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Marshall Smith

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Jun 6, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/6/95
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I am interested in purchasing some landscaping software (Windows based).
I would like a CDROM based package that has a lot of info on plants and
trees (proper care, pictures, etc.) and helps you select the best plant
for an area. Any suggestions? Any I should stay away from?

Thanks,

Marshall

Danny Low

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Jun 6, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/6/95
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Marshall Smith (r.m....@larc.nasa.gov) wrote:
: I am interested in purchasing some landscaping software (Windows based).
: I would like a CDROM based package that has a lot of info on plants and
: trees (proper care, pictures, etc.) and helps you select the best plant
: for an area. Any suggestions? Any I should stay away from?

The best CDROM I have ever found on the subject is the new Sunset
WESTERN Garden CDROM but I suspect that you might find that of
limited use since you appear to be east of the Mississippi.
For people west of the Mississippi, the book has been the
definitive gardening reference book. It is superior to
all the CDROMs I have checked out and their CDROM seems
to have all the data in the book plus some extras.

The Garden Encylopedia would be my second choice. It is not
as complete but it does cover the whole USA. The Better Homes
and Garden CDROM is also OK but does not have anywhere near as
good a search capability as the Sunset or GE CDROMs.

Danny Low
"Question Authority and the Authorities will question You"
Valley of Hearts Delight, Silicon Valley
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Peter Benjamin Sharvy

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dl...@ppg01.sc.hp.com (Danny Low) writes:

>The best CDROM I have ever found on the subject is the new Sunset
>WESTERN Garden CDROM but I suspect that you might find that of
>limited use since you appear to be east of the Mississippi.
>For people west of the Mississippi, the book has been the
>definitive gardening reference book. It is superior to
>all the CDROMs I have checked out and their CDROM seems
>to have all the data in the book plus some extras.

>The Garden Encylopedia would be my second choice. It is not
>as complete but it does cover the whole USA. The Better Homes
>and Garden CDROM is also OK but does not have anywhere near as
>good a search capability as the Sunset or GE CDROMs.


Good Lord, you again. Anyway, how much do these cost?

Donovan White

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Jun 7, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/7/95
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Donovan White

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r.m....@larc.nasa.gov (Marshall Smith) wrote:
>I am interested in purchasing some landscaping software (Windows based).
>I would like a CDROM based package that has a lot of info on plants and
>trees (proper care, pictures, etc.) and helps you select the best plant
>for an area.

I've looked at two Books That Work titles - Garden Encyclopedia and 3D Landscape. I
just got a catalog from them that says they're having a buy two, get one free sale.

Garden Encyclopedia features color pictures of the plants and lets you make up lists
as you work. I used it to plant my garden and it worked pretty good. If you're
working on individual gardens, as I did, I'd use this one.

3D Landscape lets you develop a map of your land that shows different elevations. If
you're starting from scratch, this is the one to get.

Donovan White

Donovan White

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Jun 7, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/7/95
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I'm not having a good night, tonight. I forgot to post the phone number.

Books That Work - publishers of Garden Encyclopedia and 3D Landscape CD-ROMs - can
be reached at 800-724-8454 x129.

Donovan White


B. Dillon

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Jun 8, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/8/95
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You might take a look at "LandDesigner, Multi-media for Gardeners" which
has a CD-Rom and is windows based. With this package you can design,
view over 1,000 photo images from White Flower Farm, and list to learn
how to pronounce plan t names. I has an on-line library and even an
order form for White Flower Farm. It doesn't (as far as I know)
suggestion plants for certain - you may have to research that on your own
- call your extension service in your local area - But I've had landscape
software before and I liked this one. I think it was about $50.00. If
you can't find it locally, it is in the White Flower Farm catalogue.
Write me if you have questions. bdi...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu


Marion Schiphorst

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Jun 8, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/8/95
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In article <3r5rp8$8...@news.iii.net> Donovan White <dwh...@iii.net> writes:
>From: Donovan White <dwh...@iii.net>
>Subject: Re: Landscape Software
>Date: 8 Jun 1995 03:45:24 GMT

>sha...@gladstone.uoregon.edu (Peter Benjamin Sharvy) wrote:
>
>3D Landscape appears to go for $69.95.
>Garden Encyclopedia costs $39.95


>Books That Work - publishers of Garden Encyclopedia and 3D Landscape CD-ROMs - can
>be reached at 800-724-8454 x129.
>
> Donovan White
>

Hallo,
Do you know if they have an email address and if maybe those CD-ROM's are
available for people overseas? I live in Holland and am interested in them.
Please reply to my email address:
m.e.sch...@pobox.ruu.nl
Thanks a lot,
Marion

Donovan White

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Jun 8, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/8/95
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sha...@gladstone.uoregon.edu (Peter Benjamin Sharvy) wrote:

>Good Lord, you again. Anyway, how much do these cost?

You weren't talking about me, but since I've got the catalog right in front of me,
I'll pass along the prices. Keep in mind that they're offering a buy 2 get one of
something else free sale.

Tami Davis

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Jun 8, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/8/95
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In article <r.m.smith-060...@snoopy.larc.nasa.gov>,
r.m....@larc.nasa.gov (Marshall Smith) wrote:

>From: r.m....@larc.nasa.gov (Marshall Smith)
>Subject: Landscape Software
>Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 10:56:11 -0500
>
>I am interested in purchasing some landscaping software (Windows based).
>I would like a CDROM based package that has a lot of info on plants and
>trees (proper care, pictures, etc.) and helps you select the best plant
>for an area. Any suggestions? Any I should stay away from?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Marshall
Marshall,
We bought 3-D landscape, the program is easy to use as far as laying out
the lot and all however, I am a little dissatisifed with the plant data
base. I fell like it's design is gaered more toward hardscapes
(structures etc.) than softscapes (plants). The other one we looked at
was Land Designer (I think) put out by White flower Farms. It had quite
an extensive plant base along with alot more plant symbols and included
the pronuncation if you have a sound card. It appeared to be more awkard
to use. The ratings on both were really good in the computer magazines.
Also, Land Desinger dosn't show your work in 3-D. I think for myself, I
may end up with 2 programs. Another one I 'd like to look at is Gardens
in Time, I saw a post here for beta testing (it's over now, but the is
an internet address for a "demo" of the program. It appears to be geared
toward flower garden designs the graphics look GREAT and it does show
3-D. I havn't seen any reviews on it & am still looking for it in the
software stores (don't think it's released yet). Just my own personal
findings on the search. Let me know what you end up getting & the pros &
cons on it.
Tami
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Tami Davis

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Jun 9, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/9/95
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In article <r.m.smith-060...@snoopy.larc.nasa.gov>, r.m....@larc.nasa.gov (Marshall Smith) says:
>
>I am interested in purchasing some landscaping software (Windows based).
>I would like a CDROM based package that has a lot of info on plants and
>trees (proper care, pictures, etc.) and helps you select the best plant
>for an area. Any suggestions? Any I should stay away from?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Marshall


Marshall
I had the name of the software company wrong on my previous post.
Land Designer is put out by Green Thumb/Soft Key not White Flower Farms.:)
Tami

Donovan White

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Jun 9, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/9/95
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m.e.sch...@pobox.ruu.nl (Marion Schiphorst) wrote:

>
>>Books That Work - publishers of Garden Encyclopedia and 3D Landscape CD-ROMs - can
>>be reached at 800-724-8454 x129.
>>

>Do you know if they have an email address and if maybe those CD-ROM's are
>available for people overseas? I live in Holland and am interested in them.

Books That Work has a web site - http://www.btw.com

They will also take email at sa...@btw.com

Hope this helps.

Donovan White

Marion Schiphorst

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Jun 9, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/9/95
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In article <258@zephyr_bbs.win.net> TDavis@zephyr_bbs.win.net (Tami Davis) writes:
>From: TDavis@zephyr_bbs.win.net (Tami Davis)
>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 22:00:56
>Subject: Re: Landscape Software

>In article <r.m.smith-060...@snoopy.larc.nasa.gov>,


>r.m....@larc.nasa.gov (Marshall Smith) wrote:
>
>>From: r.m....@larc.nasa.gov (Marshall Smith)
>>Subject: Landscape Software
>>Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 10:56:11 -0500


>We bought 3-D landscape, the program is easy to use as far as laying out

>the lot and all however,). The other one we looked at


>was Land Designer (I think) put out by White flower Farms.

>Tami Davis

> Tami,
Can you tell me if there is a possibility to work with the metric system in
these landscaping programs? I looked at the demo from 3-D-Landscape and it
looks really nice, but I cannot think in feet and inches (stupid Dutch! :-(
).Also, can you add your own plants to the database?Thanks,
Marion, Utrecht, Holland


John Poster

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Jun 9, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/9/95
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>
>r.m....@larc.nasa.gov (Marshall Smith) wrote:
>>I am interested in purchasing some landscaping software (Windows based).
>>I would like a CDROM based package that has a lot of info on plants and
>>trees (proper care, pictures, etc.) and helps you select the best plant
>>for an area.
>

FYI.. a recent issue of "Computer Life" had a review of several
of these software packages. Its a pretty new magazine, but I like it.
There were some packages better if you grew mainly vegetables, and
others better for ornamental landscaping.


Kathleen Snyder

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Jun 12, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/12/95
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DW>Books That Work - publishers of Garden Encyclopedia and 3D Landscape CD-ROMs

>be reached at 800-724-8454 x129.


I just bought Better Homes and Gardens "Complete guide to Gardening" on
CD ROM for 39. It came with a huge 550 page beautifully illustrated book
when you aren't near your computer. The software lets you pick your
garden type, herbs, fragrant, shade, sunny, vegie,etc...suggests
annuals, trees, perrenials, vines etc according to your Climate Zone.
6000 plants are featured.They even have greenhouse gardening information
and a mini greenhouse you can build. Beautiful illustrations and they
talk you through all the pruning, planting, amd so on. You even have an
almanac to record when you planted harvested, and all the little things
you WANT to do are on a reminder calendar so you won't forget what and
when. And you can print it out. Excellent click and go format for the
computer scare-d-cats, too.
WORTH EVERY PENNY!
Kathleen
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Kathleen Snyder

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Brigdit

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Jun 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/13/95
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Has anyone tried out something called 3D Landescape? It Builds your, hose,
& surounding yard in 3D. Is rotatable, & can be used to show how the
plantings will look mature. I'm trying to find out how difficult it is to
use

Love, luck & Lolipops
Joanna

Marion Schiphorst

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Jun 14, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/14/95
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kathlee...@lunatic.com (Kathleen Snyder) wrote:


>DW>Books That Work - publishers of Garden Encyclopedia and 3D Landscape CD-ROMs
>>be reached at 800-724-8454 x129.


>I just bought Better Homes and Gardens "Complete guide to Gardening" on

>Kathleen
>---
Kathleen,
This CD-ROM sounds too good to be true. Do you know if it is available
through Internet? And if you can set it up to work with the metric
system? I live in Holland and can not think in inches and feet.
Thanks for the info,
Marion, Utrecht, The Netherlands


Brigdit

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Jun 14, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/14/95
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Deborah Adair

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I bought 3-D Landscape a few months ago. It's pretty easy to use, but
but it does take some time to draw a complete design with it.
I found it lacking some features that I really would have liked:

Not enough landscape "elements" -- there aren't very many different
representations of plants, trees, etc., and there's no way to add
your own. (I knew this when I bought it, and figured it wasn't a big
deal, but it is rather limiting.)

No way to change the color of most elements -- makes for a very "green"
looking landscape.

Common command-key combinations missing, and if I remember right, it's
lacking in the undo, copy, paste area.

Doesn't draw curves -- you can sort of create curves by adding control
points to straight lines, but it's tedious and inexact. (I knew this
before I bought it too, but didn't realize just how many curves my
design was going to use. Simple curves are easy, things like a
free-form pond are next to impossible to draw accurately.)

You can't enter exact dimensions for elements, you have to draw them
the appropriate length. Really a bummer when you're adding elements
like fences, porches, and driveways that have exact dimensions.

In all, I was a little disappointed with the landscape design part of
package -- though it did help to get an idea of the shade and sun
patterns in the yard and was fun to play with.

On the other hand, I was quite impressed with the multimedia "book"
that comes with the package. It's one of the best implementations of
this sort of thing that I've seen (though I haven't checked out the
Western Garden one yet). Lots of useful info, and really nice use of
animation and graphics to show how to do common projects. (Made me want
to go to work for Books that Work, this stuff looks fun. :-) )

Brigdit

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Deborah Adair

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bri...@aol.com (Brigdit) wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried out something called 3D Landescape? It Builds your, hose,
> & surounding yard in 3D. Is rotatable, & can be used to show how the
> plantings will look mature. I'm trying to find out how difficult it is to
> use
>
> Love, luck & Lolipops
> Joanna

I bought 3-D Landscape a few months ago. It's pretty easy to use, but

Daning Ren

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Jun 15, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/15/95
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Sorry for this test

Pat Cunningham

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Jun 15, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/15/95
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Go to the http://www.pathfinder.com on the WWW go to the Virtual Garden
there. They have a really great feature where you put in your
zone, what you favor as far as plants, your soil conditions, shade, etc
and it will pick out plants for you, give you detailed pictures and
articlses to read on them all on line and free. its great!!


Lee Crampton

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Jun 16, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/16/95
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In article: <50615063616$85...@trinet.wa.com> Brigdit
<bri...@trinet.wa.com> writes:
> Has anyone tried out something called 3D Landescape? It Builds your, hose,
> & surounding yard in 3D.
> Love, luck & Lolipops ------------------------^^
> Joanna Now I like software that can
> take into account the humble
> garden hose.
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Diana Politika

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Jun 19, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/19/95
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Yup. I bought the 3D Landscaper program. It's OK for the price. You
can't get into too much detail, as in FINE detail, but it gives the
general idea. Our lot is 150 feet deep and I can't seem to get that
particular dimesion on it. The house is on a slope and this program
allows for hills and variations to be built into what you're planning.
It does not go into detail of particular plants, such as their names, so
you have to know the general growth habits to make your selections. I'm
also in the middle of my season and haven't had lots of time to fool
around with it. I've spent aobut 3 hours with it. I'm impressed. Give
it a try. We have a split level home, BTW, and you can't do that very
well on the program. At least to my knowledge.

diana.p...@tenforward.com

Dianne

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Jun 19, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/19/95
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>Yup. I bought the 3D Landscaper program. It's OK for the price. You
>can't get into too much detail, as in FINE detail, but it gives the
>general idea. Our lot is 150 feet deep and I can't seem to get that
>particular dimesion on it.

Does the program limit the size that you can define? I have 2 1/2 acres and have been
thinking about getting something to plan the entire area.


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