caliber choice in stake shoot

[henry.s...@gmail.com]

A friend was talking about how a .45ACP Thompson often beats a 9x19mm
MP5 in a stake shoot. I've never seen a stake shoot, but got
wondering if there are characteristics of the .45ACP ammo which would
account for this.

E.g. larger area (about 50% more), great mass, lower velocity

Would these let the .45ACP ammo remove more wood/second?

What do you think? Or better yet, is there any good science?

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<henry.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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#A friend was talking about how a .45ACP Thompson often beats a 9x19mm
# MP5 in a stake shoot. I've never seen a stake shoot, but got
# wondering if there are characteristics of the .45ACP ammo which would
# account for this.
#
# E.g. larger area (about 50% more), great mass, lower velocity
#
# Would these let the .45ACP ammo remove more wood/second?
#
# What do you think? Or better yet, is there any good science?

I have no science for ya, Hank, but your stated points are reasonable, as
long as everyone is shooting the same style of bullet (eg. hollow points).
I'm not sure that you will find a science for this unless there is a
sanctioned sport for stake shooting. ;-p

[Gunny_2009]

<henry.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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# A friend was talking about how a .45ACP Thompson often beats a 9x19mm

# MP5 in a stake shoot. I've never seen a stake shoot, but got
# wondering if there are characteristics of the .45ACP ammo which would
# account for this.
#

# E.g. larger area (about 50% more), great mass, lower velocity
#
# Would these let the .45ACP ammo remove more wood/second?
#
# What do you think? Or better yet, is there any good science?

If you are referring to trying to cut a board in two, then my experiences
have shown that the larger calibers seem to work better. They break the
wood fibers better than the smaller bullets. The smaller bullets seem more
prone to splitting the wood fibers apart, flying through, and then the wood
fibers close in again. The wood fibers have to move farther to let a big
..45 semiwadcutter through than a small pointy FMJ 9mm seem more likely to
tear rather than spread elastically.

[George]

The weight of the Thompson probably provides a benefit since it should stay
in target better.
George in Las Vegas

[Peter Franks]

henry.s...@gmail.com wrote:
# A friend was talking about how a .45ACP Thompson often beats a 9x19mm

# MP5 in a stake shoot....

What is a 'stake shoot'?

[sta...@prolynx.com]

On Dec 14, 5:32�am, "henry.schaf...@gmail.com"
<henry.schaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
# A friend was talking about how a .45ACP Thompson often beats a 9x19mm
# MP5 in a stake shoot. �I've never seen a stake shoot, but got

# wondering if there are characteristics of the .45ACP ammo which would
# account for this.
#

# E.g. larger area (about 50% more), great mass, lower velocity
#
# Would these let the .45ACP ammo remove more wood/second?
#
# What do you think? �Or better yet, is there any good science?
#
I've shot my Thompson carbine at a target backer consisting of a thin
sheet of plywood, it leaves big splintery holes where 9mm FMJs just
leave a nice clean(small) hole. It doesn't like anything besides .45
hardball or the equivalent lead bullet, so haven't been able to use a
semi-wadcutter or the like. So fewer rounds needed for the same
length of "cut".

Stan

[Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley]

If you could get them to feed in a Thompson, 45acp 200gr. semi-
wadcutters (loaded warm) would seem to be the best choice.

[Gunny_2009]

"Peter Franks" <peter....@cox.net> wrote in message
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# henry.s...@gmail.com wrote:
# # A friend was talking about how a .45ACP Thompson often beats a 9x19mm
# # MP5 in a stake shoot....
#
# What is a 'stake shoot'?

At our club, a stake shoot is a 2 x 6 or even a 2 x 8 board about 4 ft long
stuck in the ground about a foot, leaving 3 ft above ground. We put up two,
about 20 ft apart. About half way up are two horizontal stripes painted on,
about 8 inches apart. A team of 3 - 5 shooters lines up side by side in
front of each stake, about 25 ft back. When the horn sounds, each team
starts shooting simultaneously at their team's board, trying to cut it in
two between the two black lines. You will see the area between the two black
stripes starting to disintegrate and at one point, one of the shooters on
each team shifts his fire to higher up on the board to try to encourage it
to break. First team to break their board in two, between the stripes, wins
the round. You will be surprised how many rounds a board can absorb without
breaking. This is especially true for the newbies who show up and brag,
"Just watch this. I brought my highcap nine. On TV it can pick a guy up and
throw him across the room. This board will be no challenge." LOL. In
reality, a 50 - 100 rounds expended is not that uncommon if all they are
using is 9mm. But, the choice of caliber is left up to our shooters. Shoot
watcha brung.

[Bungalow_Bill]

.58 caliber soft lead Maxi-balls do awesome execution on stakes.

[sta...@prolynx.com]

On Dec 31, 6:38�am, Bungalow_Bill <vzezv...@verizon.net> wrote:
# .58 caliber soft lead Maxi-balls do awesome execution on stakes.
#

3" cannon balls are even better. I think the Civil War buffs made
that type of shoot popular.

Stan