Arms for HH Pope Francis?

The Chief

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Mar 14, 2013, 11:43:00 PM3/14/13

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I wonder if His Holiness will continue to use the ams he employed as
Archbishop of Buenos Aires, with modifications in accoutrements, of
course, shown at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Escudo_de_Armas_del_Cardenal_Jorge_Mario_Bergoglio.png

Or perhaps adopt something new? I wonder what the time scale is for
deciding on the new papal arms - I am assuming that they should be
displayed at the installation Mass next Tuesday? As a traditionalist,
I would love to see a return of the papal triple crown on the arms,
but somehow I don't think that will happen.

Regards,
The Chief

Turenne

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Mar 18, 2013, 10:57:43 AM3/18/13

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Hi Chief

Here are The Pope's new arms (basically his old arms with papal tiara etc)

http://press.catholica.va/news_services/bulletin/news/30649.php?index=30649&lang=en

Richard

Outis

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Mar 19, 2013, 1:13:20 PM3/19/13

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Am I the only one to find it somewhat audacious to have the jesuit insignia so prominently displayed on the papal arms?

Turenne

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Mar 19, 2013, 2:20:33 PM3/19/13

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On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:13:20 PM UTC, Outis wrote:
> Am I the only one to find it somewhat audacious to have the jesuit insignia so prominently displayed on the papal arms?
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Why audacious; isn't he the first Jesuit to become Pope?

RL

Outis

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Mar 20, 2013, 11:46:52 AM3/20/13

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Because the jesuits are supposed to have absolute obedience to their superiors (and the Superior), up to and including the pope... Doesn't seem like the kind of message the church should be stressing right now.

Outis

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Mar 20, 2013, 11:55:22 AM3/20/13

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In addition, jesuits are not supposed to be bishops in the first place. Jesuits are supposed to reject episcopal appointments unless overridden by their vow of obedience.

A pope or superior can compel a jesuit to accept an appointment, but since the pope-elect is free to reject the election, a jesuit who keeps his vow should theoretically never becomes pope.

So did Francis break his jesuit vow in becoming pope? Hmm...

gregs talkin

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Mar 20, 2013, 2:40:44 PM3/20/13

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It would seem then that the church violated it's own policy. They
then stamped with the Pope's new arms . . .

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Mar 20, 2013, 3:55:22 PM3/20/13

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But then there is nothing that says the Pope must be a Bishop (or even a Priest) to be elected to the papacy; there are several instances of people elected who weren't either (but were usually subsequently ordained or ordinated thus as a matter of course.)

gregs talkin

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Mar 20, 2013, 10:38:49 PM3/20/13

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On Mar 20, 12:55 pm, websta...@hotmail.com wrote:
> But then there is nothing that says the Pope must be a Bishop (or even a Priest) to be elected to the papacy; there are several instances of people elected who weren't either (but were usually subsequently ordained or ordinated thus as a matter of course.)

Uh, is there anything that says he must be Catholic?

Turenne

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Mar 21, 2013, 5:58:36 AM3/21/13

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I doubt it; St Peter was Jewish!

RL

Martin Goldstraw

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Mar 21, 2013, 6:27:29 AM3/21/13

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I laughed when I read Greg's question but I have to say Richard that
your reply has made my day. I split my sides!

Thanks to all.
Martin