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clarkm...@gmail.com
May 9, 2013, 10:52:15 PM5/9/13
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I only spend a few weeks hunting per year, so I look for other ways to spen
d my time in gun related activities.
1) Read and type about guns on the internet.
2) Go to all gun shows and buy more guns.
3) Go to gun stores and buy more guns.
4) Order handloading supplies on the internet.
5) Go to the range and shoot some guns.
6) Write a range report, giving bullet, charge, OAL, barrel length, group s
ize, and velocities measured on the chronograph. Scan the targets. Send the
range report as an email to every other CGS person that responds my emails
.
7) Buy a lathe and mill and do amateur gunsmithing; thread and chamber barr
els, drill and tap for scopes.
8) Design wildcat cartridges. Make up my own loads for them.
9) Design gun parts, like scope mounts, scope rings, barrel adapting bushin
gs.
10) Go on hunting trips for animals I will not eat. Drive 2,000 miles to sh
oot rodents.
11) Look in the mirror while wearing an orange vest, binoculars strapped t
o the chest, range finder on tether in right pocket, GPS on tether in left
pocket, rifle over shoulder with sling, bipod, scope, elevation turret, and
rear bag. Knee pads for crawling over pin cushion cacti while stalking an
animal. Backpack on back with animal dragging harness, gutting knife, bone
saw, and paper towels. To look cool, add camo booney hat and sunglasses.
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Giampingjack
May 10, 2013, 9:56:05 AM5/10/13
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Il 10/05/2013 04:52, clarkm...@gmail.com ha scritto:
# I only spend a few weeks hunting per year, so I look for other ways to spen
# d my time in gun related activities.
#
#
great!
# I only spend a few weeks hunting per year, so I look for other ways to spen
# d my time in gun related activities.
#
#
great!
Wayne
May 10, 2013, 4:32:11 PM5/10/13
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wrote in message news:kmhncv$iuh$1...@news.albasani.net...
#I only spend a few weeks hunting per year, so I look for other ways to spen
#d my time in gun related activities.
#1) Read and type about guns on the internet.
#2) Go to all gun shows and buy more guns.
<snipped>
Excellent! You have it just about covered. Two possible additions:
1. Cowboy shooting. You can get a whole new range of guns including black
powder revolvers. (you need 5 of these to have the equivalent capability of
a 30 round magazine).
In addition to all the involved gun activities, there is a need to have
complete and authentic clothing.
2. A 3 D printer. You can have a lot of fun with that, and can probably
learn a lot from your lawyer. :)
Bob Holtzman
May 10, 2013, 8:12:47 PM5/10/13
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#
# 2. A 3 D printer. You can have a lot of fun with that, and can probably
# learn a lot from your lawyer. :)
You forgot one.
3) If you're not already a member, find and join a club with an *ACTIVE*
multi discipline competition program. Choose one of them (smallbore, high
power, bullseye pistol) and start competing. You will be surprised how
much better your field shooting will become.
--
Bob Holtzman
# 2. A 3 D printer. You can have a lot of fun with that, and can probably
# learn a lot from your lawyer. :)
You forgot one.
3) If you're not already a member, find and join a club with an *ACTIVE*
multi discipline competition program. Choose one of them (smallbore, high
power, bullseye pistol) and start competing. You will be surprised how
much better your field shooting will become.
--
Bob Holtzman
Mike Marlow
May 11, 2013, 11:36:19 AM5/11/13
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Bob Holtzman wrote:
# #
#
# You forgot one.
# 3) If you're not already a member, find and join a club with an
# *ACTIVE* multi discipline competition program. Choose one of them
# (smallbore, high power, bullseye pistol) and start competing. You
# will be surprised how much better your field shooting will become.
Or don't, and simply shoot your gun on a regular basis until it becomes an
intuitive part of your body and your actions. No need for that club stuff.
Just get to learn your gun. People like to overcomplicate the most simple
of things...
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
# #
# # 2. A 3 D printer. You can have a lot of fun with that, and can
# probably # learn a lot from your lawyer. :)
#
# You forgot one.
# 3) If you're not already a member, find and join a club with an
# *ACTIVE* multi discipline competition program. Choose one of them
# (smallbore, high power, bullseye pistol) and start competing. You
# will be surprised how much better your field shooting will become.
Or don't, and simply shoot your gun on a regular basis until it becomes an
intuitive part of your body and your actions. No need for that club stuff.
Just get to learn your gun. People like to overcomplicate the most simple
of things...
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Joe Pfeiffer
May 11, 2013, 11:36:21 AM5/11/13
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Bob Holtzman <hol...@cox.net> writes:
# #
# # 2. A 3 D printer. You can have a lot of fun with that, and can probably
# # learn a lot from your lawyer. :)
# multi discipline competition program. Choose one of them (smallbore, high
# power, bullseye pistol) and start competing. You will be surprised how
# much better your field shooting will become.
I've been thinking lately I need to do that...
# #
# # 2. A 3 D printer. You can have a lot of fun with that, and can probably
# # learn a lot from your lawyer. :)
#
# You forgot one.
# 3) If you're not already a member, find and join a club with an *ACTIVE*
# You forgot one.
# multi discipline competition program. Choose one of them (smallbore, high
# power, bullseye pistol) and start competing. You will be surprised how
# much better your field shooting will become.
I've been thinking lately I need to do that...
news
May 11, 2013, 12:48:44 PM5/11/13
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On 5/9/2013 8:52 PM, clarkm...@gmail.com wrote:
# I only spend a few weeks hunting per year, so I look for other ways to spen
# d my time in gun related activities.
[snip]
You didn't mention any airgun-related activity. If you really want to
learn trigger control and follow-through, you need to shoot airguns;
their slower velocity really shows up any problems you have in either
area. Also, you can shoot inside your house any time the need for
trigger time hits you, day or night, good weather or bad. Shooting
airguns will make you a better shooter of powder burners.
# I only spend a few weeks hunting per year, so I look for other ways to spen
# d my time in gun related activities.
[snip]
You didn't mention any airgun-related activity. If you really want to
learn trigger control and follow-through, you need to shoot airguns;
their slower velocity really shows up any problems you have in either
area. Also, you can shoot inside your house any time the need for
trigger time hits you, day or night, good weather or bad. Shooting
airguns will make you a better shooter of powder burners.
Bob Holtzman
May 11, 2013, 3:55:35 PM5/11/13
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On 2013-05-11, Mike Marlow <mma...@windstream.net> wrote:
# Bob Holtzman wrote:
# # #
# # *ACTIVE* multi discipline competition program. Choose one of them
# # (smallbore, high power, bullseye pistol) and start competing. You
# # will be surprised how much better your field shooting will become.
#
# Or don't, and simply shoot your gun on a regular basis until it becomes an
# intuitive part of your body and your actions. No need for that club stuff.
# Just get to learn your gun. People like to overcomplicate the most simple
# of things...
Through long (too long) observation of both methods it has become
apparent that people who simply shoot their guns on a regular basis
develop some very bad habits that are extremely hard to undo,
especially since they are seldom aware of them. There's nothing like the
impetus of competition plus a little coaching from some of the
experienced club members to develop sound technique.
Granted there are people who have become acceptable shots on there own
but they're few and far between. A lot fewer and a lot farther than most
of them think. Either that or their standards are lower.
--
Bob Holtzman
# Bob Holtzman wrote:
# # #
# # # 2. A 3 D printer. You can have a lot of fun with that, and can
# # probably # learn a lot from your lawyer. :)
# #
# # You forgot one.
# # 3) If you're not already a member, find and join a club with an
# # You forgot one.
# # *ACTIVE* multi discipline competition program. Choose one of them
# # (smallbore, high power, bullseye pistol) and start competing. You
# # will be surprised how much better your field shooting will become.
#
# Or don't, and simply shoot your gun on a regular basis until it becomes an
# intuitive part of your body and your actions. No need for that club stuff.
# Just get to learn your gun. People like to overcomplicate the most simple
# of things...
Through long (too long) observation of both methods it has become
apparent that people who simply shoot their guns on a regular basis
develop some very bad habits that are extremely hard to undo,
especially since they are seldom aware of them. There's nothing like the
impetus of competition plus a little coaching from some of the
experienced club members to develop sound technique.
Granted there are people who have become acceptable shots on there own
but they're few and far between. A lot fewer and a lot farther than most
of them think. Either that or their standards are lower.
--
Bob Holtzman
pyotr filipivich
May 11, 2013, 3:55:37 PM5/11/13
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"clarkm...@gmail.com" <clarkm...@gmail.com> on Fri, 10 May
2013 02:52:15 +0000 (UTC) typed in rec.guns the following:
#
Pretty much, it all depends on what sort of "gun nut" you want to be
"(Standard, or metric?).
My definition of "gun nut" is someone who goes "nuts" when the subject
is guns. Sort of like "car nuts" or "Chess Nuts", or any other
collection of those who get wound up on a topic, and you can't
get them to shut up, or change the subject.
That said, most gun nuts tend also to have a magical belief in the
power of assemblages of machined metal, wood or plastic, to manipulate
the world about them, for weal or woe. (In ye old days, we called
such people "idol worshippers", or magical thinkers). Doesn't really
matter whether the "gun nut" believes that firearms are Amulets of
Evil, the mere existence of which causes murder, robber,
procrastination (see sig), ring around the collar and denture breath,
or whether the "gun loon" believes that firearms are Talismans of
Protection, the mere possession of which, while still in the box, will
auto-magically ward off rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty
hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits,
vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers,
buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes,
train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and
Methodists!; they are still a "gun-nut". Nuts, bonkers, bereft of
sense, not pulling in many stations the old aerial, five cans short of
a six-pack, too many bells in the batfry. The lights are on, the
stereo is playing, but no one is there to change the records. One
brick short of a door stop.
In other words, they are not really capable of being more than a
TV journalist or weather girl.
Now, it has been my experience that the first group of Gun Nuts
(those who believe firearms are Amulets of Evil) make up the majority
of "gun nuts". Actually, I postulate the existence of the second group
for symmetry, having found no real evidence consistent with their
actual existence. They are similar to the theoretical physicists,
whose existence is postulated in order to account for the consumption
of resources in a budget, and explain where all the coffee went.
have fun and try to play nice.
pyotr
2013 02:52:15 +0000 (UTC) typed in rec.guns the following:
#
|I only spend a few weeks hunting per year, so I look for other ways
|to spend my time in gun related activities.
Pretty much, it all depends on what sort of "gun nut" you want to be
"(Standard, or metric?).
My definition of "gun nut" is someone who goes "nuts" when the subject
is guns. Sort of like "car nuts" or "Chess Nuts", or any other
collection of those who get wound up on a topic, and you can't
get them to shut up, or change the subject.
That said, most gun nuts tend also to have a magical belief in the
power of assemblages of machined metal, wood or plastic, to manipulate
the world about them, for weal or woe. (In ye old days, we called
such people "idol worshippers", or magical thinkers). Doesn't really
matter whether the "gun nut" believes that firearms are Amulets of
Evil, the mere existence of which causes murder, robber,
procrastination (see sig), ring around the collar and denture breath,
or whether the "gun loon" believes that firearms are Talismans of
Protection, the mere possession of which, while still in the box, will
auto-magically ward off rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty
hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits,
vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers,
buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes,
train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and
Methodists!; they are still a "gun-nut". Nuts, bonkers, bereft of
sense, not pulling in many stations the old aerial, five cans short of
a six-pack, too many bells in the batfry. The lights are on, the
stereo is playing, but no one is there to change the records. One
brick short of a door stop.
In other words, they are not really capable of being more than a
TV journalist or weather girl.
Now, it has been my experience that the first group of Gun Nuts
(those who believe firearms are Amulets of Evil) make up the majority
of "gun nuts". Actually, I postulate the existence of the second group
for symmetry, having found no real evidence consistent with their
actual existence. They are similar to the theoretical physicists,
whose existence is postulated in order to account for the consumption
of resources in a budget, and explain where all the coffee went.
have fun and try to play nice.
pyotr
Joe Pfeiffer
May 11, 2013, 3:55:38 PM5/11/13
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"Mike Marlow" <mma...@windstream.net> writes:
# Bob Holtzman wrote:
# # #
# # # 2. A 3 D printer. You can have a lot of fun with that, and can
# # probably # learn a lot from your lawyer. :)
# #
# # You forgot one.
# # 3) If you're not already a member, find and join a club with an
# # *ACTIVE* multi discipline competition program. Choose one of them
# # (smallbore, high power, bullseye pistol) and start competing. You
# # will be surprised how much better your field shooting will become.
#
# Or don't, and simply shoot your gun on a regular basis until it becomes an
# intuitive part of your body and your actions. No need for that club stuff.
# Just get to learn your gun. People like to overcomplicate the most simple
# of things...
For many of us, clubs like that provide the extra motivation we need to
# Bob Holtzman wrote:
# # #
# # # 2. A 3 D printer. You can have a lot of fun with that, and can
# # probably # learn a lot from your lawyer. :)
# #
# # You forgot one.
# # 3) If you're not already a member, find and join a club with an
# # *ACTIVE* multi discipline competition program. Choose one of them
# # (smallbore, high power, bullseye pistol) and start competing. You
# # will be surprised how much better your field shooting will become.
#
# Or don't, and simply shoot your gun on a regular basis until it becomes an
# intuitive part of your body and your actions. No need for that club stuff.
# Just get to learn your gun. People like to overcomplicate the most simple
# of things...
actually do what we know we should (and that's a lot broader than gun
clubs!).
Steve W.
May 11, 2013, 5:00:22 PM5/11/13
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# Granted there are people who have become acceptable shots on there own
# but they're few and far between. A lot fewer and a lot farther than most
# of them think. Either that or their standards are lower.
#
What do you consider an "acceptable shot"?
--
Steve W.
Bob Holtzman
May 13, 2013, 9:17:49 AM5/13/13
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On 2013-05-11, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
# "clarkm...@gmail.com" <clarkm...@gmail.com> on Fri, 10 May
# 2013 02:52:15 +0000 (UTC) typed in rec.guns the following:
# #
#
# Pretty much, it all depends on what sort of "gun nut" you want to be
# "(Standard, or metric?).
#
# My definition of "gun nut" is someone who goes "nuts" when the subject
# is guns. Sort of like "car nuts" or "Chess Nuts", or any other
# collection of those who get wound up on a topic, and you can't
# get them to shut up, or change the subject.
Ah, yes. There's nothing like Chess Nuts roasting on an open fire.
# Now, it has been my experience that the first group of Gun Nut
# (those who believe firearms are Amulets of Evil) make up the majority
# of "gun nuts". Actually, I postulate the existence of the second group
# for symmetry, having found no real evidence consistent with their
# actual existence. They are similar to the theoretical physicists,
# whose existence is postulated in order to account for the consumption
# of resources in a budget, and explain where all the coffee went.
The second group is called "Anti Gun Nuts" and when a Gun Nut and an
Anti gun Nut collide they annihilate each other in a burst of pure
energy.
I look forward to your upcoming paper on the subject to be published in
the Journal of Irreproducible Results.
--
Bob Holtzman
# "clarkm...@gmail.com" <clarkm...@gmail.com> on Fri, 10 May
# 2013 02:52:15 +0000 (UTC) typed in rec.guns the following:
# #
#|I only spend a few weeks hunting per year, so I look for other ways
#|to spend my time in gun related activities.
#
# Pretty much, it all depends on what sort of "gun nut" you want to be
# "(Standard, or metric?).
#
# My definition of "gun nut" is someone who goes "nuts" when the subject
# is guns. Sort of like "car nuts" or "Chess Nuts", or any other
# collection of those who get wound up on a topic, and you can't
# get them to shut up, or change the subject.
Ah, yes. There's nothing like Chess Nuts roasting on an open fire.
# Now, it has been my experience that the first group of Gun Nut
# (those who believe firearms are Amulets of Evil) make up the majority
# of "gun nuts". Actually, I postulate the existence of the second group
# for symmetry, having found no real evidence consistent with their
# actual existence. They are similar to the theoretical physicists,
# whose existence is postulated in order to account for the consumption
# of resources in a budget, and explain where all the coffee went.
The second group is called "Anti Gun Nuts" and when a Gun Nut and an
Anti gun Nut collide they annihilate each other in a burst of pure
energy.
I look forward to your upcoming paper on the subject to be published in
the Journal of Irreproducible Results.
--
Bob Holtzman
Bob Holtzman
May 13, 2013, 9:17:51 AM5/13/13
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On 2013-05-11, Steve W. <csr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
# # Granted there are people who have become acceptable shots on there own
# # but they're few and far between. A lot fewer and a lot farther than most
# # of them think. Either that or their standards are lower.
# #
#
--
Bob Holtzman
# # Granted there are people who have become acceptable shots on there own
# # but they're few and far between. A lot fewer and a lot farther than most
# # of them think. Either that or their standards are lower.
# #
#
# What do you consider an "acceptable shot"?
Different individuals have different requirements.
--
Bob Holtzman
David E. Powell
May 13, 2013, 9:17:57 AM5/13/13
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Do you have a .22? Cheapest way to train and do target shooting, and you can spend a range session with one and keep skills sharp while meeting fellow shooters.
Stanley Schaefer
May 13, 2013, 9:01:44 PM5/13/13
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On May 13, 7:17=A0am, "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com>
wrote:
# Do you have a .22? Cheapest way to train and do target shooting, and you =
can spend a range session with one and keep skills sharp while meeting fell=
ow shooters.
#
I kinda question that statement about "cheapest", last show, a .22
brick was $100 for old Sears promo ammo. I can load .45s with home-
cast bullets plus squirreled powder and primers for less. Sportsman's
here has scraped all prices off the shelves where the rimfires used to
sit and have stuffed other merchandise in there. Looks like they're
settling in for a long dry spell. If you've got a stash of .22s,
might be selling them for $100 a brick could pay off the house or
truck.
Cheapest way for training is air guns these days, a few tins of
pellets through and you've paid for the outfit.
Stan
wrote:
# Do you have a .22? Cheapest way to train and do target shooting, and you =
can spend a range session with one and keep skills sharp while meeting fell=
ow shooters.
#
I kinda question that statement about "cheapest", last show, a .22
brick was $100 for old Sears promo ammo. I can load .45s with home-
cast bullets plus squirreled powder and primers for less. Sportsman's
here has scraped all prices off the shelves where the rimfires used to
sit and have stuffed other merchandise in there. Looks like they're
settling in for a long dry spell. If you've got a stash of .22s,
might be selling them for $100 a brick could pay off the house or
truck.
Cheapest way for training is air guns these days, a few tins of
pellets through and you've paid for the outfit.
Stan
Joe Pfeiffer
May 14, 2013, 3:39:42 PM5/14/13
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Stanley Schaefer <sta...@prolynx.com> writes:
# On May 13, 7:17=A0am, "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com>
# wrote:
# # Do you have a .22? Cheapest way to train and do target shooting, and you =
# can spend a range session with one and keep skills sharp while meeting fell=
# ow shooters.
# #
# cast bullets plus squirreled powder and primers for less. Sportsman's
# here has scraped all prices off the shelves where the rimfires used to
# sit and have stuffed other merchandise in there. Looks like they're
# settling in for a long dry spell. If you've got a stash of .22s,
# might be selling them for $100 a brick could pay off the house or
# truck.
Prices are crazy these days. Some day soon, everybody who is
stockpiling will have "enough", and the prices will drop to reasonable
(and maybe even cheap -- the manufacturers are turning it out as fast as
they can, and there'll suddenly be 'way too much). I keep watching
ammoseek.com, and saw .22LR hit $.08/rd briefly today (roughly triple
what it should cost). Will it be tomorrow? Probably not. A week?
Maybe. A month? Hmmmmm.....
# Cheapest way for training is air guns these days, a few tins of
# pellets through and you've paid for the outfit.
That's even true when prices are sane.
# On May 13, 7:17=A0am, "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com>
# wrote:
# # Do you have a .22? Cheapest way to train and do target shooting, and you =
# can spend a range session with one and keep skills sharp while meeting fell=
# ow shooters.
# #
# I kinda question that statement about "cheapest", last show, a .22
# brick was $100 for old Sears promo ammo. I can load .45s with home-
# cast bullets plus squirreled powder and primers for less. Sportsman's
# here has scraped all prices off the shelves where the rimfires used to
# sit and have stuffed other merchandise in there. Looks like they're
# settling in for a long dry spell. If you've got a stash of .22s,
# might be selling them for $100 a brick could pay off the house or
# truck.
Prices are crazy these days. Some day soon, everybody who is
stockpiling will have "enough", and the prices will drop to reasonable
(and maybe even cheap -- the manufacturers are turning it out as fast as
they can, and there'll suddenly be 'way too much). I keep watching
ammoseek.com, and saw .22LR hit $.08/rd briefly today (roughly triple
what it should cost). Will it be tomorrow? Probably not. A week?
Maybe. A month? Hmmmmm.....
# Cheapest way for training is air guns these days, a few tins of
# pellets through and you've paid for the outfit.
That's even true when prices are sane.
Giampingjack
May 14, 2013, 3:39:43 PM5/14/13
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Il 10/05/2013 04:52, clarkm...@gmail.com ha scritto:
# I only spend a few weeks hunting per year, so I look for other ways to spen
# d my time in gun related activities.
#
buying today another carbine , when in your safe therearen't space :-)
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