
Oh, and
DISCLAIMER: I am an idiot and a hipocrit.
I should be safe now.
I would definitely be up for it! Just provide us with a set date for when
you want the footage in as well
as where to send it.
Ben Block
I'm up for it, though I would suggest making a deadline later than exam
season, so people like myself can film something after exams are over.
Well volunteered, I hope you can cope with it.
Tim
Nice way to eleminate ring juggling from the video!!!
Apart from that rant I guess I could participate, lucky I also juggle
balls.
So, I think that one month is more than enough time for everyone to put a
little something together. So i'm going to make JUNE 7TH the cut-off date
for submissions.
I believe that if everyone does no more that about 15 sec, that should be
more than enough material for me to work with.
As for what format to put it in, Little Paul, can you suggest a good
format for things to be saved in?
And the most important part: Where to send it :)
In the subject just put something that has to do with juggling so that I
know what it is.
Send me what ya got we will get started with it :)
Juggle On!!!!!
> Also, someone has to say this: It's not "well voulenteered" since I am
> sure everyone who has almost enough time on their hands here would be more
> than extremely happy to edit this video(I'll do it five times if you ask
> me), more like "well dared", taking the chance of getting booed by people
> who are boring, not wanting to do another collaboration video. Luckily it
> seems people are positive. Yay.
Nope. I'd love to see another collaboration video, but absolutely 100%
would not be arsed to trawl through loads of clips, find some decent music
and try and make something out of it. Not even if I had nothing else to
do. So I'm sticking with "well volunteered".
Guy
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Who's chances of collaborating are looking good, what with Bungay coming up
Then basically you are giving me props too? Nice.
We sure won't have good weather until then, but hey... I could try.
1 - save in the highest quality that your editing package can manage
(I found in the past that being more specific than that raises more
questions than it answers)
2 - if you can work out how to, deinterlace your clip before you submit
it (as some file formats *cough*wmv*cough* make it really hard to get a
clean deinterlace after they've been rendered)
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I'm glad you wrote that, it saved me having to say it.
That's a good limit. It's long enough for most people to fit something
in, and short enough that the file sizes are small enough to work with
and it stops people from giving you a 3 minute non-stop-routine and
you then having to find edit points within that where you can drop 95%
of the footage - which is not only tricky, but really disheartening!
> As for what format to put it in, Little Paul, can you suggest a good
> format for things to be saved in?
Aside from the advice I gave about quality (which norbi helpfully cut
and paste) - I think my advice would be "save in whatever format you
can manage, we'll handle transcoding it all to the same format later"
It's a trade off between technical excelence (it would be lovely if
everyone submitted raw dv at the same frame rate) and allowing as
many people as possible to take part (loads of people have cameras
but only have access to windows movie maker and can't export raw
dv from their camera - not to mention that some people will be
shooting pal, some ntsc, some widescreen, some not, and I'm sure
some flash bugger will be shooting HD)
Last time I ran one of these things, I got a much better response by
saying "do what you can, I'll use at least something from everyone
that submits a clip" and then finding ways to deal with the pain
caused by trying to munge wmv, mov, mpeg and avi files together.
Much as I hate to say it, quicktime pro got me through a lot of that
process.
> Send me what ya got we will get started with it :)
Yay!
Nice one. May I recommend that you start a new thread (possibly called
"Rec.juggling collaboration
video 2" [1]) with ALL the necessary information in the first post:
Overview
The theme
Maximum length of clip
What formats are preferred/accepted [2]
What formats are NOT accepted (Lowest accepted frame rate, perhaps?)
Closing submission date
How to get the clips to you[3][4]
(Targeted completion date?)
Hope that's all useful. Also, don't get downhearted if very few people
respond in the first week or two
- I would guess that it will take most people a bit of time to get the
time/location/capturing/etc to all
come together.
The Void
...............
Throwing names around
[1] Have you seen
http://www.jugglingdb.com/videos/index.php?uid=3773N6P-NROQO32556-2
btw?
[2] You're in America, so I'm guessing that DV-NTSC would be the easiest
for you to deal with?
[3] Ah, a hotmail address.... so you'll be checking your spam folder
regularly then?
[4] Might be a good idea to ask for a specific subject line in contact
emails (eg "RJ COLLAB")
I've just watched that, possibly for the first time since editing it,
and I really rather enjoyed it. It's nice coming back to a project
having forgotten all the details and watching it almost for the first
time - and being surprised by bits of it!
I might have to go back and watch the juggletweens with that in mind.
> [3] Ah, a hotmail address.... so you'll be checking your spam folder
> regularly then?
I'd be tempted to set up a googlemail account specifically for this
project. A nice fresh account sould make it much easier to find any
submissions.
<snip>
I'm in. Expect my 15 seconds of material within the next 10 days.
Danny
Sounds great, I'll try to send in a clip within the next two weeks.
Thanks,
Reuben
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I hadn't seen this video yet...fun to watch! I wish that it was easier
for me to match the names up to the people in the video, though. Since I
don't know most of the people who post here, it'd be cool to be able to
put a face with each name/screen name. Any way to make that happen on
this video, such as putting the person's name with each clip? I don't
know if that would actually look good, just a suggestion...
Bekah
What I suggest, on the editing part, is to have the names of each
performer appear in the bottom right of the screen or somewhere so people
can see who's who. This was used for the most recent diabolo.ca collab and
worked really well.
And im in...just need to get good first
If you rummage around in the archives, I think I remember going through
that video and naming all the clips in order which may help. It's not
particulalry easy to follow though as some of the cutting's a little
too fast.
> Any way to make that happen on
> this video, such as putting the person's name with each clip? I don't
> know if that would actually look good, just a suggestion...
I tried that when I was editing that video, but it got too messy
and quickly became visually difficult to follow. If you look at
the credits there really were a lot of people involved!
I'm trying not to intefere too much (as this one's not my project!)
but an alternative that I thought of at the time was to grab a still
from each submitted clip and instead of a credit roll have an old
skool 1980's tv "set your video recorders now, here comes an information
burst!" which flashed each clip up for 3 or 4 frames with the name
of the person involved. Anyone interested in who's who could then
have paused the video and stepped through it slowly to put names to
faces.
However, but the time I'd got that idea I'd already spent far too long
on the edit and just wanted to get it out the door :-)
Pish! Piffle! Utter Rot!
You don't need to get good, just show us what you've got! You don't
have to fill 15 seconds with awesomeness, you just have to take part!
It's more fun that way
I'm definitely in. I just need to get my camera back from repairs first.
Should be back before the end of May =D Hmm...what to do in 15 seconds
*ponders*
I'll definitely be in on this!
If you need any help editing, just ask me. reese...@msn.com
I'd definitely recommend getting a few scenery and non-juggling shots to
break the video up and put more emphasis on the "It's really nice weather
outside" idea behind the video.
I'll check back for more info and start getting soe footage.
Sound awesome! I'll try to send it something!
Sick dude, that's my birthday. I can't contribute, I don't own a camera
but June 7th is a good date so I'd like to give you props for that.
Why not ask for a camera for your birthday??
lemGo
I guess I'm asking for it, but I think it would be funny to see how many
people would vote against me taking part in the video, and how few want me
in :P
*cough* Southern hemisphere winter *cough*
I'll still be filming something.
Cheers,
Dave
Just wear a t-shirt, and viewers will be none the wiser. Well, as
long as there's no snow...
You're being silly. You will contribute, the editor will do a wonderful
job, and everyone on r.j will absolutely love it. The end.
Bekah
-Glen Luke
Hey, I tried to send you a couple clips but I got a failure notice a
little bit later. I'm pretty sure that my files weren't too big (together
they were 11.4 meg and most email services can send at least 20). I'm
guessing maybe your inbox is a bit full from previous submissions? Should
I just try again later or is there another email address you'd like me to
send the stuff to?
I don't believe that it is my e-mail because this is my extra e-mail
account and it has almost nothing in it. Could be that hot mail is just
being a pain in the ass.
How about having multiple people edit videos using the same submitted
content? I once saw such a thing for yo-yo and it turned out very well. I
think people had more than 15 second clips which allowed the editors to
select different tricks and really come up with different products, not to
mention different order, transitions, music, special effects, etc.
-Scott
I would vote for that, but I am quite sure many people will say "naaah...
it will be too much to watch...". IMO, more is better anyway, so I can't
see that reasoning... so yeah, good idea!
* Scott Seltzer <sc...@juggler.net.nospam.com>:
Sounds like a great idea... but: are there multiple people willing to edit
videos?
I think it would be cool to have multiple editions of this
r.j.-collaboration-video :)
Ciao,
Gerhard
ThrowinStuff101
Me
That's two people.
Awesome! I might send something. I have some footage of me juggling 5 club
singles on top of a hill while the sun sets.
> Awesome! I might send something. I have some footage of me juggling 5 club
> singles on top of a hill while the sun sets.
>
I want that clip :)
* Sondre Øverby <sondre_...@sjonglering.com.nospam.com>:
> Gerhard Pfeiffer wrote:
>> * Scott Seltzer <sc...@juggler.net.nospam.com>:
>> > Sondre Øverby wrote:
>> > How about having multiple people edit videos using the same submitted
>> > content? I once saw such a thing for yo-yo and it turned out very well. I
>> > think people had more than 15 second clips which allowed the editors to
>> > select different tricks and really come up with different products, not to
>> > mention different order, transitions, music, special effects, etc.
>> Sounds like a great idea... but: are there multiple people willing to edit
>> videos?
> ThrowinStuff101
> Me
Hm, I believe the way to go about this would be to have ThrowinStuff101
collecting the material and sharing it with all volunteers like Sondre (and
maybe others to come). At least, if ThrowinStuff101 doesn't mind other editors
and doing this extra organizational work.
Ciao,
Gerhard
I wouldn't mind it at all. This was just supposed to be something for me
to work on my editing skills so it would be cool to see what someone else
comes up with. Plus, if mine sucks everyone will still have something else
to watch
*cough* Sydney winter? *cough* It must be at least 15-20°C??
English summer, and it must be at least 15-20°C
I'll still be filming something.
Will
Hehehe... There's a fair bit of truth in that. I went for a run at
lunchtime today, and it was quite pleasant. Blue skies, 22 degrees, no
wind... Winter sucks!
Cheers,
Dave
...should step outside and film some juggling... If only he could put
down the cube.
*cough* Norwegian summer... *cough* Must be at least 3-6°C and still some
snow??
I'd like to get in on this, do we have a deadline? It's exams at the
moment for us students so it's a bit hectic!
>
> I'd like to get in on this, do we have a deadline? It's exams at the
> moment for us students so it's a bit hectic!
>
I think ThrowinStuff101 has set June 7th as the deadline.
So - did more than 8 people, including myself, attempt to take part in
this?
Uhm, I don't know...but thanks for reminding me! Is it too late to send
something in? I finally have access to a decent camera and am anxious to
show people my new tricks :).
Hmm...collaborative video? Somehow I either missed or forgot about this.
If you're still taking entries, I'd be happy to film something as well.
*Someone* needs to restart the project.
I'll nominate you, Sondre:)
I second that :). Get on it!
Do you need a third?
I'm actually happy to see that this video hasn't happened yet, because it
turned out to be impossible for me to contribute at the beginning of the
summer. Things were so busy! It actually feels really weird to be
posting here again...
Bekah is back! Finally this place comes to life again!
* Sondre Øverby <sondre_...@sjonglering.com.nospam.com>:
>> > > > *Someone* needs to restart the project.
>> > > I'll nominate you, Sondre:)
>> > I second that :). Get on it!
>> Do you need a third?
>>
>> I'm actually happy to see that this video hasn't happened yet, because it
>> turned out to be impossible for me to contribute at the beginning of the
>> summer. Things were so busy! It actually feels really weird to be
>> posting here again...
> Bekah is back! Finally this place comes to life again!
Yeah, it's cool that Bekah is back ;)
BUT: You better comment on your nomination to restart this project! :)
Or, well, just restart it and do it. Propose a new deadline for entries, so you
can edit your ejc-video, while we make some good clips :)
The theme of the project was "spring and warm weather"... Spring is over now,
but warm weather might still apply in late summer. However, now would be a
chance to change the theme ;) But that's your decision now Sondre, as it is your
project now :P
Ciao,
Gerhard