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Medieval Waldegrave Crest

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for Nicolai

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May 15, 2012, 2:12:31 PM5/15/12
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S ? W.
WALDEGRAVE

http://finds.org.uk/images/fminter/medium/sf-29a734.jpg

age: Medieval

http://finds.org.uk/database/search/results/objecttype/pendant/page/25

Matt Tompkins

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May 16, 2012, 8:42:26 AM5/16/12
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I think that's very unlikely to be medieval. The lettering and
general style look 17th-century, maybe even later.

Matt Tompkins

for Nicolai

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May 16, 2012, 9:29:11 AM5/16/12
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Maybe you are right, but to get a date
we need to find this
Sr. W. WALDEGRAVE


......all previous pendants only depicted the shield,
this is the first Crest I found!

Odysseus

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May 19, 2012, 6:12:22 PM5/19/12
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In article
<1bd89d7b-8ed3-4ae4...@w10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
Quoting the description at

<http://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/69643> :

"The lettering suggests a 16/17th century date for this heraldic
pendant, perhaps for horse harness. Probably belonged to the original
William Waldegrave, born 1507, died 1554 or his son, also William, who
died 1617, fathered 12 children and has a large tomb in Bures church,
Suffolk."

The lettering on this tomb may be seen about halfway down the page at

<http://www.bures-online.co.uk/stmary/church.htm> .

The accompanying transcription gives a death-date of 1613 rather than
1617, but the last digit is not shown in the photo. And only ten
children are mentioned; was there perhaps a previous marriage?

At any rate, this period would be called late mediaeval or early modern,
depending on one's choice of an epochal date. ISTM that historians tend
to place this boundary later for Britain than for southern Europe, by as
much as a century or so -- but no later than the accession of James I &
VI, I should think.

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Odysseus

for Nicolai

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May 20, 2012, 9:40:02 AM5/20/12
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On May 19, 3:12 pm, Odysseus <odysseus1479...@yahoo-dot.ca> wrote:
> In article
> <1bd89d7b-8ed3-4ae4-8bfb-ea0b7fcd2...@w10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
...Thank you, that's a pretty good guesstimate!

so approx. date 1507 - 1617, this should roughly be the time,
when they changed from shield to emphasize the crest...maybe I'm
wrong?

ml...@le.ac.uk

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May 20, 2012, 4:51:13 PM5/20/12
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It would be very difficult to find a historian who would categorise any part of Elizabeth I's reign as medieval, in fact you'd be pushed to find one who placed its end any time after about 1525 - and many would argue for an even earlier date. The Portable Antiquities Database itself plumps for a very typical 1500 (see its 'period timeline'), though for some purposes it treats the whole of Henry VII's reign as medieval (eg numismatics). The categorisation of the Waldegrave pendant in the database as 'medieval' is clearly an error.

Matt Tompkins

Matt Tompkins

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May 21, 2012, 5:48:28 AM5/21/12
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On Saturday, 19 May 2012 23:12:22 UTC+1, Odysseus  wrote:
> In article
> <1bd89d7b-8ed3-4ae4-8bfb-ea0b7fcd2...@w10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
> Odysseus

[reposted with clarification of obscure phrasing!]

It would be very difficult to find a historian who would categorise
any part of Elizabeth I's reign as medieval, in fact you'd be pushed
to find one who placed its end [meaning the end of the medieval
period] any time after about 1525 - and many would argue for an even
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