Garden hose
MiamiCuse
from kink free, in fact they kink all the time when you stretch them out.
When you roll them back up you have to keep flipping the hose the right way
so it won't kink.
However, I have a very old hose probably more than 15 years I found in this
garage and it never kinks. It does not kink because it does not flatten not
even a little bit. I think it's made of rubber. Are those better hoses
than the modern day vinyl hoses?
MC
jeff
I remember admiring a Model A, and I asked the owner where he got the
replacement rubber, it was perfect. He said "Replacement, that's original!".
I have a 1" rubber hose that would never think of kinking, of course,
this is a monster.
My guess is that thinner hoses will be more likely to kink, look for
substance, no matter what you get, if this is a concern.
Jeff
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David Hare-Scott
Good point. I have 19mm (3/4in) and 12mm (1/2in) made of the same material,
the thinner kinks much more.
David
Tony Hwang
You bet. Heavy duty industrial/commercial one. I have one and it is so
heavy and kink free but hard to handle.
Ed Pawlowski
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IMO, yes, it is better, but after 15 years it may be deteriorating. If you
want the best possible hose reel, go to www.rapidreel.com After curing
every other type for years, I spent the money and have never been happier
using the hoses and being able to re-wind it easily. .
Stormin Mormon
Hardware, I did buy a roll of canvass and rubber "stores
flat on a reel" hose, but havn't yet used it. I suggest to
get used to twisting the hose as you coil it up on the
ground.
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SteveB
Good hoses are still available. They just cost more. Most people do not
understand the principles behind coiling. Hose is like wire rope. It will
coil, but it doesn't twist very much. Lay out a stretch of steel wire, and
you notice that if you turn one end, the other end turns the same amount.
Weaker things will spin a couple of times before the other end starts to
move. Over time, this bending develops a memory in the tube, and then it
becomes harder to straighten it out.
Figure eight'ing hose will allow storage without twisting. A coil method of
one coil one way, and the next reversed works great, but few can master it.
You can properly coil wire rope using this technique, then pull it all out
straight without a spiral in it. Same for hose.
As for using reels ............ lots of variables. Hoses go onto reels much
differently if they are pressurized than if not pressurized. Some hoses are
weak, and will flatten when rolled up on a reel, and others won't. Then
there's unreeling. Have you left it full of water, and now it has frozen?
Did you reel it up right and even? Reels work pretty good, and there's all
grades, some even with level wind mechanisms.
But knowing the principles of the whole thing help to gain predictable
results.
HTH
Steve
Freckles
I recently replaced two old plastic 50' hoses with two 50' rubber hoses I
bought at Lowes. These new hoses have not kinked, so far.
I found if I coiled the old plastic hoses while they were filled with water,
they coiled much easier and never kinked. Once I had them coiled, I drained
the water off.
My main complaint with the plastic hoses was that they deteriorated very
fast in the hot Texas sun. The rubber hoses, so far, do not seem to be
damaged by the sun.
Freckles
brooklyn1
> "MiamiCuse" wrote:
>I have two of the home depot variety "kink free" garden hoses. They are
>far from kink free, in fact they kink all the time when you stretch them
>out. When you roll them back up you have to keep flipping the hose the
>right way so it won't kink.
All brand new hose is prone to kinking. Hose needs to be broken in, so that
it loses it's factory "memory" (from being tightly wound in its sale mode),
with use it will become softer and more flexible (lower quality hose may
never become soft and flexible, and in fact over time tends to harden). And
when you say "roll them back up" do you mean on the ground or on a hose
reel? Winding hose on the grond automatically causes hose to twist, whech
will caue it to kink in use. It's best to use a hose reel, and still there
is a proper way to wind hose on a reel.
> However, I have a very old hose probably more than 15 years I found in
> this garage and it never kinks. It does not kink because it does not
> flatten not even a little bit. I think it's made of rubber. Are those
> better hoses than the modern day vinyl hoses?
Rubber hoses are not better, they're different... they're more abrasion
resistant and can better withstand being constantly driven over... but they
are less flexible and are much heavier to drag around than vinyl hose. Were
I going to be using a hose mostly over a paved area and/or where there are
sharp protruding objects like inside a factory building, and over
reletively short distances I'd choose rubber... for garden and lawn areas
I'd choose vinyl. Generally for home use vinyl hose is a better choice.
For commercial use rubber hose is generally a better choice; rubber hose
costs more but can withstand the rigors of hard use and abuse much better
than vinyl.
BillGill
hose. If anything ever goes wrong with it you take it back and they
give you a new one. They are heavier, but it is worth it for the fact
that when you pull a kink in one all you have to do is untwist it and
the kink goes away. They cost more, I paid about $35 for my 70 foot
one, but since I won't ever have to buy a replacement for it it is
well worth the price.
Bill
Zeppo
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and it still kink-free and in great shape. I use on of those free standing
reels with a big crank from one of the big home improvement stores. It works
pretty well winding neatly and the hose is enclosed which helps it's
lifespan.
I bought a few more 50' rubber hoses for the front yard and they are pretty
good, but will kink on occasion. I attribute this to the crappy wall-mounted
reel they are on more than the hose themselves. Once we get the furniture we
are holding for my daughter out of the garage later this summer, I''' be
able to put a better reel in the garage for these hoses.
Jon
Pete C.
SteveB wrote:
>
> A coil method of
> one coil one way, and the next reversed works great, but few can master it.
By far the best method to use.
One note though is that once a cable / hose / wire has been abused and
kinked, it won't coil well no matter what technique you use.
Ulysses
I have a black hose from Sears and it's way better than any of the green
hoses I've owned. I also have a SideWinder hose reel. This combination
works for me. You still have to make sure you don't kink the hose, but it's
a small problem instead of a big problem.
Hipupchuck
brooklyn1
I find rubber hose much too heavy to drag around over lawns, especially with
water in it... heavy rubber hose is meant for commercial applications, it
will easily slide over paved areas but not lawn. I can buy 100' lengths of
Swan brand 5/8" hose at Lowes at end of season for under $10. Since I live
where winters are very cold I drain my hoses and store them reel and all in
a barn. During warm weather my hoses are outdoors but the reels are set in
a shaded area... sun is a killer of plastics and rubber. Always remember to
close the bib valve and open the nozzle end before winding on the reel,
leaving a hose under pressure greatly shortens its life... even with the
supply turned off if the hose is filled and in the sun the water will expand
and damage the hose, always leave the nozzle open while winding so that the
hose drains... this also places much less stress on your hose reel, a filled
hose is a lot heavier than one realizes. It's best to wind less hose than a
reel's rating, by carring less weight the reel will last a lot longer, and
so will the hose... the portion of hose at the core of the reel will crush,
and if rarely used will be apt to harden and rot... for the rare times you
need a longer hose it's better to simply screw on an extra length, then
remove it when done. Most folks will have at least two lenghths of hose on
a reel, it's a good idea to rotate the lengths each season. If you're short
a hose bib it's better to connect a second reel with a "y" fitting and a
length of rubber hose tucked into the foundation than to overload a reel
with more hose. Never leave a hose lying stretched out in the sun, put it
back on its reel directly after use... and wind neatly with no crossing, and
wind loosely, if a hose is wound in a stretched mode it will be damaged, it
will kink because stretching will give hose an oval cross section, and its
life will be greatly shortened... bring your hose to the reel before winding
rather than use the reel to drag the full length of hose across the ground;
this will save your hose, your reel, and your arm. I like the heavy duty
Swan brand hose, it's well made so it lasts a long time (and has a lifetime
guarantee), and I especially like its solid machined brass couplings, formed
brass is thinner and more prone to deform and therefore leak. Replace all
hose gaskets each season, it's a lot cheaper to spend 10� on a new gasket
than to over tighten and ruin the coupling... if you find yourself needing a
pair of pliers to tighten hose couplings then you need new gaskets, hose
couplings should only be hand tightened. Some people flip gaskets to use
the other side but then they typically need tightening with pliers, false
economy. Don't buy too many hose gaskets in advance, they will harden with
age and become useless.
http://www.swanhose.com/hose.shtml
I live near the world's leading reel company but I think their garden hose
reels are just too pricey for home use.
Ed Pawlowski
"brooklyn1" <grave...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> I live near the world's leading reel company but I think their garden hose
> reels are just too pricey for home use.
>
> http://www.hannay.com/
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Never saw them before. Look good but pricey at $339. A couple of years ago
I went with www.rapidreel.com. Not cheap either, but works great. Hose
does not kink and unwinds and winds easily. The one I have was $179 but
they do have less expensive models.
Don't waste your money on the $30 plastic jobs at the big box stores.
AZ Nomad
I'd rather use those plastic jobs. They last > 5 years. The cost of a
$180 model will never be recouped. I have better places to put
$150.
brooklyn1
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Everything is being made cheaper except for prices. I bought three of those
plastic hose reels at Lowes 7 years ago for $20 each and they're still going
strong. I bought a similar one for my tenant a little over a year ago that
cost $30 and it cracked after a year... it's still usable but it won't last
much longer... the plastic is less than half the thickness of my older ones.
$339 is way too much, but so is $179... I don't think a decent quality
homeowner type hose reel should cost more than $50.
Ed Pawlowski
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Good for you. IMO, the plastic jobs are crap, aggravating to use, and
don't last more than a year or two. I'm willing to pay for convenience and
quality. I can wind my hose up in seconds and smoothly, something a plastic
reel never could achieve. We have choices, mine differs from yours.
Zootal
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Problem with the el-cheapo Wal-Mart/Home-Depot/Costco hoses (yes, even
Costco sells these piece of crap hoses) is that it is so very easy to kink
them. And as many here have pointed out, once it kinks, it will keep kinking
in the same place. I have several of them that I keep on the ground in my
garden - I don't coil them up when done, they stay in place where I need
them and I just drag them around as needed. And the !@#$ things kink so
easly I'm ready to throw the whole lot of them in the trash and go buy an
industrial quality hose that I can use without kinking....
SteveB
"Zootal" <use...@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message
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My epiphany came when I had a driveway put in. The company crushed my hose
in front of the house. They bought me another. A Goodyear 1" black 75
footer with nice cast brass fittings. I tell you what, that hose was
probably $50 or more. More than I would have ever spent. It's still going
strong after five years, and doesn't look used. I've bought a couple since
then, and there's just no comparison. With the money I've spent for shitty
hoses, I could have good ones everywhere I have hoses. The end sprayers
thread on so much better, and the hose bibb connectors don't leak, too.
Steve
Zootal
> come with a lifetime warranty. I've had my 120 foot hose replaced
> three times now. No questions asked. It's even easier now in the
> modern day with digital. I simply cut both ends off and take a photo
> and they send me a new hose. I am certain most people do not take
> advantage of this service. So remember, Gilmore hoses, watering
> tools, sprinklers, timers...all have a Lifetime Warranty version. Just
> look on the packaging.
> Victoria
Meh. I'd rather have a good quality product then a piece of junk that needs
replacing periodically. A warranty doesn't do me any good when I have a
broken tool that I need now and the stores are closed until Monday. Case in
point - I made the mistake of buying a cheap off-brand tiller (you think I
would have learned by now to NEVER buy cheap off-brand products). After two
years the handle breaks. Replacement? No problem! Just wait 5 weeks for us
to get one from the factory. Spring...ground is dry, but rain is coming next
week. Till the ground now or wait another month or two for another break in
the rain. And my tiller is broken and the best warranty in the world does me
no good because I bought a cheap made in China plastic piece of crap and it
takes 5 weeks to get a replacement handle. Moral of the story. Never buy
cheap plastic made in China (or made anywhere else for that matter) crap.
Fork out the bucks for something good so it doesn't bite you later.
Mark Anderson
> Moral of the story. Never buy
> cheap plastic made in China (or made anywhere else for that matter)
> crap. Fork out the bucks for something good so it doesn't bite you
> later.
While that may true for complicated equipment with motors like tillers,
lawnmowers, and snow blowers that's not the case for simple things like
hoses. Pity the fool who buys the cheap snow blower and spends space
storing it all summer only to have it crap out during the first blizzard.
A hose is kind of hard to screw up manufacturing wise and if it does break
they're trivial to fix with splices. I only buy the cheapest hoses sold
and my hoses go through the most brutal environmental conditions on my
rooftop garden. They stay up there year round and suffer intense heat
sitting on a flat rubber roof in the summer to intense sub zero cold
during the winter. Only twice in seven years did a bubble appear in the
middle one of my main transfer hose that needed to be cut out but that
only costs a few dollars each time. Sometimes leaks pop at ends of
tributary watering garden hoses due to stress from changing out watering
wands but then again, that's trivial and cheap to fix as well. Why spend
$50 on a hose when there's one for $20? The thing I do buy quality are
hose splices, new ends, and splitters, I only get the copper stuff. The
plastic splitters and splices never lasted more than a week in my garden.
I can't believe some of you people get warranties for something as simple
as a hose and are organized enough to keep track of your hose warranty.
I'd rather fix the damn hose myself than even drive to some big box store,
stand in line, and explain to some bored clerk that my hose is broke and I
want a new one. Actually, I'd be kind of embarrassed doing something like
that. Some people, however, have no shame LOL.
brooklyn1
few bucks one can easily replace a garden hose with a quick trip to any
store that sells gardening stuff. A tiller is not so inexpensive to replace
(although were I in your spot I'd have rented one for the day). The moral
is not about cheap price so much as it is about never buy machinery except
from a reliable service center nearby that stocks the parts for and services
what it sells. I bought my tiller from the Authorized dealership in town
that sells all sorts of farming equipment including huge tractors... when a
belt broke on my practically new tiller requiring a couple days wait for a
new one to ship they delivered a loaner tiller right to my door, and picked
it up three days later when they brought the new belt, installed and test
ran it. Never buy mechanical equipment except from a reliable dealership
that services what they sell. I would never buy a new tiller, mower,
chainsaw, snowblower and such from a big box hardware just because it's $30
cheaper.
brooklyn1
That they have no shame is right... 99.9 percent of garden hose failure is
due to user abuse, which is very easy to ascertain, at least you are honest
enough to admit that you abuse your garden hoses. When the big box stores
replace garden hoses (and other merchandise) under warranty no questions
asked it's really for customer good will. The big stores have an agreement
with the manufacturers to share the loss., and they know that the products
are abused but they sell enough volume that the loss is spread amongst all
who buy those products by selling at higher prices. The honest consumers
get hosed in all orifices, wealth has been spread around for many years,
losses have also been spread around for just as long, if not longer... such
policies are nothing new but of late the greed factor has crossed the line
and so there'll be hell to pay when it all backfires. Only individuals can
decide what level of charity/good will is comfortable and a good cause, but
when people are forced to give charity to the undeserving they simply stop
giving anything. It's by no accident that Democrat and Depression begin
with the same letter, same as Republican and Revolution.
Bill who putters
"brooklyn1" <grave...@verizon.net> wrote:
> It's by no accident that Democrat and Depression begin
> with the same letter, same as Republican and Revolution.
I'd like to thank you for impetus to look about and found
<http://www.hyperhistory.com/online_n2/History_n2/a.html>
NEAT.
Bill who thinks history always written by the victor
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Higgs Boson
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I, too, bought a Goodyear 5/8" rubber hose at (sob!) Home Despot.
(Wish I'd thought of Sears!)
It has a much better brass fitting than the ? brand which I returned
to H.D.
because it leaked at the faucet connection. But to my surprise, the
new
rubber hose kinks much more than the no-name hose that I returned.
Downside of this Goodyear hose is that to use the warranty, you have
to send the whole (*&&^%^ hose back, not just both end connectors, as
with Gilmore
and maybe other brands. Who the hell is going to pay a fortune
to ship a ton of hose to wherever? Again, wish I'd thought of Sears
where I could just walk it in.
Other downside of Goodyear hose is that it kinks a lot. I may have
to try Steve's
figure -8 solution, though the storage area doesn't lend itself,
and I'd have to retrain the gardener.
Sigh!
Pers.
Billy
<dad2dbf7-49ab-4d29...@t13g2000yqt.googlegroups.com>,
Higgs Boson <hypa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd have to retrain the gardener.
"I'd have to retrain the gardener!"
OK, garden owners, get your lemonade, umbrellas, and whip, and
get to gardening.
--
- Billy
There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and
find out for themselves.
Will Rogers
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Mark Anderson
> It's by no accident that Democrat and Depression begin with the same
> letter, same as Republican and Revolution.
I too find it incredulous that the Democrats hoisted Herbert Hoover into
the Presidency.
harry k
> I have two of the home depot variety "kink free" garden hoses. They are far
> from kink free, in fact they kink all the time when you stretch them out.
> When you roll them back up you have to keep flipping the hose the right way
> so it won't kink.
>
> However, I have a very old hose probably more than 15 years I found in this
> garage and it never kinks. It does not kink because it does not flatten not
> even a little bit. I think it's made of rubber. Are those better hoses
> than the modern day vinyl hoses?
>
> MC
I have had quality ones, cheap ones and medium ones. All kinked and
once kinked, always kinked. My solution?
The yellow ell cheapos (I get 'em at Wal Mart). Yes they kink but are
easily unkinked, usually just by walking down them and kicking them.
They also don't kink in the same places. About the same amoutn of
kinks as a heavy duty one but the fooling around unkinking beats them
hands down.
Harry K