45-70 Gov Lever Action
Von Fourche
One of my brothers wants a 45-70 Gov lever action. Are there any good
lever actions in this caliber that I can buy at a good price?
Also, what kind of kick does a 45-70 Gov have? Only lever action I've shot
is my 44-40.
Thanks!
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# lever actions in this caliber that I can buy at a good price?
One of the best is also the most affordable. The Marlin 1895 comes in
a variety of shapes and sizes http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/bigbore/1895.asp
About the only other source of a modern 45/70 is the current
Winchester Repeating Arms company who will sell you a modern
reproduction of the1886 takedown model for one easy payment of $1300
USD (or more than twice the price of some Marlins)
http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=014C&mid=534113
# �Also, what kind of kick does a 45-70 Gov have? �Only lever action I've shot
# is my 44-40.
Recoil depends a lot on what load you run through which gun. The
Remington factory 405 @ 1200 fps out my seven pound Guide Gun
"Mjolnir" kicks about like a 12 ga field load. The 300 grain
hollownose soft at 1700 feels about as snappy as my 30'06. When a
fella starts to push 350-420 grain bullets at 1800-1900 fps the handy
short-barreled guns can become obstreperous. The longer, heavier are
easier on the ears and the shoulder.
SaPeIsMa
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# One of my brothers wants a 45-70 Gov lever action. Are there any good
# lever actions in this caliber that I can buy at a good price?
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http://hunting.about.com/od/toppicks/tp/tp_lever_rifles.htm
# Also, what kind of kick does a 45-70 Gov have? Only lever action I've
shot
# is my 44-40.
#
You won't be shooting 100 rounds at one sitting with it.
Long Ranger
Opinions are all over the map on what is a good rifle. The one that makes
sense to me is to buy a Marlin that is older, but not so old that it has a
Micro-Groove barrel. Reasoning is that the older guns were better made, even
the Micro-Groove models, but the Micro-Groove is not cool with lead bullets,
which are quite popular loadings in the 45-70. As far as recoil, it is
pretty stout with full-house loads. Know that there are three "tiers" of
acceptable pressure levels to load for in a 45-70, depending on brand and
vintage. Factory loads tend to be loaded as safe for the lower level units,
since they won't know if you are shooting one old enough to be a weak one.
So, if you want full 45-70 performance, buy a modern rifle, and plan on
loading for it. Waters "Pet Loads" book has all the info on the three types
and their acceptable loadings.
George
Guide Gun with a 18 1/2" barrel to the Cowboy with a 26" barrel. recoil
depends on which rifle you choose with which ammo. Factory ammo should be
very mild out of either gun. The custom loaders have some heavy loads that
should be close to the .458 Win in performance. I am sure they have a lot of
recoil.
OOPS Gallery of Guns lists a Winchester 1886 replica for $2079 retail. It
might cost less through your dealer.
George in Las Vegas
Michael Medley
different models. One can a had at good price from a gunshow or from
gunbroker.com.
Recoil from standard 45-70 ammo is a bit stout, a bit heavier that a .
30-06
Full power ammo is available for modern guns.
Ridge Roofing
One of my brothers wants a 45-70 Gov lever action. Are there any good
lever actions in this caliber that I can buy at a good price?
Also, what kind of kick does a 45-70 Gov have? Only lever action I've shot
is my 44-40.
Thanks!
I shoot the Marlin and LOVE it. I use it for deer and never have to
track them...one shot and down they go. Recoil is stout and not
everyone can handle it. I think it just takes getting used to. My
Marlin is dead on out to 100 yards and will group at 1.5 inches. My
rifle seems to like the Winchester Supreme with Nosler Ballistic tips best.
Shinglhed
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# � � One of my brothers wants a 45-70 Gov lever action. �Are there any good
# lever actions in this caliber that I can buy at a good price?
#
# �Also, what kind of kick does a 45-70 Gov have? �Only lever action I've shot
# is my 44-40.
#
#
The two commonly available models are the Marlin 1895 and the
Winchester 1886 and replicas of same by Browning. The 1895 is
probably the most practical for hunting use, the 1886 is a nostalgia
piece, weighs a ton. What's a good price for you? List hovers around
a grand for most 1895 models new, you CAN do better used or at shows.
As far as kick, that's purely subjective and will depend on how the
cartridge is stoked up. Factory Trapdoor-level loads will probably
thump like a shotgun load, elephant-killer handloads will be more of
an armful. A lot depend on what model you get, how much it weighs
with glass on board and what sort of recoil pad it wears.
No glass for an 1886, it's a top-eject.
Stan
Tim Douglass
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# One of my brothers wants a 45-70 Gov lever action. Are there any good
#lever actions in this caliber that I can buy at a good price?
#
# Also, what kind of kick does a 45-70 Gov have? Only lever action I've shot
#is my 44-40.
I absolutely love my Marlin 1895. Mine is stainless with a laminated
stock and I have a low-profile peep sight on it. Price-wise it is
probably about as reasonable as you will get for a new 45-70.
As to recoil I have a hard time quantifying it. Mine fits me perfectly
and has a good recoil pad on it. I'd say it is in the same range as my
30-06 but with a bit more "shove" than "hit". I'm perfectly
comfortable putting a couple boxes through it, but it would be a bit
much to use for a 100 round match or something like that.
Lever action, peep sight, big bore -- it just doesn't get any better
than that!
Tim Douglass
"I'm not exactly burned out, but I'm a little bit scorched and there's some smoke damage."
Bluehawk99
"the Micro-Groove is not cool with lead bullets"
Actually that's a myth...a good cast bullet with a gas check such as
the RCBS 300 grain flat point is an extremely accurate bullet in my
1895SS with Micro Groove rifleing useing anywhere from 23 grains on up
to 50 grains of IMR 4198. I get sub-minute of angle 3-shot groups
consistently at 100 yards!
Marlin later changed to a modified Micro Groove and then to Ballard
rifleing in the Cowboy model only because they were pressured by
consumers but their customers realized (too late) the original Micro
Groove was far superior with cast bullets!
Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley
# Marlin later changed to a modified Micro Groove and then to Ballard
# rifleing in the Cowboy model
Actually, it looks like all of the current Marlin 45-70s come with
Ballard rifling, not just the cowboy model.
Bluehawk99
# Actually, it looks like all of the current Marlin 45-70s come with
# Ballard rifling, not just the cowboy model.
I didn't mean it to say ONLY the Cowboy rifle had Ballard rifleing...I
should have put a comma in there:
"in the Cowboy model, only because they were pressured.."
I do think it was the Cowboy model though that received the Ballard
first...if I remember correctly.
If not, then I stand corrected. :o)
WHITE BUDDHA
biscuit....
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# On Nov 4, 1:15�pm, Bluehawk99 <bluehaw...@aol.com> wrote:
# # Marlin later changed to a modified Micro Groove and then to Ballard
# # rifleing in the Cowboy model
#
# Actually, it looks like all of the current Marlin 45-70s come with
# Ballard rifling, not just the cowboy model.
Same with .44 Magnums. There was a really big fuss in the gun rags
awhile back about Micro-Groove not being suited to cast bullets, which
has since sunk in to become one of the Facts That Can't Be Disputed.
I've seen accounts both ways, it's the best thing since sliced bread
and it's terrible, can't hit the broad side of a freighter. Mine's a
late one, so it's got the Ballard-style of rifling, which works well
enough to kill deer... I think the differences in accounts are
related to individual tolerances on each rifle, how smooth the leade
is and the user's choice of alloy, lube, bullet size and load. Over-
drive any lead slug and it's going to give you fits, no matter what
the rifling type is. What I haven't seen is a test of two otherwise
identical Marlins, one with Micro-Groove and one with Ballard rifling,
side-by-side with the same loads. What I do give Marlin credit for is
listening to the users and making changes, they DO want to sell rifles
after all.
It's funny, though, that the terrible Micro-Groove accuracy hasn't
been noticed with the rimfires, they've got really limited lube and
the bullets are dead soft compared to most cast ones. You'd think if
there were leading troubles or inherent accuracy problems, they'd show
up there first. If it were really that terrible, Marlin probably
wouldn't have introduced it at all.
Stan
Bluehawk99
problems, they'd show up there first. �If it were really that
terrible, Marlin probably wouldn't have introduced it at all."
And you would be correct...Marlin has been around a looong time and
knows exactly how to make excellent firearms!
I've pushed 300 grain cast bullets of linotype...gas checked...up to
2,200 fps with no loss of accuracy at 100 yards in my 1895SS .45-70
with Micro Groove rifleing. Have had several discussions with the
folks at Marlin about this and they agree...match the bullet and
powder to the gun with it's rifleing and you'll have success. Those
who have condemned Micro Groove in the past obviously did not take the
time to experiment enough or simply just parrotted what they had heard
from others!
Of course this doesn't mean what is excellent in my rifle will shoot
just as well in yours...you have to get out there and try different
loads...don't give up...somewhere in that drawer of molds and on that
shelf of powders is a winning combination for you!
As an aside, I have used this same bullet and powder combination at
the same velocity in my Czech VZ24 Mauser customized into a .458
Winchester magnum and the best it can do with that is approx. 2.5 inch
groups at 100 yards...so I have to keep experimenting with different
powders and cast bullets if I want to decrease that group, BUT a group
size such is that is perfectly acceptable in that rifle for the game
that caliber/bullet/velocity combination is intended for as it would
be also for the .45-70!
Larry Caldwell
(WHITE BUDDHA) says...
# I had a Marlin guide gun in 45-70 that would kick the lard out of a
# biscuit....
Factory loads are safe in the old trap door Springfields, and are pretty
mild on recoil. If you load up to modern pressures, an 1895 will really
kick. Give your shoulder room to get out of the way. I shot a heavy
load prone once, and almost broke my shoulder.
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