Ruger 10/22 quality?
flattrack38
stock. Didn�t really shoot it much until a couple years ago, but use
it allot now. Pretty much the only thing I can shoot because of
shoulder problems. This little rifle has never let me down all these
years. Anyhow I bought my son a new 10/22 for Christmas. Stainless
with the black plastic stock. Price was more then twice what I paid
for mine, but I think I got half the quality. I took it apart to clean
it to get ready for some indoor shooting this weekend. The new 10/22
is horribly made compared to my old one. They no longer polish the
outside of the barrel, it looks like it�s bead blasted, or has that
baked on gray paint. I�m not even sure if it�s really stainless? The
bolt is horrid. Machining marks everywhere. The bolt on my old one is
polished smooth to almost a mirror finish. The trigger on the new one
must be a 8 to 10 pound pull. What happened to the Ruger quality? I
sure hope it shoots better then it looks. I guess we�ll find out
Saturday. Anyone else notice a drop in quality, or is it just all
cosmetic and they still shoot the same?
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#The new 10/22
# is horribly made compared to my old one.
Sounds like it's made in China now, like most everything else sold in
the US these days.
RBnDFW
them immediately after purchase. Perhaps Ruger chose to let the
end-user do all the final work.
sta...@prolynx.com
# I bought a Ruger 10/22 about 15 years ago. Stainless with laminated
# stock. Didn�t really shoot it much until a couple years ago, but use
# it allot now. Pretty much the only thing I can shoot because of
# shoulder problems. This little rifle has never let me down all these
# years. Anyhow I bought my son a new 10/22 for Christmas. Stainless
# with the black plastic stock. Price was more then twice what I paid
# for mine, but I think I got half the quality. I took it apart to clean
# it to get ready for some indoor shooting this weekend. The new 10/22
# is horribly made compared to my old one. They no longer polish the
# outside of the barrel, it looks like it�s bead blasted, or has that
# baked on gray paint. I�m not even sure if it�s really stainless? The
# bolt is horrid. Machining marks everywhere. The bolt on my old one is
# polished smooth to almost a mirror finish. The trigger on the new one
# must be a 8 to 10 pound pull. What happened to the Ruger quality? I
# sure hope it shoots better then it looks. I guess we�ll find out
# Saturday. Anyone else notice a drop in quality, or is it just all
# cosmetic and they still shoot the same?
#
The only thing stainless on those is the barrel and maybe the bolt.
Polishing is a labor-intensive process, a 10/22 is built to a price.
And the price has increased with the drop in the value of the dollar.
I had a Shotgun News from the '80s that had a dealer price on a
Mini-14 of just over $200, latest Big 5 ad was listing a sale price of
$789. As far as shooting the same, Ruger supposedly has invested in
hammer-forging equipment, before that their barrels were all over the
place for accuracy. One vendor had a big barrel full of takeoffs at
one gun show, #1 and 77 barrels. All virtually brand new, they
couldn't hit the side of a barn. Some barely had lands in them. That
was his business, tuning up Ruger rifles. So the old ones weren't
anything to write home about, either. With Rugers, you get what you
pay for. They're still a decent value for the price. Since a lot of
guys change out virtually every 10/22 part except the receiver, Ruger
is probably pocketing the money saved on cosmetics. If it's really
unacceptable, you can send it back to Ruger and they'll make it right.
Stan
edi...@netpath.net
#�As far as shooting the same, Ruger supposedly has invested in
# hammer-forging equipment, before that their barrels were all over the
# place for accuracy. �One vendor had a big barrel full of takeoffs at
# one gun show, #1 and 77 barrels. �All virtually brand new, they
# couldn't hit the side of a barn. Some barely had lands in them. That
# was his business, tuning up Ruger rifles. � So the old ones weren't
# anything to write home about, either. �With Rugers, you get what you
# pay for. �They're still a decent value for the price. �
Their models are ALL over the place in quality and value. Double-
action revolvers, MkII, 10/22 great - but 22/45 and Mini-14 poor in
reliability.
Jim
<sta...@prolynx.com> wrote in message news:hhga21$brp$1...@news.albasani.net...
# On Dec 30, 6:59 am, flattrack38 <flattrac...@mailinator.com> wrote:
# With Rugers, you get what you
# pay for. They're still a decent value for the price.
It could have been a Walmart contract piece as well.
There's usually a W in the serial number when that's the case.
Tom S.
# The only thing stainless on those is the barrel and maybe the bolt.
# And the price has increased with the drop in the value of the dollar.
# I had a Shotgun News from the '80s that had a dealer price on a
# Mini-14 of just over $200, latest Big 5 ad was listing a sale price of
# $789.
#
My 10/22 1976 Bicentennial commemorative was $59.
Ten years ago a smithy did smooth out the trigger for $20.
Mk VII
Jim
#
# Their models are ALL over the place in quality and value. Double-
# action revolvers, MkII, 10/22 great - but 22/45 and Mini-14 poor in
# reliability.
Never had a problem with a 22/45, mine's perfect.
Even the Mini's are reliable, just not particularly accurate.
flattrack38
Well my Son and I took the new 10/22 to the indoor practice range this
afternoon. He shot five rounds off a bench rest at a 50 foot target.
The group was easily covered with a dime, and he wasn't even trying.
Strange thing about it, the group was dead center of the bullseye. I
don't think I've ever seen a new rifle that came from the factory
sighted in dead on. The next five shot group looked like a tiny clover
leaf, even smaller then the first group. He went on to shoot another
100 rounds over the next hour or so without so much as a hic-up. I
guess the Ruger quality is still there, but the looks sure have gone
down hill.
Brigadier
> ...
I guess I've just been lucky a couple of times.
I got a 1022 back in the early 80's that was sweet. I used it almost
exclusively for hunting muskrats and made back what I paid for it 10
times over.
With a cheap 2-7x .22 scope and later with a cheap simmons 3x9 it was
very accurate and consistently took rats out at 80 yrds (head shots).
Later, I put a ramline folding stock on it and carried it fastened to
my pack frame while camping in the hills. When short of cash one
year, I sold it to a buddy and later bought a new one. What a shock,
there was no comparison to the quality of the older rifle. Accuracy
was less than half what my first rifle was and for the first time, I
experienced feed jams on occasion. I've since purchased a very
accurate savage .22 and the ruger sits collecting dust.
On the flip side, I have 2 older Ruger M77 rifles in .243 and .30-06.
I bought the .243 used in the early 80's also. My father purchased
the .30-06 used in the 90s and both are of the old manufacture (70's)
with the tang safety. Both will shoot well sub MOA with good loads
(100gr. hornady interlock in the .243 and 168 gr. sierra in the
30-06). I do need to clean the barrels regularly, though, because
accuracy suffers after a few boxes fired if not.
I also have a pair of single sixes (new model) and a blackhawk. I
have no complaints about them, although they too, are 70's vintage.
I don't care for the safety setup on the new Rugers (just used to a
tang after nearly 50 years) so my last couple purchases have been
brownings.
That's another subject!
Just my $.02
Regards,
Brig
Ray,
may have been a Walmart special. In my life I bought one gun from
Walmart, and it was the same, only because no dealers had them and
pretty sure they were made exclusively for Walmart. With that said I
didn�t notice it being any quality less made than a standard that
could be bought at Slappy Jacks, and not sure if the talk of poor
quality Walmart guns is fact or fiction.
Either way, and back on track, look at other manufactures and see how
their quality has dropped over the years. For instance S&W. What you
get from their so-called custom shop (especially action work) is what
you bought 30 something years ago off the shelf. Now, out of the box
they�re on par with a Taurus for twice the price. It seems the more we
improve technology the lower quality we receive, as prices increase,
only because we�ve become accustom to crap. Nowadays I�m happy if it
says Made In Japan rather than China, what has become of our American
high standards.
One who responded said, he wasn�t even sure if the barrel was really
stainless, well it is, but not like your kitchen sink that is totally
rust proof (unless you use steel wool on it). Without getting into the
different grades of stainless Most stainless gun barrels, unlike your
sink, will attract a magnet as steel would, so if given the right
conditions it will rust as steel may. Ruger in particular do have some
ugly stainless barrels, at least the mini 14�s I�ve seen and one I
shortly owned.
Ray,
(Si vis pacem
para bellum)
RBnDFW
# Either way, and back on track, look at other manufactures and see how
# their quality has dropped over the years. For instance S&W. What you
# get from their so-called custom shop (especially action work) is what
# you bought 30 something years ago off the shelf. Now, out of the box
# they�re on par with a Taurus for twice the price. It seems the more we
# improve technology the lower quality we receive, as prices increase,
# only because we�ve become accustom to crap. Nowadays I�m happy if it
# says Made In Japan rather than China, what has become of our American
# high standards.
I think the rush to CNC for making everything has been part of this
issue. Before CNC there were certain parts that required hand-fitting.
Now you can get "close enough" with accurate machine tools to skip that
last labor-intensive step and install all the parts right off the
machine. MIM production added to that process.
Ray,
part of this
issue. Before CNC there were certain parts that required hand-
fitting.
Now you can get "close enough" with accurate machine tools to skip
that
last labor-intensive step and install all the parts right off the
machine. MIM production added to that process.
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I agree, and also, they are only as good as the programmer. I've
worked on them as an operator and caught quite a few mistakes, not a
good way to make friends but I wasn't going to run crap either. Than
there are the operators that may check a part with calibers only when
the foreman walks in the department, other than that they could care
less. Under the right conditions CNC's are great and in some cases can
out perform any other system, even hand fitting, but the bottom line
is the human factor. Regardless what the method, if "good enough" is
the word of the day than that's what we will receive in the end
product. I believe why hand fitting may of been better is those that
done it as a trade took pride in their work, something of an
endangered species today...
Ray,
(Si vis pacem
para bellum)
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RBnDFW
advance and good surface finish. It's just way to easy to increase
production by increasing tool advance times at the expense of finish.
Just change a couple number in a single line of code, and you go from no
tool marks to obvious tool marks.
Dimensions are the same, but quality is degraded and production time
reduced.