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Phil
May 22, 2013, 7:13:38 AM5/22/13
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Unlikely to make it, but still:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/22/us_bill_james_bond_smart_gun/
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Wayne
May 22, 2013, 1:31:41 PM5/22/13
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"Phil" wrote in message news:kni992$t15$1...@news.albasani.net...
#Unlikely to make it, but still:
#http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/22/us_bill_james_bond_smart_gun/
Not that unlikely in states such as CA. A requirement to have microstamping
on all semi-auto handguns was passed in California some years back. The CA
attorney general has just declared that the provisions of the bill are now
satisfied so that it can go into effect.
There is nothing (but us) to stop the feds or states from passing such
legislation, with implementation contingent on its becoming available.
victor
May 22, 2013, 1:31:42 PM5/22/13
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On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:13:38 AM UTC-5, Phil wrote:
# Unlikely to make it, but still:
#
# http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/22/us_bill_james_bond_smart_gun/
Bet that police and military won't be required to use "smart guns" under such a bill.
# Unlikely to make it, but still:
#
# http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/22/us_bill_james_bond_smart_gun/
Bet that police and military won't be required to use "smart guns" under such a bill.
Gerald "Brick" Brickwood
May 22, 2013, 5:15:28 PM5/22/13
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On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:13:38 AM UTC-4, Phil wrote:
# Unlikely to make it, but still:
#=20
# http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/22/us_bill_james_bond_smart_gun/
#=20
#=20
IIRC New Jersey already has a "Smart Gun" Law in place that requires all guns
become "smart" once one is available and the technology proven. Smart Gun
bills have been proposed in Pennsylvania's legislature also for each of the
last 3 or so General Assemblies.
# Unlikely to make it, but still:
#=20
# http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/22/us_bill_james_bond_smart_gun/
#=20
#=20
IIRC New Jersey already has a "Smart Gun" Law in place that requires all guns
become "smart" once one is available and the technology proven. Smart Gun
bills have been proposed in Pennsylvania's legislature also for each of the
last 3 or so General Assemblies.
R. LaCasse
May 23, 2013, 9:37:24 AM5/23/13
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Even worse, as in Message-ID:
<fa5pp89dp0bgvb86o...@4ax.com>
Subject: California Gun Law Enforces Microstamping Of Semi-Automatic Handgun
Info Onto Bullets
California Gun Law Enforces Microstamping Of Semi-Automatic Handgun Info
Onto Bullets
By Sarah Rae Fruchtnicht, Mon, May 20, 2013
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/california-gun-law-enforces-microstamping-semi-automatic-handgun-info-bullets
A bill signed into law by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in 2007 is finally in
effect in California. All new semi-automatic handguns must be equipped to
microstamp bullet casings with the make, model and serial number of the gun.
The law should have gone into effect in 2010 because of microstamping
technology patents. One of the patents was taken to task because of gun
rights groups hoping to stop the law's implementation. The law fails to
apply to the already 1,200 guns in the state's firearm registry.
Pro-gun groups opposed the measure. "Manufactures are not going to create a
special run of firearms with all of these very burdensome manufacturing
technologies just so they can comply and produce firearms for one market,"
said Brandon Combs, executive director of the Calguns Foundation. In a
federal court filing, Calguns, a San Carlos based group, challenged the
state's handgun roster as unconstitutional. The group paid $555 to extend a
patent, Combs said, because they wanted to "audit" the California Department
of Justice, which called the patents "unencumbered."
Attorney General Kamala Harris certified that patents were no longer an
issue in a Friday announcement. "This very important technology will help us
as law enforcement in identifying and locating people who improperly and
illegally use and discharge firearms," Harris said. About 40 percent of
homicides in the state are unsolved and most of those involve firearms.
Author of the law, former state Assemblyman Mike Feuer, called Friday a
"monumental day for law enforcement." Feuer said the law "moves California
to the forefront of the nation in combating gun crime."
Sources: ABC, Sacramento Bee
NamPhong
May 23, 2013, 9:37:26 AM5/23/13
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On 5/22/2013 12:31 PM, Wayne wrote:
# "Phil" wrote in message news:kni992$t15$1...@news.albasani.net...
#
# #Unlikely to make it, but still:
# #http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/22/us_bill_james_bond_smart_gun/
#
# Not that unlikely in states such as CA. A requirement to have microstamping
# on all semi-auto handguns was passed in California some years back. The CA
# attorney general has just declared that the provisions of the bill are now
# satisfied so that it can go into effect.
#
# There is nothing (but us) to stop the feds or states from passing such
# legislation, with implementation contingent on its becoming available.
What happens to the microstamp is the fired brass is passed around to
multiple people who reload?
# "Phil" wrote in message news:kni992$t15$1...@news.albasani.net...
#
# #Unlikely to make it, but still:
# #http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/22/us_bill_james_bond_smart_gun/
#
# Not that unlikely in states such as CA. A requirement to have microstamping
# on all semi-auto handguns was passed in California some years back. The CA
# attorney general has just declared that the provisions of the bill are now
# satisfied so that it can go into effect.
#
# There is nothing (but us) to stop the feds or states from passing such
# legislation, with implementation contingent on its becoming available.
What happens to the microstamp is the fired brass is passed around to
multiple people who reload?
Wayne
May 23, 2013, 4:47:18 PM5/23/13
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"NamPhong" wrote in message news:knl62l$lit$1...@news.albasani.net...
On 5/22/2013 12:31 PM, Wayne wrote:
#> "Phil" wrote in message news:kni992$t15$1...@news.albasani.net...
#>
#>#http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/22/us_bill_james_bond_smart_gun/
#>
#> Not that unlikely in states such as CA. A requirement to have
#> microstamping
#>
#> Not that unlikely in states such as CA. A requirement to have
#What happens to the microstamp is the fired brass is passed around to
#multiple people who reload?
Microstamping creates a whole new set of gungrabber concerns. I wouldn't be
surprised to see proposed laws for yearly certification of microstamping,
and laws against reusing brass.
Phil
May 23, 2013, 4:47:19 PM5/23/13
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"California Gun Law Enforces Microstamping Of Semi-Automatic Handgun
Gunner Asch
May 23, 2013, 4:47:20 PM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 13:37:26 +0000 (UTC), NamPhong <639...@gmail.com>
wrote:
#On 5/22/2013 12:31 PM, Wayne wrote:
## "Phil" wrote in message news:kni992$t15$1...@news.albasani.net...
##
## #Unlikely to make it, but still:
## #http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/22/us_bill_james_bond_smart_gun/
##
## Not that unlikely in states such as CA. A requirement to have microstamping
## on all semi-auto handguns was passed in California some years back. The CA
## attorney general has just declared that the provisions of the bill are now
## satisfied so that it can go into effect.
##
## There is nothing (but us) to stop the feds or states from passing such
## legislation, with implementation contingent on its becoming available.
#
#What happens to the microstamp is the fired brass is passed around to
#multiple people who reload?
It stamps the primer. Figure how that is passed from case to case.
wrote:
#On 5/22/2013 12:31 PM, Wayne wrote:
## "Phil" wrote in message news:kni992$t15$1...@news.albasani.net...
##
## #Unlikely to make it, but still:
## #http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/22/us_bill_james_bond_smart_gun/
##
## Not that unlikely in states such as CA. A requirement to have microstamping
## on all semi-auto handguns was passed in California some years back. The CA
## attorney general has just declared that the provisions of the bill are now
## satisfied so that it can go into effect.
##
## There is nothing (but us) to stop the feds or states from passing such
## legislation, with implementation contingent on its becoming available.
#
#What happens to the microstamp is the fired brass is passed around to
#multiple people who reload?
It stamps the primer. Figure how that is passed from case to case.
SaPeIsMa
May 23, 2013, 9:42:57 PM5/23/13
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#
# It stamps the primer. Figure how that is passed from case to case.
#
They'll probably to make removing the original primer illegal..
# It stamps the primer. Figure how that is passed from case to case.
#
They'll probably to make removing the original primer illegal..
Wayne
May 23, 2013, 9:42:58 PM5/23/13
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Here you go....
California Senate Bill 293
Bans the sale of conventional handguns, if the state Department of Justice
approves the sale of "Owner Authorized--Smart" handgun technology.
Not voted on yet, but being thrashed about.
Martin Eastburn
May 23, 2013, 9:42:59 PM5/23/13
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That is a good point.
How about all of the guns without the imprint. Seems like
only legal guns will have them and they would be certified ok.
Only those that go bad or get their guns stolen would show up.
It will take many years to replace all of the pistols with the new kind.
What a poor concept bill. Just cost more.
Martin Former resident and life member Cal R&P
How about all of the guns without the imprint. Seems like
only legal guns will have them and they would be certified ok.
Only those that go bad or get their guns stolen would show up.
It will take many years to replace all of the pistols with the new kind.
What a poor concept bill. Just cost more.
Martin Former resident and life member Cal R&P
Martin Eastburn
May 23, 2013, 9:43:01 PM5/23/13
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That seems logical to have the pin micro-doted to transfer.
Might not work well with CCI that has hard cases. :-)
Martin
Might not work well with CCI that has hard cases. :-)
Martin
victor
May 24, 2013, 4:58:54 AM5/24/13
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Useless in any firearm that doesn't eject spent cases, or if the shooter polices
the brass, or if the stamper is worn or defaced or a replacement part, or if the
gun is stolen or predates the law or comes from out of state.
In a word, useless.
pyotr filipivich
May 24, 2013, 4:30:50 PM5/24/13
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|
|It stamps the primer. Figure how that is passed from case to case.
Lovely idea. Now, how considering how we've sold (18* 2.2 million
|It stamps the primer. Figure how that is passed from case to case.
~40 million) firearms in the last 5 years, how does one develop a
unique id number which can made part of a firing pin, which will
handle 9 digit numbers, and not wear out for the life of the firearm?
Hmmm, will replacement firing pins be made available? Duplicates?
Sound more like a "Full Employment for Lawyers and File Clerks"
Act.
RD Sandman
May 24, 2013, 9:26:14 PM5/24/13
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Phil <philip_b...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:knlv8n$dd5$1
@news.albasani.net:
#
# "California Gun Law Enforces Microstamping Of Semi-Automatic Handgun
# Info Onto Bullets" - not brass.
And that microstamping is expected to remain in place after its trip
through the rifling? What happened to the requirement that it be readable
by a street cop?
@news.albasani.net:
#
# "California Gun Law Enforces Microstamping Of Semi-Automatic Handgun
# Info Onto Bullets" - not brass.
And that microstamping is expected to remain in place after its trip
through the rifling? What happened to the requirement that it be readable
by a street cop?
RD Sandman
May 24, 2013, 9:26:16 PM5/24/13
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"SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@gmail.com> wrote in news:knmgj0$clo$1
@news.albasani.net:
# #
#
@news.albasani.net:
# #
# # It stamps the primer. Figure how that is passed from case to case.
# #
#
# They'll probably to make removing the original primer illegal..
Or swapping or replacing firing pins.
RD Sandman
May 24, 2013, 9:26:17 PM5/24/13
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Martin Eastburn <lion...@consolidated.net> wrote in news:knmgj3$cqc$1
@news.albasani.net:
# That is a good point.
#
# How about all of the guns without the imprint. Seems like
# only legal guns will have them and they would be certified ok.
# Only those that go bad or get their guns stolen would show up.
#
# It will take many years to replace all of the pistols with the new
kind.
# What a poor concept bill. Just cost more.
#
# Martin Former resident and life member Cal R&P
It also will not work on revolvers which leave no casings at the scene.
Or one could pick up a lot of used brass at the firing range and strew
them all over the scene.
@news.albasani.net:
# That is a good point.
#
# How about all of the guns without the imprint. Seems like
# only legal guns will have them and they would be certified ok.
# Only those that go bad or get their guns stolen would show up.
#
# It will take many years to replace all of the pistols with the new
kind.
# What a poor concept bill. Just cost more.
#
# Martin Former resident and life member Cal R&P
It also will not work on revolvers which leave no casings at the scene.
Or one could pick up a lot of used brass at the firing range and strew
them all over the scene.
Gunner Asch
May 25, 2013, 7:01:37 AM5/25/13
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On Sat, 25 May 2013 01:26:14 +0000 (UTC), RD Sandman
<rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote:
#Phil <philip_b...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:knlv8n$dd5$1
#@news.albasani.net:
#
##
## "California Gun Law Enforces Microstamping Of Semi-Automatic Handgun
## Info Onto Bullets" - not brass.
#
#And that microstamping is expected to remain in place after its trip
#through the rifling? What happened to the requirement that it be readable
#by a street cop?
That leaves out marking the bullet base then doesnt it?
<rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote:
#Phil <philip_b...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:knlv8n$dd5$1
#@news.albasani.net:
#
##
## "California Gun Law Enforces Microstamping Of Semi-Automatic Handgun
## Info Onto Bullets" - not brass.
#
#And that microstamping is expected to remain in place after its trip
#through the rifling? What happened to the requirement that it be readable
#by a street cop?
That leaves out marking the bullet base then doesnt it?
Wayne
May 25, 2013, 4:37:33 PM5/25/13
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"RD Sandman" wrote in message news:knp3vp$alg$1...@news.albasani.net...
#Or one could pick up a lot of used brass at the firing range and strew
#them all over the scene.
Since I pick up a lot of brass at the range, that's what I plan to do :)
pyotr filipivich
May 25, 2013, 4:37:35 PM5/25/13
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|That leaves out marking the bullet base then doesn't it?
Oooh - I know! The laser sight also doubles as an engraver. That
way the serial number can be engraved on the base of the bullet, once
it has left the barrel. The details are just a matter of engineering
and stuff.
Hmm - might be better to just engrave on of those square "bar
codes" on the base. After all, a high tech solution requires more
high tech solutions to the problems it creates.
tschus
pyotr
Oooh - I know! The laser sight also doubles as an engraver. That
way the serial number can be engraved on the base of the bullet, once
it has left the barrel. The details are just a matter of engineering
and stuff.
Hmm - might be better to just engrave on of those square "bar
codes" on the base. After all, a high tech solution requires more
high tech solutions to the problems it creates.
tschus
pyotr
Wayne
May 26, 2013, 9:22:30 AM5/26/13
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#"Phil" wrote in message news:knlv8n$dd5$1...@news.albasani.net...
#"California Gun Law Enforces Microstamping Of Semi-Automatic Handgun
#Info Onto Bullets" - not brass.
The headline you quoted is apparently from the unwashed press where
"bullet"=cartridge.
David E. Powell
May 28, 2013, 5:54:34 AM5/28/13
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On Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:42:59 PM UTC-4, Martin Eastburn wrote:
# That is a good point.
#
#
#
# How about all of the guns without the imprint. Seems like
#
# only legal guns will have them and they would be certified ok.
#
# Only those that go bad or get their guns stolen would show up.
#
#
#
# It will take many years to replace all of the pistols with the new kind.
#
# What a poor concept bill. Just cost more.
That seems to be the plane lately, witness ammo and gun costs rising and shortages.
While we run deficits the Gov't buys all kinds of ammo DHS doesn't need and stores it away, this sure ties up the ammo makers. Plus restrict imports and surplus...
# That is a good point.
#
#
#
# How about all of the guns without the imprint. Seems like
#
# only legal guns will have them and they would be certified ok.
#
# Only those that go bad or get their guns stolen would show up.
#
#
#
# It will take many years to replace all of the pistols with the new kind.
#
# What a poor concept bill. Just cost more.
That seems to be the plane lately, witness ammo and gun costs rising and shortages.
While we run deficits the Gov't buys all kinds of ammo DHS doesn't need and stores it away, this sure ties up the ammo makers. Plus restrict imports and surplus...
Phil
May 31, 2013, 5:38:05 AM5/31/13
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On May 26, 2:22=A0pm, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net> wrote:
# #"Phil" =A0wrote in messagenews:knlv8n$dd5$1...@news.albasani.net...
#
# #"California Gun Law Enforces Microstamping Of Semi-Automatic Handgun
# #Info Onto Bullets" - not brass.
#
# The headline you quoted is apparently from the unwashed press where
# "bullet"=3Dcartridge.
Agreed about the press confusion.
Would seem a bit pointless imprinting anything on the cartridge?
All that could prove is that the cartridge was fired from said device.
Doesn't give you any more information about where the projectile goes
beyond current ballistics.
Phil.
# #"Phil" =A0wrote in messagenews:knlv8n$dd5$1...@news.albasani.net...
#
# #"California Gun Law Enforces Microstamping Of Semi-Automatic Handgun
# #Info Onto Bullets" - not brass.
#
# The headline you quoted is apparently from the unwashed press where
# "bullet"=3Dcartridge.
Agreed about the press confusion.
Would seem a bit pointless imprinting anything on the cartridge?
All that could prove is that the cartridge was fired from said device.
Doesn't give you any more information about where the projectile goes
beyond current ballistics.
Phil.
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