de Torby Morganaut Arms

Zwartendÿk

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May 11, 2013, 8:34:22 AM5/11/13

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Does anybody know which arms the de Torby morganauts sported? Were
they granted arms by the Grand Duke of Luxembourg together with the
comital title?

Did their mother use the Merenberg arms (de sinople au sautoir d'or
cantonné de douze croisettes recroisetées du même) and if so, did they
inherit it or some derivation thereof?

I am surprised that there are no descriptions or displays of such arms
floating around, as the de Torbys went extinct in the male line and
the presumed heraldic heiresses married into some rather prestigious,
armigerous families (Wernher of Luton Hoo, Battenberg of Milford
Haven, Grosvenor of Westminster and Hamilton of Abercorn). So one
would expect to some quarterings with said arms.

BTW the Wernher arms don't seem to be much in evidence either. They
are:
http://www.bedfordshire.gov.uk/CommunityAndLiving/ArchivesAndRecordOffice/CommunityArchives/Luton/Wernher%20coat%20of%20arms_150x158.jpg

Zwartendÿk

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May 11, 2013, 9:22:46 AM5/11/13

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Wernher arms:
De gueules à deux étoiles à six rais d'or surmontés de deux flèches
d'argent à tous les deux bouts pointus en sautoir et à un mont de
sinople en pointe.

Turenne

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May 11, 2013, 12:49:44 PM5/11/13

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Here are the Merenberg arms:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Neues_Wappen_Merenberg.svg

I can't find them impaled/quartered with any other arms. V strange...

RL

re

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May 17, 2013, 10:40:58 AM5/17/13

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These Merenberg's are fairly unheraldic with white roof and lots of shaddow-dashes.

I have them also in different colours but not quartered.

re

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May 17, 2013, 10:52:12 AM5/17/13

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Have no Torby arms nowhere also not in Loutsch's.
But
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morganatic_marriage#Luxembourg

re

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May 17, 2013, 3:22:20 PM5/17/13

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https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3,_%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0

as far as I can read this: notinh about th CoA

re

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May 18, 2013, 10:42:03 AM5/18/13

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Hallo Zwartendÿk:

here are some results about who titled:

Karl Wippermann, Verlag Felix Meiner, 1897

http://abload.de/image.php?img=xxxxxxpsun9.jpg
http://abload.de/image.php?img=yyyyyyrfub2.jpg

in other words the office of the Grandduke should have the detail.

re

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May 19, 2013, 2:29:00 AM5/19/13

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Gotha 1902
http://abload.de/image.php?img=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxjtaad.jpg

re

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May 19, 2013, 3:00:38 PM5/19/13

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There is no Coat of Arms !

Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels 131,483
Torby
Orth. - Luxemb. Gfnstand als „v. Torby" ... 1891 (für Sophie Gfin V.Merenberg, seit 26.2.1891 morg. Gemahlin d. Gfstn Michael Michailowitsch v. Rußland , u. deren evtl. Deszendenz).
W. (1891): Nicht verliehen.

Zwartendÿk

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May 20, 2013, 10:24:12 AM5/20/13

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On 17 Mai, 16:40, re <allbr...@t-online.de> wrote:
> These Merenberg's are fairly unheraldic with white roof and lots of shaddow-dashes.
>
> I have them also in different colours but not quartered.

What do you mean?

Interesting finds. In response to these posts and those you've posted
at the Alexander Palace Forum, here are some older threads where the
origin of the name has been discussed:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.heraldry/browse_thread/thread/520766dbb7bbb9ab/1fbecc0adc2cffde?lnk=gst&q=Torby#1fbecc0adc2cffde
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=6802.msg409803#msg409803