Sovereign House of Heristal
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Michelangelo Pacelli of Heristal www.sovranacasadiheristal.it
Guy Stair Sainty
>
>The new website of The Sovereign House of His Serene Highness The Prince
>Michelangelo Pacelli of Heristal www.sovranacasadiheristal.it
>
>
learn more about the glorious history of this dynasty and the fantastic history
of the dynasties glorious reign over the "Franconians" and "Longobards". But
what a pity that we can only read about this notable ancestry in a judgment of a
suit for defamation, and not in any reputable historical source. It is truly a
reflection on the scholarship of so many historians that they have somehow
ignored the history of the Heristal House and its illustrious descendant.
What a scandal it is that Spain,has somehow failed to recognize the Prince's
claim to a Spanish Grandeeship (described in the English translation of the San
Marino decision as "the Great of Spain"), and that this "recognition" has
instead had to have been "proved" in a San Marino civil court decision thanks to
the "expertise" of Dr Giancarlo Gentili who has sworn that the documents
presented by "His Serene Highness" prove his claims (I have not been able to
find any publication which might demonstrate the illustrious Doctors expertise,
unfortunately, this apparently being a unique venture on his part into the field
of nobiliary and royal genealogy and scholarship).
How shocking that Avvocato Giovanni Belluzzi dared to question the claims of the
Serene Prince, and how surprising it is that having done so, he then simply
withdraw declaring that he "is not able to question the documentary evidence
brought forward"; one an only wonder why he questioned these claims in the first
place when they should have been so blindingly obviously authentic. But why in
such circumstances has the true heir of the rulers of the Franconians and
Longobards agreed to share the costs of this case, instead of punishing this
disgraceful calumny by Avv. Belluzzi.
Thank goodness the tribunal of Nocera saw that Justice should be done, and
agreed to change the name of the sadly dispossed sovereign of the Franconians so
he can now legally be called "Marcantonio Pacelli di Heristal".
One may also hope that the sultry Julie Mayer has been properly rewarded for her
magnificent portrait tribute to the Prince; although this is dated 2005, it
seems to reflect the image of a much younger man than the one whose photo
appears on the web site - no "warts and all" for the Prince of Heristal.
apparently.
I am also pleased that he has reminded us in the inscription below the image of
the "Passaporto Diplomatico" of the "Sovrana Casa de Heristal", that San Marino
is a member of the United Nations. I am impressed that the passport includes the
name in 6 languages (unlike the modest three of my new British passport), but
not sadly the language spoken historically by the Franconians and Longobards
should they wish to have a chat with their true sovereign.
I for one will look forward eagerly to the publication of a transcription of the
documents (sadly shown in a size too small to read) from the archives of
Simancas and the Crown of Aragon, and as soon as His Serene Highness's internet
staff are able, his complete genealogy with each generation and their dates and
places of baptism, marriage and death, and the grant of the title of Grandee of
Spain in 1525 to his ancestor with an explanation of why he has not demanded the
rehabilitation of this title in Spain. I would also be fascinated to learn more
about the Nobile Accademia Carolinga, which despite apparently being founded by
Charlemagne in the year 781 has some how escaped the attention of centuries of
scholars who one might imagine would have eagerly sought an education in such an
illustrious academic institution.
--
Guy Stair Sainty
www.chivalricorders.org/index3.htm
menas
"Guy Stair Sainty" <g...@sainty.org> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> I am also pleased that he has reminded us in the inscription below the
> image of
> the "Passaporto Diplomatico" of the "Sovrana Casa de Heristal", that San
> Marino
> is a member of the United Nations. I am impressed that the passport
> includes the
> name in 6 languages (unlike the modest three of my new British passport),
> but
> not sadly the language spoken historically by the Franconians and
> Longobards
> should they wish to have a chat with their true sovereign.
Have you noted the diplomatic visa's stamped on the Diplomatic Passport of
The Sovereign House of Heristal ?
George Lucki
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You wax poetically. I can see that you have a direct to cable television
movie in mind. I am guessing that you will likely wish to have the sultry
Julie Mayer play herself in at least a cameo appearance, but who will you
have play the role of the good prince?
I know. I bet that Michelangelo Pacelli de Heristal could play himself,
striking appropriately regal poses as the true actor he shows himself to be.
On the other hand the incomprehesibly villanous role of the lawyer who dared
challenge his claim would have to be played by a character actor versed in
such roles, an actor of the calibre of a Vincent Price.
Of course the account must be fictionalized (clearly even more so than on
the web-site to add some poignancy to the story - as written up on the
website, it didn't move me one bit - and the movie will want to obtain more
of a response from its audience than ennui) and of course it should be noted
for those concerned about such things - "no real princes will be harmed in
the making of this movie" and "all stunts would be performed by the actors
themselves".
No one sent me a complimentary copy of the book (clearly an oversight) so I
await the movie. But for now time to flip the channel. I can give this site
only one and half stars (out of five) - too little in the way of Ruritanian
uniforms and entourages. Other soi-disant royalty sites are more elaborate.
George Lucki
Louis Epstein
: In article <j9vhg.27132$cX1.4...@twister2.libero.it>, menas says...
:>
:>The new website of The Sovereign House of His Serene Highness The Prince
:>Michelangelo Pacelli of Heristal www.sovranacasadiheristal.it
An artist,a pope,and a Mayor of the Palace,my my...
:>
: I am so glad to learn that His Serene Highness is flourishing and that we
: can learn more about the glorious history of this dynasty and the fantastic
: history of the dynasties glorious reign over the "Franconians" and
: "Longobards". But what a pity that we can only read about this notable
: ancestry in a judgment of a suit for defamation, and not in any reputable
: historical source. It is truly a reflection on the scholarship of so many
: historians that they have somehow ignored the history of the Heristal
: House and its illustrious descendant.
:
: What a scandal it is that Spain,has somehow failed to recognize the Prince's
: claim to a Spanish Grandeeship (described in the English translation of the
: San Marino decision as "the Great of Spain"), and that this "recognition"
: has instead had to have been "proved" in a San Marino civil court decision
: thanks to the "expertise" of Dr Giancarlo Gentili who has sworn that the
: documents presented by "His Serene Highness" prove his claims (I have not
: been able to find any publication which might demonstrate the illustrious
: Doctors expertise, unfortunately, this apparently being a unique venture on
: his part into the field of nobiliary and royal genealogy and scholarship).
:
: How shocking that Avvocato Giovanni Belluzzi dared to question the claims
: of the Serene Prince, and how surprising it is that having done so, he then
: simply withdraw declaring that he "is not able to question the documentary
: evidence brought forward"; one an only wonder why he questioned these claims
: in the first place when they should have been so blindingly obviously
: authentic. But why in such circumstances has the true heir of the rulers of
: the Franconians and Longobards agreed to share the costs of this case,
: instead of punishing this disgraceful calumny by Avv. Belluzzi.
He appears,in short,to have followed the time-honored practice of
barratry employing the procedures I have periodically posted online:
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If I have it correctly,the Italian Court dodge for "proving" claims to
dubious titles works like this.
1)Come up with your claim.
2)Have a friendly Italian deny your claim.
3)Bring a lawsuit in a chosen Italian court against the friendly Italian.
4)Print out the following (BEFORE going into court,doing so in the
courtroom looks tacky) and fill it in.
\\\\CLIP HERE\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\CLIP HERE\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Let it be known to all and sundry that
___________________________________
is
The ___________________________________ Mor
Prince of
___________________________________
Undoubted heir of Eeenimiinimainimoe IV who reigned in 7564 BC,
and is entitled to(tick all that apply):
Grant whatever hereditary and life titles he can invent
to whoever he pleases until the cows come home
Canonize and consecrate whomsoever he wishes
Create and name Grand Masters of Sovereign Orders of Chivalry
on all islands either in the Dodecanese,where most people
speak Maltese,or have at least one topless beach
Droit de seigneur and jus primae noctis to all unmarried women
of childbearing age in his dominions not more skilled in
martial arts than he
Invent councils of royal houses that do nothing but name him
to head them
Define his genealogy and the rules of descent as he sees fit
Stop time,reverse the sun,and sic the tides on King Canute
Grant root access on all master nameservers except during a
general reboot
All in all,three times the mojo and juju of the County Palatine
of Durham
And to any who doubt this,Nyahh Nyahh Nyahh!!!
\\\\CLIP HERE\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\CLIP HERE\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
5)Present the certificate as evidence.
6)The friendly Italian puts on his best dumbfounded gasp and says he
can't possibly argue with the certificate.
7)The judge wags his finger at the friendly Italian,awards a summary
judgement against him,and tells you you won the case.
8)You tell the world the Italian court recognized you.
Is that it?
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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
barrassie
barrassie
lawyers'? I is amazing.
I came across one 'prince' who 'granted a title of Marquis' he claimed
to be recognised by a court in Spain and had his pedigree registered in
Lyon Court, I checked it out, it was not there! The 'tit;le' is in a
book listing foreign title holders in a Meditereanian island, it looks
impressive till checked out, it could fool the gullible.
Charles McKerrell of Hillhouse
Nenad M. Jovanovich
God and hereditary right Pretender to the Crowns of Aragon, Majorca,
Sicily, Sardinia, Prince of Catalonia, Count of Cerdagna, Count of
Roussillion, Lord of Valencia, Lord of Montpelier, Count of Urgel,
Viscounte of Carlades, etc, etc., Duke of Perpignan and Prince of
Emmanuel, Grand Master of the Military Order of the Collar of St.
Agatha of Paternò
Anyone knows anything about this?
mj...@btinternet.com
Another one comes out of the woodwork. There sure are lots of cuckoos
this Spring.
HRH might wish to learn how to spell Rousillon and Montpellier properly
too.
According to the Wiki article on this marvellous and ancient Order, it
was very good of the King of the Two Sicilies, while his Kingdom was
crumbling around him in 1860, to confirm the Order by decree. The rest
of the Wiki article is full of similar rubbish, unsurprisingly.
MA-R
mj...@btinternet.com
m...@btinternet.com wrote:
> Nenad M. Jovanovich wrote:
> > H.R.H. Prince Don Francesco Paternò Ayerbe Aragona, by the Grace of
> > God and hereditary right Pretender to the Crowns of Aragon, Majorca,
> > Sicily, Sardinia, Prince of Catalonia, Count of Cerdagna, Count of
> > Roussillion, Lord of Valencia, Lord of Montpelier, Count of Urgel,
> > Viscounte of Carlades, etc, etc., Duke of Perpignan and Prince of
> > Emmanuel, Grand Master of the Military Order of the Collar of St.
> > Agatha of Paternò
> >
> > Anyone knows anything about this?
>
> Another one comes out of the woodwork. There sure are lots of cuckoos
> this Spring.
>
> HRH might wish to learn how to spell Rousillon and Montpellier properly
> too.
Or even "Roussillon" - the sun's very hot here today in my glass
house...
George Lucki
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GL> Nenad,
This is a self-styled pretender. The Order of St. Agatha Paterno is a
self-styled order. The forum archives should provide you with a lot of
information on this.
George Lucki
michael james
Nenad M. Jovanovich
There is also something called ''The Royal Aragonese College of Arms''.
Surprised to see some perfectly respectable names there:
http://royalaragonese.homestead.com/
Well, you can never be carefull enough with this type of things...
Guy Stair Sainty
Jovanovich says...
>
>H=2ER.H. Prince Don Francesco Patern=F2 Ayerbe Aragona, by the Grace of
>God and hereditary right Pretender to the Crowns of Aragon, Majorca,
>Sicily, Sardinia, Prince of Catalonia, Count of Cerdagna, Count of
>Roussillion, Lord of Valencia, Lord of Montpelier, Count of Urgel,
>Viscounte of Carlades, etc, etc., Duke of Perpignan and Prince of
>Emmanuel, Grand Master of the Military Order of the Collar of St.
>
>Anyone knows anything about this?
>
claims; his father was indicted over the sale of Orders and his activities
condemned by the real head of his family, the duke of Carcaci and the late
Lieutenant of the grand magistery of the SMOM (a great uncle).
The claim is made on the basis of descent from the Guttadauro family, but the
problem is that this descent passes through two females, and he is not the
represnetative of the original family; even if he was, it would not entitle him
to these pretensions. One should view the documentation that is offered in
support of the claims that this Order was recognized by the penultimate king of
the Two Sicilies with a sceptical eye.
George Lucki
Clearly it's because of the magnificent tabards. It is well known that
judgement can sometimes be clouded in the face of such sartorial splendour.
George Lucki
Jan Böhme
> HRH might wish to learn how to spell Rousillon and Montpellier properly
> too.
He might also wish to learn to be consequent between Catalan and French
name forms. Why "Cerdagna" on one hand, and "Roussillon" and
"Perpignan" on the other, when all are originally Catalan names
currently in France. Wouldn't either "Cerdagna", "Rosselhò" and
"Perpinyà", or "Cerdagne", "Roussillon" and "Perpignan" be more
appropriate?
Jan Böhme
Nenad M. Jovanovich
Paterno intends to hold an ''investiture'' of six candidates in Skoplje
(FYROM) in the beginning of the August.
Even more interesting that this is to be held in the Skoplje Cathedral,
and one of the newly admitted is going to be an uncannonical
''Metropolitan'' of Polog-Kumanovo Cyril.
Takes one to know one!
jona...@hotmail.com
discussion a few times on rec.heraldry, see for instance
http://groups.google.se/group/rec.heraldry/browse_thread/thread/fc34fe8ff1288cda/a65cc191050bd389#a65cc191050bd389
/Jonas
jona...@hotmail.com
on http://ordenbonaria.org/ - an order that links to
http://www.duquedeberat.org/ and http://www.teutonici.com/ which links
further to http://www.dinastiabarbaccia.com/ which links further to...
...where do these guys get the energy to keep on?
/Jonas
George Lucki
news:1150300230.0...@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Perhaps they would like to have a complete set of whatever they are
collecting. People collect all manner of junk - one person's junk is another
person's treasure. This Byzantine potentate for example
http://www.new-byzantium.org/juana.jpg appears to be well on his way to
collecting a complete set of whatever he is collecting. Others may have a
larger collection. Is there someone out there with a larger collection (for
those insisting we have strictly heraldic content - there are inevitable
arms depicted on each such web-site) - perhaps we could declare a grand
gongmaster?
George Lucki