guns sales on internet without background check

[Frank]

I'm just wondering how serious a problem this really is or if it even is
a problem. I would not know myself as I have always gone through a gun
shop. Statistics spouted by the anti's are always suspect.

[MODERATOR: There is no place more stupid to try to set up an
off-paper firearm transaction than the internet, unless it is
a Maryland gun show (such as they are any more) where every
third attendee is a plain-clothes trooper looking for some
bonehead to make his day. Officials should be pleased to use
the net as a Miscreant Magnet, where they can pick low-hanging
fruit for cheap, usually while eating donuts in front of a
monitor. I guess they want miscreants going to places that
are not as trivial and complete with respect to surveillance.]


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[rfr...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:25:25 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
# I'm just wondering how serious a problem this really is or if it even is
# a problem. I would not know myself as I have always gone through a gun
# shop. Statistics spouted by the anti's are always suspect.
#
# [MODERATOR: There is no place more stupid to try to set up an
# off-paper firearm transaction than the internet, unless it is
# a Maryland gun show (such as they are any more) where every
# third attendee is a plain-clothes trooper looking for some
# bonehead to make his day. Officials should be pleased to use
# the net as a Miscreant Magnet, where they can pick low-hanging
# fruit for cheap, usually while eating donuts in front of a
# monitor. I guess they want miscreants going to places that
# are not as trivial and complete with respect to surveillance.]

I've wondered if buying off the Internet meant places like Gun Broker, Gun Auction, etc. I don't know their procedures for clearing customers, because I've never bought there.

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Frank <frankdo...@comcast.net> writes:

# I'm just wondering how serious a problem this really is or if it even is
# a problem. I would not know myself as I have always gone through a gun
# shop. Statistics spouted by the anti's are always suspect.
#
# [MODERATOR: There is no place more stupid to try to set up an
# off-paper firearm transaction than the internet, unless it is
# a Maryland gun show (such as they are any more) where every
# third attendee is a plain-clothes trooper looking for some
# bonehead to make his day. Officials should be pleased to use
# the net as a Miscreant Magnet, where they can pick low-hanging
# fruit for cheap, usually while eating donuts in front of a
# monitor. I guess they want miscreants going to places that
# are not as trivial and complete with respect to surveillance.]

It's complete smoke. If the transfer crosses state lines, it has to go
through an FFL already (and IIRC if any shipping is involved it has to
even within a state, doesn't it?).

[Frank]

On 4/11/2013 1:07 PM, rfr...@gmail.com wrote:
# On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:25:25 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
# # I'm just wondering how serious a problem this really is or if it even is
# # a problem. I would not know myself as I have always gone through a gun
# # shop. Statistics spouted by the anti's are always suspect.

# #
# # [MODERATOR: There is no place more stupid to try to set up an

# # off-paper firearm transaction than the internet, unless it is
# # a Maryland gun show (such as they are any more) where every
# # third attendee is a plain-clothes trooper looking for some
# # bonehead to make his day. Officials should be pleased to use
# # the net as a Miscreant Magnet, where they can pick low-hanging
# # fruit for cheap, usually while eating donuts in front of a
# # monitor. I guess they want miscreants going to places that
# # are not as trivial and complete with respect to surveillance.]
#
# I've wondered if buying off the Internet meant places like Gun Broker, Gun Auction, etc. I don't know their procedures for clearing customers, because I've never bought there.

That's in part why I'm asking. One of my sons is thinking of getting
something from one of these on-line sources but he said it would go to a
ffl who would do the background check. I suspect these so called no
background check on internet sales statistics are not true but I just
don't know.

[IGot2P]

On 4/11/2013 12:07 PM, rfr...@gmail.com wrote:
# On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:25:25 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
# # I'm just wondering how serious a problem this really is or if it even is
# # a problem. I would not know myself as I have always gone through a gun
# # shop. Statistics spouted by the anti's are always suspect.

# #
# # [MODERATOR: There is no place more stupid to try to set up an

# # off-paper firearm transaction than the internet, unless it is
# # a Maryland gun show (such as they are any more) where every
# # third attendee is a plain-clothes trooper looking for some
# # bonehead to make his day. Officials should be pleased to use
# # the net as a Miscreant Magnet, where they can pick low-hanging
# # fruit for cheap, usually while eating donuts in front of a
# # monitor. I guess they want miscreants going to places that
# # are not as trivial and complete with respect to surveillance.]
#
# I've wondered if buying off the Internet meant places like Gun Broker, Gun Auction, etc.
# I don't know their procedures for clearing customers, because I've never bought there.

The gun is shipped to an FFL holder and he/she does the clearing.

Don

[Argent]

Unless you live in the same state and can do a face to face legally in
that state, you pretty much HAVE to go through an FFL. Unless you are
a criminal already. Because the courts have ruled it would be self
incrimination.

[pjlewis]

Hi Frank
I have purchased A fire arm on the internet.
You Have the gun sent to a federal licensed gun
dealer & pay the transfer fee ( about 25 bucks)
and the gun is registered & yours. The gun foes
make it out to be a big deal & it is not. I forgot You
have to pay shipping & handling.
Paul J.

[Wayne]

On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:25:25 +0000 (UTC), Frank
<frankdo...@comcast.net> wrote:
# I'm just wondering how serious a problem this really is or if it
even is
# a problem. I would not know myself as I have always gone through a
gun
# shop. Statistics spouted by the anti's are always suspect.

Some states require FFL participation in all sales. Here in CA all
legal sales are through a FFL, and there are restrictions on what
handguns can be bought from out of state. .We don't have gun
registration, but <wink,wink> the state keeps a record of sales.

Other states without those requirements seem to have fewer problems.

[SaPeIsMa]

<rfr...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:kk6qka$dqt$1...@news.albasani.net...
#
# I've wondered if buying off the Internet meant places like
# Gun Broker, Gun Auction, etc.
# I don't know their procedures for clearing customers,
# because I've never bought there.
#

Procedure is simple
You find a local FFL who will accept delivery for you and do the transfer
(Gunbroker.com has a list on their website by State)
Preferably at a reasonable cost.

I have one who charges $10.
But I started paying him $20 a few years back. because he's worth it.
In return he has pointed me to a couple of really good deals that he came up
with and wanted to share.

Procedure goes
1) You bid on the guns
2) If you win, you send a copy of your FFL's license with your payment
3) Gun gets shipped to FFL.
4) You go to your FFL to inspect gun
5) If gun as described, you fill out 4473 and go through the process.

If gun does NOT meet criteria, then it goes back to seller and you take some
financial loss.
Although I have found that all the sellers I have dealt with are on the
up-and-up..

[R. LaCasse]

I've bought there for years, especially "Numrich", but in the last 2
years, the Canadian border/brokers have instilled a $200.00 limit per order,
some places, including Canadian FFLs, have just given up on imports, so we
get a lot of Jap crap in the stores as far as shelf shopping goes.

Bob

[Truebrit]

#"R. LaCasse" <Vorg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
# I've bought there for years, especially "Numrich", but in the last 2
# years, the Canadian border/brokers have instilled a $200.00 limit per
# order,
# some places, including Canadian FFLs, have just given up on imports, so we
# get a lot of Jap crap in the stores as far as shelf shopping goes.
#

Don't you mean, Chinese junk? Most Japanese products these days are of good
quality.
Truebrit.

[Frank]

On 4/11/2013 9:50 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
# Frank <frankdo...@comcast.net> writes:
#
# # I'm just wondering how serious a problem this really is or if it even is
# # a problem. I would not know myself as I have always gone through a gun
# # shop. Statistics spouted by the anti's are always suspect.

# #
# # [MODERATOR: There is no place more stupid to try to set up an

# # off-paper firearm transaction than the internet, unless it is
# # a Maryland gun show (such as they are any more) where every
# # third attendee is a plain-clothes trooper looking for some
# # bonehead to make his day. Officials should be pleased to use
# # the net as a Miscreant Magnet, where they can pick low-hanging
# # fruit for cheap, usually while eating donuts in front of a
# # monitor. I guess they want miscreants going to places that
# # are not as trivial and complete with respect to surveillance.]
#
# It's complete smoke. If the transfer crosses state lines, it has to go
# through an FFL already (and IIRC if any shipping is involved it has to
# even within a state, doesn't it?).
#

From comments in thread, like the gun show loophole being actually a
pinhole, I gather the same significance about internet sales.

If I needed a little education on this, can you imagine how ignorant the
general public is?

We've got an administration that flat out lies about guns to advance
their political agenda. How do we get the truth out when the main line
media supports them?

[Murff]

On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:22:53 +0000, Truebrit wrote:

# Don't you mean, Chinese junk? Most Japanese products these days are of

# good quality.
# Truebrit.

Seconded. I've a Japanese-made Howa 1500 in .30-06 with a Japanese-
manufacture Nikko Stirling sight on it. It is an excellent, reliable
rifle, shoots as near to MOA as field conditions allow, and has put
enough venison on the table (and given me enough enjoyment using it to
hunt) to have paid for itself more than once.

Then again, my Leupold rangefinder says "made in China" and that works
well enough. Well enough this morning to give me range to a Canada Goose
that shortly afterwards succumbed more-or-less instantly to a
subsonic .22LR in the base of the neck. So whilst I've come across a fair
amount of low-grade crap from China, it isn't all bad.

--
Murff...

[Frank]

I bought a Leupold rangefinder a couple of months ago and they are made
in China, but I had to send it to Leupold for replacement as there was a
large speck of dirt in the internal optics. This was the second time I
had trouble with a Chinese scope and had to get a replacement.
The first was several years ago when I needed to replace a shotgun scope
and the cheap Chinese scope sighted in OK but the cross-hairs started to
rotate.

Getting off topic, but reminds me of one son visiting Montreal recently
and buying my wife a coffee cup that was not specifying Montreal Canada
but the Montreal region of France. It was made in China ;)

[Truebrit]

#"Frank" <frankdo...@comcast.net> wrote:
#I bought a Leupold rangefinder a couple of months ago and they are made
# in China, but I had to send it to Leupold for replacement as there was a
# large speck of dirt in the internal optics. This was the second time I
# had trouble with a Chinese scope and had to get a replacement.
# The first was several years ago when I needed to replace a shotgun scope
# and the cheap Chinese scope sighted in OK but the cross-hairs started to
# rotate.
#
# Getting off topic, but reminds me of one son visiting Montreal recently
# and buying my wife a coffee cup that was not specifying Montreal Canada
# but the Montreal region of France. It was made in China ;)
#

Practically every item sold in Canada these days is made in China. Even the
little Mountie souveneir dolls sold in the tourist traps.
It is quite difficult to find things made in Canada these days.
Truebrit.

[clarkm...@gmail.com]

I had a Remington rolling block Navy pistol shipped to my door with no back ground check.

Guns made before 1898 and muzzle loaders can be shipped like ammo, with no paper trail.

That pistol cost so much, you would have to rob a bank BEFORE you bought it:)

[hamhock1958]

Federal law requires an FFL receive the firearm in interstate shipments. Th
e ATF does not regulate intrastate shipments via common carrier. The USPS r
equires handguns be shipped by an FFL.=20

Intrastate shipment of firearms, other than handguns shipped USPS, are regu
lated by state law.

Here in TX, I can ship a firearm to another resident of TX via commercial c
arrier (FedEx, UPS etc) without services of an FFL. I can ship a firearm (o
ther than handgun) to another resident without services of an FFL. I cannot
ship a handgun via USPS to anyone.

Some states require shipment from FFL as well.

Check your local laws. Google is your friend.

[David R. Birch]

On 4/14/2013 5:57 AM, clarkm...@gmail.com wrote:
# I had a Remington rolling block Navy pistol shipped to my door with no back ground check.
#
# Guns made before 1898 and muzzle loaders can be shipped like ammo, with no paper trail.
#
# That pistol cost so much, you would have to rob a bank BEFORE you bought it:)

Actually, guns made before ->1/1/1899<- are antiques, can be shipped
like ammo and w/o the need of an FFL being involved. I once received an
1894 Swede carbine made in 1895 shipped to me.

David

[Peter Franks]

On 4/10/2013 4:25 PM, Frank wrote:
# I'm just wondering how serious a problem this really is or if it even is
# a problem. I would not know myself as I have always gone through a gun
# shop. Statistics spouted by the anti's are always suspect.

How many guns did Adam Lanza get from a gun show or through intrastate
internet sales?

[Stanley Schaefer]

On Apr 10, 5:25=A0pm, Frank <frankdotlogu...@comcast.net> wrote:
# I'm just wondering how serious a problem this really is or if it even is
# a problem. =A0I would not know myself as I have always gone through a gun
# shop. =A0 Statistics spouted by the anti's are always suspect.
#
Yes, the media have not taken it on themselves to get informed, they
make it sound like an Amazon transaction, fill up your cart with
assault rifles and high-cap mags, check out and the stuff is on your
doorstep next day. The ONLY way this could happen is if you're in the
same state with the seller. Legal interstate retail firearms
transactions HAVE to go through an FFL, who has to do the Brady. None
of their "universal background checks", no matter what they are, are
going to catch criminals who are swapping stolen guns for drugs/cash/
swag in some parking lot somewhere. And those meets AREN'T going to
be set up through Facebook, at least if the participants aren't
totally wasted.

Latest addtition to the bill collection is one for increased
punishment for "gun trafficking", that term to be yet defined.

In, CO, there have been undercover types running around the gun show
parking lots looking to set up a buy. Our "gun show loophole" has
been plugged, nothing gets transferred without a state background
check, which checks 5 other databases besides the FBI's. So any
transaction anywhere on the premises without a background check is
illegal, agreeing to meet somewhere else to do the exchange of cash
for gun while on the grounds is illegal. Don't know how many folks
have been caught by this, nothing in the paper about it.

Stan

[Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley]

On Monday, April 15, 2013 10:53:25 AM UTC-6, Stanley Schaefer wrote:
# Legal interstate retail firearms
# transactions HAVE to go through an FFL

Exception - Any U.S. citizen who is legally not prohibited from owning a firearm
may purchase a military surplus rifle from the CMP, provided they are
a member of a CMP affiliated club. The CMP operates through a network of affiliated
shooting clubs and state associations that covers every state in the U.S.

Such rifles can be shipped directly to the purchaser, unless there is a restriction
at the local or state level. No FFL needed.

See
http://thecmp.org/sales.htm

[Ralph Mowery]

There seems to be exceptions to all the rules. Don't you have to go through
all kinds of paperwork and meybe even be finger printed to get one of the
CMP guns ?

[Tom]

On 04/15/2013 04:55 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
# There seems to be exceptions to all the rules. Don't you have to go through
# all kinds of paperwork and meybe even be finger printed to get one of the
# CMP guns ?
#

Ralph,

Check the requirements here:

http://www.thecmp.org/Sales/formsindex.htm

I don't remember finger prints being needed but that could depend upon
which State you are in.

My wife and I have collected 11 rifles/carbines from them over the years.
They have all been from good to very nice "Service Grade", no clinkers.
And yes, we still have all of them. They will be passed along to the
grand kids, some sooner than later.

Kind Regards,

Tom

[R.L. Horn]

On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 21:55:14 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Mowery
<rmower...@earthlink.net> wrote:

# Don't you have to go through all kinds of paperwork and meybe even be
# finger printed to get one of the CMP guns ?

Before NICS (and when it was still the DCM), you had to submit a
fingerprint card and a minimally completed (identity information) FBI
questionnaire. These days, it's pretty much the same as for commercial
sales, except that you must still provide proof of membership in a
CMP-affiliated club and proof of "marksmanship activity" (which is a
whole lot easier than it used to be).

[Don Bruder]

In article <kkht02$cpk$1...@news.albasani.net>,
"Ralph Mowery" <rmower...@earthlink.net> wrote:

# There seems to be exceptions to all the rules. Don't you have to go through
# all kinds of paperwork and meybe even be finger printed to get one of the
# CMP guns ?

Unless I've misunderstood something (entirely possible) the fact that
you're "a member of a CMP affiliated club" (and therefore, eligible to
purchase a CMP rifle through the affiliate program) means that you've
already been run through the background check as part of getting your
membership card. Sort of a "pre-approval", if you will. Similar, at
least in concept, to Washington state's handy "You're a CPL holder? No
10 day waiting period before you can take your nice new handgun home"
feature. (For not-Washington folks, CPL = Concealed Pistol License, the
getting of which, like in most states, includes being fingerprinted and
background checked)

[SaPeIsMa]

"Truebrit" <sly_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kkbsj6$rlq$1...@news.albasani.net...
# #"Frank" <frankdo...@comcast.net> wrote:
#

# # Getting off topic, but reminds me of one son visiting Montreal recently

# # and buying my wife a coffee cup that was not specifying Montreal Canada
# # but the Montreal region of France. It was made in China ;)
# #
#

# Practically every item sold in Canada these days is made in China. Even
the

# little Mountie souveneir dolls sold in the tourist traps.
# It is quite difficult to find things made in Canada these days.
# Truebrit.
#

Maple syrup ??
Beaver tails ?
Seal flippers
Screech ?
Ookpik ?

[Ralph Mowery]

"Tom" <t...@hctc.net> wrote in message news:kkjrr5$v2u$1...@news.albasani.net...
#
# Ralph,
#
# Check the requirements here:
#
# http://www.thecmp.org/Sales/formsindex.htm
#
# I don't remember finger prints being needed but that could depend upon
# which State you are in.
#
# My wife and I have collected 11 rifles/carbines from them over the years.
# They have all been from good to very nice "Service Grade", no clinkers.
# And yes, we still have all of them. They will be passed along to the
# grand kids, some sooner than later.
#

I could be wrong about the fingerprint. I am a member of a club that has
the matches. I remember checking into the sales years ago and decided it is
too much trouble for me. That was before the state I live had the CCW
licenses, so things may have changed a lot. To get a CCW license where I
live is not too bad, but they do take your finger prints for that.

When I first heard about the rifles, I along with some other shooters where
I work thought they would be inexpensive, but they were not that much less
if any than you could pick them up at gun shows.

I don't care about the older military rifles. I do have a Garand that I
bought years ago for my dad for a Christmas present at a gun show. He never
shot it, but he liked to talk about it as he was in WW2. When he passed, I
got it back. I have had it aobu 10 years but never shot it either. It just
does not do anything for me.

[Bob Holtzman]

On 2013-04-16, Don Bruder <D...@sonic.net> wrote:
# In article <kkht02$cpk$1...@news.albasani.net>,

# "Ralph Mowery" <rmower...@earthlink.net> wrote:
#

# # There seems to be exceptions to all the rules. Don't you have to go
# # through
# # all kinds of paperwork and meybe even be finger printed to get one of the
# # CMP guns ?
#
# Unless I've misunderstood something (entirely possible) the fact that
# you're "a member of a CMP affiliated club" (and therefore, eligible to
# purchase a CMP rifle through the affiliate program) means that you've
# already been run through the background check as part of getting your
# membership card.

Unless things have changed drastically, I know of no background check
done when joining a CMP affiliated club, only a signature on the
application stating you aren't one of any number of kinds of
undesireables.

--
Bob Holtzman

[Truebrit]

Granted some food and drink is still Canadian made but even then nearly all
the frozen fish that is available in the supermarkets is overwhelmingly
labelled, Product of China. Something I will not buy. It is farmed fish and
God only knows what they feed it on.
Truebrit.

[Ralph Mowery]

"Bob Holtzman" <hol...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:kkkk1k$j7k$1...@news.albasani.net...

#
# Unless things have changed drastically, I know of no background check
# done when joining a CMP affiliated club, only a signature on the
# application stating you aren't one of any number of kinds of
# undesireables.
#
#
Seems that things have changed from about 15 or 20 years ago when the rifle
sales first started.

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 22:40:51 +0000 (UTC), "Ralph Mowery"
<rmower...@earthlink.net> wrote:

#

# I don't care about the older military rifles. I do have a Garand that I
#bought years ago for my dad for a Christmas present at a gun show. He never
#shot it, but he liked to talk about it as he was in WW2. When he passed, I
#got it back. I have had it aobu 10 years but never shot it either. It just
#does not do anything for me.

Id be more than happy to swap you out of it. I sold the last Garand
about 20 yrs ago to pay for medical care for my son when they removed
one of his kidneys..and Ive been jonesing really bad for another one.

Gunner

[Tom]

On 04/16/2013 05:40 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:

# I could be wrong about the fingerprint. I am a member of a club that has

# the matches. I remember checking into the sales years ago and decided it is
# too much trouble for me. That was before the state I live had the CCW
# licenses, so things may have changed a lot. To get a CCW license where I
# live is not too bad, but they do take your finger prints for that.
#
# When I first heard about the rifles, I along with some other shooters where
# I work thought they would be inexpensive, but they were not that much less
# if any than you could pick them up at gun shows.
#
# I don't care about the older military rifles. I do have a Garand that I
# bought years ago for my dad for a Christmas present at a gun show. He never
# shot it, but he liked to talk about it as he was in WW2. When he passed, I
# got it back. I have had it aobu 10 years but never shot it either. It just
# does not do anything for me.
#
#


Ralph,

Sorry you don't think much of the M1 Rifle. You could get a good deal of money
for it selling it to someone who may really want it. Those in very good condition
can garner around $900. If it is a somewhat rare, all matching rifle, even more.

They were inexpensive until the mid 90's then the prices really took off. Same
with the Carbines. I have a slew of those, mostly to pass on to the grand kids
someday.

I enjoy the old Military rifles and have some very nice shooters in my stack.
The Swede's come to mind, as does the Swiss K-31. Fine instruments.

Kind Regards,

Tom

[Tom]

On 04/16/2013 05:40 PM, Bob Holtzman wrote:

# # "Ralph Mowery" <rmower...@earthlink.net> wrote:
# #
# # # There seems to be exceptions to all the rules. Don't you have to go

# # # through
# # # all kinds of paperwork and meybe even be finger printed to get one of the
# # # CMP guns ?

# #
# # Unless I've misunderstood something (entirely possible) the fact that

# # you're "a member of a CMP affiliated club" (and therefore, eligible to
# # purchase a CMP rifle through the affiliate program) means that you've
# # already been run through the background check as part of getting your
# # membership card.
#
# Unless things have changed drastically, I know of no background check
# done when joining a CMP affiliated club, only a signature on the
# application stating you aren't one of any number of kinds of
# undesireables.
#

Bob,

The CMP now does background (NICS) checks on everyone buying any
firearm from them. They got snagged by the ATF years ago and were
forced to back up and do thousands of them post-sale. Now it is routine
for any firearm purchase.

Kind Regards,

Tom

[Ralph Mowery]

I am sure the M1 is a fine rifle. I used to work with a fellow that builds
them up and shoots in the military matches. He looked at it one day when he
was over here. He said it is an OK rifle to shoot, but nothing real
special. I did not think it was special when I bought it at a gun show. I
just would rather shoot something else. I like to shoot the AR type I
have,and bolt action guns. But I am really a handgun shooter.

I think I payed about $ 300 for this one close to 20 years ago. Also got 5
or 6 of the clips with it with some ammo made in the 70's. I don't recall
when the military switched primers and such, but I am sure that anything
made after 1960 is ok and maybe 1950. Dad did have a couple of clips with
some origional AP ammo in them from ww2 that he never shot.

I think I will keep this one as I may get the urge to try it out someday.

[Bob Holtzman]

On 2013-04-17, Tom <t...@hctc.net> wrote:

# On 04/16/2013 05:40 PM, Bob Holtzman wrote:
# #

# # Unless things have changed drastically, I know of no background check

# # done when joining a CMP affiliated club, only a signature on the
# # application stating you aren't one of any number of kinds of
# # undesireables.
# #
#
# Bob,
#
# The CMP now does background (NICS) checks on everyone buying any
# firearm from them. They got snagged by the ATF years ago and were
# forced to back up and do thousands of them post-sale. Now it is routine
# for any firearm purchase.

Read my post again. I was referring to joining a CMP affiliated club, not
buying a gun.

--
Bob Holtzman

[Tom]

On 04/17/2013 03:33 PM, Bob Holtzman wrote:

# On 2013-04-17, Tom <t...@hctc.net> wrote:
# #
# # Bob,
# #
# # The CMP now does background (NICS) checks on everyone buying any

# # firearm from them. They got snagged by the ATF years ago and were
# # forced to back up and do thousands of them post-sale. Now it is routine
# # for any firearm purchase.
#
# Read my post again. I was referring to joining a CMP affiliated club, not
# buying a gun.
#

Bob,

I read your post and understood what you meant. The point I made was
that even if the Club didn't do the check, the CMP will. If you join a CMP
affiliate to purchase a firearm from the CMP a NICS check will be done.
Does it really matter at what point that occurs in the process?
A bit of context goes a long way.

Kind Regards,

Tom

[Bob Holtzman]

# I read your post and understood what you meant. The point I made was

# that even if the Club didn't do the check, the CMP will. If you join a CMP
# affiliate to purchase a firearm from the CMP a NICS check will be done.
# Does it really matter at what point that occurs in the process?
# A bit of context goes a long way.

I remain unconvinced that the CMP runs a check on club members who make
no attempt to buy a gun from them.

--
Bob Holtzman

[Tom]

On 04/18/2013 04:04 PM, Bob Holtzman wrote:
# # I read your post and understood what you meant. The point I made was
# # that even if the Club didn't do the check, the CMP will. If you join a CMP
# # affiliate to purchase a firearm from the CMP a NICS check will be done.
# # Does it really matter at what point that occurs in the process?
# # A bit of context goes a long way.
#
# I remain unconvinced that the CMP runs a check on club members who make
# no attempt to buy a gun from them.
#

Bob,

"join a CMP affiliate to purchase a firearm from the CMP"

Don't be obstinate.

Kind Regards,

Tom