Loyalists to the Royal House of Stanley
StephenP
the statement;
"The present day de jure claimant to the Kingdom of the Isle of Man is
HRH Prince David of Mann. A cousin of HM Queen Elizabeth II and
direct descendant of King Thomas II, the last of the Royal House of
Stanley Kings of the Isle of Man, he is supported by loyalists to the
Royal House of Stanley."
As if for centuries there has been a group of Manx men & women
secretly holding out for the return of their "One True King". Has
Howe been watching the Lord of the Rings?
Yours aye
Stephen
Greg
I dunno. Seems to me that he's picked he's own Territorial
Designation; it's a name, and tha'ts okay isn't it?...
Joseph McMillan
> The recent revamp to David Howe's fantasy royalty site, now includes
> the statement;
>
> "The present day de jure claimant to the Kingdom of the Isle of Man is
> HRH Prince David of Mann. A cousin of HM Queen Elizabeth II and
> direct descendant of King Thomas II, the last of the Royal House of
> Stanley Kings of the Isle of Man, he is supported by loyalists to the
> Royal House of Stanley."
>
eleventh president of Amherst College in Massachusetts. Is there a
Stanley King who lives on the Isle of Man? Stanley Kowalski I've
heard of...and Stan Musial, too, but Musial's real name was
Stanislaw. Polish, just like the Order of St. Stanislas. Hmmm.
Greg
Something just occured to me: What are you guys gong to do if this
Howe character decides to do a DNA test?
Joseph McMillan
>
> Something just occured to me: What are you guys gong to do if this
> Howe character decides to do a DNA test?
Laugh. It doesn't matter if he does a DNA test, or even if he proves
by it that he is a male-line descendant of the Stanley Lords of Man.
The title to Man is legally vested in the British Crown, not in the
Stanleys. And even if there were still a valid Stanley claim, it
would belong to the legal heir of the last holder, not to some guy
named Howe who decided to claim the "throne" because he thought it was
vacant. A DNA test can't prove that.
StephenP
>
> I dunno. Seems to me that he's picked he's own Territorial
> Designation; it's a name, and tha'ts okay isn't it?...
Not sure where you get the idea of the TD from. Unless it is a sorry
attempt to have an indirect dig at someone on an unrelated matter.
However, I don't think Howe considers it as a mere name or TD. He is
claiming it as a title. Big difference.
Greg
Stephen please,
Howe King (of) Mann is a TD to the nth degree isn't it? A dig? No,
not at all. It just follows the going logic of some on these matters
and shows how far that logic can go: maybe not today or next week,
but...
If this guy -- changes his name and petitions under the current
decision as per Human Rights (remember, that's the linchpin) then, I
sugest that model.
It's a working theory in a dicussion, not and emotional flag- for me
anyway. Now, if you can shoot down the proposition, just as a theory,
then please do.
Show me how that could never happen - with anybody...
StephenP
>
> Stephen please,
>
> Howe King (of) Mann is a TD to the nth degree isn't it? A dig? No,
> not at all. It just follows the going logic of some on these matters
> and shows how far that logic can go: maybe not today or next week,
> but...
> If this guy -- changes his name and petitions under the current
> decision as per Human Rights (remember, that's the linchpin) then, I
> sugest that model.
>
> It's a working theory in a dicussion, not and emotional flag- for me
> anyway. Now, if you can shoot down the proposition, just as a theory,
> then please do.
> Show me how that could never happen - with anybody...
Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of
Great Britain and Northern Ireland Queen etc..
I don't think I'd describe the above as a TD but I suppose in a
certain light it could be viewed so. Howe could change his legal name
to include reference to Mann but that would be tantamount to an
admission that it was a sham. A REAL title, in this case, is a
separate beast to a name. Better the delusion of a royal title than a
cheapskate name change.
Greg
Very nice, but that didn't stop him - remember?
And yes, in a certian light Howe's nonsense can be seen as a TD:
that's the whole point. I have to say that I find it rather insulting
that someone would even attempt this sort of stuff. But, where there's
a will there's a way and I don't think that the authorities go far
enough to disuade this kind of thing. And yes a Real Title is indeed
a seperate thing; by crown - not self appointment.
Hovite
> direct descendant of King Thomas II, the last of the Royal House of
> Stanley Kings of the Isle of Man, he is supported by loyalists to the
> Royal House of Stanley."
Which Thomas is "Thomas II"?
There have been several Lords (not Kings) called Thomas:
Thomas Randolf, 1st Earl of Moray {1313-1317}
Thomas Stanley, 1st Lord Stanley {1437-1459}
Thomas Stanley, 1st Earl of Derby {1459-1504}
Thomas Stanley, 2nd Earl of Derby {1504-1521}
Thomas Fairfax, 3rd Lord Fairfax {1652-1660}
The last Stanley Lord was a James, after which the lordship passed
through a female to the Murray family.
ele...@gnucnu.com
> Better the delusion of a royal title than a
> cheapskate name change.
Are you sure? I thought cheapskate name changes were becoming very
fashionable.
EAJM
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> cheapskate name change.
Are you sure? I thought cheapskate name changes were becoming
increasingly fashionable.
EAJM