Heraldry Society of Scotland Website
G. A. Cook
Glen A. Cook
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Edwin King
>
> http://www.heraldry-scotland.co.uk/Homepage.htm
A couple of things arising from this
First, the wallpaper on the home page has to be the worse I ever seen -
the text is completely unreadable.
On the page dealing with the Lyon Court the arms of Elizabeth Roads are
shown. She is Lyon Clerk and Keeper of the Records while being at the
same time Carrick Pursuivant. Her arms are shown as impaled with those
of the Clerk - is that a more senior role than the Pursuivant? What is
the shape of her shield? It looks oval, but is it an artisitic
rendering of a lozenge?
The arms on the Heraldic Briefs pape are worth seeing!
Edwin King
James Dempster
wrote:
>G. A. Cook wrote:
>>
>> http://www.heraldry-scotland.co.uk/Homepage.htm
>
>A couple of things arising from this
>
>First, the wallpaper on the home page has to be the worse I ever seen -
>the text is completely unreadable.
>
There must be some difference between the renderings of the page on
different browsers. The wallpaper is highly complex, but the text
comes up on mine (IE 5.5) on a much plainer background - the one used
for the rest of the site.
My gripe is the members arms page, which I've never yet managed to get
to load. Maybe I need to give it longer than 5 minutes!!
>On the page dealing with the Lyon Court the arms of Elizabeth Roads are
>shown. She is Lyon Clerk and Keeper of the Records while being at the
>same time Carrick Pursuivant. Her arms are shown as impaled with those
>of the Clerk - is that a more senior role than the Pursuivant? What is
>the shape of her shield? It looks oval, but is it an artisitic
>rendering of a lozenge?
>
I believe that Lyon Clerk is the more senior post, it is also one of
the full time salaried posts. As for the shield shape, Mrs Roads has
always used that oval shape in any representation of her arms that
I've seen. It makes fitting in a Bruce saltire and chief a bit easier
than does a lozenge.
>The arms on the Heraldic Briefs pape are worth seeing!
>
Agreed. The power of simple heraldry to express an idea without
resorting to some of the oddities that the current Garter seems to
favour.
Another welcome (to me) return to past style is in the depiction of
the lions in the impaled coat of the new Lyon and of Lyon Clerk.
Victorian prudery appears to be dead amongst Scottish heraldic
artists.
James
James Dempster (jdem...@easynet.co.uk)
You know you've had a good night
when you wake up
and someone's outlining you in chalk.
Michael F. McCartney
A gem - thanks!!
Mike~~
Michael Fannin McCartney
Fremont, California
Michael F. McCartney
>>shown. She is Lyon Clerk and Keeper of the Records while being at the
>>same time Carrick Pursuivant. Her arms are shown as impaled with those
>>of the Clerk - is that a more senior role than the Pursuivant? What is
>>the shape of her shield? It looks oval, but is it an artisitic
>>rendering of a lozenge?
>>
>I believe that Lyon Clerk is the more senior post, it is also one of
More to the point, there is an official coat of arms for Lyon Clerk, but only
badges for the various heralds & pursuivants. You can't impale a badge!
James Dempster
McCartney) wrote:
>More to the point, there is an official coat of arms for Lyon Clerk, but only
>badges for the various heralds & pursuivants. You can't impale a badge!
Though you can be impaled by one - as my thumb has testified on many
occasions :-)
Ray Ball
It does seem a little slow down-loading but the format
is easily followed. It is definatly worth linking to as
a potential resource.
I think the wallpaper is a little too bright and would be
improved if ghosted/watermark in style.
Ray (braveheart.co.nz)
Edwin King
>
> There must be some difference between the renderings of the page on
> different browsers. The wallpaper is highly complex, but the text
> comes up on mine (IE 5.5) on a much plainer background - the one used
> for the rest of the site.
>
> My gripe is the members arms page, which I've never yet managed to get
> to load. Maybe I need to give it longer than 5 minutes!!
Interestingly, whereas I had the trouble witht he wallpaper, there was
no dificulty at all with loading the memebers arms (or any other page)
and they were all rather quicker that usual.
Someone was asking the other week about diferent heraldic styles - this
is an excellent site for showing the style of a particular school of
heraldic artists and to give a feel for distinctly Scottish arms.
> As for the shield shape, Mrs Roads has
> always used that oval shape in any representation of her arms that
> I've seen. It makes fitting in a Bruce saltire and chief a bit easier
> than does a lozenge.
The (very good) page on heraldic design
http://www.heraldry-scotland.co.uk/Design.htm adresses this point.
Basically, you right, things fit on an elipse better than a lozenge. I
suppose shield shape has always been a question of artistic
interpretation and an elipse is sufficiently from a "male shield"
different for the purists not to get upset.
There's some good stuff on this site - does it represent the quality of
writing (and ilustration) in the Double Treassure?
G. A. Cook
>writing (and ilustration) in the Double Treassure?
I think so.
I'd also note that I had no problems seeing or downloading from the site. Of
course, I'm running AOL (gasp, shudder!).
Francois R. Velde
I've had trouble with neither the members' arms page nor with the front page
wallpaper (running IE 5.5 like James, on a good connection).
Academics always look first at the list of references to see if they're cited.
My (very) minor disappointment is that the "heraldic links" page lists a web site on
Ukrainian heraldry (in Cyrillic characters only) but not my page on Scottish
heraldry. Granted, it's graphics-poor, but there is 400K's worth of statutes
and court cases which might be of interest to students of Scots heraldry.
--
François R. Velde
ve...@nospam.org (replace by "heraldica")
Heraldica Web Site: http://www.heraldica.org/
James Dempster
<ve...@heraldica.nospam.org> wrote:
>It's a very, very nice site.
>
>I've had trouble with neither the members' arms page nor with the front page
>wallpaper (running IE 5.5 like James, on a good connection).
>
Later in the day it worked perfectly and very quickly so I guess it
was just IE playing up.
>Academics always look first at the list of references to see if they're cited.
>My (very) minor disappointment is that the "heraldic links" page lists a web site on
>Ukrainian heraldry (in Cyrillic characters only) but not my page on Scottish
>heraldry. Granted, it's graphics-poor, but there is 400K's worth of statutes
>and court cases which might be of interest to students of Scots heraldry.
Agreed. However, it is interesting that on the forum Stevenson is
recommended over Innes of Learney, especially the 1956 edition. I
can't but agree, but given the cost and scarcity of Stevenson, I'm
glad I got my copy last year :-)
Francois R. Velde
>Agreed. However, it is interesting that on the forum Stevenson is
>recommended over Innes of Learney, especially the 1956 edition.
Yes, I noted that (as well as the dig at Innes's "breathtaking assertions"...).
>I
>can't but agree, but given the cost and scarcity of Stevenson, I'm
>glad I got my copy last year :-)
Same here.
--
François Velde
ve...@nospam.org (replace by "heraldica")
Heraldry Site: http://www.heraldica.org/
Cook SLC
Glen A. Cook
Attorney (US)
Solicitor (England & Wales)
Anthony Maxwell
Hello I am the webmaster of this new Heraldry Society of Scotland
website. I thought I would come along and just answer a few questions.
The problems some of you are intermittently experiencing with the site
is not down to your browser but the hosting server which is, to put it
mildly, a dog! I am about to move the site onto a new fast server,
(hopefully a seamless move which will provide a stable user
interface!).
The diaper (wallpaper) on the homepage may well be the worst you have
ever seen but it is representing the Royal arms of Scotland and I
think we have all seen enough pastel heraldry to last several life
times.
Scotland for several years has offer lady armigers the option of an
elliptical (Oval) escutcheon or the more traditional Lozenge. Lyon
Clerk (Carrick) opted to have the Oval as it suited her Bruce coat
better than the Lozenge. As a result her grant stipulates an Oval
Escutcheon.
The site is still brand new and there are many things in the pipe
line. Heraldic links have to be approved by the committee. Scottish
heraldic authority is a division of Scottish Law and we must be seen
only to be supportive of legal heraldic sites if you can
‘understand’ that rather guarded comment. The range of
Scottish heraldic art on the site will soon be extended as the
Society’s members come on-line in the coming weeks.
Thank you for the compliments as well
Regards
George Anthony Maxwell
Webmaster
www.heraldry-scotland.co.uk
Edwin King
>
> The diaper (wallpaper) on the homepage may well be the worst you have
> ever seen but it is representing the Royal arms of Scotland and I
> think we have all seen enough pastel heraldry to last several life
> times.
The advantage of pastel is that if you put text on top of it, it can be
read. That can't always be said for scarlet and gold (however noble the
image!).
But I think we agree that the website is an excellent one.
Edwin
Anthony Maxwell
> read. That can't always be said for scarlet and gold (however noble the
> image!).
Are you seriously not getting frames with the beige background behind
the text on the homepage? What broswer are you using?
Still have not got the site moved onto the new server.... soon!
Anthony Maxwell
Francois R. Velde
>> The advantage of pastel is that if you put text on top of it, it can be
>> read. That can't always be said for scarlet and gold (however noble the
>> image!).
> Are you seriously not getting frames with the beige background behind
> the text on the homepage? What broswer are you using?
It's quite possible. The "background" attribute for a table element (as opposed
to the body element) is not part of HTML 4. You're using a picture as background
of a table, hoping it will cover up the picture that serves as background of the
page. Don't expect all browsers to do it. (You'd have better luck specifying a
background color, say, bgcolor="#EFE7CE").
<http://validator.w3.org/> is useful to validate a document.
--
François R. Velde
ve...@nospam.org (replace by "heraldica")
Odysseus
>
> Are you seriously not getting frames with the beige background behind
> the text on the homepage? What broswer are you using?
> Still have not got the site moved onto the new server.... soon!
>
used elsewhere in the site; no problem to read. I'm using Netscape 4.7,
Mac OS 9.0.4.
--Odysseus
Bryan Maloney
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Stop using formatting tags in HTML. They are now deprecated and v7 browsers
might not support them at all.
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> "Why then did the passengers on the plane that went down near Pittsburgh
> decide to resist the hijackers and prevent them from completing their
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> the World Trade Center had already been attacked by hijacked planes. They
> were armed with final awareness of the nature of the evil they faced.
>
> So armed, they could act. So armed, they did."
> --Time Magazine
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Brian M. Scott
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For what it's worth, Opera 5 seems to handle it as you intended.
Brian