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The Chief  
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(7 users)  More options Jul 1 2009, 9:03 pm
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From: The Chief <The_Chieft...@att.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:03:09 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Jul 1 2009 9:03 pm
Subject: Really, really want an honour? Simple, just get yourself killed!
Always REALLY wanted an honour?

Now there is a new simple three-step programme which guarantees you an
honour!

How to qualify:
1) Serve under the butcher's apron,
2) Get yourself killed,
3) Receive your honour!

With these new and very simple qualification criteria, it is hoped
that large numbers will receive personal honours for the first time,
New Labour delivers again! See:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6617486.ece  and
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5710673/Bereaved-Service-famil...

Sign-up now!

Regards,
  The Chief


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StephenP  
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(7 users)  More options Jul 2 2009, 3:37 am
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From: StephenP <plow...@uk2.net>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:37:34 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 2 2009 3:37 am
Subject: Re: Really, really want an honour? Simple, just get yourself killed!
On 2 July, 02:03, The Chief <The_Chieft...@att.net> wrote:

That post speaks volumes about the Chief.

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Tim Powys-Lybbe  
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 More options Jul 2 2009, 5:52 am
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From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:52:50 +0100
Local: Thurs, Jul 2 2009 5:52 am
Subject: Re: Really, really want an honour? Simple, just get yourself killed!
On 2 Jul at 2:03, The Chief <The_Chieft...@att.net> wrote:

> Always REALLY wanted an honour?

> Now there is a new simple three-step programme which guarantees you an
> honour!

> How to qualify: 1) Serve under the butcher's apron, 2) Get yourself
> killed, 3) Receive your honour!

> With these new and very simple qualification criteria, it is hoped
> that large numbers will receive personal honours for the first time,
> New Labour delivers again! See:
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6617486.ece  and

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5710673/Bereaved-Service-famil...

> Sign-up now!

I read it that the emblem (apparently the technical term for this award)
is to go to the next of kin, not to the poor chap (chapess) who is alas
no more.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe                                           t...@powys.org
             for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/


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Greg  
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(4 users)  More options Jul 2 2009, 11:24 am
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From: Greg <scoti...@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:24:31 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 2 2009 11:24 am
Subject: Re: Really, really want an honour? Simple, just get yourself killed!
On 1 July, 18:03, The Chief <The_Chieft...@att.net> wrote:

You may be an anti-war advocate, but you leave yourself to be simply
anti-people.

It's a wonderful idea that Elizabeth wishes to invlove herself
personally in the healing of those who lost loved ones in the service
of their country. The grieving families have always gotten very little
if anything for their sacrifice.

A very typical response from Atlanta.   [chief]... right


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StephenP  
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(4 users)  More options Jul 2 2009, 11:56 am
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From: StephenP <plow...@uk2.net>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:56:58 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 2 2009 11:56 am
Subject: Re: Really, really want an honour? Simple, just get yourself killed!
On 2 July, 16:24, Greg <scoti...@comcast.net> wrote:

> You may be an anti-war advocate, but you leave yourself to be simply
> anti-people.

> It's a wonderful idea that Elizabeth wishes to invlove herself
> personally in the healing of those who lost loved ones in the service
> of their country. The grieving families have always gotten very little
> if anything for their sacrifice.

> A very typical response from Atlanta.   [chief]... right-

Greg

I don't think he is being anti-war as such, more anti British.

Remembering the old saying "my enemy's enemy is my friend", I do hope
the Chief is not a cheerleader for the "peace loving" Taliban & AQ.


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ArtyO  
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 More options Jul 2 2009, 12:08 pm
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From: ArtyO <chledow...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:08:25 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 2 2009 12:08 pm
Subject: Re: Really, really want an honour? Simple, just get yourself killed!

> I read it that the emblem (apparently the technical term for this award)
> is to go to the next of kin, not to the poor chap (chapess) who is alas
> no more.

> --
> Tim Powys-Lybbe                                           t...@powys.org
>              for a miscellany of bygones:http://powys.org/

Tim;

Very true. I am quite surprised actually this has not been in place
for some time as it mirrors the "Memorial Cross / Silver Cross" which
Canada has
been giving to family members of military service persons who die in
defence of the country since 1919. See link.
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/cmdp/ma...

While conducting my pre-deployment training to go to Afghanistan in
2006, I had to sign a document listing the three persons I wished to
receive this cross in the
event of my demise. As widows and mothers used to automatically
receive them, some ex-wives were actually being given them along with
various death benefits after their ex-husband's death as the soldiers
did not have their files up to date. Thus the listing of who exactly
we wanted them to go to. I hesitate to think that this
would be something anyone would seek out to receive...I'm sure any
mother or wife would readily have their loved one back instead of
having this bobble.


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Peter Constantine  
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(2 users)  More options Jul 2 2009, 1:35 pm
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From: constant...@xsublime.demon.co.uk (Peter Constantine)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:35:38 +0100
Local: Thurs, Jul 2 2009 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: Really, really want an honour? Simple, just get yourself killed!

Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote:
> I read it that the emblem (apparently the technical term for this award)
> is to go to the next of kin, not to the poor chap (chapess) who is alas
> no more.

The status of the Elizabeth Cross appears to be that of 'commemorative
emblem' rather than any kind of posthumous military decoration awarded
to the deceased.

It seems to be much more a 'souvenir gift' than any kind of honour. It
is perhaps analagous to the giving of an American flag (...or apron) to
the families of dead US service personnel.

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Greg  
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(4 users)  More options Jul 2 2009, 4:36 pm
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From: Greg <scoti...@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:36:20 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 2 2009 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: Really, really want an honour? Simple, just get yourself killed!
On 2 July, 08:56, StephenP <plow...@uk2.net> wrote:

Okay, so that makes him a chief of what, a Cherokee Indian tribe?
Maybe they've moved back to Atlanta Georgia... Do they have gambling
in Atlanta?  That would explain the move.

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The Chief  
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(4 users)  More options Jul 3 2009, 4:08 am
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From: The Chief <The_Chieft...@att.net>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:08:24 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 3 2009 4:08 am
Subject: Re: Really, really want an honour? Simple, just get yourself killed!
On Jul 2, 2:52 am, Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org> wrote:

Well, the press reports consistently refer to this new award  as an
"honour", which would appear to point to a briefing or background
information to that effect.

Regards,
  The Chief


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 More options Jul 3 2009, 4:27 am
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From: JC Horton <ccz...@googlemail.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:27:06 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 3 2009 4:27 am
Subject: Re: Really, really want an honour? Simple, just get yourself killed!
On Jul 3, 9:08 am, The Chief <The_Chieft...@att.net> wrote:

... either that or the press being completely ignorant.

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The Chief  
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(4 users)  More options Jul 3 2009, 6:38 am
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From: The Chief <The_Chieft...@att.net>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 03:38:24 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 3 2009 6:38 am
Subject: Re: Really, really want an honour? Simple, just get yourself killed!
On Jul 3, 1:27 am, JC Horton <ccz...@googlemail.com> wrote:

The Thunderer ignorant? Impossible.

Regards,
 The Chief


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