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Favorite Calibre for 100 Yd. Bench Rest?

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Robert

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Nov 7, 2009, 9:41:33 PM11/7/09
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I'm looking for a new target rifle for 100 yd. bench rest shooting.

I really don't know what calibre to get.

I want to go larger than .223 and smaller than .30 cal.

I don't care about cost. I will be reloading.

I'd be interested to know what some of the favorite calibres are for
this?

Thanks.

Bob


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Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley

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Nov 8, 2009, 8:27:46 AM11/8/09
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On Nov 7, 7:41�pm, Robert <hob...@charter.net> wrote:
# I want to go larger than .223 and smaller than .30 cal.

6mm PPC - I recall that it held the world's record in benchrest
shooting at one time.

http://stevespages.com/jpg/cd6ppc.jpg

Dennis Mickey

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Nov 8, 2009, 8:27:51 AM11/8/09
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My favorites are: .22 BR, .22-250, .220 Swift, 6mm BR, .243 Remington,
6mm/250 Savage (a wildcat cartridge), .250 Savage, .257 Roberts and the
..25-06 Remington. I have these calibers in Remington 40XB Rangemasters,
mostly with the thumbhole stock option.

Omelet

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Nov 8, 2009, 8:27:57 AM11/8/09
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In article <hd5b4t$fgb$1...@news.albasani.net>,
Robert <hob...@charter.net> wrote:

# I'm looking for a new target rifle for 100 yd. bench rest shooting.
#
# I really don't know what calibre to get.
#
# I want to go larger than .223 and smaller than .30 cal.
#
# I don't care about cost. I will be reloading.
#
# I'd be interested to know what some of the favorite calibres are for
# this?
#
# Thanks.
#
# Bob

Why go larger than .223?

..308 seems to be popular too.

JKevorkian

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Nov 8, 2009, 8:28:00 AM11/8/09
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 02:41:33 +0000 (UTC), Robert <hob...@charter.net> wrote:

#I'm looking for a new target rifle for 100 yd. bench rest shooting.
#
#I really don't know what calibre to get.
#
#I want to go larger than .223 and smaller than .30 cal.
#
#I don't care about cost. I will be reloading.
#
#I'd be interested to know what some of the favorite calibres are for
#this?
#
#Thanks.
#
#Bob
#

My varmint rifle, a Remington 700BDL with bull barrel in .22-250 would put all
the bullets in one ragged hole. Using Hornady 52 grain match HPs and I don't
recall the actual charge of IMR-3031, that piece would pop woodchucks out to 500
yards with no problem. (Where I live in NE PA, there's few fields larger than
500 yards on a side).

snakehunter

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Nov 8, 2009, 8:27:58 AM11/8/09
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On Nov 7, 9:41�pm, Robert <hob...@charter.net> wrote:
> ...

6.5x284

Larry Fishel

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Nov 8, 2009, 2:04:03 PM11/8/09
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On Nov 7, 9:41�pm, Robert <hob...@charter.net> wrote:
# I'm looking for a new target rifle for 100 yd. bench rest shooting.

Do you mean formal benchrest competition or just "shooting from a
bench"?

What rifle do you plan to use?

In my opinion, at 100 yards what will make the difference in accuracy
is something like (pulling numbers out of the air):

50% Shooter
40% Rifle
9% Quality of handloads
1% Cartridge design

(It might actually be more like 70% shooter, but you get the idea.)

Unless you're a highly skilled shooter with a fine rifle shooting
formal 100 yard benchrest, the only reason I can see for worrying much
about what cartridge you use is if this is just practice for something
else, in which case the something else would dictate.

Bill Smith

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Nov 8, 2009, 2:04:05 PM11/8/09
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 02:41:33 +0000 (UTC), Robert <hob...@charter.net>
wrote:

#I'm looking for a new target rifle for 100 yd. bench rest shooting.
#
#I really don't know what calibre to get.
#
#I want to go larger than .223 and smaller than .30 cal.
#
#I don't care about cost. I will be reloading.
#
#I'd be interested to know what some of the favorite calibres are for
#this?
#
#Thanks.
#
#Bob

The current favorite for benchrest competition is the 6PPC. Others
that have won group matches recently are 22-100PPC, 30 BR and, believe
it or not, 30-30 Winchester. Score benchrest is dominated by the 30BR.
The 6PPC is very hard on barrels which will go south after as few as
500 rounds, but some will go 2000 rounds before premium accuracy is
lost. The 30 BR, my favorite, will go as many as 8000 rounds.

Before the 6PPC took over the best cartridge was the 222 remington,
it's easy on barrels and Lapua is making brass for it again. Gentner,
BIB, Bart's, Fowler, and cheeks, make superb 52 grain 7 ogive bullets.

Go here and subscribe to" Precision Shooting"

http://www.precisionshooting.com/

Buy and read the" Benchrest Shooting Primer"

Bill Smith

Bill Smith

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Nov 8, 2009, 2:04:06 PM11/8/09
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:27:58 +0000 (UTC), snakehunter
<jumpin...@comcast.net> wrote:

#On Nov 7, 9:41�pm, Robert <hob...@charter.net> wrote:
# > ...
#
#6.5x284

Which is great for 1000 yards, but it won't match the more specialized
short range cartridges for accuracy. Burns barrels like cordwood as
well.

Bill Smith

Bob Holtzman

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Nov 8, 2009, 5:56:11 PM11/8/09
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Meaningless. What does "one ragged hole" mean? What does "all" shots
mean? 3? 5? 10? 20? What range? I've seen "one ragged hole" groups that
measured damned near 1".

Robert

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Nov 8, 2009, 5:56:12 PM11/8/09
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:04:05 +0000 (UTC), Bill Smith
<squa...@comcast.net> wrote:

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Thanks for the info. I'll check out that website.

I sure don't want something that wears out barrels.

Bob

Robert

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Nov 8, 2009, 5:56:14 PM11/8/09
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:04:03 +0000 (UTC), Larry Fishel
<ldfi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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This is just for fun benchrest shooting. Nothing serious.
I don't know what gun I'll be buying as yet.

Thanks for the info.

Bob

Bill Smith

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Nov 8, 2009, 8:14:00 PM11/8/09
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:56:11 +0000 (UTC), Bob Holtzman <hol...@cox.net>
wrote:

#
#Meaningless. What does "one ragged hole" mean? What does "all" shots
#mean? 3? 5? 10? 20? What range? I've seen "one ragged hole" groups that
#measured damned near 1".

It's the one group he carries around in his wallet. A good 22-250 will
group in the 1/2 MOA range until the throat gets ragged, which won't
take long.

Bill Smith

Bob Holtzman

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Nov 9, 2009, 7:49:01 AM11/9/09
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On 2009-11-08, Robert <hob...@charter.net> wrote:
# On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:04:05 +0000 (UTC), Bill Smith
#<squa...@comcast.net> wrote:
#
# > ...
# Thanks for the info. I'll check out that website.
#
# I sure don't want something that wears out barrels.

A 6mm PPC will wear the thoat in 1000-2000 rounds enough to open groups
from the .10 it had been shooting to .20-.30. This is with loads in the
3200-3400 fps range with 68 gr bullets. This is a *hot* load and if you
have a SAAMI chamber your brass won't last long. Realistically, can you
shoot well enough to tell the difference between a gun that shoots 1s and
a gun that shoots 2s? In short, a 6mm PPc won't burn barrels in 500
rounds if you don't use insane loads. If it does, you have a bad barrel
or you're doing something wrong.

I speak from having shot competition centerfire benchrest for 7 or 8
years and from doing lots of brain picking and observing.

--
Bob Holtzman
Key ID: 8D549279
"If you think you're getting free lunch,
check the price of the beer"

Robert J. Schwarer

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Nov 9, 2009, 9:46:19 AM11/9/09
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 02:41:33 +0000 (UTC), Robert <hob...@charter.net>
wrote:

> ...

I've got a Seely Masker tight neck 6PPC switch barrel based on a
Stolle Panda action. I can give this to some interested party for
$1200. comes with both Hart barrels (one only test fired), action
wrench and barrel vise. Also a pile of turned cases. Also several
hundred bullets of different weights. I think all are flat base
bullets. No scope. Spare trigger if I can find it.

Got out of shooting when my wife was diagnosed with ovarian cancer
and never got the itch to get back in.

Gun is in central Florida and would need to be picked up.

If interested email me.

Bob S.

Wayne

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Nov 9, 2009, 6:22:52 PM11/9/09
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"Robert" <hob...@charter.net> wrote in message
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# I'm looking for a new target rifle for 100 yd. bench rest shooting.
#
# I really don't know what calibre to get.
#
# I want to go larger than .223 and smaller than .30 cal.
#
# I don't care about cost. I will be reloading.
#

# I'd be interested to know what some of the favorite calibres are for
# this?
#
# Thanks.
#
# Bob
#
How about 22-250?

Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley

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Nov 9, 2009, 6:22:54 PM11/9/09
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On Nov 9, 5:49�am, Bob Holtzman <hol...@cox.net> wrote:
# A 6mm PPC will wear the thoat in 1000-2000 rounds enough to open groups
# from the .10 it had been shooting to .20-.30. This is with loads in the
# 3200-3400 fps range with 68 gr bullets. This is a *hot* load and if you
# have a SAAMI chamber your brass won't last long.

The OP only plans to shoot at 100 yards, and does plan to reload. High
velocity probably not required. How low a velocity could he go for
while still getting good accuracy?

pyotr filipivich

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Nov 9, 2009, 6:22:57 PM11/9/09
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Which ever one I have.

Bob Holtzman

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Nov 9, 2009, 8:45:02 PM11/9/09
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# How about 22-250?

Limited barrel life.

--
Bob Holtzman
Key ID: 8D549279
"If you think you're getting free lunch,
check the price of the beer"

Bob Holtzman

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Nov 9, 2009, 8:45:06 PM11/9/09
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On 2009-11-09, Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley <cowar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
# On Nov 9, 5:49 am, Bob Holtzman <hol...@cox.net> wrote:
# # A 6mm PPC will wear the thoat in 1000-2000 rounds enough to open groups
# # from the .10 it had been shooting to .20-.30. This is with loads in the
# # 3200-3400 fps range with 68 gr bullets. This is a *hot* load and if you
# # have a SAAMI chamber your brass won't last long.
#
# The OP only plans to shoot at 100 yards, and does plan to reload. High
# velocity probably not required.

Range has little to do with it. As long as the bullet remains supersonic
all the way to the target you're fine.

# How low a velocity could he go for
# while still getting good accuracy?

That depends to a great extent on the twist and bullet length and/or
weight. Reading the book(s) suggested in a previous post, available from
Precision Shooting magazine, will teach the OP more than all the answers
on this news group ever could.


--
Bob Holtzman
Key ID: 8D549279
"If you think you're getting free lunch,
check the price of the beer"

Robert

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Nov 10, 2009, 6:52:19 AM11/10/09
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:22:52 +0000 (UTC), "Wayne"
<mygarb...@verizon.net> wrote:

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It's too small and too hot. I understand 22-250 is a barrel burner.

R.

Wayne

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Nov 10, 2009, 3:06:19 PM11/10/09
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"Bob Holtzman" <hol...@cox.net> wrote in message
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## How about 22-250?
#
# Limited barrel life.
#
Heh heh, but that wasn't one of the OP's "specifications". When shooting my
buddy's Sako 22-250, it is pretty easy to get a 3 shot "mickey mouse" at 100
yards. Personally, I use a 223.

Bob Holtzman

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Nov 10, 2009, 3:06:24 PM11/10/09
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On 2009-11-10, Robert <hob...@charter.net> wrote:
# On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:22:52 +0000 (UTC), "Wayne"

#<mygarb...@verizon.net> wrote:
#
# > ...
# It's too small and too hot. I understand 22-250 is a barrel burner.

Why is it too small?

BTW, your lack of quoting leaves me wondering...are we still talking
about guns? :-)

--
Bob Holtzman
Key ID: 8D549279
"If you think you're getting free lunch,
check the price of the beer"

Robert

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Nov 10, 2009, 9:39:57 PM11/10/09
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:06:24 +0000 (UTC), Bob Holtzman
<hol...@cox.net> wrote:

#On 2009-11-10, Robert <hob...@charter.net> wrote:
## On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:22:52 +0000 (UTC), "Wayne"
##<mygarb...@verizon.net> wrote:
##
## > ...
## It's too small and too hot. I understand 22-250 is a barrel burner.
#
#Why is it too small?
#
#BTW, your lack of quoting leaves me wondering...are we still talking
#about guns? :-)


Original Post:

I'm looking for a new target rifle for 100 yd. bench rest shooting.

I really don't know what calibre to get.

I want to go larger than .223 and smaller than .30 cal.

I don't care about cost. I will be reloading.

I'd be interested to know what some of the favorite calibres are for
this?

Thanks.

Bob

22-250 is too small because I wanted info on calibres larger than
..223.

Bob

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