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Hon Adam Bruce appointed Unicorn / Mark Dennis appointed Ormond

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Richard R

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Jul 1, 2009, 4:41:51 AM7/1/09
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The Lord Lyon King of Arms has appointed the Hon. Adam Bruce as
Unicorn Pursuivant of Arms; he was previously Finlaggan Pursuivant in
service of the Clan Donald. Mark Dennis has been appointed Ormond
Pursuivant of Arms.
http://college-of-arms.gov.uk/Newsletter/021.htm

Adam Bruce is the second son of the present Earl of Elgin & Kincardine

UEMURA Satoru

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Jul 4, 2009, 11:15:55 AM7/4/09
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> The Lord Lyon King of Arms has appointed the Hon. Adam Bruce as
> Unicorn Pursuivant of Arms; he was previously Finlaggan Pursuivant in
> service of the Clan Donald. Mark Dennis has been appointed Ormond
> Pursuivant of Arms.http://college-of-arms.gov.uk/Newsletter/021.htm

Adam Bruce's appointment occured in 2008 following the retirement(?)
of
Alistair Lorne Campbell of Airds:
http://www.edinburgh-gazette.co.uk/issues/26645/pages/2905

I don't know why the College did not mention this in the previous
issues.

Alistair Campbell of Airds is now Islay Herald EXTRAORDINARY.
An office in ordinary was degraded to extraordinary.

Satoru Uemura

Alex Maxwell Findlater

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Jul 6, 2009, 2:33:27 AM7/6/09
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Alastair Campbell of Airds was obliged to retire as over age, which is
70. He was elevated to the next rank as an herald, but as an
extraordinary. Since Sir Malcolm Innes of Edingight retired as Lord
Lyon, all retiring officers of arms in Scotland have been created
extraordinary officers.

The office was not degraded, it is now filled by Adam Bruce. So
actually Airds was honoured by being appointed an extraordinary.

In Scotland the heralds do not have a collegiate status: they are
officers of the Lyon Office.

UEMURA Satoru

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Jul 6, 2009, 2:07:47 PM7/6/09
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Alex Maxwell Findlater <maxwellfindla...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The office was not degraded, it is now filled by Adam Bruce.  So
> actually Airds was honoured by being appointed an extraordinary.

Thank you for giving the background.

In my understanding Islay Herald was one of the six Scottish heralds
in ordinary and I assumed that it lost some of its privileges when it
was
changed to a herald extraordinary.
I called it degradation (may be not correct use of this term).

> In Scotland the heralds do not have a collegiate status:  they are
> officers of the Lyon Office.

My view may be too 'English', though I myself is Japanese.

Satoru Uemura

Alex Maxwell Findlater

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Jul 7, 2009, 4:07:36 AM7/7/09
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You are right, while Agnus and Orkney are titles used in the past for
extraordinary heralds, Islay has previously been used for Ordinaries.

Islay was vacant from 1884, when Henry Wilson the last Islay from
before the 1867 Lyon Court Act, died, until 1981 when Dom Pottinger
was appointed. So Islay is in the nature of a revival. Pottinger died
in 1986, and the title has been unused since then.

In appointing Pursuivants, it seems that David Sellar, the new(ish)
Lyon, has sought to revive the old titles which ceased to be used when
the current pre-1867 holder died, so using Ormond, which became vacant
in 1879 and was only revived in 1971 for Major Maitland-Titterton; he
was advanced to Marchmont in 1982 and died in 1988. Sellar himself
was the first Bute since 1901.

There is of course a potential problem with rewarding retiring heralds
and pursuivants with extraordinary titles of the rank of Herald, as
the supply of said titles may run out. For example, Albany, Rothesay
and Marchmont have had a regular succession of holders from 1867,
while Islay, Ross and Snowdon have not, although at present Ross is
filled and Marchmont is not. So now that there is also an Islay,
there are only two of the Herald in Ordinary titles available. A
possible solution, when the time comes, might be to look at some of
the other Herald in Extraordinary titles, but there is only Ireland
left, Agnus and Orkney already having been assigned to retired Lord
Lyons, and Lindsay being a private title of the Earl of Crawford.

However, there are a lot of Pursuivant titles still unused. Apart
from the six regular titles there are Falkland and March, seldom used,
and also a whole raft of occasional extraordinary titles, Alishay,
Darnaway, Diligens, Dragance, Endure (previously and now a title for
the earl of Crawford's private extraordinary) Ettrick, Garrioch (for
the Earl of Mar's), Hailes, Linlithgow, Montrose and Slains (for the
earl of Erroll's).


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