Help. LeMat Pistol
Dana Schack
I am interested in getting back into black powder shooting. I have
recently run across the LeMat pistol. Does anyone know if there is more
than one manufacturer? Do the come in more than one caliber? Does the
lower barrel function or is there just for show?
References on the original pistol vary quite a bit on caliber.
Thanks in advance.
Dana
Glenn E. Meyer
S GREASLY
To the best of my knowledge, Navy Arms is the only supplier of these pistols.
They claim the lower barrel, a .68 caliber smooth bore?, is functional. I
would have one myself, but I find they are quite expensive for a black powder
pistol. I hope this helps!!!!
Mike
Dana Vibberts
In article <6agep3$d...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Dana Schack
<dsc...@foxinternet.net> wrote:
# I am interested in getting back into black powder shooting. I have
# recently run across the LeMat pistol. Does anyone know if there is more
# than one manufacturer? Do the come in more than one caliber? Does the
# lower barrel function or is there just for show?
#
# References on the original pistol vary quite a bit on caliber.
#
# Thanks in advance.
#
# Dana
Dana,
I believe the original LeMat Grapeshot Revolver had nine shots in 40
caliber, in a cylinder surrounding a central bore using 16 gauge
buckshot. That 10th shot must have been a real supprise! Navy Arms used
to make several models of the LeMat in 44 caliber, with a 65 caliber lower
barrel.
I don't know if they still make them.
I have several 44 caliber Colt Navy reproductions... what a great sound
they make. Have fun with the black power.
Dane
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Douglas
S GREASLY wrote:
#
# To the best of my knowledge, Navy Arms is the only supplier of these pistols.
# They claim the lower barrel, a .68 caliber smooth bore?, is functional. I
# would have one myself, but I find they are quite expensive for a black powder
# pistol. I hope this helps!!!!
#
# Mike
There pricy but built like a watch , the hammer is rather heavy and
hard to cock
YANKee
S GREASLY wrote:
#
# To the best of my knowledge, Navy Arms is the only supplier of these
pistols.
# They claim the lower barrel, a .68 caliber smooth bore?, is
functional. I
# would have one myself, but I find they are quite expensive for a
black powder
# pistol. I hope this helps!!!!
#
Cabella's '98 reloading catalog lists the LeMat replica as well. It is
on sale for $499, including wooden display case.
Still kinda pricey, I guess, but a real nice ( and unique!) BP gun.
Sure would be neat to have a LeMat replica built to handle cartridges.
( .44 spl plus a 20 ga. under bbl would be great!)
BJay
[x] No Guns [x] No Rights [x] No Future [x] No Shit
Douglas
YANKee wrote:
#
# #
# # To the best of my knowledge, Navy Arms is the only supplier of these
# # They claim the lower barrel, a .68 caliber smooth bore?, is
# functional. I
# # would have one myself, but I find they are quite expensive for a
# black powder
# # pistol. I hope this helps!!!!
# #
#
# Still kinda pricey, I guess, but a real nice ( and unique!) BP gun.
#
# Sure would be neat to have a LeMat replica built to handle cartridges.
# ( .44 spl plus a 20 ga. under bbl would be great!)
Also very illeagle it would be a short barreled shotgun then.
#
# BJay
#
# [x] No Guns [x] No Rights [x] No Future [x] No Shit
John A. Stovall
On 1 Feb 1998 11:56:11 -0500, Douglas <doug...@sj.bigger.net> wrote:
#
## Sure would be neat to have a LeMat replica built to handle cartridges.
## ( .44 spl plus a 20 ga. under bbl would be great!)
#
#Also very illeagle it would be a short barreled shotgun then.
It would not be illegal. I would just be a Short Barrel Shotgun and
be subject to a US$200.00 tax as required under the NFA.
Rather than saying it's illegal. Gun owners should learn the federal
gun laws about short barrels and machine guns.
Not my provider’s views.
John Alex Stovall
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RtofCentre
#It would not be illegal. I would just be a Short Barrel Shotgun and
#be subject to a US$200.00 tax as required under the NFA.
Well...you're right and wrong. In certain states it WOULD be illegal, ie.
where you can't own class 2 weapontry since Federal statutes take a back seat
to State law that is more strict . But, the legalities aside; the point is
moot, as the concept of a LeMat replica in a cartridge gun is an oxymoron. You
can't have a REPLICA of a gun that never existed. You'd have a new gun that
looks like a LeMat but does not replicate it. Its sort of like putting a fiber
glass assault rifle stock on your '94 Winchester ... whats the point?
Mike Bush
Have you seen the blackpowder LeMat in the new Cabellas catalog?
John A. Stovall wrote:
# On 1 Feb 1998 11:56:11 -0500, Douglas <doug...@sj.bigger.net> wrote:
#
# #
# ## Sure would be neat to have a LeMat replica built to handle cartridges.
# ## ( .44 spl plus a 20 ga. under bbl would be great!)
# #
# #Also very illeagle it would be a short barreled shotgun then.
#
# It would not be illegal. I would just be a Short Barrel Shotgun and
# be subject to a US$200.00 tax as required under the NFA.
#
# Rather than saying it's illegal. Gun owners should learn the federal
# gun laws about short barrels and machine guns.
#
# Not my provider’s views.
# John Alex Stovall
# XVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVO
# "....Long live Freedom and damn the ideologies,"
# Said the gamey old back-maned wild boar
# Tusking the turf on Mal Paso Mountain.
# XVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVOXVO
Glenn E. Meyer
Ok - here is my dumb question.
If the LeMat type would be a short barrelled shotgun -
why aren't various pistols like the ThunderFive and
derringers that can shoot 410s considered shotguns?
Some have long barrels for a derringer.
Why are aren't regular handguns with CCI and
other shot cartridges shotguns?
I recall a 38 spl load by Remington with 3 balls in
it. Is a 38 revolver firing that round a shotgun?
Legal eagles - anybody?
Darklove
In article <6b29fb$a...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, doug...@sj.bigger.net Didst belch out...
#
#YANKee wrote:
##
## S GREASLY wrote:
## #
## # To the best of my knowledge, Navy Arms is the only supplier of these
## pistols.
## # They claim the lower barrel, a .68 caliber smooth bore?, is
## functional. I
## # would have one myself, but I find they are quite expensive for a
## black powder
## # pistol. I hope this helps!!!!
## #
##
## Cabella's '98 reloading catalog lists the LeMat replica as well. It is
## on sale for $499, including wooden display case.
## Still kinda pricey, I guess, but a real nice ( and unique!) BP gun.
##
#
What about the Thunder five then??
Darklove
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YANKee
#In article <6b5ero$j...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#rtofc...@aol.com (RtofCentre) writes:
#>In article <6b3r5t$f...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#>John.A....@cdc.com (John A. Stovall) writes:
#> #It would not be illegal. I would just be a Short Barrel Shotgun and
#> #be subject to a US$200.00 tax as required under the NFA.
#
# Well...you're right and wrong. In certain states it WOULD be illegal, ie.
# where you can't own class 2 weapontry since Federal statutes take a back seat
# to State law that is more strict . But, the legalities aside; the point is
# moot, as the concept of a LeMat replica in a cartridge gun is an oxymoron. You
# can't have a REPLICA of a gun that never existed. You'd have a new gun that
# looks like a LeMat but does not replicate it. Its sort of like putting a fiber
# glass assault rifle stock on your '94 Winchester ... whats the point?
Does there need to be one?
I say it would be neat to have a combo large cap revolver and 20 gauge.
( I suspect the cylinder capacity might have to be reduced to allow
more metal over the chambers to handle the higher pressures of
smokeless ammo.)
Yes, yes, a cartridge version of the LeMat would technically NOT be
replica, however many *other* cap and ball revolvers were converted to
take cartridges between the end of the Civil War and the introduction
of "factory built" cartridge guns. So there IS some historic precedent
here, unlike the example given with the '94.
Of course the final product would not be a simple 'conversion' but a
whole new gun, as previously noted.
It would be NFA registered as an AOW, not a short barreled shotgun. Any
smoothbore that started life with short barrels is an 'Any Other
Weapon", while a full size shotgun that is cut down is a "Short
Barrelled Shotgun".
The tax difference between the two categories is $195.
Currently it is still possible to register new AOWs ( unlike
machineguns)
There are still States in the USA where you can own pretty much any
type of gun you want, if you can afford it.
I suspect that the main reason that no one has built a cartridge LeMat
has been financial: not enough interest to make it worth the investment
in time and money.
BJay the YANKee
Glenn E. Meyer
If you want to see a nice graphic of a LeMat - go to the state
of Oklahoma page and find the J.M Davis Museum.
Sorry I don't have the URLs but it's not hard to find.
Also I saw in Gun Journal that the prototype LeMat
went for $90000. I will be buying that after the $10000
Luger.
bye
Aaron Shuler
# If the LeMat type would be a short barrelled shotgun -
# why aren't various pistols like the ThunderFive and
# derringers that can shoot 410s considered shotguns?
#
# Some have long barrels for a derringer.
#
# Why are aren't regular handguns with CCI and
# other shot cartridges shotguns?
#
# I recall a 38 spl load by Remington with 3 balls in
# it. Is a 38 revolver firing that round a shotgun?
Your presumption is that these guns you talk about are designed to fire
multiple projectiles. They are not. The 410 guns are actually 45 Colt which
are capable of firing the 410 shotshells. The 38 special and any other shot
load designed to be fired from guns designed for Single Projectile firearms
are also outside the realm of the law on this matter. a gun which fires
only 410 shotshells and is not designed also to fire 45 colt is considered
a shotgun and therefore an NFA gun.
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In article <6bb0fi$3...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, "Glenn E. Meyer"
<gme...@express-news.net> wrote:
Ok - here is my dumb question.
If the LeMat type would be a short barrelled shotgun -
why aren't various pistols like the ThunderFive and
derringers that can shoot 410s considered shotguns?
Some have long barrels for a derringer.
Why are aren't regular handguns with CCI and
other shot cartridges shotguns?
I recall a 38 spl load by Remington with 3 balls in
it. Is a 38 revolver firing that round a shotgun?
Legal eagles - anybody?
====
It's because the barrels of those guns have rifled bores.
According to the BATF, a shotgun is defined as having a smoothbore barrel,
therefore the Thunder Five (a.k.a. Chunder 5) is classified as a pistol.
Silly rule but I wouldn't complain to them about it ;-)
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YANKee
In article <6bb0fi$3...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
"Glenn E. Meyer" <gme...@express-news.net> writes:
# Ok - here is my dumb question.
#
# If the LeMat type would be a short barrelled shotgun -
# why aren't various pistols like the ThunderFive and
# derringers that can shoot 410s considered shotguns?
#
# Some have long barrels for a derringer.
#
# Why are aren't regular handguns with CCI and
# other shot cartridges shotguns?
#
# I recall a 38 spl load by Remington with 3 balls in
# it. Is a 38 revolver firing that round a shotgun?
#
# Legal eagles - anybody?
All of your listed examples have rifled barrels. An AOW or SBS would be
smoothbore.
Take it from me, rifling really messes up the shot pattern.
Not that a short barrelled smoothbore is going to have much of a
pattern to begin with..
The cartridge-LeMat project I was posting on earlier would feature a
smoothbore 20ga bbl under the regular rifled barrel. Being built as a
smoothbore pistol, it would be considered an AOW (= Any Other Weapon)
and transfer on a $5 tax stamp.
Andrew Walkowiak
I'm confused. In civil war times or now, under what circumstances would
you need to shoot nine bad guys, then down a duck with shot?
I don't get it.....
Andrew
Just kidding! I think the LeMat is cool too.
Lee DeRaud
Aaron Shuler wrote:
#
# # derringers that can shoot 410s considered shotguns?
# #
# # Some have long barrels for a derringer.
# #
# # Why are aren't regular handguns with CCI and
# #
# # I recall a 38 spl load by Remington with 3 balls in
#
# Your presumption is that these guns you talk about are designed to fire
# multiple projectiles. They are not. The 410 guns are actually 45 Colt which
# are capable of firing the 410 shotshells. The 38 special and any other shot
# load designed to be fired from guns designed for Single Projectile firearms
# are also outside the realm of the law on this matter. a gun which fires
# only 410 shotshells and is not designed also to fire 45 colt is considered
# a shotgun and therefore an NFA gun.
# --
Dunno offhand whether the ThunderFive is designed for 45Colt
or not but it *is* considered a (highly illegal) short-barrelled
shotgun in California. In Alaska, it's probably just considered
a paperweight :-)
Lee
Pierce Nichols
What about 12-ga flare pistols that you can get at any decent marine
chandlery? It's a break-action pistol that will chamber and fire a 12-ga
round. They're designed for flare rounds, but anyone with enough brain
cells to move can stick a shotshell in it and fire it. And you don't
need a license to buy or own one of these bad boys. The only difference
I can see between it and a sawed-off is that it's bright orange. Anyone
care to tell me what legal loophole this one slides through?
-p
John A. Stovall
On 5 Feb 1998 17:00:36 -0500, Andrew Walkowiak <td...@execpc.com>
wrote:
#
#I'm confused. In civil war times or now, under what circumstances would
#you need to shoot nine bad guys, then down a duck with shot?
#
In a calvary melee, a LaMat was carried by the Last Cavalier, General
J.E.B. Stuart, sir!.
Not my provider’s views.
John Alex Stovall
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Tusking the turf on Mal Paso Mountain.
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Andrew Walls
Glenn E. Meyer wrote:
#
# If the LeMat type would be a short barrelled shotgun -
# why aren't various pistols like the ThunderFive and
# derringers that can shoot 410s considered shotguns?
The pistols you mention have rifled barrels, a shotgun has a smooth bore
therefore the pistols are not regarded as NFA (National Firearms Act)
weapons.
The reproduction LeMat pistol is not regarded as an AOW (Any Other
Weapon) because the NFA only covers cartridge firing guns. Black powder
guns are therefore exempt.
Andrew Walls
Near the arctic circle
Norway
Andrew Walls
YANKee wrote:
[snipped]
But, the legalities aside; the point is
# # moot, as the concept of a LeMat replica in a cartridge gun is an oxymoron. You
# # can't have a REPLICA of a gun that never existed.
There were numerous pinfire LeMat's manufactured as well as a very few
(9?) centrefire LeMat's.
The Other Chris
Lee DeRaud wrote:
#
# #
# # # why aren't various pistols like the ThunderFive and
# # # derringers that can shoot 410s considered shotguns?
# # #
# # # Some have long barrels for a derringer.
# # #
# # # other shot cartridges shotguns?
# # #
# # # I recall a 38 spl load by Remington with 3 balls in
# # # it. Is a 38 revolver firing that round a shotgun?
# #
# # Your presumption is that these guns you talk about are designed to fire
# # are capable of firing the 410 shotshells. The 38 special and any other shot
# # load designed to be fired from guns designed for Single Projectile firearms
# # are also outside the realm of the law on this matter. a gun which fires
# # only 410 shotshells and is not designed also to fire 45 colt is considered
# # a shotgun and therefore an NFA gun.
# # --
# Dunno offhand whether the ThunderFive is designed for 45Colt
# or not but it *is* considered a (highly illegal) short-barrelled
# shotgun in California. In Alaska, it's probably just considered
# a paperweight :-)
#
# Lee
Heck, last time I checked, a 45/410 Thompson barrel was a SBS in The
Peoples Republic of California. Shortly after the Bronson movie with the
"410 derringer came out, people used to come in to our shop in CA and
ask how much. Our answer was usually "$5000 and five years"
The Other Chris
Sk8r Steve
Pierce Nichols wrote:
#
# What about 12-ga flare pistols that you can get at any decent marine
# chandlery? It's a break-action pistol that will chamber and fire a 12-ga
# round. They're designed for flare rounds, but anyone with enough brain
# cells to move can stick a shotshell in it and fire it. And you don't
# need a license to buy or own one of these bad boys. The only difference
# I can see between it and a sawed-off is that it's bright orange. Anyone
# care to tell me what legal loophole this one slides through?
#
My 12-ga flaregun only has a 2" chamber so a shotshell will not fit in
there, AND it's made of plastic so if I did manage to fit and fire a
shot shell i'd blow up in my hand. Which is why I guess if you have a
1/2" pipe and a hammer you don't have a firearm
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Aaron Shuler
# # Dunno offhand whether the ThunderFive is designed for 45Colt
# # or not but it *is* considered a (highly illegal) short-barrelled
# # shotgun in California. In Alaska, it's probably just considered
# # a paperweight :-)
#
# Heck, last time I checked, a 45/410 Thompson barrel was a SBS in The
# Peoples Republic of California. Shortly after the Bronson movie with the
# "410 derringer came out, people used to come in to our shop in CA and
# ask how much. Our answer was usually "$5000 and five years"
Other Chris,
I live in the land of minority elected Democratic Governors and a Veto
Proof Republican state congress. Up here, we just have to deal with Federal
Regs. The BATF cannot touch the 45 colt Contenders that just happen to fire
410 shotshells. Since the gun is under 50 caliber, and therefore a legal
handgun. One could fire slugs from a 410 shell.
Anyhow, if it were true that 45 colt derringers and revolvers were
shotguns, then California would have reason to confiscate all handguns as
shotguns. Any handgun can be made to fire a shotshell and therefore could
be considered a SBS. Hmmm, don't call Mrs. Brady and the Vegetable to see
what their opinion is.
st...@grove.ufl.edu
More disinformation . . .
If a pistol had a rifled barred it is not an NFA weapon. If it has a
smoothbore barrel it is a NFA "smoothbore pistol" ($5 tax stamp) if it has
never had a shotgun stock on it. If it did ever have a stock on it it
would be a short-barreled shotgun ($200 tax stamp).
This is the federal law . . . millage may vary in other places like the
People's Repulic of Kalifornia.
Mike
Joe
this one doesnt slide thru any loophole, because the chamber in those
isnt long enough
to hold a shotgun shell, and even if it were, I wouldnt wanna shoot it!
can you say "grenade"?
Glenn E. Meyer
I remember reading that there is a smith in California who
converts BP gun replicas to centerfire and did a Lemat in
38 SPL. However, I cannot remember his name or what was
done with the shot barrel.
bye
Aaron Shuler
Bill D.
Enough brain cells to move, eh ???
Why don't you go ahead and try this - you may end up with a few less
cells than you have now and you may not be able to move - or at least
see where you are going. I have no idea if a regular shotshell would
blow up the gun or not and I don't care to risk the few cell I have left
to find out.
Flare gun is generally legal when operated in it's intended manner.
If, as I assume you want to shoot a shotshell at something other than
the sky, don't you think that flare shell is going to hurt a LOT ???
Kind'a the ultimate tracer round.
Bill D.
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Pierce Nichols wrote:
#
# What about 12-ga flare pistols that you can get at any decent marine
# chandlery? It's a break-action pistol that will chamber and fire a 12-ga
# round. They're designed for flare rounds, but anyone with enough brain
# cells to move can stick a shotshell in it and fire it. And you don't
# need a license to buy or own one of these bad boys. The only difference
# I can see between it and a sawed-off is that it's bright orange. Anyone
# care to tell me what legal loophole this one slides through?
#
# -p
Bradford Weitzel
Lee DeRaud wrote: Aaron Shuler wrote: If the LeMat type would be a short
barrelled shotgun -why aren't various pistols like the ThunderFive and
derringers that can shoot 410s considered shotguns?
it *is* considered a (highly illegal) short-barrelled shotgun in
California. In Alaska, it's probably just considered a paperweight :-)
Last I read, the Thunder Five was designed for .45 LC, although it can
chamber .410 Shotshells. If memory serves, the barrell was rifled, not
smooth-bored. Matter of fact, I think that an article in GUNS(?) mag
indicated the rifling was cast in.
Brad
Aaron Shuler
# Last I read, the Thunder Five was designed for .45 LC, although it can
# chamber .410 Shotshells. If memory serves, the barrell was rifled, not
# smooth-bored. Matter of fact, I think that an article in GUNS(?) mag
# indicated the rifling was cast in.
Hmmm, I guess the rifling is there for looks anyhow. Consider how far the
45 Colt slug jumps before it hits the rifling and the relative brevity of
the barrel, they shouldn't have much affect on accuracy cast,
hammer-forged, etched, button cut, or filed.
Glenn E. Meyer
It might have been designed for the 45 LC but all the hype
was for the 410 capability. It is one big honger of a gun
for just an 45 LC revolver.
Ever hold one ? Humongous! Ugly.
If I want a 45 - be better off with numerous conventional
45s in revolvers and semi-autos.
410 was the selling point.
Bye
Dan Wilson/Bonnie WIlson
Glenn E. Meyer wrote in message <6bnej2$a...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
#It might have been designed for the 45 LC but all the hype
#was for the 410 capability. It is one big honger of a gun
#for just an 45 LC revolver.
#
#Ever hold one ? Humongous! Ugly.
#
It is also chambered for 45.70
#
Glenn E. Meyer
Check out http://www.shooters.com/thunderfive/index.html
Take away quotes:
1.
45
L.C.,
.410 2
1/2"-3"
(Not
available
in
California)
2.
Own THE best in home protection! Rapid fire .410 shot shell firing
pistol.
Intruders will encounter an unpenetrable wall of lead.
This weapon is also suitable for hikers, campers and other outdoor types
for anti-snake use and other survival situations.
Specifications
Caliber:
.45 Long Colt and .410-bore shotshells or .45-70
Government.
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Me again - so it seems that the advertising for the 410 / 45 LC model
really emphasizes the shotgun aspect and California picked that up
as I think someone posted about the 410 derringers.
The 45.70 is a separate and non 410 model.
bye
William Harvey
Andrew Walkowiak <td...@execpc.com> wrote:
#I'm confused. In civil war times or now, under what circumstances would
#you need to shoot nine bad guys, then down a duck with shot?
#I don't get it.....
I would think that with that short of a barrel, a dozen or so pellets
would make a dandy very close range weapon. If say 2 or 3 rush through
a doorway at almost the same time one shot might take out the
attackers.
#Andrew
#Just kidding! I think the LeMat is cool too.
Bev Clark/Steve Gallacci
In article <6btooc$j...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
William Harvey <wil...@wharvey.win.net> wrote:
#Andrew Walkowiak <td...@execpc.com> wrote:
#
##I'm confused. In civil war times or now, under what circumstances would
##you need to shoot nine bad guys, then down a duck with shot?
#
##I don't get it.....
#
#I would think that with that short of a barrel, a dozen or so pellets
#would make a dandy very close range weapon. If say 2 or 3 rush through
#a doorway at almost the same time one shot might take out the
#attackers.
Having done some reenacting, the idea of a nine-shot+shot load makes all
the sense in the world. Though they are big heavy guns, in a pinch, those
extra chambers means the gun has that many more shots to it before it
becomes a club. Reloading in the middle of repelling a charge is simply
impossible.
Bill Kambic
# #you need to shoot nine bad guys, then down a duck with shot?
#
# #I don't get it.....
#
Every try to hit something with a pistol from the back of a moving
horse? Cowboy Mounted Shooting with LeMats? Now THAT is a thought!
Bill Kambic, Bright Star Farm, Kingston, TN
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/hills/1816
"No man likes to called high smellin’ and low down." Rooster Cogburn.
Andrew Walkowiak
I was just joking. I know the shot barrel is not for waterfowling for
your dinner after downing nine bad guys.
I put the "Just kidding I think the LeMat is coo too. :)" too far down to
be seen on one screen of text apparently. I'm not into black powder, but
if I was, I might buy a LeMat out of sheer novelty.
I agree that the shot charge would be useful for firing into a group of
hostiles, or close-quarters rough-and-tumble. The extra shot bore would be
pretty damn intimidating in the duels or occasional "gambling disputes" of
yesteryear as well.
Andrew
Chuck
# It might have been designed for the 45 LC but all the hype
# was for the 410 capability. It is one big honger of a gun
# for just an 45 LC revolver.
There are outfits who load multiple-projectile loads for various
cartridges... That's all one gets with the.410. I'm sure it can be darn
near duplicated for the .45...
li tung, the devils child.
On 7 Feb 1998 11:20:17 -0500, Joe <jdu...@couriernet.infi.net> wrote:
#this one doesnt slide thru any loophole, because the chamber in those
#isnt long enough
#to hold a shotgun shell, and even if it were, I wouldnt wanna shoot it!
#can you say "grenade"?
#
#
What kinda grenade has a plastic casing?
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Anti-viral software for the brain:
http://ddi.digital.net/~setzerl/OPAR.htm