Target Rifle Question: Two Barrels?
Robert
make a target or varmint rifle that has interchangeable barrels?
I'd like to have one gun (stock and action) and be able to switch
barrels for two different calibres.
Just wondering if that is possible? I thought a gun dealer told me
once that Savage made one, but I can't find any info.
Thanks.
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Bill Smith
wrote:
#Do any of the major gun makers i.e. Win., Rem., Ruger, Savage, etc.
#make a target or varmint rifle that has interchangeable barrels?
#
#I'd like to have one gun (stock and action) and be able to switch
#barrels for two different calibres.
#
#Just wondering if that is possible? I thought a gun dealer told me
#once that Savage made one, but I can't find any info.
#
#Thanks.
All current Savage centerfire rifles have very easy to change barrels.
The headspace is adjustable. All you need is an action vice, barrel
nut wrench and chamber (go and no go) gauges. Bolt heads can also be
changed to accommodate a large number of cartridges. Just decide
whether you need a short (up to .308 Win) or long action.
Many barrel makers have ready to install barrels for savages.
http://www.sharpshootersupply.com/ is a Savage specialist, turning
out some very nice products. They sell trued and timed single shot
bare actions, the last I heard, for about $600 and will build you a
complete rifle around it to your specs if you chose.
Bill Smith
Martin H. Eastburn
Check out the G2 - rifle version - has all sorts of barrels.
I have the pistol (same trigger unit) different stocks and barrel.
If you want to go pistol with it, buy it pistol and go rifle.
It is legal that way and might not be in reverse.
Martin
misanthropic_curmudgeon
# Do any of the major gun makers i.e. Win., Rem., Ruger, Savage, etc.
# make a target or varmint rifle that has interchangeable barrels?
#
# I'd like to have one gun (stock and action) and be able to switch
# barrels for two different calibres.
#
# Just wondering if that is possible? �I thought a gun dealer told me
# once that Savage made one, but I can't find any info.
I dont know if you consider them 'major manufacturers' and I dont know
what you mean by 'target shooting', but Rossi do a single shot, that
comes with differing barrels on a single platform:
matched sets: http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=2
matched pairs: http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=3
Baikal single-shot rifles are built on the same platform, with
interchangable barrels as I understand it.
The http://www.baikalinc.ru/en/company/34.html for example comes in
virtually any calibre and with a smoothbore barrel as well.
Robert
<quan...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> ...
Thanks for the info.
Bob
Robert
benchrest.
Bob
Bill Smith
wrote:
#On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:17:41 +0000 (UTC), Bill Smith
#<quan...@newsguy.com> wrote:
#
# > ...
#Thanks for the info.
#
#Bob
A do it all cartridge you might want to consider is the 6 BR Norma. It
holds several records at 600 yards and beyond using heavy bullets, 105
to 108 grains, while also being very accurate at short ranges as
well. Sharp Shooter Supply has barrels already chambered for it. More
free bore and a tighter twist rate is required for these longer
bullets, so if you decide to go this way make sure you tell your
gunsmith (or SSS) what you intend.These barrels have, typically, a
life of around 4000 rounds at premium accuracy. Excellent brass is
available from Lapua.
A wealth of info about this cartridge;
http://www.6mmbr.com/index.html
sta...@prolynx.com
# Do any of the major gun makers i.e. Win., Rem., Ruger, Savage, etc.
# make a target or varmint rifle that has interchangeable barrels?
#
# I'd like to have one gun (stock and action) and be able to switch
# barrels for two different calibres.
#
# Just wondering if that is possible? �I thought a gun dealer told me
# once that Savage made one, but I can't find any info.
#
# Thanks.
#
There's always the Contender, buy as a pistol, get the stock and
whatever barrels you need, mouse to elephant. Haul them around in a
golf bag... There's also the rifle version, can't switch that to a
pistol, though.
Then there's the ARs, buy a lower, you can fit whatever upper you
want, .22 LR to .50 BMG. I've set one up that way, .204 Ruger and .
223. An AR with a free-float forearm tube and a bull barrel will
shoot right with the bolt guns.
Basically, you CAN do what you want with a Savage, you will need a
barrel nut wrench and a barrel vise, it's not something you do out in
the field. By the time you get the second barrel, you'll have the
better part of the cost of a second gun into it with the wrench and
vise included. Headspace gauges alone will set you back $50@ x2.
After the switch, you get to sight in again, each and every time you
do it.
Mauser had a couple of models of rifles that could switch calibers in
the field, pretty spendy and really oriented towards European calibers
and hunting conditions. I've only ever seen a couple up for sale with
extra barrels.
I can see the attraction of a switch-barrel gun for those benighted
folks living in areas where they're allowed ONE gun and ONE only. For
the rest of us living in the free states, just buy another rifle.
Keeps the economy going and the manufacturers and dealers in business.
Stan
Robert
> ...
Thanks for the info. I can see it's pretty much a bad idea to mess
with different barrels.
I'll stick to one gun one barrel.
bob
Bluehawk99
Check out H&R1871.com and their Handi Rifle....you can buy one rifle
then have it later fitted with a multitude of barrels/calibers for
$90-$120
Handi-Rifle� Barrels
22 Hornet, 22" $90.00
30/30 Win., 22" $90.00
44 Mag., 22"
*clean barrel, drilled and tapped, base included $90.00
45 Long Colt, 22" No Longer Available
45/70 Gov�t., 22" $90.00
357 Mag, 22"
*clean barrel, drilled and tapped, base included $90.00
*500 S&W, 22" $90.00
(Includes adjustable open sights.)
204 Ruger 22" Bull Not Available at this time
22-250 22" $90.00
22-250 22" Stainless $120.00
223 Rem., 22" $90.00
223 Rem., 22" Bull No Longer Available
223 Rem., 22" Stainless $120.00
243 Win., 22" No Longer Available
243 Win., 22" Bull $101.00
243 Win., 22" Stainless $120.00
270 Win., 22" $90.00
270 Win., 22" Stainless $120.00
280 Rem., 26" $110.00
30/06 Sprg., 22" $90.00
30/06 Sprg., 22" Stainless $120.00
308 Win., 22" $90.00
7mm-08 Rem., 22" $90.00
444 Marlin, 22" $90.00
(Includes scope mount rail.)
243 Win., 20" $90.00
22 Hornet, 20" No Longer Available
223 Rem., 20" $90.00
(Includes adjustable open sights.)
243 Win., 20" $90.00
22 Hornet, 20" $90.00
223 Rem., 20" $90.00
(Includes scope mount rail.)
Bob Holtzman
# On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:22:22 +0000 (UTC), sta...@prolynx.com wrote:
#
# > ...
# Thanks for the info. I can see it's pretty much a bad idea to mess
# with different barrels.
Why is it a bad idea? Switch barrel rifles are pretty much standard
practice in competition benchrest. Just make sure you use a gunsmith who
does this sort of thing. Not some backwoods blacksmith who claims to
"know all about that stuff". Best thing would be to contact a smith who
builds benchrest rifles.
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#"If you think you're getting free lunch,
# check the price of the beer"
Or at least ask yourself why there is no garbage can in the kitchen...
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Doug White
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# On 2009-11-14, Robert <hob...@charter.net> wrote:
# # On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:22:22 +0000 (UTC), sta...@prolynx.com wrote:
# #
# # > ...
# # Thanks for the info. I can see it's pretty much a bad idea to mess
# # with different barrels.
#
# Why is it a bad idea? Switch barrel rifles are pretty much standard
# practice in competition benchrest. Just make sure you use a gunsmith
who
# does this sort of thing. Not some backwoods blacksmith who claims to
# "know all about that stuff". Best thing would be to contact a smith who
# builds benchrest rifles.
There are different levels of "switch barrel". I think most bench rest
barrel switching still requires an action wrench & barrel vise, although
they aren't torqued to the point where tons of force are required like
taking the barrel off a military Mauser.
There was an interesting article a while back in Precision Shooting about
a guy who had a switch barrel rifle made up where he could swap the
barrels by hand. It took extra careful fitting by the gunsmith to make
sure everything mated up perfectly. I think this was for a varmint
rifle, as opposed to a competition bench rest gun, but the results were
quite accurate. I don't recall if he had done testing to see how
repeatable the process was, either in terms of the sight settings between
barrels, or from installation to installation with the same barrel.
Doug White
Bob Holtzman
# There are different levels of "switch barrel". I think most bench rest
# barrel switching still requires an action wrench & barrel vise, although
# they aren't torqued to the point where tons of force are required like
# taking the barrel off a military Mauser.
True but it's very little trouble to do. As far as torque goes, a smart
tap on the wrench with the heel of the hand is all it takes. Changing
barrels at the range takes two C-clamps to hold the vise to the bench.
Big deal.
#
# There was an interesting article a while back in Precision Shooting about
# a guy who had a switch barrel rifle made up where he could swap the
# barrels by hand. It took extra careful fitting by the gunsmith to make
# sure everything mated up perfectly. I think this was for a varmint
# rifle, as opposed to a competition bench rest gun, but the results were
# quite accurate. I don't recall if he had done testing to see how
# repeatable the process was, either in terms of the sight settings between
# barrels, or from installation to installation with the same barrel.
Saw that interesting article. I just wish PS would get their articles
peer reviewed. I see a fair amount of pseudoscience in there. However,
they're head and shoulders above the news stand mags.
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Bob Holtzman
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"If you think you're getting free lunch,
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Bob Holtzman
# # check the price of the beer"
#
# Or at least ask yourself why there is no garbage can in the kitchen...
Ya' know.........come to think of it.........
# (NOTE TO MAGNUM - Oh, come on, let it through <re-G>)
Is Magnum still the moderator?
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If you think you're getting free lunch
check the price of the beer.
Martin H. Eastburn
and then open the breach - push a large pin and the barrel comes off.
Slide the next one up push through the pin close and add a fore guard.
One can have a case of several as needed and a case of shells for each.
I have three barrels for my pistol.
Martin
Bob Holtzman
# That is why I mentioned Thompson arms early - Take off the fore guard (likely)
# and then open the breach - push a large pin and the barrel comes off.
# Slide the next one up push through the pin close and add a fore guard.
# One can have a case of several as needed and a case of shells for each.
All true except the OP wanted to shoot groups from the bench and that
requires a bolt action for accuracy.
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Bob Holtzman
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"If you think you're getting free lunch,
check the price of the beer"
Martin H. Eastburn
There are other pistols with bolt actions. But don't discount pistols or
rifles without bolts. They are made for accuracy.
Martin
Jim
"Bob Holtzman" <hol...@cox.net> wrote in message
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# All true except the OP wanted to shoot groups from the bench and that
# requires a bolt action for accuracy.
You don't seriously believe that, do you?
Bill Smith
#
#
#"Bob Holtzman" <hol...@cox.net> wrote in message
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##
## All true except the OP wanted to shoot groups from the bench and that
## requires a bolt action for accuracy.
#
#You don't seriously believe that, do you?
It depends on the level of accuracy you're looking for. At the highest
level, short range (out to 300 yards) benchrest competition, there's
nothing but bolt action rifles.
Bill Smith
Bob Holtzman
# The Thompson isn't just a gun. It is a competition very accurate pistol.
Define very accurate.
#
# There are other pistols with bolt actions. But don't discount pistols or
# rifles without bolts. They are made for accuracy.
Almost all guns are made for *some* level of accuracy. Some for MOD
(minute of deer) some for .25 MOA.
Specifically what guns are you talking about? If you're referring to the
old scheutzeni(sp?) rifles, they were good in their day but have been far
outstripped for many years.
People who haven't been exposed to the accuracy intensive shooting disciplines,
i.e long range highpower, smallbore prone and position, rimfire and
centerfire benchrest, never realize the level of performance an out and
out competition rifle is capable of.
As far as pistols go, the only non bolt action ones I'm aware of made for the
accuracy the OP is talking about are the international free pistols and even
they, IIRC, don't come up to the level of the better free rifles. At
least that's the impression I got from the factory test groups I've
seen.
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Bob Holtzman
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"If you think you're getting free lunch,
check the price of the beer"
Martin H. Eastburn
It appears you are a rifleman.
State and national championships are done with non bolt actions and with
bolt actions in pistols. These out shoot revolvers and automatics all the time.
The Thompson pistol is a single shot and is known world wide for accuracy.
XP100's are in the same class - These are not a buy in any store kind of gun.
I used to shoot small bore rifle sponsored by NRA/ US Army, US Border Patrol
as a Junior. I shoot mostly for fun now, but like metallic completion.
A Thompson isn't a 1911 of any brand different type of gun and different use.
I shoot 6.5mm TC/U - which is a 6.5mm rifle bullet in a .223 case in my
Thompson. Others shoot .308, 30-30 - standard rifle bullets. And .17 as well.
There are 4 or 5 lines of pistol that constantly rank in the top and then there
are the mechanical types as well.
Martin
Bob Holtzman wrote:
# On 2009-11-16, Martin H. Eastburn <lion...@consolidated.net> wrote:
# # The Thompson isn't just a gun. It is a competition very accurate pistol.
#
# Define very accurate.
#
# #
# # There are other pistols with bolt actions. But don't discount pistols or
# # rifles without bolts. They are made for accuracy.
#
# Almost all guns are made for *some* level of accuracy. Some for MOD
# (minute of deer) some for .25 MOA.
#
# Specifically what guns are you talking about? If you're referring to the
# old scheutzeni(sp?) rifles, they were good in their day but have been far
# outstripped for many years.
#
# People who haven't been exposed to the accuracy intensive shooting disciplines,
# i.e long range highpower, smallbore prone and position, rimfire and
# centerfire benchrest, never realize the level of performance an out and
# out competition rifle is capable of.
#
# As far as pistols go, the only non bolt action ones I'm aware of made for the
# accuracy the OP is talking about are the international free pistols and even
# they, IIRC, don't come up to the level of the better free rifles. At
# least that's the impression I got from the factory test groups I've
# seen.
#
#
Martin H. Eastburn
and the 50 BMG is a bolt. But when friends shoot targets out to 400 yards
with a non-bolt pistol - and get 78-80 or 80-80 fun is fun.
I suspect the advent of the AWD hunting trucks that got our hunters to
sight in at 400 and 500 yard line. Without a truck - who would want to
walk that far and bring it back.
If you are trying to shoot 10's in a target - one tries to compensate
for the body. Every bit helps. Weight of rifle helps. My bull barrel
22lr match is bolted. Most single shots are.
Martin
Bob Holtzman
# Bob -
#
# It appears you are a rifleman.
Was. Arthritis has taken it's toll. I was active in smallbore prone and
position, ISU (now ISSF), and centerfire benchrest. Shot rf benchrest for
a year until activity died in this area. Quit benchrest because I
couldn't support that and smallbore at the same time and I was a serious sb
prone competitor. Always wanted to try long range but never had the chance.
#
# State and national championships are done with non bolt actions and with
# bolt actions in pistols. These out shoot revolvers and automatics all the
# time.
You fail to say what discipline.
#
# The Thompson pistol is a single shot and is known world wide for accuracy.
If you're talking about a Contender, what accuracy level do they
achieve?
# XP100's are in the same class - These are not a buy in any store kind of gun.
There are some XP100 based guns that will rival the best benchrest
rifles. They are, however, bolt action which reinforces my statement.
However, you would have to show me where Contenders(?) are in the same
class as XP100s with respect to accuracy *potential*.
I believe this thread started with the OP talking about shooting groups
off the bench with a rifle. This was followed by a lot of replies
touting unsuitable guns.
It all boils down to the fact that no matter how accurate non bolt
action guns are, if they had superior potential they would dominate the
rifle matches. As I'm sure you know, serious competitors would sell
their wives and lease out their kids at favorable rates if they could
gain 0.5 points or .001" group reduction on their average.
#
# I used to shoot small bore rifle sponsored by NRA/ US Army, US Border Patrol
# as a Junior. I shoot mostly for fun now, but like metallic completion.
Then you have a better appreciation than most of attainable accuracy.
#
# A Thompson isn't a 1911 of any brand different type of gun and different use.
#
# I shoot 6.5mm TC/U - which is a 6.5mm rifle bullet in a .223 case in my
# Thompson. Others shoot .308, 30-30 - standard rifle bullets. And .17 as
# well.
# There are 4 or 5 lines of pistol that constantly rank in the top and then
# there are the mechanical types as well.
Do they rank in the top in matches allowing bolt actions or are there
any?
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Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley
# Do any of the major gun makers i.e. Win., Rem., Ruger, Savage, etc.
# make a target or varmint rifle that has interchangeable barrels?
Yes - Blaser makes a very nice one: see http://www.blaserpro.com
Bob Holtzman
# On Nov 12, 5:25 pm, Robert <hob...@charter.net> wrote:
# # Do any of the major gun makers i.e. Win., Rem., Ruger, Savage, etc.
# # make a target or varmint rifle that has interchangeable barrels?
#
# Yes - Blaser makes a very nice one: see http://www.blaserpro.com
Following the link to the manufacturer shows 2 models of what they call
"precision rifles". The stock design of neither one is suitable for
shooting off of bags. Forgot to look at the trigger description but if
it's more than a few ounces it too is not suitable for realizing the
accuracy potential of the rifle.
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Bob Holtzman
"If you think you're getting free lunch,
check the price of the beer"
Martin H. Eastburn
go head to head with the XP100's. There are other brands as well.
I have a G2.
http://www.tcarms.com/
The new Venture is displayed. Move over the G2 Contender name and you see
pistol and rifle.
Discipline - seems obvious on the scores - Metal -
Martin
Bob Holtzman
# Thomson G2 (generation 2 I suppose) and former versions
# go head to head with the XP100's. There are other brands as well.
Looks like we are doomed to disagree.
#
# I have a G2.
# http://www.tcarms.com/
#
# The new Venture is displayed. Move over the G2 Contender name and you see
# pistol and rifle.
#
# Discipline - seems obvious on the scores - Metal -
Did I miss something? what scores?
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Kevin(Bluey)
FN /Mauser (66 system ) is the only commercial manufacturer that
make/made purpose built rifles with interchangeable barrels that I know of .
Not sure if they are still offered.
Very popular in Europe .
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Kevin (Bluey)
"I'm not young enough to know everything."
Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley
# Following the link to the manufacturer shows 2 models of what they call
# "precision rifles". The stock design of neither one is suitable for
# shooting off of bags. Forgot to look at the trigger description but if
# it's more than a few ounces it too is not suitable for realizing the
# accuracy potential of the rifle.
Here is a better link - this is the varmint model, which looks much
more suitable for that purpose
http://www.blaser-usa.com/R-93-Varmint.126.0.html
The trigger is adjustable, but they don't say what the minimum weight
is. Factory triggers often can't be adjusted down to the "few ounces"
range due to liability issues. The Blaser does have the reputation for
having an excellent trigger.