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flattrack38
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A M1911 with plastic in it? That Sir is blasphomy!
nord...@yahoo.com
It's only blasphemy if it isn't a hoax.
If it's not someone's fuzzy foto fever dream then it doesn't have
plastic IN it, it's made OF it.
Gunner Asch
<flatt...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> ...
Well schucks...all my 1911s have plastic in them!
Hogue or Pachmeyer grips
<G>
Gunner
Louis Boyd
# On Dec 20, 12:20 pm, "glock1911.com" <gl...@glock1911.com> wrote:
# > ...
# A M1911 with plastic in it? That Sir is blasphomy!
The problem isn't the plastic. Wilson and Charles Daly make decent
1911's with polymer frames.
But this thing's only relation to a standard 1911 seems to be the four
numbers. Glock is the company that thinks a good trigger has 5.5 lb
release weight with a 1/2" of travel. Gag!
Tom S.
# flattrack38 wrote:
# # On Dec 20, 12:20 pm, "glock1911.com"<gl...@glock1911.com> wrote:
# #> ...
# # A M1911 with plastic in it? That Sir is blasphomy!
#
# The problem isn't the plastic. Wilson and Charles Daly make decent
# 1911's with polymer frames.
# But this thing's only relation to a standard 1911 seems to be the four
# numbers. Glock is the company that thinks a good trigger has 5.5 lb
# release weight with a 1/2" of travel. Gag!
#
And wheel guns don't? :-(
Argent
> ...
Not in single action.
But I smell a hoax. There is no way Glock is going to market a
polymer version of a competing design. Especially one as "retro" as a
1911. It would be admitting defeat and Gaston seems to have enough of
an ego not to do so. I mean, what would Glock say to all those
militaries, agencies and people it sold Glocks to? Or the ones it
didn't? And why on Earth wouldn't you buy a 1911 from companies that
specialize in them rather than Glock?
Louis Boyd
# On 12/21/2009 5:39 AM, Louis Boyd wrote:
# # flattrack38 wrote:
# # # On Dec 20, 12:20 pm, "glock1911.com"<gl...@glock1911.com> wrote:
# # #> ...
# # # A M1911 with plastic in it? That Sir is blasphomy!
# #
# # The problem isn't the plastic. Wilson and Charles Daly make decent
# # But this thing's only relation to a standard 1911 seems to be the four
# # numbers. Glock is the company that thinks a good trigger has 5.5 lb
# # release weight with a 1/2" of travel. Gag!
# #
I see three classes of pistols.
Belly guns with no intent of them being accurate but they're compact and
reliable. They can have terrible triggers and do their job. There are a
lot of hammerless revolvers and pocket pistols in that class. Unreliable
ones are junk. No gun is useful if you don't have it when you need it.
Service pistols. They generally emphasize reliability but have no
intent for them to shoot tiny groups. Their designed to be
man-stoppers at typical ranges up to 25 yards. They are issued by
armies and police departments around the world. The are mostly double
action with long but not necessarily heavy pull. usually have fixed
sights. many have high capacity magazines. Triggers usually have
variable force and over travel. Glocks are in that category as are many
1911s.
Then there are competition and precision pistols. They usually have
adjustable sights and attention is given to accuracy. Special
attention is is given to the triggers which release with minimal travel
and over travel. They may have some take up as a safety feature, but
there will be little or no perceptible trigger movement during and for
several milliseconds after firing. The release is uniform shot to shot
and there is no change in force on the trigger immediately after sear
release. Many 1911s and some revolvers are built to do that or can be
tuned to do so by a decent gunsmith. There are other semi-autos which
have as good of triggers (and some better) but they're not common. Go
to any Bullseye or practical pistol match and see what's being used.
Combat pistols are are available with similar accuracy and are often
carried by some police or military personnel and civilians who care
about accuracy and practice. No pistol makes a person a skilled
marksman. It can only allow them to be.
I have no doubt that Glock has the technical skill to build a good
1911. I just don't think they have the attitude. There are many gun
manufacturers who don't give a damn about putting a good trigger in
their products. Many shooters don't care either. That's their choice.
A good trigger is not the only characteristic of a quality firearm.
Reliability is always most important.
Jim
"Tom S." <tms...@cox.com> wrote in message
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# On 12/21/2009 5:39 AM, Louis Boyd wrote:
# # But this thing's only relation to a standard 1911 seems to be the four
# # numbers. Glock is the company that thinks a good trigger has 5.5 lb
# # release weight with a 1/2" of travel. Gag!
# #
# And wheel guns don't? :-(
Which 1911 is a revolver? Apples with apples....
Hard to beat a revolver's single action for smoothness, especially S&W's.
Tom S.
# "Tom S."<tms...@cox.com> wrote in message
# news:hgnu61$50a$1...@news.albasani.net...
# # On 12/21/2009 5:39 AM, Louis Boyd wrote:
# # # But this thing's only relation to a standard 1911 seems to be the four
# # # numbers. Glock is the company that thinks a good trigger has 5.5 lb
# # # release weight with a 1/2" of travel. Gag!
# # #
# # And wheel guns don't? :-(
# Which 1911 is a revolver? Apples with apples....
#
# Hard to beat a revolver's single action for smoothness, especially S&W's.
#
Ever shot a Colt Python?
Worlds apart from an S&W in either single or double action.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
> ...
Frankly...Im not a big fan of the Pythons trigger pull. I rather have
that little double "hitch" in the Smiths trigger pull. I know that when
the second "hitch" happens..Im a cunt hair away from going "BANG" and
can do a last minute realighnment.
But..shrug...thats just me, after owning both Smiths and Pythons for 40
yrs.
Gunner
Jim
# Ever shot a Colt Python?
# Worlds apart from an S&W in either single or double action.
Liked the double action, wasn't especially impressed with the single action.
Handsome gun, highly overrated considering its comparative cost.
Tom S.
# On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 02:00:51 +0000 (UTC), "Tom S."<tms...@cox.com>
# wrote:
#
# > ...
#
# that little double "hitch" in the Smiths trigger pull. I know that when
# the second "hitch" happens..Im a cunt hair away from going "BANG" and
# can do a last minute realighnment.
#
# But..shrug...thats just me, after owning both Smiths and Pythons for 40
# yrs.
#
In the late 70's, I had a Python and a S&W 19. The Python was my duty gun.
Comparing triggers between them was like comparing a BMW to a Yugo.
Tom S.
# "Tom S."<tms...@cox.com> wrote in message
# news:hgp98j$cu9$1...@news.albasani.net...
# # Ever shot a Colt Python?
# #
# # Worlds apart from an S&W in either single or double action.
#
# Liked the double action, wasn't especially impressed with the single action.
#
# Handsome gun, highly overrated considering its comparative cost.
#
When I bought the Python it was $315 (1976) and a S&W M19 was $275.
The S&W trigger was like sand got into the action and the single action
aspect was still 4 or so pounds, the Python about 2.5 and silky.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
> ...
Which was the Yugo?
Gunner Asch
Louis Boyd
# Comparing triggers between them was like comparing a BMW to a Yugo.
Which was which? ;-)
nord...@yahoo.com
# # #
# # # Worlds apart from an S&W in either single or double action.
# #
# # Liked the double action, wasn't especially impressed with the single action.
# #
# # Handsome gun, highly overrated considering its comparative cost.
#
# When I bought the Python it was $315 (1976) and a S&W M19 was $275.
# The S&W trigger was like sand got into the action and the single action
# aspect was still 4 or so pounds, the Python about 2.5 and silky.
The Python was indeed very nice out of the box but not everyone liked
the stacking effect - the DA got heavier toward the end. In my hands
a well-tuned K or L-frame S&W was easier to shoot well. $0.02
Tom S.
# On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:06:29 +0000 (UTC), "Tom S."<tms...@cox.com>
# wrote:
#
# > ...
#
#
The S&W.
I understand S&W has made improvements, but circa 1976 or so...
Gunner Asch
## # # Ever shot a Colt Python?
## # #
## # # Worlds apart from an S&W in either single or double action.
## #
## # Liked the double action, wasn't especially impressed with the single action.
## #
## # Handsome gun, highly overrated considering its comparative cost.
##
## When I bought the Python it was $315 (1976) and a S&W M19 was $275.
##
## The S&W trigger was like sand got into the action and the single action
## aspect was still 4 or so pounds, the Python about 2.5 and silky.
#
#The Python was indeed very nice out of the box but not everyone liked
#the stacking effect - the DA got heavier toward the end. In my hands
#a well-tuned K or L-frame S&W was easier to shoot well. $0.02
#
My view as well.
Gunner Asch
Larry Caldwell
(nord...@yahoo.com) says...
# The Python was indeed very nice out of the box but not everyone liked
# the stacking effect - the DA got heavier toward the end. In my hands
# a well-tuned K or L-frame S&W was easier to shoot well. $0.02
I only have an early 686 to base an opinion on, but the single action
trigger is very nice. However, if someone wants to send me a Python, I
promise to give it a careful comparison. :)
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nord...@yahoo.com
# # the stacking effect - the DA got heavier toward the end. �In my hands
# # a well-tuned K or L-frame S&W was easier to shoot well.
#
# I only have an early 686 to base an opinion on, but the single action
# trigger is very nice. �However, if someone wants to send me a Python, I
# promise to give it a careful comparison.
I'm sure you're very kind, but careful not to commit too much. An
appropriately thorough test could take years and thousands of
rounds... ; )
RD (The Sandman)
# action aspect was still 4 or so pounds, the Python about 2.5 and
# silky.
If you put some time shooting on the Smith, its action was as good as
any....just not out of the box.
RD (The Sandman)
That makes three. Model 28 HIghway Patrol and two Combat Magnums.
RD (The Sandman)
$2m6$1...@news.albasani.net:
# In article <hguc6m$h06$1...@news.albasani.net>, nord...@yahoo.com
# (nord...@yahoo.com) says...
#
# # The Python was indeed very nice out of the box but not everyone liked
# # the stacking effect - the DA got heavier toward the end. In my hands
# # a well-tuned K or L-frame S&W was easier to shoot well. $0.02
#
# I only have an early 686 to base an opinion on, but the single action
# trigger is very nice. However, if someone wants to send me a Python, I
# promise to give it a careful comparison. :)
#
A very long-lasting comparison. After all, one needs to really, really
shake them out. ;)
Tom S.
# # The S&W trigger was like sand got into the action and the single
# # action aspect was still 4 or so pounds, the Python about 2.5 and
# # silky.
#
# If you put some time shooting on the Smith, its action was as good as
# any....just not out of the box.
#
It was eventually worked on by a S&W trained "mechanic" but never got as
smooth as the Colt out-of-the box.
(For qualification, we had to shoot DA)
RD (The Sandman)
# On 12/24/2009 2:06 PM, RD (The Sandman) wrote:
# # # The S&W trigger was like sand got into the action and the single
# # # action aspect was still 4 or so pounds, the Python about 2.5 and
# # # silky.
# #
# # If you put some time shooting on the Smith, its action was as good as
# # any....just not out of the box.
# #
# It was eventually worked on by a S&W trained "mechanic" but never got
as
# smooth as the Colt out-of-the box.
#
# (For qualification, we had to shoot DA)
As do I for CCW. Both hands, one at a time, double action. Not a state
requirement but one from one of my instructors.