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gregs talkin
Nov 27, 2012, 1:22:31 PM11/27/12
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Some weeks back, heraldic fellow heraldic student Joseph McMillan
wrote a paper entitled: Legal Authority for Irish Arms, which was
published by The Heraldry Society of Scotland. In his paper, Joseph
details legal precedence that were set in other areas of the law and
his paper attempts to tie said examples to state sanction of The
Office of the Chief Herald of Ireland. The paper is very well
researched and it makes a very interesting read: it is for all intents
and purposes, a rebuttal to Noel Cox.
Noel Cox’s paper on the other hand; “The Office of the Chief Herald of
Ireland and Continuity of Legal Authority”, deals directly with the
OFCHI visa - vi Ulster’s Office from start to finish. It demonstrates
that from the end of Ulster’s Office, there was never a clear sanction
made directly to heraldry, but rather a collateral “connection”
through the National Library.
I find both papers very interesting, with both making excellent
arguments. I’m posting to see what the thoughts of others might be on
this subject and if you have read Joseph’s paper. Joseph McMillan
referred to his work as “the final word” on the subject, yet I cannot
see how a legal case involving a women breaking her ankle in a hole
for instance, can lead one to conclude that the OCHI is legally
sanctioned by the Republic of Ireland.
Thoughts?
wrote a paper entitled: Legal Authority for Irish Arms, which was
published by The Heraldry Society of Scotland. In his paper, Joseph
details legal precedence that were set in other areas of the law and
his paper attempts to tie said examples to state sanction of The
Office of the Chief Herald of Ireland. The paper is very well
researched and it makes a very interesting read: it is for all intents
and purposes, a rebuttal to Noel Cox.
Noel Cox’s paper on the other hand; “The Office of the Chief Herald of
Ireland and Continuity of Legal Authority”, deals directly with the
OFCHI visa - vi Ulster’s Office from start to finish. It demonstrates
that from the end of Ulster’s Office, there was never a clear sanction
made directly to heraldry, but rather a collateral “connection”
through the National Library.
I find both papers very interesting, with both making excellent
arguments. I’m posting to see what the thoughts of others might be on
this subject and if you have read Joseph’s paper. Joseph McMillan
referred to his work as “the final word” on the subject, yet I cannot
see how a legal case involving a women breaking her ankle in a hole
for instance, can lead one to conclude that the OCHI is legally
sanctioned by the Republic of Ireland.
Thoughts?
Raveem
Nov 27, 2012, 1:58:05 PM11/27/12
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Is there a PDF of the JM paper which can be circulated? NC paper url is:
http://goo.gl/9lk3r
Raveem.
http://goo.gl/9lk3r
Raveem.
gregs talkin
Nov 27, 2012, 2:21:15 PM11/27/12
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I was hoping that Joseph could help us out with that. He sent me a
PDF: perhaps he'll see this and upload it somewhere.
gregs talkin
Dec 4, 2012, 12:34:57 PM12/4/12
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On Nov 27, 10:58 am, Raveem <ism...@raveem.com> wrote:
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I've uploaded Joseph's article here
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http://www.2shared.com/document/mY0XhZtX/Irish_Heraldic_Law1.html
Happy reading
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