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peterw...@hotmail.com

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Nov 12, 2009, 7:25:13 PM11/12/09
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Presuming that one is using a heavy barrel bolt action rifle, what is
the effective range of a ,22, Winchester Rimfire Magnum on woodchucks?
What bullet weight is best?

How does this compare with the .17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire? In
particular, is there a distance where the relatively flat trajectory
of the .17 HMR would make it fairly easy to hit a woodchuck, but the
bullet would lack energy for a humane kill?

Thank you,

Peter Wezeman
anti-social Darwinist


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Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley

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Nov 13, 2009, 7:21:53 PM11/13/09
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On Nov 12, 5:25 pm, peterweze...@hotmail.com wrote:
# How does this compare with the .17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire? In
# particular, is there a distance where the relatively flat trajectory
# of the .17 HMR would make it fairly easy to hit a woodchuck, but the
# bullet would lack energy for a humane kill?

There is not much difference between the two

17 HMR muzzle 242fpe 50 yds 174fpe 100 yds 123fpe 150 yds 85fpe
22 Mag. muzzle 322fpe 50 yds 210fpe 100 yds 134fpe 150 yds 89fpe

source http://www.federalpremium.com/products/compare/rimfire_compare.aspx

YoMaster

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Nov 16, 2009, 6:55:28 AM11/16/09
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The 22 mag is great out to 125 yrds & it hits harder than the 17.
You can reach a little further with the 17, but not as hard.

nord...@yahoo.com

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Nov 16, 2009, 9:18:24 PM11/16/09
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# what is
# the effective range of a ,22, Winchester Rimfire Magnum on woodchucks?
#
# How does this compare with the .17 �Hornady Magnum Rimfire? In
# particular, is there a distance where the relatively flat trajectory
# of the .17 HMR would make it fairly easy to hit a woodchuck, but the
# bullet would lack energy for a humane kill?

I have been mightily impressed with the out of the box accuracy of
several 17 HMR rifles - Ruger and Savage in particular. The 17's
trajectory is flatter than most if not all 22 WMRF rounds and the
"Hummer" makes small critters to smaller chunks and larger vermin are
simply turned inside out. A buddy of mine shoots ground squirrels in
a northern California community where the 17 HMR has replaced the 22
LR because the highly frangible 17 caliber bullets present little or
no ricochet risk. There are a few newer 22 magnum rounds loaded with
such bullets but most magnum ammo is not designed to completely come
apart on varmints. If you already own a 22 magnum you may be stuck
shopping for a load that is both highly accurate and highly effective
on varmints. But if you have yet to buy a rimfire pest rifle buy a 17
HMR.

R.M.R

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Nov 20, 2009, 10:34:15 PM11/20/09
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You guys are aware of the HMR 17 Recall notice aren't you?
http://www.remington.com/safety/17_HMR_Ammo_notice/default.asp

Dale Alexander

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Nov 21, 2009, 9:20:23 AM11/21/09
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Thank you for pointing this out. Our club recently had a NRA Small Rifle
Qualification and many of our shooters may have stores of this ammo. I have
sent the website onto our membership.

Dale Alexander
Paradise Rod & Gun Club, Inc.
www.prgclub.org

Doug White

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Nov 21, 2009, 12:27:22 PM11/21/09
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"R.M.R" <para.n...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:he7n3n$smr$1
@news.albasani.net:

# You guys are aware of the HMR 17 Recall notice aren't you?
# http://www.remington.com/safety/17_HMR_Ammo_notice/default.asp

I saw this in the latest Rifleman. It's pretty weird to declare ammo
unsuitable for semi-autos, and to also decide that an entire caliber of
rifle has to be yanked. The only thing I can figure is that the actions
can pull the cartridge out before the pressures have dropped to a safe
level.

I'd love to find out what the whole story is on this one.

Doug White

Ed

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Nov 21, 2009, 5:42:34 PM11/21/09
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#
# # You guys are aware of the HMR 17 Recall notice aren't you?
# # http://www.remington.com/safety/17_HMR_Ammo_notice/default.asp
#
# I saw this in the latest Rifleman. It's pretty weird to declare ammo
# unsuitable for semi-autos, and to also decide that an entire caliber of
# rifle has to be yanked. The only thing I can figure is that the actions
# can pull the cartridge out before the pressures have dropped to a safe
# level.
#
# I'd love to find out what the whole story is on this one.
#

OH GOOD ! Now, maybe Remington can put those unused resources toward
manufacturing more UMC .380 Auto ammo ! < grin >


Ed in Oregon

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Martin H. Eastburn

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:44:46 PM11/21/09
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Or multiple bullets in the barrel due to pressure loss by
quick extraction. That might prove to be exciting.

Might be the scorched face or burnt off mustache!
Martin

Martin H. Eastburn

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:44:47 PM11/21/09
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I read the note: the Supplier of 17 HMR amo .....had notified Remington...

Wonder.
Martin

David R.Birch

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Nov 23, 2009, 12:33:54 PM11/23/09
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I'm not sure what the grin is for, but a friend of mine blew out two
extractors on his PPK/s shooting UMC .380, he didn't realize the ammo
was the problem until the second. I shot the rest of the box in a
locked breech .380 CZ24 and noticed the ammo varied quite a bit in
sound and recoil. I had told him to send the rest back to UMC, but he
just wanted to get rid of it.

David


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nord...@yahoo.com

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Nov 23, 2009, 6:10:51 PM11/23/09
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# You guys are aware of the HMR 17 Recall notice aren't you?
# http://www.remington.com/safety/17_HMR_Ammo_notice/default.asp

If Big Green doesn't want anyone using Remington ammo in other makers'
17 HMR rifles or anyone elses' ammo in Remington 17 HMR rifles I
predict they'll get their wish. Someone is going bonus-less this
Christmas...ouch! Haven't seen a cockup like this since the 9mm
(rimmed) Federal.


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Dillon Pyron

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Dec 1, 2009, 7:50:19 AM12/1/09
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Thus spake Doug White <gwh...@alum.mit.edu> :

> ...

Law school grads? "Product Liability" scares the crap out of anybody
who makes anything. I'll rant about the Toyota recall to anyone, but
I suspect not here.

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clarkm...@gmail.com

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Dec 4, 2009, 10:07:49 PM12/4/09
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I have shot many ground squirrels the same day with 22RF, 17HMR, and
223.

I can handhold 223 with bulk bullets and Blue Dot powder allot cheaper
than 17HMR.
223 shoots allot flatter and hits allot harder than 17HMR.

What does it all mean?
17HMR is for those who do not want to reload.


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haraoi_conal

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Dec 8, 2009, 9:59:19 PM12/8/09
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On Dec 4, 10:07�pm, "clarkmagnu...@gmail.com"
<clarkmagnu...@gmail.com> wrote:
# �I have shot many ground squirrels the same day with 22RF, 17HMR, and
# 223.
#
# I can handhold 223 with bulk bullets and Blue Dot powder allot cheaper
# than 17HMR.
# 223 shoots allot flatter and hits allot harder than 17HMR.
#
# What does it all mean?
# 17HMR is for those who do not want to reload.
#
35-40grn Hornady Amax bullets loaded in 223 with 13grns of Blue Dot is
my prefered woodchuck load for the Vermont farm. I shoot them out of
my $199 handi-rifle. Few things in life are as cheap and simple and
work so well. I think the woodchucks have finally figured out that it
is not worth the price to live under the house.
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