Which Scope for .22LR Rifle to Shoot At 50-yd to 100-yd?
jayk...@hotmail.com
find a scope for it.
What I will use the scope for:
- For target shooting only, not for hunting nor
for plinking.
- For "serious recreational target shooting",
not for "professional target shooting".
- For shooting at target at 50-yd (minimum) to
100-yd (maximum), and anywhere in between.
Definitely not less than 50-yd and not more
than 100-yd.
What I have learned so far about scope are:
- I expect to use 2X or 3X for targeting at 50-yd,
and 6X for targeting at 100-yd. This means I
should get a variable power scope that is either
3-9X or 2-7X.
- Because I will shoot in a shooting range in day
time and I will not use it for hunting, I believe
I don't need a scope that has very good optic.
And I don't something that is very bright either.
I really doubt that I need something that has
"edge to edge visual clearness". All I need is
a scope that is very sharp and clear in the
center. This also means that I don't need a
scope that has a huge objective len (like those
big 44mm or 50mm lens).
- Because I will be shooting this rifle every time
when I go to the shooting range, I need it to be
very reliable. I don't want something whose
crosshair will rotate after each recoil. I doubt
a .22LR will generate that much recoil to de-mount
the crosshair; nevertheless, I want to stay away
from anything that is so bad.
What I still don't know are:
- Do I really need "Adjustable Objective" (AO)? I am
under the impression that adjustable objective is
only useful for shooting at very close range with
very high magnification. If I simply get a scope
that is already set to be parallax-free at 50-yd
from the manufacturer, I will take care of the
50-yd side. I am just not sure if such a scope will
be good enough for shooting at 100-yd target.
Am I going to encounter parallax problem when I
shoot at 100-yd target? I hope not... If I can get
by without AO, I will have a much wider selection
of scopes. But I am willing to learn the truth.
- What's the difference between 1/4 MOA and 1/8 MOA?
Is 1/4 MOA good enough?
- Any specific model that someone can recommend for
my intended use?
Thanks in advance for any info about this issue.
Jay Chan
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Eb
at 100 yds. Zero at 100 yds, you we be 2" high at 50 yds will standard
ammo.
And the wind noticably blows them around.
Here is a scope I recently purchased for a .22
http://www.airgunexpress.com/Scopes-Optics/bsa_optics/bsa2-7x32scope209-06-2732.htm
I can't justify spending more for a .22 scope, but we use ours for
hunting and died is died. Regardless of group size.
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:11:28 +0000 (UTC), jayk...@hotmail.com wrote:
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and just sticking with that. I don't think between 50 and 100yds that
you'll need the variable maginfication. Plus, fixed scopes are cheaper
so you can spend a bit more getting a higher-quality scope than you
would in a variable. If it were me, I'd think 6X. Brand-wise,
everybody will have a different opinion. I'm a Leupold snob...
Dennis Moore
http://www.riflescopes.com/products/720039/bushnell_3-9x32_sportsman_air_gun_scope.htm
Optics won't be brightest or clearest, but usable. An air gun scope is a
good deal tougher
as springer airguns shake scopes in weird ways. You definitely need the AO
for best use on targets.
Now I would think a 4-12x is better for target use. So I would spring for
this one.
http://www.riflescopes.com/products/714124/bushnell_4-12x40_banner_dusk_dawn_air_gun_scope.htm
I also think you will find yourself always using the highest magnification
at both
50 and 100 yards once you have an AO. You could use more than 12x. But
unless you
get into better optical quality(meaning higher priced) you find few scopes
with really
high magnification that are clear enough to be fully useful.
Dennis
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For a 'starter` dedicated target 22 you should look into the
'Simmons` line of scopes. - Inexpensive, and 'good enough
for the job.( Hint - the 'airgun` scopes will fit 22s.).
I would suggest a 3-12x 40mm variable with adjustible objective.
You might think that 6x is enough as you start, but as your hold
improves you will find that 6x offhand and 12x prone or from a rest
are more your speed.
When you graduate beyond that, you;ll probably want to upgrade
the whole outfit anyway.
MadDog
"No generality is true...not even this one." - (Bertrand Russell?)
Bill VH
Eb wrote:
# A .22LR has a lot of drop. If you zero for 50 yds you will be 2" low
# at 100 yds. Zero at 100 yds, you we be 2" high at 50 yds will standard
# ammo. And the wind noticably blows them around.
#
Carefull there ! With a 50 yd. zero a standard LR round( about 1070fps)
will be more like 7" low at 100 yds. And a CCI MiniMag (about 1250fps)
will drop 5" between 50 and 100. Past 100 yds both of them *really*
begin
to drop.
Bill VH
Bill VH
jayk...@hotmail.com wrote:
# I will get a .22LR rifle within the next couple months. I would like to
# find a scope for it.
#
#
# What I have learned so far about scope are:
# I expect to use 2X or 3X for targeting at 50-yd,
# and 6X for targeting at 100-yd. >
#
If you're going to limit yourself like that, get a 6X
rimfire scope with the objective focused at 50 yds.
#
# What I still don't know are:
# - Do I really need "Adjustable Objective" (AO)? I am
# under the impression that adjustable objective is
# only useful for shooting at very close range with
# very high magnification.
#
You probably won't be able to get an AO scope of less than
10X. The adjustable objective is to focus your *TARGET*
clearly. Usually for between 20 and 400 yds.
#
# If I simply get a scope
# that is already set to be parallax-free at 50-yd
# from the manufacturer, I will take care of the
# 50-yd side. I am just not sure if such a scope will
# be good enough for shooting at 100-yd target.
# Am I going to encounter parallax problem when I
# shoot at 100-yd target?
#
Parallax is taken care of at the ocular (eyepiece) end of
the scope. That's where you focus the crosshair to maximim
sharpness and so it will not appear to move back and forth
if your eye is not exactly centered on the scope. Set it once,
lock it down , and forget it.
# - What's the difference between 1/4 MOA and 1/8 MOA?
# Is 1/4 MOA good enough?
# Jay Chan
#
MOA means "minute of angle". Shooter's rule of thumb means
that one MOA change on the sight will move the strike of the
bullet one inch on the target at 100 yds range. 1/4 MOA then
would make a 1/4" change. At 50 yds the 1/4MOA would mean a 1/8"
change. Or less than the diameter of your .22 cal. bullet.
Since MOA is an angle, that means it gets wider and wider as the
distance from the gun increases. For a 1000 Yd. shooter a MOA
is 10 inches. For him 1/8 MOA clicks can get important.
Bill VH
Dennis Moore
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# You probably won't be able to get an AO scope of less than
# 10X. The adjustable objective is to focus your *TARGET*
# clearly. Usually for between 20 and 400 yds.
# Parallax is taken care of at the ocular (eyepiece) end of
# the scope. That's where you focus the crosshair to maximim
# sharpness and so it will not appear to move back and forth
# if your eye is not exactly centered on the scope. Set it once,
# lock it down , and forget it.
#
#> Bill VH
#
Respectfully Bill VH, a couple of corrections.
While they AO does effect target focus, it is the main
manner in which parallax is corrected. Parallax is not
corrected at the eyepiece. The focus ring on the eyepiece
has one purpose: to focus the cross hairs.
Dennis
Eb
The .22 ballistic chart on remington's website is misleading.
It labelled as such .3" at 25, 0.0" at 50, -1.8" at 100, so they could
very well be using 25, 50, and 100 feet increments instead of yards.
So if they drop 1.8" in 100 feet, 7+" at 300 feet would be likely.
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:12:20 +0000 (UTC), "Bill VH"
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Eb
LR ammo 1050 fps to 1250 fps when zeroed at 50 yards have a 1.8" to
2.4" drop at 100 yards, depend on ammo selected.
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:12:20 +0000 (UTC), "Bill VH"
<WVho...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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Bill Smith
I'm what you'd call a serious plinker and do all my small bore
shooting at either 50 or 100 yards. I use a Weaver T-36. It's a fixed
36 power scope with a 40mm adjustable objective, with 1/8" MOA windage
and elevation adjustments. A lot of serious benchrest competitors
use them. I can clearly see a 1/16" dot at 100 yards, and I don't need
a spotting scope. If all you intend to do is target shoot you might as
well get a scope that will allow you to see something. They keep a
good resale value and can be had for $350 to $400, new.
Bill Smith
jayk...@hotmail.com
the selection of scope for shooting at 50-yd to 100-yd has a lot to do
with what I expect myself to be able to do:
- If I expect to be getting very good with target shooting,
and if I am expecting a lot from my target shooting,
I should get one with higher magnificantion level, like
3-12X. Because of the high magnificantion, I will need
adjustable objective (AO) instead of relying on a scope
that the manufacturer has set at parallax-free at 50-yd.
But 4-12X with AO is expensive if I get it from a very
good brand such as the one from Leupold or Nikon. This
means I will have to get a "lesser" brand.
- If I don't expect too much from my target shooting,
I should get one that is either fixed power or low
magnification, and I don't need adjustable objective.
In this case, I will be able to afford a scope from a
good brand, like Leupold or Nikon. I will be sure that
the scope is reliable, and the optics is clear and
sharp for my "not so young" eyes.
Well, I expect myself to be good at target shooting (no proof, just my
expectation). This means I should get one like a 3-12X variable power
with adjustable objective. This also means that I will not be able to
afford a Leupold or a Nikon. Oh well...
Thanks for all the replies that I have received.
jayk...@hotmail.com
# # and 6X for targeting at 100-yd. >
# #
#
# If you're going to limit yourself like that, get a 6X
I see. Seem like I need to re-examine my understanding on my need of
magnification power.
# MOA means "minute of angle". Shooter's rule of thumb means
# that one MOA change on the sight will move the strike of the
# bullet one inch on the target at 100 yds range. 1/4 MOA then
# would make a 1/4" change. At 50 yds the 1/4MOA would mean a 1/8"
# change. Or less than the diameter of your .22 cal. bullet.
#
# Since MOA is an angle, that means it gets wider and wider as the
# distance from the gun increases. For a 1000 Yd. shooter a MOA
# is 10 inches. For him 1/8 MOA clicks can get important.
Great! This means 1/4 MOA is more than enough for me because I intend
to use it to shoot not over 100-yd. This means I have one fewer
variable to worry about.
Jay Chan
Bill VH
Eb wrote:
# Correction:
#
# The .22 ballistic chart on remington's website is misleading.
#
# It labelled as such .3" at 25, 0.0" at 50, -1.8" at 100, so they could
# very well be using 25, 50, and 100 feet increments instead of yards.
#
# So if they drop 1.8" in 100 feet, 7+" at 300 feet would be likely.
#
Remington needs to clarify their chart a bit I guess. I got my
information
from shooting CCI MiniMags and Rem.Eley Club Extra. Both of which my
rifle will group inside a half inch circle at 50 yds. Shooting at one
of
our local range targets with a red/orange 6" bullseye and a white 2"
center. The whole target has a light 1" grid. With a good 50 yd zero,
the CCIc will make between 1 and 1.5 in. group centered 5" low. And the
standard velocity match ammo will group slightly larger and 7" low.
I think they call that "emperical proof".
Bill VH
Bill VH
Eb wrote:
# Correction:
#
# The .22 ballistic chart on remington's website is misleading.
#
# It labelled as such .3" at 25, 0.0" at 50, -1.8" at 100, so they could
# very well be using 25, 50, and 100 feet increments instead of yards.
#
# So if they drop 1.8" in 100 feet, 7+" at 300 feet would be likely.
#
Remington needs to clarify their chart a bit I guess. I got my
information
from shooting CCI MiniMags and Rem.Eley Club Extra. Both of which my
rifle will group inside a half inch circle at 50 yds. Shooting at one
of
our local range targets with a red/orange 6" bullseye and a white 2"
center. The whole target has a light 1" grid. With a good 50 yd zero,
the CCIc will make between 1 and 1.5 in. group centered 5" low. And the
standard velocity match ammo will group slightly larger and 7" low.
I think they call that "emperical proof".
Bill VH
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Warren Riekenberg
100 yards - start with 26 - 1/4 minute clicks. then adjust further. It
works.
Warren Riekenberg
jayk...@hotmail.com
# shooting at either 50 or 100 yards. I use a Weaver T-36. It's a fixed
# 36 power scope with a 40mm adjustable objective, with 1/8" MOA windage
# and elevation adjustments. A lot of serious benchrest competitors use
# them. I can clearly see a 1/16" dot at 100 yards,...
WOW, this seems to be a lot of magnification than I thought I will
need. But if I have to choose between a 3-12X and a 4-20X, I "may" end
up getting a 4-20X because of what you said here.
And how do you use it to shoot at a target at 50-yd with 36X power?
Does all you see is the black area of the target?
# ... and I don't need a spotting scope.
This is good. I want to do away with a spotting scope to have one fewer
item to carry around, and I want to see where I shoot right at the
moment when I pull the trigger. OK... I need more magnification...
# If all you intend to do is target shoot you might as well
# get a scope that will allow you to see something. They keep a
# good resale value and can be had for $350 to $400, new.
This is over my budget. In fact, this scope will cost more than the
rifle that I will put the scope on (most likely a Savage Mark-II-BV). I
am only thinking of spending something like $120 to $180. Oh well... I
will pass on this one. Thanks anyway.
Jay Chan
Dennis Moore
range. These are very good scopes for your purposes and price.
Another possibility is a Swift Premier in a 4-12x or 6-18x scope. Not quite
the equal of top Nikon or Leupold scopes. But good, well made scopes.
Dennis
jayk...@hotmail.com
# range. These are very good scopes for your purposes and price.
The Bushnell Legend 4-12X doesn't have adjustable objective. I am
thinking along the line of their Trophy 4-12X AO scope; it is right at
the upper limit of my price range, and it costs almost as much as the
Savage Mark-II-BV .22LR rifle that I am going to put the scope on. What
do you think about their Trophy scopes? How's about their Banner scope
4-12X AO scope that is half the price of the Trophy scope?
# Another possibility is a Swift Premier in a 4-12x or 6-18x scope. Not quite
# the equal of top Nikon or Leupold scopes. But good, well made scopes.
I don't know anything about this scope. My Cabela's catalog doesn't
have this item. I will have to look elsewhere to see what it is.
Thanks.
Jay Chan