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Galen Hekhuis
Jan 19, 2012, 8:43:12 PM1/19/12
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If you encapsulated what I know about firearms and put it in an ant's
head, it would probably roll around like a BB in a boxcar. Still, I
remain a bit amazed at the "hit man" who can just open a briefcase,
take out and screw a rifle and scope together, then make this super
accurate shot, often at quite some distance, killing the target. Even
I know that just a tiny bit of dirt under the scope mount can make
quite a difference at a distance, but you never see them wiping down
or blowing off surfaces, they just put the thing together and go make
the shot. On the other hand, I know that military snipers don't get
to "sight-in" their rifles as often as they'd like, and I'm pretty
sure they take their weapons apart and put them back together and they
make incredible shots (to me, anyway) all the time. So is taking a
rifle out of a briefcase just some more Hollywood hype or is there
some truth to it?
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head, it would probably roll around like a BB in a boxcar. Still, I
remain a bit amazed at the "hit man" who can just open a briefcase,
take out and screw a rifle and scope together, then make this super
accurate shot, often at quite some distance, killing the target. Even
I know that just a tiny bit of dirt under the scope mount can make
quite a difference at a distance, but you never see them wiping down
or blowing off surfaces, they just put the thing together and go make
the shot. On the other hand, I know that military snipers don't get
to "sight-in" their rifles as often as they'd like, and I'm pretty
sure they take their weapons apart and put them back together and they
make incredible shots (to me, anyway) all the time. So is taking a
rifle out of a briefcase just some more Hollywood hype or is there
some truth to it?
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Steve W.
Jan 20, 2012, 6:02:27 AM1/20/12
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Galen Hekhuis wrote:
# If you encapsulated what I know about firearms and put it in an ant's
# head, it would probably roll around like a BB in a boxcar. Still, I
# remain a bit amazed at the "hit man" who can just open a briefcase,
# take out and screw a rifle and scope together, then make this super
# accurate shot, often at quite some distance, killing the target. Even
# I know that just a tiny bit of dirt under the scope mount can make
# quite a difference at a distance, but you never see them wiping down
# or blowing off surfaces, they just put the thing together and go make
# the shot. On the other hand, I know that military snipers don't get
# to "sight-in" their rifles as often as they'd like, and I'm pretty
# sure they take their weapons apart and put them back together and they
# make incredible shots (to me, anyway) all the time. So is taking a
# rifle out of a briefcase just some more Hollywood hype or is there
# some truth to it?
#
It can be done and isn't all that hard. Hollywood takes a few liberties
but a take-down that fits in a nice case and hold a good zero can be done.
I have a couple take-downs that operate just fine.
# If you encapsulated what I know about firearms and put it in an ant's
# head, it would probably roll around like a BB in a boxcar. Still, I
# remain a bit amazed at the "hit man" who can just open a briefcase,
# take out and screw a rifle and scope together, then make this super
# accurate shot, often at quite some distance, killing the target. Even
# I know that just a tiny bit of dirt under the scope mount can make
# quite a difference at a distance, but you never see them wiping down
# or blowing off surfaces, they just put the thing together and go make
# the shot. On the other hand, I know that military snipers don't get
# to "sight-in" their rifles as often as they'd like, and I'm pretty
# sure they take their weapons apart and put them back together and they
# make incredible shots (to me, anyway) all the time. So is taking a
# rifle out of a briefcase just some more Hollywood hype or is there
# some truth to it?
#
It can be done and isn't all that hard. Hollywood takes a few liberties
but a take-down that fits in a nice case and hold a good zero can be done.
I have a couple take-downs that operate just fine.
nord...@yahoo.com
Jan 20, 2012, 6:02:30 AM1/20/12
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# So is taking a
# rifle out of a briefcase just some more Hollywood hype or is there
# some truth to it?
A perfectly legal T/C Encore or Contender takes down into a 16 inch
# rifle out of a briefcase just some more Hollywood hype or is there
# some truth to it?
piece and a 14 inch piece and shoots the same way no matter how many
times you take it apart and put it back together. If an assassin is
not concerned with NFA rules a shorter barrel would permit a smaller
package. You wouldn't have to take the scope off the barrel, but with
the better mounting systems I suppose you could. For example, the
Leupold QRW system doesn't give up anything at 100 yards. All that
said, I've never seen an Encore or Contender in any movie or TV show,
let alone being used as a take down sniper rifle.
Gunner Asch
Jan 20, 2012, 6:02:31 AM1/20/12
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 01:43:12 +0000 (UTC), Galen Hekhuis
<ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
#If you encapsulated what I know about firearms and put it in an ant's
#head, it would probably roll around like a BB in a boxcar. Still, I
#remain a bit amazed at the "hit man" who can just open a briefcase,
#take out and screw a rifle and scope together, then make this super
#accurate shot, often at quite some distance, killing the target. Even
#I know that just a tiny bit of dirt under the scope mount can make
#quite a difference at a distance, but you never see them wiping down
#or blowing off surfaces, they just put the thing together and go make
#the shot. On the other hand, I know that military snipers don't get
#to "sight-in" their rifles as often as they'd like, and I'm pretty
#sure they take their weapons apart and put them back together and they
#make incredible shots (to me, anyway) all the time. So is taking a
#rifle out of a briefcase just some more Hollywood hype or is there
#some truth to it?
There are a couple rifles out there that might..might be able to do
this..cant remember the model..but it was a removable/switchable barrel
Mauser.
But..in the grand scheme of things for shots of any range...no...its
highly unlikely one can screw in a barrel and have it hit the exact spot
the scope is sighted in for.
Most "sniper rifles" not only dont have removable barrels,but when the
gun is reassembled..its not recommened to remove it from the stock
without resighting in. A good sniper rifle comes apart with a mallet
after the screws have been pulled.
I have one removable barreled custom firearm..an Arisaka with a .243
barrel ..that will shoot into a 5/8" group somwhere in a 6" circle if
the barrel is reattached without sighting back in. Somewhere..in the 6"
circle at 100 meters.
Which really isnt very handy unless one sights it back in..then it will
plunk em nicely into a 5/8 group that matches the cross hairs.
I dont know who did it..gun show swap and trade in the 1980s.
It would be easier to do a Savage this way, with their locking ring
barrels.
Gunner
<ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
#If you encapsulated what I know about firearms and put it in an ant's
#head, it would probably roll around like a BB in a boxcar. Still, I
#remain a bit amazed at the "hit man" who can just open a briefcase,
#take out and screw a rifle and scope together, then make this super
#accurate shot, often at quite some distance, killing the target. Even
#I know that just a tiny bit of dirt under the scope mount can make
#quite a difference at a distance, but you never see them wiping down
#or blowing off surfaces, they just put the thing together and go make
#the shot. On the other hand, I know that military snipers don't get
#to "sight-in" their rifles as often as they'd like, and I'm pretty
#sure they take their weapons apart and put them back together and they
#make incredible shots (to me, anyway) all the time. So is taking a
#rifle out of a briefcase just some more Hollywood hype or is there
#some truth to it?
There are a couple rifles out there that might..might be able to do
this..cant remember the model..but it was a removable/switchable barrel
Mauser.
But..in the grand scheme of things for shots of any range...no...its
highly unlikely one can screw in a barrel and have it hit the exact spot
the scope is sighted in for.
Most "sniper rifles" not only dont have removable barrels,but when the
gun is reassembled..its not recommened to remove it from the stock
without resighting in. A good sniper rifle comes apart with a mallet
after the screws have been pulled.
I have one removable barreled custom firearm..an Arisaka with a .243
barrel ..that will shoot into a 5/8" group somwhere in a 6" circle if
the barrel is reattached without sighting back in. Somewhere..in the 6"
circle at 100 meters.
Which really isnt very handy unless one sights it back in..then it will
plunk em nicely into a 5/8 group that matches the cross hairs.
I dont know who did it..gun show swap and trade in the 1980s.
It would be easier to do a Savage this way, with their locking ring
barrels.
Gunner
David R. Birch
Jan 20, 2012, 8:09:52 AM1/20/12
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Is the scope attached to the receiver or the barrel on this rifle? I
suspect a LER scope on the barrel would hold zero better.
David
suspect a LER scope on the barrel would hold zero better.
David
TonyW
Jan 20, 2012, 8:09:54 AM1/20/12
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Didn't Husqvarna make a bolt gun that the front half came of with a 90
degree twist? I know H&K had a removable scope mount some years ago
that was supposed to return to zero when reattached but I've never seen
much less handled one...
I'd guess minute of deer in a take down rifle is probably easy but
sniper accuracy would be much harder. But this is Hollyweird after all,
it doesn't have to make sense...
Tony
degree twist? I know H&K had a removable scope mount some years ago
that was supposed to return to zero when reattached but I've never seen
much less handled one...
I'd guess minute of deer in a take down rifle is probably easy but
sniper accuracy would be much harder. But this is Hollyweird after all,
it doesn't have to make sense...
Tony
Stanley Schaefer
Jan 20, 2012, 3:54:05 PM1/20/12
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On Jan 20, 6:09=A0am, TonyW <technoj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
# Didn't Husqvarna make a bolt gun that the front half came of with a 90
# degree twist? =A0I know H&K had a removable scope mount some years ago
# that was supposed to return to zero when reattached but I've never seen
# much less handled one...
#
# I'd guess minute of deer in a take down rifle is probably easy but
# sniper accuracy would be much harder. =A0But this is Hollyweird after all=
,
# it doesn't have to make sense...
#
# Tony
#
You have that right!
I've seen a bunch of movies where the works were all separate, scope/
receiver/barrel/stock, all in pieces. Wouldn't work, just a prop-
man's fantasy. Made it really dramatic putting it all together and
the nasty adjusting the crosshairs with the scope turrets.
Closest you can probably get to a real suitcase gun and be legal these
days is an AR with a short barrel and a telescoping carbine stock.
Guess they don't want to give anyone ideas, haven't seen one on TV.
Push two pins out and the whole works takes down, no loss of zero, no
wear on the accuracy bits. Have one like that myself. One ragged
hole out as far as I've got room to shoot. Since you can get ARs
with .308-sized magazines, you could have one that had some serious
calilbers, .30, 338, 35, off the shelf.
And return-to-zero scope mounts are a lot easier to come by with the
advent of rails. Have a cheapie that works quite well on the AR rail.
Stan
# Didn't Husqvarna make a bolt gun that the front half came of with a 90
# degree twist? =A0I know H&K had a removable scope mount some years ago
# that was supposed to return to zero when reattached but I've never seen
# much less handled one...
#
# I'd guess minute of deer in a take down rifle is probably easy but
# sniper accuracy would be much harder. =A0But this is Hollyweird after all=
,
# it doesn't have to make sense...
#
# Tony
#
You have that right!
I've seen a bunch of movies where the works were all separate, scope/
receiver/barrel/stock, all in pieces. Wouldn't work, just a prop-
man's fantasy. Made it really dramatic putting it all together and
the nasty adjusting the crosshairs with the scope turrets.
Closest you can probably get to a real suitcase gun and be legal these
days is an AR with a short barrel and a telescoping carbine stock.
Guess they don't want to give anyone ideas, haven't seen one on TV.
Push two pins out and the whole works takes down, no loss of zero, no
wear on the accuracy bits. Have one like that myself. One ragged
hole out as far as I've got room to shoot. Since you can get ARs
with .308-sized magazines, you could have one that had some serious
calilbers, .30, 338, 35, off the shelf.
And return-to-zero scope mounts are a lot easier to come by with the
advent of rails. Have a cheapie that works quite well on the AR rail.
Stan
Wayne
Jan 20, 2012, 3:54:08 PM1/20/12
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"Galen Hekhuis" wrote in message news:jfagrg$5al$1...@news.albasani.net...
#So is taking a
#rifle out of a briefcase just some more Hollywood hype or is there
#some truth to it?
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Well, if you count 22LR rifles it is quite true. The Henry AR-7 "Survival
Rifle" disassembles with major assemblies stored inside the stock, and it
fits nicely inside a briefcase. IIRC, James Bond used an AR-7 in some
movie.
Don't know of commercially available center fire rifles that fit a
briefcase, but wouldn't be surprised to see one, particularly with a bit of
barrel cut off.
penultimate
Jan 20, 2012, 3:54:10 PM1/20/12
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On Jan 20, 7:09=A0am, TonyW <technoj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
# Didn't Husqvarna make a bolt gun that the front half came of with a 90
# degree twist? =A0I know H&K had a removable scope mount some years ago
# that was supposed to return to zero when reattached but I've never seen
# much less handled one...
#
# I'd guess minute of deer in a take down rifle is probably easy but
# sniper accuracy would be much harder. =A0But this is Hollyweird after all=
,
# it doesn't have to make sense...
# Didn't Husqvarna make a bolt gun that the front half came of with a 90
# degree twist? =A0I know H&K had a removable scope mount some years ago
# that was supposed to return to zero when reattached but I've never seen
# much less handled one...
#
# I'd guess minute of deer in a take down rifle is probably easy but
# sniper accuracy would be much harder. =A0But this is Hollyweird after all=
,
My Savage 1899 250/3000 TD is absolutely deadly hitting barn doors at
sixty yards shot after shot, barrel removed between shots.
nord...@yahoo.com
Jan 21, 2012, 6:10:52 AM1/21/12
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I completely forgot about the Blaser R93...
http://www.blaser.de/uploads/media/R93_modularsystem_en_07.pdf
or the R8...
http://www.blaser-usa.com/uploads/media/Blaser_R8_USA_01.pdf
or the K95.
http://www.blaser-usa.com/K-95-Characteristics.114.0.html
And there's the Browning BLR take down rifle.
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?fid=003B&cid=034&tid=011&bg=x
An especially nice BLR custom setup here...
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=47&t=341049
The plain old H&R HandiRifle might serve.
http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Rifles/hunter.asp
Or maybe even the Rossi, if'n your hit man doesn't mind packing a gat
that looks like it got wailed on with an ugly stick.
http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=9
And there are some custom makers.
https://www.hsprecision.com/shop2/rifles/take-down-rifles-1.html
http://www.randyscustomrifles.com/take_down_rifles.html
http://www.blaser.de/uploads/media/R93_modularsystem_en_07.pdf
or the R8...
http://www.blaser-usa.com/uploads/media/Blaser_R8_USA_01.pdf
or the K95.
http://www.blaser-usa.com/K-95-Characteristics.114.0.html
And there's the Browning BLR take down rifle.
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?fid=003B&cid=034&tid=011&bg=x
An especially nice BLR custom setup here...
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=47&t=341049
The plain old H&R HandiRifle might serve.
http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Rifles/hunter.asp
Or maybe even the Rossi, if'n your hit man doesn't mind packing a gat
that looks like it got wailed on with an ugly stick.
http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=9
And there are some custom makers.
https://www.hsprecision.com/shop2/rifles/take-down-rifles-1.html
http://www.randyscustomrifles.com/take_down_rifles.html
TonyW
Jan 21, 2012, 6:10:56 AM1/21/12
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On 1/20/2012 12:54 PM, Stanley Schaefer wrote:
# I've seen a bunch of movies where the works were all separate, scope/
# receiver/barrel/stock, all in pieces. Wouldn't work, just a prop-
# man's fantasy. Made it really dramatic putting it all together and
# the nasty adjusting the crosshairs with the scope turrets.
Remember the scene in "Naked Gun" where Nordburg assembled a gun from
parts that resembled a Howitzer? That's about as realistic as the
assemble from parts sniper rifle.
Tony
# I've seen a bunch of movies where the works were all separate, scope/
# receiver/barrel/stock, all in pieces. Wouldn't work, just a prop-
# man's fantasy. Made it really dramatic putting it all together and
# the nasty adjusting the crosshairs with the scope turrets.
Remember the scene in "Naked Gun" where Nordburg assembled a gun from
parts that resembled a Howitzer? That's about as realistic as the
assemble from parts sniper rifle.
Tony
pyotr filipivich
Jan 21, 2012, 6:10:57 AM1/21/12
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Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net> on Fri, 20 Jan 2012 01:43:12
+0000 (UTC) typed in rec.guns the following:
#If you encapsulated what I know about firearms and put it in an ant's
#head, it would probably roll around like a BB in a boxcar. Still, I
#remain a bit amazed at the "hit man" who can just open a briefcase,
#take out and screw a rifle and scope together, then make this super
#accurate shot, often at quite some distance, killing the target. Even
#I know that just a tiny bit of dirt under the scope mount can make
#quite a difference at a distance, but you never see them wiping down
#or blowing off surfaces, they just put the thing together and go make
#the shot. On the other hand, I know that military snipers don't get
#to "sight-in" their rifles as often as they'd like, and I'm pretty
#sure they take their weapons apart and put them back together and they
#make incredible shots (to me, anyway) all the time. So is taking a
#rifle out of a briefcase just some more Hollywood hype or is there
#some truth to it?
#
It might be possible to custom build a sniper rifle which can be
taken down and carried in a briefcase, and still be accurate on the
first shot.
But then again, Hollywood wants drama, and 9 times out of 10, will
go for what "films good" rather than what is "right". That tenth
time, all the fiddly bits will be shown as the "technology" has become
part of the story.
OT3H, after watching some movie which totally got Missile Silo
security wrong, my brother countered with "You'd rather they show how
to do it 'right'?" So ... have your pick.
--
pyotr filipivich.
"I wish you wouldn't use the mind control device - I get
these terrible migranes until it's finished." Jonathon
+0000 (UTC) typed in rec.guns the following:
#If you encapsulated what I know about firearms and put it in an ant's
#head, it would probably roll around like a BB in a boxcar. Still, I
#remain a bit amazed at the "hit man" who can just open a briefcase,
#take out and screw a rifle and scope together, then make this super
#accurate shot, often at quite some distance, killing the target. Even
#I know that just a tiny bit of dirt under the scope mount can make
#quite a difference at a distance, but you never see them wiping down
#or blowing off surfaces, they just put the thing together and go make
#the shot. On the other hand, I know that military snipers don't get
#to "sight-in" their rifles as often as they'd like, and I'm pretty
#sure they take their weapons apart and put them back together and they
#make incredible shots (to me, anyway) all the time. So is taking a
#rifle out of a briefcase just some more Hollywood hype or is there
#some truth to it?
#
It might be possible to custom build a sniper rifle which can be
taken down and carried in a briefcase, and still be accurate on the
first shot.
But then again, Hollywood wants drama, and 9 times out of 10, will
go for what "films good" rather than what is "right". That tenth
time, all the fiddly bits will be shown as the "technology" has become
part of the story.
OT3H, after watching some movie which totally got Missile Silo
security wrong, my brother countered with "You'd rather they show how
to do it 'right'?" So ... have your pick.
--
pyotr filipivich.
"I wish you wouldn't use the mind control device - I get
these terrible migranes until it's finished." Jonathon
Walter Martindale
Jan 21, 2012, 6:20:16 PM1/21/12
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On Jan 20, 3:54=A0pm, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net> wrote:
# -
# Well, if you count 22LR rifles it is quite true. =A0The Henry AR-7 "Survi=
val
# Rifle" disassembles with major assemblies stored inside the stock, and it
# fits nicely inside a briefcase. =A0IIRC, James Bond used an AR-7 in some
# movie.
From Russia With Love. Sean Connery (the best James Bond)
W
# -
# Well, if you count 22LR rifles it is quite true. =A0The Henry AR-7 "Survi=
val
# Rifle" disassembles with major assemblies stored inside the stock, and it
# fits nicely inside a briefcase. =A0IIRC, James Bond used an AR-7 in some
# movie.
From Russia With Love. Sean Connery (the best James Bond)
W
Wayne
Jan 21, 2012, 6:20:17 PM1/21/12
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wrote in message news:jfe6fs$37a$1...@news.albasani.net...
#I completely forgot about the Blaser R93...
<several nice rifle urls snipped>
# http://www.randyscustomrifles.com/take_down_rifles.html
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However, if the OP was referring to a standard briefcase, the interior width
is about 17 inches and diagonal length about 20 inches. That eliminates
many "take down" rifles.
nord...@yahoo.com
Jan 22, 2012, 6:09:42 AM1/22/12
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# However, if the OP was referring to a standard briefcase, the interior wi=
dth
# is about 17 inches and diagonal length about 20 inches. =A0That eliminate=
s
# many "take down" rifles.
Not if the shooter can live with 16 inch or shorter barrel and and a
stock with a short or adjustable LOP. It would be vaguely
sacrilegious to cut on a Blaser K95 or Merkel K3 enough to make it fit
in a briefcase but it could be done. Adding a QD suppressor might
dull the aesthetic outrage, at least a little. A barrel, fore end,
stocked action, SR Swarovski scope, and a QD suppressor ought to
provide enough pieces to meet the director's vision while remaining
plausibly precise.
dth
# is about 17 inches and diagonal length about 20 inches. =A0That eliminate=
s
# many "take down" rifles.
Not if the shooter can live with 16 inch or shorter barrel and and a
stock with a short or adjustable LOP. It would be vaguely
sacrilegious to cut on a Blaser K95 or Merkel K3 enough to make it fit
in a briefcase but it could be done. Adding a QD suppressor might
dull the aesthetic outrage, at least a little. A barrel, fore end,
stocked action, SR Swarovski scope, and a QD suppressor ought to
provide enough pieces to meet the director's vision while remaining
plausibly precise.
TonyW
Jan 22, 2012, 6:09:44 AM1/22/12
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On 1/21/2012 3:20 PM, Wayne wrote:
# However, if the OP was referring to a standard briefcase, the interior width
# is about 17 inches and diagonal length about 20 inches. That eliminates
we weren't supposed to have guns in the dorms so I kept my Winchester
defender and a model 19 S&W .357 mag in my guitar case. With the right
sized guitar case and you wouldn't have to take anything down.
Tony
# However, if the OP was referring to a standard briefcase, the interior width
# is about 17 inches and diagonal length about 20 inches. That eliminates
# many "take down" rifles.
I think a guitar case would be better for this. When I was in college
we weren't supposed to have guns in the dorms so I kept my Winchester
defender and a model 19 S&W .357 mag in my guitar case. With the right
sized guitar case and you wouldn't have to take anything down.
Tony
Wayne
Jan 22, 2012, 12:53:28 PM1/22/12
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<nord...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jfgqpl$6c5$1...@news.albasani.net...
## However, if the OP was referring to a standard briefcase, the interior
#wi=
# dth
# # is about 17 inches and diagonal length about 20 inches. =A0That
# eliminate=
# s
# # many "take down" rifles.
#
# Not if the shooter can live with 16 inch or shorter barrel and and a
# stock with a short or adjustable LOP. It would be vaguely
# sacrilegious to cut on a Blaser K95 or Merkel K3 .....
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The thought of "modifying" those rifles sends chills down the spine.....
Sheldon
Jan 22, 2012, 8:06:19 PM1/22/12
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"Galen Hekhuis" <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:jfagrg$5al$1...@news.albasani.net...
# If you encapsulated what I know about firearms and put it in an ant's
# head, it would probably roll around like a BB in a boxcar. Still, I
# remain a bit amazed at the "hit man" who can just open a briefcase,
# take out and screw a rifle and scope together, then make this super
# accurate shot, often at quite some distance, killing the target. Even
# I know that just a tiny bit of dirt under the scope mount can make
# quite a difference at a distance, but you never see them wiping down
# or blowing off surfaces, they just put the thing together and go make
# the shot. On the other hand, I know that military snipers don't get
# to "sight-in" their rifles as often as they'd like, and I'm pretty
# sure they take their weapons apart and put them back together and they
# make incredible shots (to me, anyway) all the time. So is taking a
# rifle out of a briefcase just some more Hollywood hype or is there
# some truth to it?
#
# some truth to it?
Interesting post. Yeah. Hollywood: home of the 80 shot revolver and the AR
with the Infinity Magazine. Anyway, I don't see why you can't take down a
good rifle and restore it to excellent accuracy. "Hit men," in the movies,
often carry their guns is hospital clean briefcases, and the parts look very
well machined. AFAIK, the military carries in their "sniper" rifles
assembled. I've heard stories that good snipers can miss the first shot,
and if they can see where that one hit can get off a second shot on target
without a spotter.
Stanley Schaefer
Jan 23, 2012, 8:17:04 AM1/23/12
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The accuracy isn't in doubt, the POA vs.POI IS. Most of the past
sucessful takedown designs put the sights solely on the barrel. Add a
scope to the receiver, though, and the thing could be hitting most
anywhere with a barrel take-off design. Same case with those prop
guns that are assembled from all the parts and then used without
sighting in. Let alone the guys that are twiddling the scope dials to
get the crosshairs on target.
Stan
sucessful takedown designs put the sights solely on the barrel. Add a
scope to the receiver, though, and the thing could be hitting most
anywhere with a barrel take-off design. Same case with those prop
guns that are assembled from all the parts and then used without
sighting in. Let alone the guys that are twiddling the scope dials to
get the crosshairs on target.
Stan
Dillon Pyron
Jan 23, 2012, 7:57:49 PM1/23/12
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Thus spake Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net> :
# On the other hand, I know that military snipers don't get
#to "sight-in" their rifles as often as they'd like, and I'm pretty
#sure they take their weapons apart and put them back together and they
#make incredible shots (to me, anyway) all the time.
Actually they usually only need an occasional sighting. They don't
come apart unless there is something wrong with them. Dramatically
wrong. In which case they are reassembled with super attention to
details.
But miliary snipers have a sighter and range out their area. They
look for indicators (wind, temperature, elevation, etc) and dial these
into some rather expensive computers. And they carry "trick books"
with them. But to me those are still superhuman shots.
My sister's godson worked as one. Head shots are for pride and when
you "know" it's a hit. Body shots are what you want at 1500 plus
meters. Do the math to see why.
# On the other hand, I know that military snipers don't get
#to "sight-in" their rifles as often as they'd like, and I'm pretty
#sure they take their weapons apart and put them back together and they
#make incredible shots (to me, anyway) all the time.
Actually they usually only need an occasional sighting. They don't
come apart unless there is something wrong with them. Dramatically
wrong. In which case they are reassembled with super attention to
details.
But miliary snipers have a sighter and range out their area. They
look for indicators (wind, temperature, elevation, etc) and dial these
into some rather expensive computers. And they carry "trick books"
with them. But to me those are still superhuman shots.
My sister's godson worked as one. Head shots are for pride and when
you "know" it's a hit. Body shots are what you want at 1500 plus
meters. Do the math to see why.
Julian Macassey
Feb 5, 2012, 7:06:00 AM2/5/12
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# If you encapsulated what I know about firearms and
# put it in an ant's head, it would probably roll
# around like a BB in a boxcar. Still, I remain a bit
# amazed at the "hit man" who can just open a
# briefcase, take out and screw a rifle and scope
# together, then make this super accurate shot, often
# at quite some distance, killing the target. Even
Accuracy International used to sell a "Covert
Sniper rifle system". Chambered in 7.62 subsonic. This
rifle broke down and fitted in a Samsonite case. It
also took regular 7.62 ammo
Goggle has not been helpful on this, but the
rifle and suicase are in my 1991 Janes Infantry
Weapons.
Goggle tends to know little of events before
1995.
# put it in an ant's head, it would probably roll
# around like a BB in a boxcar. Still, I remain a bit
# amazed at the "hit man" who can just open a
# briefcase, take out and screw a rifle and scope
# together, then make this super accurate shot, often
# at quite some distance, killing the target. Even
Accuracy International used to sell a "Covert
Sniper rifle system". Chambered in 7.62 subsonic. This
rifle broke down and fitted in a Samsonite case. It
also took regular 7.62 ammo
Goggle has not been helpful on this, but the
rifle and suicase are in my 1991 Janes Infantry
Weapons.
Goggle tends to know little of events before
1995.
Steve W.
Feb 5, 2012, 12:37:42 PM2/5/12
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http://www.ketmer.com/ai/defense/awcovert/index.htm
Then you have this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmldAZO18RA
Or this one:
http://www.armstechltd.com/products.php?id=ttr-700_rifle
How about
http://tml.travellercentral.com/shrike/index.html
Or for more spray and pray:
http://www.gunpundit.com/293.php
http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?55681-The-Operational-Briefcase-Build
--
Steve W.
Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley
Feb 5, 2012, 12:37:45 PM2/5/12
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On Feb 5, 5:06=A0am, Julian Macassey <jul...@tele.com> wrote:
# Accuracy International used to sell a "Covert
# Sniper rifle system".
#...
# =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Goggle tends to know little of events before
# 1995.
It found these...
http://chrisscottnet.co.uk/misc/covert1.jpg
http://chrisscottnet.co.uk/misc/covert2.jpg
# Accuracy International used to sell a "Covert
# Sniper rifle system".
#...
# =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Goggle tends to know little of events before
# 1995.
It found these...
http://chrisscottnet.co.uk/misc/covert1.jpg
http://chrisscottnet.co.uk/misc/covert2.jpg
nord...@yahoo.com
Feb 5, 2012, 5:35:15 PM2/5/12
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nord...@yahoo.com
Feb 5, 2012, 5:35:18 PM2/5/12
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There is also the 9mm VSK-94 sniper rifle courtesy of the KBP
Instrument Design Bureau
http://kbptula.ru/eng/str/strelk/vsk94.htm
It's probably not legal in New Jersey, Massachusetts, Illinois, or
California...
Instrument Design Bureau
http://kbptula.ru/eng/str/strelk/vsk94.htm
It's probably not legal in New Jersey, Massachusetts, Illinois, or
California...
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