Would it be possible to just scare a bear with a gun?
Sheldon
wondering if I could put a really small load in the chamber so that it would
hit a plywood backstop and bounce off?
The reason I ask is that we have a lot of black bears around here, and I was
wondering if I could shoot one without harming it, but hurt it just enough
so it might remember not to come back.
Any advice and thoughts welcome. They get into everything, but in no way
are really dangerous to people -- so far. I'm just tired of chasing my
"bear proof" trash cans down the hill. :-)
Sheldon
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Sheldon
Did a little more research on the Net, including finding the instructions
for the gun I'm getting. Looks like the cylinder should be loaded with the
minimum amount of powder recommended by the manufacturer so the ball sits
firmly on top of the powder without a space. A space poses a real danger.
You also need enough of a charge to force the ball out of the chamber which
may be way more force than will only "scare" a bear.
I guess I could try loading my own cartridges and pull this off, but if the
bullet won't come out in a standard revolver you can just remove the
cartridge. A ball stuck in a black powder revolver is going to be a real
pain in the butt.
I'm still open to any ideas.
Thanks.
Gunny2009
"Sheldon" <she...@sopris.net> wrote in message
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# OK, here's the question. I'm getting a black powder revolver, and was
# wondering if I could put a really small load in the chamber so that it
would
# hit a plywood backstop and bounce off?
#
# The reason I ask is that we have a lot of black bears around here, and I
was
# wondering if I could shoot one without harming it, but hurt it just enough
# so it might remember not to come back.
#
# Any advice and thoughts welcome. They get into everything, but in no way
# are really dangerous to people -- so far. I'm just tired of chasing my
# "bear proof" trash cans down the hill. :-)
#
# Sheldon
Don't discount the danger of a blackie. I thought I read somewhere that
more people are attacked by black bears than by grizzlies. Reportedly, the
trash bears can be the worst as they are quickly losing their fear of
humans. I'm not sure about a blackpowder revolver, but I think they make a
rubber bullet load for 12 gauge that the "bear chasers" working for the
state use to discourage them. Check with Fish and Game. They may be able
to recommend something effective and legal.
Alex Cunningham
#"Sheldon" <she...@sopris.net> wrote:
# OK, here's the question. I'm getting a black powder revolver, and was
# wondering if I could put a really small load in the chamber so that it
# would
# hit a plywood backstop and bounce off?
#
# The reason I ask is that we have a lot of black bears around here, and I
# was
# wondering if I could shoot one without harming it, but hurt it just enough
# so it might remember not to come back.
#
# Any advice and thoughts welcome. They get into everything, but in no way
# are really dangerous to people -- so far. I'm just tired of chasing my
# "bear proof" trash cans down the hill. :-)
#
#
Sounds like a perfect way to piss them off enough that they will come after
you. ;-)
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There are twelve million sheep in Ontario.
Problem is nine million of them think they are people.
George
threat or are out of season. You need to find out what is legal in your
state.
George in Las Vegas
Ernie B.
# OK, here's the question. I'm getting a black powder revolver, and was
# wondering if I could put a really small load in the chamber so that it would
# hit a plywood backstop and bounce off?
#
# The reason I ask is that we have a lot of black bears around here, and I was
# wondering if I could shoot one without harming it, but hurt it just enough
# so it might remember not to come back.
#
# Any advice and thoughts welcome. They get into everything, but in no way
# are really dangerous to people -- so far. I'm just tired of chasing my
# "bear proof" trash cans down the hill. :-)
#
# Sheldon
#
Have you thought of an air rifle/pistol? It would be easier to regulate than
using BP. A .177 or .22 pellet should raise a blood blister without doing any
permanent harm to the bear.
--
Ernie B.
Communication: The art of moving an idea from one mind to another, hopefully
without distortion.
Sherman Willingsly
<she...@sopris.net> wrote:
#OK, here's the question. I'm getting a black powder revolver, and was
#wondering if I could put a really small load in the chamber so that it would
#hit a plywood backstop and bounce off?
#
#The reason I ask is that we have a lot of black bears around here, and I was
#wondering if I could shoot one without harming it, but hurt it just enough
#so it might remember not to come back.
#
#Any advice and thoughts welcome. They get into everything, but in no way
#are really dangerous to people -- so far. I'm just tired of chasing my
#"bear proof" trash cans down the hill. :-)
#
#Sheldon
#
#
All you need to do is approach the bear with the your black powder
revolver pointed in his/her direction and say in a clear, loud voice,
"If you don't move on, I'll blow your f**king head off". Works every
time ... unless the bear also has a black powder revolver, in which
case YOU move on.
b...@seanet.com
Zombywoof
grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote:
#
#Just remember to grind the front sight off first.
#
It's still gonna hurt.
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Moderation is for monks."
snakehunter
> ...
The sows get really touchy if their cubs are around.
Wayne
# wondering if I could put a really small load in the chamber so that it
# would
# hit a plywood backstop and bounce off?
#
# The reason I ask is that we have a lot of black bears around here, and I
# was
# wondering if I could shoot one without harming it, but hurt it just enough
# so it might remember not to come back.
#
# Any advice and thoughts welcome. They get into everything, but in no way
# are really dangerous to people -- so far. I'm just tired of chasing my
# "bear proof" trash cans down the hill. :-)
#
# Sheldon
#
Don't know about shooting the bear....but a lot of campers have scared bears
away with gun noise. Of course, this can be very dangerous to humans if the
bullet isn't properly backstopped. Got a blank gun?
--Wayne
jaf
There is nothing more dangerous than a wounded animal.
John
Natman
<she...@sopris.net> wrote:
#OK, here's the question. I'm getting a black powder revolver, and was
#wondering if I could put a really small load in the chamber so that it would
#hit a plywood backstop and bounce off?
#
#The reason I ask is that we have a lot of black bears around here, and I was
#wondering if I could shoot one without harming it, but hurt it just enough
#so it might remember not to come back.
#
#Any advice and thoughts welcome. They get into everything, but in no way
#are really dangerous to people -- so far. I'm just tired of chasing my
#"bear proof" trash cans down the hill. :-)
"They get into everything, but in no way
are really dangerous to people"
Unless you irritate one by shooting it with a squib load.
nord...@yahoo.com
# are really dangerous to people -- so far. �I'm just tired of chasing my
# "bear proof" trash cans down the hill.
Like Gunny said garbage habituated black bears can be very dangerous.
An important step you can take is to eliminate the scent attraction
and possible/intermittant food reward they get for visiting your
garbage cans before they start visiting the house looking for dog
food, the dog, or members of your household. Once they no longer fear
people and approach you even if you're trying to scare them off I'd
say it's time to kill them. When that time comes you'll want
something more reliable and packing much more punch than the usual cap
and ball revolver; a traditional solution is a 12 gauge pump and
Brenneke slugs. It's been a few years since I read it but _Bear
Attacks: Their Causes and Avoidance_ by Herrero is quite good -
frightening and useful. Proceed with caution.
cavalier
The idea is to scare it with the noise of the gunshot and impact, not
threaten it with an actual attack. Remember that most animals use
size and noise to scare off threats, like a bear's 'stand and roar'
maneuver. A blank load would work similarly, but I'd prefer to have a
bullet there if needed.
MNmineiro
> ...
Use of a handgun is not near as effective as bear spray. Get the real
stuff.
Thomas Reynolds
regardless of load. They don't seem to scare all that easy at times :-)
Jul 2, 8:38 PM (ET)
VERNON, N.J. (AP) - A northwestern New Jersey man said he was mugged in his
driveway by a sandwich-craving bear. Henry Rouwendal said he was packing his
car last Friday when he was hit from behind and knocked to the ground. He
said the culprit was a black bear who took his Italian sandwich.
Rouwendal said he kicked the bear in the snout and throat.
He said the bruin made off with the bread, salami and other meats but left
behind the lettuce, onions and tomatoes.
Vernon Township police said it's the first time a bear has attacked a person
in the rural community in more than 25 years.
The state Environmental Protection Department so far has classified it as an
"incident" and not an attack.
Gray Ghost
They don't hunt and they like to feed the cute little bears. They are black
bears. Guess what happens?
Frank
Gray Ghost
# Shooting a game animal with a firearm might be a problem if they are not a
# threat or are out of season. You need to find out what is legal in your
# state.
# George in Las Vegas
I think in most states if it's on your property and it's behavior is
destructive you're good to go. In VA bear and deer were year round on farms
as they were considered agricultural pests. In KY, where I am now if it's on
my property it's mine. That probaly does not include federally protectd
species, some of the avian types of which keeping looking at my chickens,
though they have yet to do anything yet. I beleive I have an adequate
solution should they become a problem. A shotgun and a large fire pit for
garbage and where we put (small) livestock that expire.
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Don Bruder
"Sheldon" <she...@sopris.net> wrote:
# OK, here's the question. I'm getting a black powder revolver, and was
# wondering if I could put a really small load in the chamber so that it would
# hit a plywood backstop and bounce off?
#
# The reason I ask is that we have a lot of black bears around here, and I was
# wondering if I could shoot one without harming it, but hurt it just enough
# so it might remember not to come back.
#
# Any advice and thoughts welcome. They get into everything, but in no way
# are really dangerous to people -- so far. I'm just tired of chasing my
# "bear proof" trash cans down the hill. :-)
#
# Sheldon
Advice: Don't even *CONSIDER* it.
Thoughts: A really good way to turn a garbage-raiding bear from "not
dangerous" to "deadly dangerous" is to piss them off. Shooting them with
a light load such as you seem to be contemplating is a good way to do
that.
Advice, part 2: It's my considered opinion that shooting at a bear with
anything smaller than a "full strength" .30-06 or more potent rifle, or
a 12 gauge loaded with slugs, is something that should only be done as a
desperation measure taken when a more suitable weapon is unavailable and
Mr(s). bear is in the process of trying to turn you into dinner.
Anything less, in my opinion, constitutes nothing more or less than a
fancy way of trying to commit "suicide-by-bear".
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Black bears are very strange and one of the things that causes problems with
them is no one, not even the bear knows what he's going to do next. A black
bear is just as apt to run over you trying to get out of your way. Or a sow
with cubs might think you're a real threat and attack with serious intent.
Whether you're talking human or animal if they're worth shooting, they are
worth killing. Loud noises will sometimes scare a bear off, especially if
it's a young bear unused to people. You might be better served with a 12
ga. shotgun loaded with heavy rifled slugs. If you insist on using a black
powder pistol, it better be a .44 caliber Walker Colt loaded to the max,
although a .577 howdah pistol might be better.
Misifus
I know that's what a big cat would do.
-Raf
Chuck
haraoi_conal
# Did a little more research on the Net, including finding the instructions
# for the gun I'm getting. �Looks like the cylinder should be loaded with the
# minimum amount of powder recommended by the manufacturer so the ball sits
# firmly on top of the powder without a space. �A space poses a real danger.
# You also need enough of a charge to force the ball out of the chamber which
# may be way more force than will only "scare" a bear.
#
# I guess I could try loading my own cartridges and pull this off, but if the
# bullet won't come out in a standard revolver you can just remove the
# cartridge. �A ball stuck in a black powder revolver is going to be a real
# pain in the butt.
#
# I'm still open to any ideas.
#
I used to do a lot of American Civil War re-enacting. We loaded our
revolvers with a full load of powder. Mash this down with the ram rod.
Be careful of filling the end of the ramrod with compressed powder.
Wad up 1 or 2 squares of toilet tissue and ram them on top of the
powder. Top off with Crisco or your favorite lube. These blank loads
will cross fire with out some lube on top. You still have to observe
muzzle discipline with these loads because they will hurt you up
close.
This will give you a nice report, plenty of smoke and fire. If you end
up needing real defensive power, you are going to have to make a
tactical advance. (Run like hell.)
Gunny2009
Don't forget, a very lightly loaded modern cartridge revolver is a bitch to
clear if the bullet does not fully clear the cylinder and jams in the gap
with the barrel. On the other hand, if it clears the cylinder and then
stops in the barrel, things can get REAL exciting on the next shot. All in
all, I would say you are on a dangerous road with your intentions.
haraoi_conal
# Did a little more research on the Net, including finding the instructions
# for the gun I'm getting. �Looks like the cylinder should be loaded with the
# minimum amount of powder recommended by the manufacturer so the ball sits
# firmly on top of the powder without a space. �A space poses a real danger.
# You also need enough of a charge to force the ball out of the chamber which
# may be way more force than will only "scare" a bear.
#
# I guess I could try loading my own cartridges and pull this off, but if the
# bullet won't come out in a standard revolver you can just remove the
# cartridge. �A ball stuck in a black powder revolver is going to be a real
# pain in the butt.
#
Use a brass rod and a hammer and beat like hell. Even if you forget
powder (what dumb-ass would do that?) you can still remove the nipple
and fit a brass rod slender enough to hammer the ball out. The worse
is getting a ball stuck in the forcing cone of a Remington revolver.
That can be a real pain.
haraoi_conal
wrote:
# I don't think I would challenge a bear with a black powder revolver,
# regardless of load. �They don't seem to scare all that easy at times :-)
#
I would not feel too under armed with a Walker Colt replica loaded
with 70 grains of black powder under of 6 round balls. Not that I
would choose to do this, mind you.
haraoi_conal
# OK, here's the question. �I'm getting a black powder revolver, and was
# wondering if I could put a really small load in the chamber so that it would
# hit a plywood backstop and bounce off?
#
# The reason I ask is that we have a lot of black bears around here, and I was
# wondering if I could shoot one without harming it, but hurt it just enough
# so it might remember not to come back.
#
# are really dangerous to people -- so far. �I'm just tired of chasing my
# "bear proof" trash cans down the hill. �:-)
#
ambling around behind the backstop of a range in northern NJ during a
"Ladies day the the range". All the firing lanes were in use. They did
not seem to be anoyed by the gunfire at all. After the call for cease
fire, we waited for 10-15 minutes for her to get the message and
leave. Finally the range officer drove his little golf cart at her and
she moved on.
Gunny2009
Naw. You just put the whole thing in your blacksmithing forge and heat it
until the lead runs out. LOL
Gunny2009
Black bears are hamless, until they decide not to be. Then they can be
deadly. They outweigh you. They outrun you. They outfight you. They can
absorb a lot of punishment and still keep coming. The problem with black
bears is that no one can predict their behavior. If you are commited to
nonlethal methods then I still think a Fish and Game rubber 12 gauge shell
followed by real 12 gauge slugs in a pump shot gun are the way to go. Hit
them in the ass with the rubber bullet and depending on the results, watch
them run, or be prepared to defend your life with the slugs. It's too bad
it comes to that sometimes. After all, they aren't "evil". They are just
following their instincts and trying to get a meal the easiest way possible.
jaf
John
Sheldon
"Gunny2009" <patmag...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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#
# Don't forget, a very lightly loaded modern cartridge revolver is a bitch
# to
# clear if the bullet does not fully clear the cylinder and jams in the gap
# with the barrel. On the other hand, if it clears the cylinder and then
# stops in the barrel, things can get REAL exciting on the next shot. All
# in
# all, I would say you are on a dangerous road with your intentions.
#
#
I hear ya. Thanks.
E30 Rocketman
pepper...that should keep their noses out of your trash!
Mike Corey
should never, NEVER point a firearm at any living thing unless I
intended to kill it. That's kind of a cover all statement. In other
words, never point a gun at a human, unless it's a bad guy intent on
killing you. Don't shoot at noises in the brush while hunting, be sure
of your target and what's behind it. Don't shoot at animals unless you
intend to kill and eat it.
So what I'm saying to you is don't point and discharge a weak loaded
firearm at what could potentionally be a dangerous animal, unless your
intention is to kill that animal with the first shot. That's one of the
last things I'd want to do, is make a dangerous animal such as a bear
mad, then not be able to follow up with a killing shot.
Randy
# On Jul 3, 6:43�am, "Gunny2009" <patmagroin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
# �> ...
#
# The sows get really touchy if their cubs are around.
#
I can attest to that with first hand experience.
I accidently got to close to a sow and cub a few years ago, just
didn't see
them as I was working. Sow got real bent out of shape and stood up
growling
to impress me and scare me. It worked. If my dogs hadn't been near
by I
think she might have ate my butt for lunch. Dogs harrassed her back
into
the woods.
Randy
Jim Yanik
news:h2ndms$huf$1...@news.albasani.net:
# Simply cover the top of your trash with powdered ,hot cayenne
# pepper...that should keep their noses out of your trash!
#
would an electric fence charger work?
I also saw a thing on PBS about a company that makes bear-proof metal boxes
to store your trash cans in. they fasten to concrete pads.
He hasn't had one opened by a bear to date.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
Bill Swafford
<she...@sopris.net> wrote:
#OK, here's the question. I'm getting a black powder revolver, and was
#wondering if I could put a really small load in the chamber so that it would
#hit a plywood backstop and bounce off?
Sure.
#The reason I ask is that we have a lot of black bears around here, and I was
#wondering if I could shoot one without harming it, but hurt it just enough
#so it might remember not to come back.
Or piss it off and have it come after you.
#Any advice and thoughts welcome. They get into everything, but in no way
#are really dangerous to people -- so far. I'm just tired of chasing my
#"bear proof" trash cans down the hill. :-)
Put your trashcans where the bear can't get them.
Bill Swafford
<blueh...@aol.com> wrote:
#Simply cover the top of your trash with powdered ,hot cayenne
#pepper...that should keep their noses out of your trash!
I used to hang condoms filled with ammonia and covered with peanut
butter from my fruit trees. It took each bear one time to decide they
didn't like my apples.
Wayne
Awwwwww.....don't shoot the bear with anything.....
--Wayne
Gray Ghost
@news.albasani.net:
# Back when I was a young-un my grandfather and father told me that I
# should never, NEVER point a firearm at any living thing unless I
# intended to kill it. That's kind of a cover all statement. In other
# words, never point a gun at a human, unless it's a bad guy intent on
# killing you. Don't shoot at noises in the brush while hunting, be sure
# of your target and what's behind it. Don't shoot at animals unless you
# intend to kill and eat it.
#
# So what I'm saying to you is don't point and discharge a weak loaded
# firearm at what could potentionally be a dangerous animal, unless your
# intention is to kill that animal with the first shot. That's one of the
# last things I'd want to do, is make a dangerous animal such as a bear
# mad, then not be able to follow up with a killing shot.
#
My family got a chuckle out of this as I related it to them.
Basically
My wife and I carry nines on our CCW. I would not shoot the bear with a nine.
I sometimes carry a .44 Mag around the farm in a holster. Only if I had no
other option and a life was clearly in danger human or domestic animal.
If I had time for a long gun, I think the thuty-thuty would be the minimum. I
have other .30 cal rifles - .303, 30-06, .308, 8mm. I have 7.62 x 39 but they
are a bit weaker than the the thuty-thuty and the bullets don't seem as good,
FMJ vs softpoints.
That or the 870 with slugs which is my general purpose, noise in the baryard
at night, buck and slugs in the Sidesaddle gun.
Frank
RD (The Sandman)
@news.albasani.net:
#
# Just remember to grind the front sight off first.
#
And don't forget the grease..... ;)
)
RD (The Sandman)
grizzly when you are in country where they both are. He stated that you
walk up fairly close and hit the bear in the nose with a rock. You then
run to the nearest tree and climb it. If the bears catches you before
you get to the tree, it is a grizzly and if it comes up the tree after
you, it is a black bear. ;)
Sheldon
I had a roommate who carried a .44 magnum in her backpack for bears.
Sheldon
I wish I could. There was no bear ordinance when they built my house, so
there is no place to put a trashcan where the bear can't get to it. The
cans are bear proof, and no bear has ever gotten in. They just pick them up
and toss them around.
Brian Whatcott
# E30 Rocketman <blueh...@aol.com> wrote in
# news:h2ndms$huf$1...@news.albasani.net:
#
# # Simply cover the top of your trash with powdered ,hot cayenne
# # pepper...that should keep their noses out of your trash!
# #
#
# I also saw a thing on PBS about a company that makes bear-proof metal boxes
# to store your trash cans in. they fasten to concrete pads.
# He hasn't had one opened by a bear to date.
#
#
I took a trail ride trip to the National Forest in New Mexico - a place
called Valle Vidal - a year or two ago.
On the way in to the campsite at 8000ft+ the truck startled a couple
of cubs across the dirt road and down the steep bank, so we knew there
were bear around.
The campsite was equipped with bear-proof trash dumpsters: you could
open one to dump trash but you couldn't reach in to get anything out.
Those bear proof dumpsters seemed to be a commercial proposition, not
custom-built.
The park ranger advice was "Don't leave food out if you don't want a
night visit."
We had horses tethered on a high line. They are likely to tell you if
bear come by.
Brian W
Mike Corey
# the nose with a rock. You then run to the
# nearest tree and climb it. If the bears catches
# you before you get to the tree, it is a grizzly
# and if it comes up the tree after you, it is a
# black bear. ;)
.
That just might work! I'll think I'll confirm this tactic by telling my
daughter's boy friend to give it a try.
Thomas Reynolds
"Sheldon" <she...@sopris.net> wrote in message
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#
# I had a roommate who carried a .44 magnum in her backpack for bears.
I saw a PBS show some years back. It showed folks living on Kodiak island
who had outhouses rather than bathrooms They all carried 44 magnums (as a
minimum) to the outhouses. Apparently the Browns on Kodiak are the largest
Browns in existence.
Bill Swafford
<she...@sopris.net> wrote:
#
#I wish I could. There was no bear ordinance when they built my house, so
#there is no place to put a trashcan where the bear can't get to it. The
#cans are bear proof, and no bear has ever gotten in. They just pick them up
#and toss them around.
You can't build one? Many bear proof trash enclosures are
commercially available as well.
Bill Swafford
<she...@sopris.net> wrote:
#
#I had a roommate who carried a .44 magnum in her backpack for bears.
How did she plan to get the bear to wait while she took off her pack
and pulled out the .44?
Sheldon
"Bill Swafford" <skee...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:h2r6u4$isb$1...@news.albasani.net...
# On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:52:36 +0000 (UTC), "Sheldon"
# <she...@sopris.net> wrote:
#
# #
# #I wish I could. There was no bear ordinance when they built my house, so
# #cans are bear proof, and no bear has ever gotten in. They just pick them
# up
# #and toss them around.
#
# You can't build one? Many bear proof trash enclosures are
# commercially available as well.
#
This would take some thought. My trashcan is bear proof, but not move
proof. If I nail it down I still have to be able to move it to the road on
pickup days, and my neighbors have complained if I put it anywhere other
than where it is. If I chain it to the house, I have to take it up a flight
of stairs to get to the street. Maybe I should just shoot the neighbors and
the homeowners association.
Sheldon
# On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:52:32 +0000 (UTC), "Sheldon"
# and pulled out the .44?
#
I don't know, but she's still alive to talk about it.
Bill Larkins
volunteer for the US Forest Service. Works great, except of course that
you have to replace the cayenne pepper whenever it rains (which it is
doing now, got to go out and replace the pepper in the morning.)
By the way, what's the difference, if any, between "ground red pepper"
and "ground cayenne pepper"? Packages labeled "red" rather than
"cayenne" seem a lot cheaper, or larger for the same price. Is it the
same stuff, or not?
Bill Larkins, volunteer, George Washington and Conecuh National Forests
email: trash...@GWForest.com
Bill Larkins
smeared on the outside with bacon grease. I hung them inside the trash
barrels I maintain/empty as a volunteer for the National Forest.
That worked for a few times, then the bears got wise to it and started
taking the trash bags out of the barrels and leaving the ammonia bags
behind.
Jim Swanson
<she...@sopris.net> wrote:
#
#"Bill Swafford" <skee...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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## You can't build one? Many bear proof trash enclosures are
## commercially available as well.
##
#This would take some thought.
Heaven forbid! Actually think or do work?
Martin H. Eastburn
large quiver of razor arrows and a good knife on his belt.
He told me - I was in High School - that a bear can have its heart
blown out and continue to run. The bear has a distributed nervous
system and is a hunting killer.
His plan was simply to bleed down the Grizzly and keep out of his
way. The bear killed two horses in their stalls two days before.
We got our ride back out of the wilderness area but never heard who
won. I bet on the Ranger.
Martin
Gunny2009
"jaf" <john...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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# Humans became very tasty?
#
# John
Tastes just like pork.
Wayne
#
# "Bill Swafford" <skee...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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# # On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:52:36 +0000 (UTC), "Sheldon"<snip>
>Maybe I should just shoot the neighbors and
#
Heh heh...good solution...particularly the part about the homeowners
association :)
--Wayne
Doug
ROFLMAO, are you serious? The bear, mind you, I said BEAR, will turn and
look at you and think, "Should I chew on you now, or later for that?"
come on......
Doug
Doug
know, the types they use for cattle and horses? Seems like that would be
better, and it would be on guard 24/7, even when you're not. OR, you could
hide in one of your trash cans with a cattle prod, when the bear opens the
can, jump out, zap him, and say "GOTCHA!!". You and the bear can have a
good laugh together right be he rips your body in half.
Seriously though, fencing is cheap and it would work I'm sure.
RBnDFW
# permanent harm to the bear.
I think I'd want the reassurance of those other 5 full-power loads, just
in case the rubber ball ticks Smokey off!
RBnDFW
# the homeowners association.
There's your problem.
I'd rather have the bears.
John Husvar
RBnDFW <burkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
# # using BP. A .177 or .22 pellet should raise a blood blister without doing
# any
# # permanent harm to the bear.
#
# I think I'd want the reassurance of those other 5 full-power loads, just
# in case the rubber ball ticks Smokey off!
I think if I were going to shoot at an animal, number of legs
irrelevant, that could seriously injure or kill me at a whim, I wouldn't
want to merely scare or sting it. If at all possible, I want it down,
disabled, or dead with the first shot. Otherwise, the SOB can _have_ my
damn garbage.
I'll build a better enclosure in the morning.
Tony
Would it be possible to load the first cylinder of a .357 mag with a
blank, and have the other 5 loaded with hollowpoints (in case the bear
gets aggressive)?
Scott M. Kozel
#
# Have you thought of putting an electric fence around your trash area, you
# know, the types they use for cattle and horses? �Seems like that would be
# better, and it would be on guard 24/7, even when you're not. �OR, you could
# hide in one of your trash cans with a cattle prod, when the bear opens the
# can, jump out, zap him, and say "GOTCHA!!". �You and the bear can have a
# good laugh together right be he rips your body in half.
#
# Seriously though, fencing is cheap and it would work I'm sure.
Have you thought of putting a shock collar on the bear, and an
electronic fence around your property? It would work opposite of
keeping your dog -inside-, it would keep the bear -outside-.
Scott M. Kozel
#
# OK, here's the question. �I'm getting a black powder revolver, and was
# wondering if I could put a really small load in the chamber so that it would
# hit a plywood backstop and bounce off?
#
# The reason I ask is that we have a lot of black bears around here, and I was
# wondering if I could shoot one without harming it, but hurt it just enough
# so it might remember not to come back.
Sounds like a good way to commit suicide, errm, bearcide.
# Any advice and thoughts welcome. �They get into everything, but in no way
# are really dangerous to people -- so far. �I'm just tired of chasing my
# "bear proof" trash cans down the hill. �:-)
Try energizing your trash cans with your 110 volt house power. The
bear will think twice next time.
Thomas Reynolds
"Tony" <to...@cigardiary.com> wrote in message
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#
# Would it be possible to load the first cylinder of a .357 mag with a
# blank, and have the other 5 loaded with hollowpoints (in case the bear
# gets aggressive)?
Not a safe amount of gun. And hollow points are not suitable for bear.
Solid rounds in 44 mag in a handgun, or a 12 gauge slug, or a centerfire
rifle in something like 30-06. I don't personally believe in a level
playing field when dealing with critters which might actually eat you if
they win the fight. I still remember the case in Alaska of the regional
head of the CDC who tried to fight off a sow with a .270 (he was hunting
deer), actually shot her successfully, and the coast guard found his half
eaten body in a brush pile once they shot her dead from a helicopter the
next day (the .270 round was in her body).
Sheldon
Any volunteers to put the shock collar on the bear?
Sheldon
# blank, and have the other 5 loaded with hollowpoints (in case the bear
# gets aggressive)?
#
#
I don't exactly live in the boonies, just moved into the bear's habitat.
So, when the cops show up there I be with a .357 loaded with hollow points.
Not sure how that would go over.
Sheldon
"Doug" <DZa...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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# Have you thought of putting an electric fence around your trash area, you
# know, the types they use for cattle and horses? Seems like that would be
# better, and it would be on guard 24/7, even when you're not. OR, you
# could
# hide in one of your trash cans with a cattle prod, when the bear opens the
# can, jump out, zap him, and say "GOTCHA!!". You and the bear can have a
# good laugh together right be he rips your body in half.
#
# Seriously though, fencing is cheap and it would work I'm sure.
#
# Doug
#
Sounds good, but I think it's illegal in these parts except for horses and
cattle on a ranch.
Sheldon
# Try energizing your trash cans with your 110 volt house power. The
# bear will think twice next time.
#
How do I do that? It's plastic. Strong plastic, but plastic.
Jim Yanik
news:h2u8pe$pue$1...@news.albasani.net:
# "Sheldon" <shel...@sopris.net> wrote:
# #
# # OK, here's the question. �I'm getting a black powder revolver, and
# was # wondering if I could put a really small load in the chamber so
# that it would # hit a plywood backstop and bounce off?
# #
# # The reason I ask is that we have a lot of black bears around here,
# and I was # wondering if I could shoot one without harming it, but
# hurt it just enough # so it might remember not to come back.
#
# Sounds like a good way to commit suicide, errm, bearcide.
#
#
# # Any advice and thoughts welcome. �They get into everything, but in
# no way # are really dangerous to people -- so far. �I'm just tired of
# chasing my # "bear proof" trash cans down the hill. �:-)
how about a trash can enclosure?
like a metal cabinet,anchored to the ground.
#
# Try energizing your trash cans with your 110 volt house power. The
# bear will think twice next time.
Yeah,and when a kid or trash collector touches it and dies,then where are
you?
Use a fence charger.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
Brian Whatcott
# "Doug" <DZa...@verizon.net> wrote:
# #
# # Have you thought of putting an electric fence around your trash area, you
# # better, and it would be on guard 24/7, even when you're not. OR, you could
# # hide in one of your trash cans with a cattle prod, when the bear opens the
# # can, jump out, zap him, and say "GOTCHA!!". You and the bear can have a
# # good laugh together right be he rips your body in half.
# #
# # Seriously though, fencing is cheap and it would work I'm sure.
# Have you thought of putting a shock collar on the bear, and an
# electronic fence around your property? It would work opposite of
# keeping your dog -inside-, it would keep the bear -outside-.
#
#
First: catch your bear....
BrianW
Bill Swafford
wrote:
#
#Would it be possible to load the first cylinder of a .357 mag with a
#blank, and have the other 5 loaded with hollowpoints (in case the bear
#gets aggressive)?
Yes, it would be possible. However, blanks are ineffective against
aggressive bears.
RBnDFW
# # Try energizing your trash cans with your 110 volt house power. The
# # bear will think twice next time.
# #
# How do I do that? It's plastic. Strong plastic, but plastic.
Bad idea. What if a kid walks by and touches it?
Do you have an attorney?
Ralph Mowery
#
# "Tony" <to...@cigardiary.com> wrote in message
# news:h2u8p9$pua$1...@news.albasani.net...
# #
# # Would it be possible to load the first cylinder of a .357 mag with a
# # gets aggressive)?
# #
# #
# I don't exactly live in the boonies, just moved into the bear's habitat.
# points.
# Not sure how that would go over.
#
As it was mentioned, do not use hollow points for bear. They will expand in
the fat and not make it to the vital areas. Use some solid non expanding
bullets. You must drive the bullet through the fat and reach the viatl areas
.. Hopefully clip the spine to stop him.
Ralph Mowery
#
# # Try energizing your trash cans with your 110 volt house power. The
# # bear will think twice next time.
# #
# How do I do that? It's plastic. Strong plastic, but plastic.
I would not use the house current, but a strong electric fence charger if I
was going to try that. Wrap the cans with "chiken wire" and stop about 1/3
the way from the bottom. The house courrent could kill you if you forget
about it. The fence charger will most likely just leave you hirting.
Misifus
# Any volunteers to put the shock collar on the bear?
#
#
And who will bell the cat?
-Raf
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com
Brian
#blank, and have the other 5 loaded with hollowpoints (in case the bear
#gets aggressive)?
#
Hollowpoints?
Isn't the skull of a Bear (think charging) like 6-8" of spongy bone?
Tony
# Not a safe amount of gun. And hollow points are not suitable for bear.
# Solid rounds in 44 mag in a handgun, or a 12 gauge slug, or a centerfire
# rifle in something like 30-06. I don't personally believe in a level
# playing field when dealing with critters which might actually eat you if
# they win the fight. I still remember the case in Alaska of the regional
# head of the CDC who tried to fight off a sow with a .270 (he was hunting
# deer), actually shot her successfully, and the coast guard found his half
# eaten body in a brush pile once they shot her dead from a helicopter the
# next day (the .270 round was in her body).
That makes sense. You need a round that will get past the layer of fat
and hit something important.
Scott M. Kozel
# you?
Put a sign on the can, "Danger! Do not touch! 110 Volts!"
People will be able to read it ... the bear won't.
Martin H. Eastburn
the line of the link and zaps himself. I'd have maybe 3 rings .
Doubt it would work.
Martin
Calif Bill
The fishing guides in Alaska have the first couple of rounds in the shotgun
as rubber bullets. The next are all lethal rounds. Plus they carry 44 mags
and 454 casuls as backup.
Jim Yanik
# # Yeah,and when a kid or trash collector touches it and dies,then
# where are # you?
#
# Put a sign on the can, "Danger! Do not touch! 110 Volts!"
#
# People will be able to read it ... the bear won't.
Some kids might not be able to read it,others simply won't(or may miss the
sign),and some will test it to see if it's true.
Or one kid pushes another against it.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
Michael Medley
> ...
I think that the general consensus is that using a gun to just scare a
bear
is the quickest way to find yourself on MTV's Jackass.
Scott M. Kozel
#
# "Scott M. Kozel" <koze...@comcast.net> wrote
#
# # # Yeah,and when a kid or trash collector touches it and dies,then
# # where are # you?
# #
# # Put a sign on the can, "Danger! Do not touch! 110 Volts!"
# #
# # People will be able to read it ... the bear won't.
# Some kids might not be able to read it,others simply won't(or may miss the
# sign),and some will test it to see if it's true.
# Or one kid pushes another against it.
Oh ok ... those are valid points. Not a good idea ... I think that
the shock collar / e-fence proposal would be better.
Bill Swafford
<koz...@comcast.net> wrote:
#Oh ok ... those are valid points. Not a good idea ... I think that
#the shock collar / e-fence proposal would be better.
How, pray tell do you get the shock collar on the bear?
Gray Ghost
# On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:29:06 +0000 (UTC), "Scott M. Kozel"
#<koz...@comcast.net> wrote:
#
#
# #Oh ok ... those are valid points. Not a good idea ... I think that
# #the shock collar / e-fence proposal would be better.
#
# How, pray tell do you get the shock collar on the bear?
Very carefully.
Frank
Larry Caldwell
(snakehunter) says...
# On Jul 3, 6:43�am, "Gunny2009" <patmagroin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
# > ...
#
# The sows get really touchy if their cubs are around.
And unlike grizzlies, black bears can climb trees, so that avenue of
escape won't work. They are also not as picky as grizzlies. Grizzlies
will rip you up and walk away as soon as you are dead. Black bears will
eat you. We are fortunate that they are shy and prefer to avoid contact
with people, but never imagine that means they are not dangerous.
To answer the OP, a bear getting into garbage should be killed.
Relocating them won't work, because they will just find another garbage
can. Most states will allow home owners to kill dangerous animals.
Contact your department of fish and wildlife to get a permit.
--
For email, replace firstnamelastinitial
with my first name and last initial.
Scott M. Kozel
#
# Bill wrote:
# # "Scott M. Kozel"#<koze...@comcast.net> wrote:
# #
# # #Oh ok ... those are valid points. �Not a good idea ... I think that
# #
# # How, pray tell do you get the shock collar on the bear? �
#
# Very carefully.
Sneak up on him, set up a diversion, and slip it on him while he is
not looking,
Or call your local Humane Society, and ask them to do it for you.
Petey
# On 11 Jul 2009, you wrote in rec.guns:
#
# # On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:29:06 +0000 (UTC), "Scott M. Kozel"
# #<koz...@comcast.net> wrote:
# #
# #
# # #Oh ok ... those are valid points. Not a good idea ... I think that
# # #the shock collar / e-fence proposal would be better.
# #
# # How, pray tell do you get the shock collar on the bear?
#
# Very carefully.
Or you can just wait to do it while the bear is busily engaged in shoving
the black powder revolver with the light loads in it up your posterior. ;-)
Robert
"Bill Swafford" <skee...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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# On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:29:06 +0000 (UTC), "Scott M. Kozel"# #Oh ok ... those are valid points. Not a good idea ... I think that
# #the shock collar / e-fence proposal would be better.
#
# How, pray tell do you get the shock collar on the bear?
#
You just walk up and offer him a picnic basket.
Robert
mingk...@aol.com
How would it get a gun in the first place?
Robert Lewis
Robert