Would somebody explain the primer shortage?
Robert
to get back into it.
I find out I can't buy primers in any local stores. I finally found
some on line at Gun Brokers. Cabelas is out and backordered.
Will somebody explain why there is a shortage of reloading supplies in
this country?
Thanks.
Bob
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> ...
Google "why there is a shortage of reloading supplies" (without the
quotes) and you will find approximately 39,000 opinions.
Don
nord...@yahoo.com
# this country?
The "Global War on Terror" was consuming much of the world's
production of new ammunition, then Barack Obama was elected President
and them as could began hoarding loaded ammunition and components.
clarkm...@gmail.com
positions filled by radially anti gun persons.
Recalling the 1994 AWB that Clinton signed, Obama's election triggered
a run on guns and ammo.
That started the primer and ammo shortage, and then another dynamic
took over....
The 2 problems with primers is:
1) Supply: The primer manufacturers are also ammo manufacturers that
make more profit on the ammo they can make with primers. Now that ammo
demand has doubled, you can guess where the primers go. The primer
manufacturers know that this is a temporary demand, probably to be
followed with a depressed demand. They are not willing to order more
equipment, but they have been running three shifts a day on their
existing equipment for the last year.
2) Demand: Handloaders typically have 1,000 to 4,000 primers on hand,
but once there was a bad primer shortage, handloaders wanted to keep a
life time supply [10,000 to 40,000] on hand.
Clark
Gerald "Brick" Brickwood
"Robert" <hob...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> ...
I'm still searching for a reasonable answer myself. But, so far the only
real reason seems to be that enough people got pushed into panic buying and
bulk buying (whether they really needed the components or ammo or not) that
literally everything in sight got bought up. People are now forced to buy
by the case instead of the brick and supply hasn't caught up even though the
manufacturers claim to be working 24/7 to meet the demand.
I'd like to wring the neck of the guy who thought that he'd have to trade a
tray of primers to get a loaf of bread.
George
# 1) Supply: The primer manufacturers are also ammo manufacturers that
# make more profit on the ammo they can make with primers. Now that ammo
# demand has doubled, you can guess where the primers go. The primer
# manufacturers know that this is a temporary demand, probably to be
# followed with a depressed demand. They are not willing to order more
# equipment, but they have been running three shifts a day on their
# existing equipment for the last year.
The only disagreement I have with your opinion is the word doubled; I would
say that demend is well over that. I have bought primers and ammunition at
the current prices just because they were availible.
George in Las Vegas
pyotr filipivich
2009 22:37:11 +0000 (UTC) did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.guns the following:
:The "Global War on Terror" was consuming much of the world's
:production of new ammunition, then Barack Obama was elected President
:and them as could began hoarding loaded ammunition and components.
Not hoarding" - "stock piling".
Remember, it is : I lay in supplies, you stockpile, they hoard.
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
If you get hit by a train, it isn't the caboose what kills you.
pyotr filipivich
<bri...@frontiernet.net> on or about Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:37:21 +0000
(UTC) did write/type or cause to appear in rec.guns the following:
:only real reason seems to be that enough people got pushed into panic
:buying and bulk buying (whether they really needed the components or
:ammo or not) that literally everything in sight got bought up.
All things considered, that was not an unreasonable approach.
:People are now forced to buy by the case instead of the brick and
:supply hasn't caught up even though the manufacturers claim to be
:working 24/7 to meet the demand.
-
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.
Long Ranger
# I'd like to wring the neck of the guy who thought that he'd have to trade
# a
# tray of primers to get a loaf of bread.
Yeah, it will probably be less than half a tray.
Louis Boyd
# Will somebody explain why there is a shortage of reloading supplies in
# this country?
What shortage? When I heard McCain and Obama were the two candidates I
cashed out half of my 401K and spent it on powder, primers, brass, and
bullets. Sitting around complaining about rising prices sure wouldn't
have helped. Prices may or may not go back down. Ether way I have all
the reloading supplies I'll ever need.
Gunny_2009
# to get back into it.
# I find out I can't buy primers in any local stores. I finally found
# some on line at Gun Brokers. Cabelas is out and backordered.
# Will somebody explain why there is a shortage of reloading supplies in
# this country?
#
# Thanks.
# Bob
It's not as bad as some think. There are a couple of online sites that have
primers at a much more reasonable price than others.
Try these two:
http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/
http://www.wideners.com/
Both frequently have Wolf brand primers (very good quality) for less than
$30 per 1000. Skip the places that are charging $45 or more for primers.
George
# have
# primers at a much more reasonable price than others.
The problem is the Haz-Mat fee; it makes small purchases expensive.
George in Las Vegas
Wayne
<nord...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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## Will somebody explain why there is a shortage of reloading supplies in
# # this country?
#
# The "Global War on Terror" was consuming much of the world's
# production of new ammunition, then Barack Obama was elected President
# and them as could began hoarding loaded ammunition and components.
#
And the state of California was on the verge of passing extremely
restrictive ammunition legislation. The final legislation (signed by
Ahrnold the Weasel) was considerably scaled back from the original bill
wording, but internet sales of ammo and components will be banned. The
effective date of the legislation was pushed back to 2011. So those of us in
California will still be stocking up on ammo/components that are not carried
by local gun stores.
edi...@netpath.net
Carolina - but at marked-up prices.
bill
So if the reason is hoarding, then the gun stores
should be selling more than ever before. The problem
is I don't know of any stores receiving more ammo than
say 5 years ago.
The Feds get first pick, then state and local law
enforcement, and whatever is left after that goes to
the retailers. If the retailers are seeing less
coming in, then it isn't hoarders causing the shortage.
Another factor that I haven't seen talked about is
the availability of military surplus ammo. The surplus
ammo was largely made unavailable to civilians under
Clinton, and neither Bush nor Obama changed that
(of coarse with the Bush/Obama wars, there wouldn't
be surplus anyway). So once the surplus stock dried
up midway through Bush's terms, the ammo supply to
civilians versus damand changed radically.
William
Bluehawk99
"The final legislation (signed by Ahrnold the Weasel) was considerably
scaled back from the original bill wording, but internet sales of ammo
and components will be banned."
Components?? I don't recall anything in that bill that talked about
ammo components...just ammo itself!
Where does it say...components??
MNmineiro
> ...
I can recall 'way back during WW II, that there was a shortage of many
things. And all were cautioned not to be hoarding things that were in
short supply.
Some folks decided that what they would do was to just stock up before
those hoarders caused real shortages.
Gunny_2009
"George" <gk...@cox.net> wrote in message
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# # It's not as bad as some think. There are a couple of online sites that
# # have
# # primers at a much more reasonable price than others.
#
# The problem is the Haz-Mat fee; it makes small purchases expensive.
# George in Las Vegas
#
True. If you are going to order online, make it worthwhile and get enough
to last you a while. You pay only one hazmat fee whether you buy 1,000 or
20,000 so you definitely don't want to order only 1,000. Get with some
reloading friends and consolidate all of your needs into one huge order and
everyone saves.
cavalier
#
# I can recall 'way back during WW II, that there was a shortage of many
# things. �And all were cautioned not to be hoarding things that were in
# short supply.
#
# Some folks decided that what they would do was to just stock up before
# those hoarders caused real shortages.
#
Which is a great example of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Gunny_2009
"cavalier" <cavali...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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# On Dec 16, 3:35 pm, MNmineiro <rfra...@gmail.com> wrote:
# #
# # I can recall 'way back during WW II, that there was a shortage of many
# # short supply.
# #
# # Some folks decided that what they would do was to just stock up before
# #
#
# Which is a great example of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Gawd, how I despise hoarders. So much so that whenever my local gun store
gets any ammo in, I immnediately buy it all and put it in my garage just so
the hoarders don't get it. LOL.
Merry Christmas everyone. I hope Santa brings everyone their favorite gun
and a crate of ammo for each.
zxcvbob
# # # Some folks decided that what they would do was to just stock up before
# # #
# #
# # Which is a great example of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
# Gawd, how I despise hoarders. So much so that whenever my local gun store
# gets any ammo in, I immnediately buy it all and put it in my garage just so
# the hoarders don't get it. LOL.
#
It's just like the Great Toilet Paper Shortage of 1973. (look it up if
you're too young to remember it) ;-)
Bob
Tom S.
# # # Some folks decided that what they would do was to just stock up before
# # #
# #
# # Which is a great example of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
# Gawd, how I despise hoarders. So much so that whenever my local gun store
# gets any ammo in, I immnediately buy it all and put it in my garage just so
# the hoarders don't get it. LOL.
#
I get this unmistakable image of the Judean People's Front, Crack
Suicide Squad....
Byron
stocked with ammo and they had primers on the shelf... Saw small pistol and
rifle.. Didnt pay much attention as I wasnt interested in paying their
current prices..
Gunny_2009
#
# It's just like the Great Toilet Paper Shortage of 1973. (look it up if
#
# Bob
Heck no. I was in the Army then. My company was so short on toilet paper
that I am still cleaning my fingernails. Hee hee.
Dillon Pyron
#It's just like the Great Toilet Paper Shortage of 1973. (look it up if
#you're too young to remember it) ;-)
#
#Bob
Yeah, and you'll find it was crap toilet paper. (no pun intended, but
I just had to use the pun).
DHS bought millions of rounds of .40S&W, but was willing to pay a high
enough price for them. Too high, actually, so we get screwed both
ways. I may have to start carrying a .45 1911 now.
sta...@prolynx.com
# Dunno about other areas but the DFW Cabellas I was in 2 days ago was fully
# stocked with ammo and they had primers on the shelf... Saw small pistol and
# rifle.. Didnt pay much attention as I wasnt interested in paying their
# current prices..
#
Was just in the revived Sportsman's Warehouse yesterday, primers on
the shelf were shotshell, small rifle and small pistol, some magnums
for both sizes. Also had #11 caps, all were out of stock a couple of
weeks back. $30/K for primers, 1K limit per day. Some brass in stock,
had pallets of .223 ammo back in stock. Bullets, ditto, at least for
some weights and calibers. So it looks like things may be easing, at
least until the Big O turns his attention to us.
Stan
Jim
#
# DHS bought millions of rounds of .40S&W, but was willing to pay a high
# enough price for them. �Too high, actually, so we get screwed both
# ways. �I may have to start carrying a .45 1911 now.
Yes, I think the order was for 40 million rounds! What are they
planning for? :(
I already carry a .45 :)
I'm not contributing to the shortage, I've only bought 1000 primers in
the last year. Prices are too high, I stocked up well back when
primers were $80/case.
Tom S.
# On Dec 27, 5:50 pm, Dillon Pyron<dmpy...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
# #
# # DHS bought millions of rounds of .40S&W, but was willing to pay a high
# # ways. I may have to start carrying a .45 1911 now.
#
#
# Yes, I think the order was for 40 million rounds! What are they
# planning for? :(
#
Right wingers and Tea Partiers evidently. :-X
Louis Boyd
# On Dec 27, 5:50 pm, Dillon Pyron <dmpy...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
# # DHS bought millions of rounds of .40S&W,
# Yes, I think the order was for 40 million rounds! What are they
# planning for? :(
Considering that there are about 20,000 DHS agents that's 500 rounds per
agent. Maybe they're going to practice marksmanship. If so that's a
reasonable amount of ammo.
Louis Boyd
# Jim wrote:
# # On Dec 27, 5:50 pm, Dillon Pyron <dmpy...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
# # # DHS bought millions of rounds of .40S&W,
# #
# # Yes, I think the order was for 40 million rounds! What are they
#
# Considering that there are about 20,000 DHS agents that's 500 rounds per
# agent. Maybe they're going to practice marksmanship. If so that's a
# reasonable amount of ammo.
The 20,000 number is just Border Patrol. How many other DHS agents are
authorized to carry firearms on duty? It's not just 40S&W I
frequently see the border patrol carrying ARs in the rural areas of
southern Arizona.
Bluehawk99
"Considering that there are about 20,000 DHS agents that's 500 rounds
Correct me if I'm wrong but 40 Million divided by 20,000 equals 2,000
rounds per DHS agent...not 500
Louis Boyd
# Louis Boyd said:
# "Considering that there are about 20,000 DHS agents that's 500 rounds
# per agent."
#
# Correct me if I'm wrong but 40 Million divided by 20,000 equals 2,000
# rounds per DHS agent...not 500
Your math is fine. In my blindness I read the original post as ten
million, not 40. Maybe like so many other Americans they just wanted to
stock up while they could.
Tom S.
# Louis Boyd said:
# "Considering that there are about 20,000 DHS agents that's 500 rounds
# per agent."
#
# rounds per DHS agent...not 500
#
How many of that 20,000 are clerks, janitors...?
Bluehawk99
�
" How many of that 20,000 are clerks, janitors...?"
Clerks and janitors would not be considered "agents" and certainly
would not be armed.