A new barony market?
B G. Hamilton.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_feudal_barony
Clearly some cut and pasteing from my own site here; other than Graham
(who knows everything) does anyone know anything about Spanish
baronies?
Yours as ever,
BGH
Turenne
matters relating to the Spanish Nobility; I'll let you know when I
hear from him.
Richard
Joseph McMillan
I expect he'll tell you that, contrary to the Wikipedia article,
Scottish lords of parliament have no prescribed place in the Spanish
order of precedence.
Turenne
>
> I expect he'll tell you that, contrary to the Wikipedia article,
> Scottish lords of parliament have no prescribed place in the Spanish
> order of precedence.
That's for sure!
Basically feudal baronies per se don't exist.
Here we go....(trans from Spanish)
" At the death of Don Alfonso XII 94 titles of Baron existed in Spain.
To the fall of the monarchy (1931) this number had increased to 143,
that is to say, 49 more. As Don Alfonso XIII had granted 25 titles of
this class, there were the 24 rehabilitated ones during his reign.
Just it is to roconocer that great part of these rehabilitations did
not become on authentic titles of Baron, but on " Señoríos de
Baronías" (that, in fact, they were not such nobiliary titles) and,
sometimes, on mayorazgos with jurisdiction. As Art. 16 of the Law of
27 of May of 1912 arranges that the conversion of the title of Sir in
another nobiliary dignity will not be authorized nor will grant new
titles of this class, many of these rehabilitations became under the
formula of " bonds created with Real" faculty; , thus avoiding to use
the word " Señorío" , whose recognition was against the Law of 1912.
On the other hand, in Castile the title of Baron did not exist, like
such nobiliary dignity, until the coming of the House of Bourbon,
already entered century XVIII well. Thus, in the year of 1653, when
soliciing Don Leon de Zurco title of Baron for its person and wife,
the Camera refused not to grant it that class of titles in Castilla."
SOURCE Atienza and Navajas, Julio of; Baron of Cobos de Belchite
Greatnesses and Titles of the Kingdom granted by S.M. King D. Alfonso
XIII. Madrid 1963 p. 298
SOURCE
Atienza y Navajas, Julio de; Barón de Cobos de Belchite
Grandezas y Títulos del Reino concedidos por S.M. El Rey D. Alfonso
XIII.
Madrid 1963
p. 298
and
"We add that in modern times, particularly in the constitutional era,
the Baron was the least frequent of all titles."
SOURCE
Atienza y Navajas, Julio de; Barón de Cobos de Belchite
Nobiliario Español
Diccionario heraldico de apellidos españoles y de títulos nobiliarios
Madrid 1954²
p. 27
Current Spanish barons:
Vacant baronies:
RL
Turenne
Maybe this translation is better:
"On the death of Alfonso XII in force in Spain 94 titles of Baron. In
the fall of the monarchy (1931) this number had risen to 143, ie 49
more. As Don Alfonso XIII had issued 25 titles of this kind, 24 were
rehabilitated during his reign.
Many of these rehabilitations were not on real titles of Baron, but on
"Manors of Baronies" (which in fact were not such titles of nobility),
and in some occasions, entailed having jurisdiction.
As the art. 16 Law May 27, 1912 has not authorized the conversion of
the title of Lord in other noble dignity or awarded new titles in this
class, many of these restorations were made under the formula of
"links created with Real power "avoid using the word" Manor ", in
which recognition is opposed by the Act of 1912.
Moreover, in Castile there was no title of Baron, as such noble
dignity, until the advent of the House of Bourbon, well into the
eighteenth century. Thus, in the year 1653, to request Zurco Lion Don
baronetcy for his person and house, the Chamber denied the failure to
issue that kind of titles in Castile. "
RL
Turenne
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Se%C3%B1or%C3%ADo
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolici%C3%B3n_de_los_se%C3%B1or%C3%ADos_en_Espa%C3%B1a
RL
Odysseus
<fc180491-a46b-40a6...@22g2000prx.googlegroups.com>,
"B G. Hamilton." <bghro...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Someone sent me this
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_feudal_barony
>
> Clearly some cut and pasteing from my own site here [...]
You may be interested to know that the article was severely pruned
yesterday, and further that its creator has been identified as a
sockpuppet -- whose owner has now been blocked for abuse of multiple
accounts. The editor responsible for bringing it to the administrators'
attention cited this thread in doing so.
See
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Rioseco
/Archive>
(watch for link-wrap).
Well done, Yopie!
--
Odysseus
margaret hamilton
> In article
> <fc180491-a46b-40a6-a397-c72024b2a...@22g2000prx.googlegroups.com>,
> "B G. Hamilton." <bghrockh...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > Someone sent me this
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_feudal_barony
>
> > Clearly some cut and pasteing from my own site here [...]
>
> You may be interested to know that the article was severely pruned
> yesterday, and further that its creator has been identified as a
> sockpuppet -- whose owner has now been blocked for abuse of multiple
> accounts. The editor responsible for bringing it to the administrators'
> attention cited this thread in doing so.
>
> See
> (watch for link-wrap).
>
> Well done, Yopie!
>
> --
> Odysseus
Thank you to everyone; it does show that the internet is capable of
being edited/controlled to some extent.
BGH
Turenne
wrote:
>
> Thank you to everyone; it does show that the internet is capable of
> being edited/controlled to some extent.
>
Margaret Hamilton?? Is there something you haven't told us Brian?
Richard L
B G. Hamilton.
We are in foreign parts (England) and sharing one laptop; I used it
while The Baroness was signed in.
BGH
Turenne
wrote:
>
> We are in foreign parts (England) and sharing one laptop; I used it
> while The Baroness was signed in.
My apologies to you and the noble baroness...
RL
Mr. Reynold
wrote:
Seems no one can really answer the question about how those baronies
are classified today: they did or still do did exist. But I doubt
there's a market.
Spanish baronies however would make an interesting paper.
Graham Milne
That reminds me of a joke.
Lady to her chauffeur.
"James, take off my coat."
"Yes. M'Lady."
"Take off my dress."
"Yes, M'Lady."
"Take off my bra."
"Yes,M'Lady."
"And James..."
"Yes, M'Lday?"
"Don't ever let me catch you wearing my clothes again."