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Rule of Tincture ORIGIN
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for Nicolai
May 22, 2012, 4:49:25 AM5/22/12
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_tincture
...after dwelling in the heraldic prehistory
"I" now believe, that the "Rule of Tincture"
(((metal should not be put on metal, nor colour on colour )))
isn't based on visibility, it originates out of the
technique
"""Champlevé enamel, Gilded copper aka. Cloisonné"""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloisonn%C3%A9
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champlev%C3%A9
because "Cloisonné-Champlevé" doesn't allow "Colour on Colour"
Colour always needs to be separated by a border or thin thread of
metal,
(Colour on Colour, as Metal on Metal is just technically impossible)
also the rule of
(only one metal) can be explained through this...!!!
...Gold and Silver, ...gilded Copper, because other metals would
oxidize rather quickly, especially in the process of melting the
glass!
______________________________________________________________ as to
the origin of "Cloisonné",
well you found some in your own backyard,
http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/503/cache/anglo-saxon-bed-burial-found-garnet_50343_600x450.jpg
it was developed as a cheaper version of the Anglo-Saxon Inlay work
where they used real Gold inlayed with Garnets-Gems,
where each Gem had to be singly cut and polished to fit each tiny Gold
frame!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staffordshire_Hoard
...after dwelling in the heraldic prehistory
"I" now believe, that the "Rule of Tincture"
(((metal should not be put on metal, nor colour on colour )))
isn't based on visibility, it originates out of the
technique
"""Champlevé enamel, Gilded copper aka. Cloisonné"""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloisonn%C3%A9
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champlev%C3%A9
because "Cloisonné-Champlevé" doesn't allow "Colour on Colour"
Colour always needs to be separated by a border or thin thread of
metal,
(Colour on Colour, as Metal on Metal is just technically impossible)
also the rule of
(only one metal) can be explained through this...!!!
...Gold and Silver, ...gilded Copper, because other metals would
oxidize rather quickly, especially in the process of melting the
glass!
______________________________________________________________ as to
the origin of "Cloisonné",
well you found some in your own backyard,
http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/503/cache/anglo-saxon-bed-burial-found-garnet_50343_600x450.jpg
it was developed as a cheaper version of the Anglo-Saxon Inlay work
where they used real Gold inlayed with Garnets-Gems,
where each Gem had to be singly cut and polished to fit each tiny Gold
frame!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staffordshire_Hoard
Gary
May 22, 2012, 6:01:43 AM5/22/12
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Nicolai,
The techniques shown on the page you reference seems to show more of metal against color and vice versa. The Chinese bowl varies with azure and gules if memory serves.
The choice of technique versus what shows better may be from the eternal mind past and present...it works.
Gary
The techniques shown on the page you reference seems to show more of metal against color and vice versa. The Chinese bowl varies with azure and gules if memory serves.
The choice of technique versus what shows better may be from the eternal mind past and present...it works.
Gary
for Nicolai
May 22, 2012, 7:17:54 AM5/22/12
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I don't believe that the origin of the "Rules" are in China....,
but that the "Rules of Tincture"
were established after the first Arms have been depicted like this for
a while!
here is a nice pre.....example
6th Century
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:F%C3%ADbula_aquiliforme_%28M.A.N._Madrid%29_01.jpg&filetimestamp=20110126235433
but that the "Rules of Tincture"
were established after the first Arms have been depicted like this for
a while!
here is a nice pre.....example
6th Century
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:F%C3%ADbula_aquiliforme_%28M.A.N._Madrid%29_01.jpg&filetimestamp=20110126235433
for Nicolai
May 23, 2012, 5:58:42 AM5/23/12
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Just to make it more undertstandable,
this is why I set the link to the last piece from the 6th century!
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:F%C3%ADbula_aquiliforme_%28M.A.N._Madrid%29_01.jpg&filetimestamp=20110126235433
see..
http://www.arquivoltas.com/13-Soria/Aldealsenor%20G13.jpg
http://www.arquivoltas.com/13-Soria/01-Aldealsenor.htm
________________________________________________________________________
you will find more under the spanish keywords
"Fíbula aquiliforme"
and
"Fíbula visigótica"
for Nicolai
Dec 5, 2013, 2:59:45 AM12/5/13
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Maybe, just maybe I was right about the origin of the rules !?
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89mail_%28h%C3%A9raldique%29
the same for Spain,
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esmalte_%28her%C3%A1ldica%29
and
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esmalte
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89mail_%28h%C3%A9raldique%29
the same for Spain,
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esmalte_%28her%C3%A1ldica%29
and
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esmalte
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for Nicolai
Dec 5, 2013, 8:19:39 AM12/5/13
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and Italy...
"Smalto"
""Il nome deriva dall’antico"" ... maybe somebody knows,
where it was originally mentioned (or first mentioning)
""Gli smalti obbediscono alla regola di contrasto dei colori.""
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smalto_%28araldica%29
"Smalto"
""Il nome deriva dall’antico"" ... maybe somebody knows,
where it was originally mentioned (or first mentioning)
""Gli smalti obbediscono alla regola di contrasto dei colori.""
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smalto_%28araldica%29
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