Landscape rose?
Lovdabluz
between my house and a walkway. I would like to use roses but I don't really
care to see the canes, would prefer something more mounding and flowing, will
Simplicity do this for me? If not can someone give me a few suggestions, I
would like to keep the height below 4 ft. if at all possible. Do any of you
grow this "hedge rose" is it scented? Does it blackspot easily? I live in zone
9a Louisiana.
Denise
Artf64
My advice - don't do it. I have never seen a "hedge" of simplicity roses that
looked good - if you will notice in the catalogue they are photographed up
against a wall which is the only reason they appear to have any structure at
all. If you want a hedge - build a low fence and grow climbers down it
perennials in front and back of it. A single row of freestanding roses is just
not attractive from a design standpoint. Especially HT's or Floribundas. If
you feel you must use a single row try a shrub rose like Mary Rose or Heritage.
Or do a long bed of roses 3 or 5 deep. Simplicity isn't even considered a
very good rose by many - that should tell you something. It is more of a
marketing ploy than anything else.
Ann
Frances Smithson
it should look good but never has. It blooms quite heavily but gets
blackspot early in the spring and loses most of its leaves early. It is
not in a place where it can be easily sprayed. I'm sure you have even
more humidity in Louisiana than we have in the Washington, DC area so
they wouldn't stand a chance without lots of spraying.
Frances
Gaithersburg, MD
Zones 6/7
NEDULUS
short rugosas or Buck roses. Frankly I am partial to the rugosas because they
are virtually immune to blackspot and remain lush while the more conventional
HT or floribundas stand naked to the world.
Good luck !!
Colette Tremblay
ft, with a very full and rounded shape. It has 2 to 3 blooming cycles
per season (our summers are short), and the flowers are intensely
fuchsia and wonderfully scented. However, although blackspot has never
been a serious problem for me, I think RdeR is more susceptible to it in
other climates.
Donna
says...
This is so weird. Rugosas are supposed to be so vigorous and disease-free and
shade-tolerant and I am just having a terrible time with them. I don't get it.
Pat Walker
seen one hedge that was pretty spectacular, I didn't see it up close.
Simplicity's flowers are so formless to be almost nothing. Even me, a singles
and semidoubles fan, can't find anything to appreciate in them. I can think
of DOZENS of roses I would rather try for a hedge. And being in zone 9 you
can try lots of roses that won't survive in zone 6 or less. why the list is
endless! actually, I don't think anyone could pay ME to put in a simplicity
rose. A nice start if you are just starting, but I think a good rose book for
ideas would be a better use of the money.
Lovdabluz wrote:
>
> I was looking at Pink Simplicity in my J&P catalog, I need a hedge for a bed
> between my house and a walkway. I would like to use roses but I don't really
> care to see the canes, would prefer something more mounding and flowing, will
> Simplicity do this for me? If not can someone give me a few suggestions, I
> would like to keep the height below 4 ft. if at all possible. Do any of you
> grow this "hedge rose" is it scented? Does it blackspot easily? I live in zone
> 9a Louisiana.
>
> Denise
--
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Pat Walker
p...@ipos.ucsb.edu
I am usually in my garden, but with 12 hour work days I'm not there much lately.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Kay Cangemi
colette....@ssp.ulaval.ca wrote:
> My own rose hedge is made with "Rose de Rescht". It is lovely: about 3-4
> ft, with a very full and rounded shape. It has 2 to 3 blooming cycles
> per season (our summers are short), and the flowers are intensely
> fuchsia and wonderfully scented. However, although blackspot has never
> been a serious problem for me, I think RdeR is more susceptible to it in
> other climates.
>
RdeR is one of our worst offenders. It's definitely the worst offender I'd
like to keep.
--
Kay Cangemi
--The sound of one hand typing---
New York, USDA zone 5
http://www.ulster.net/~cangemi
MCDevinney
at all! I am thinking of shovel pruning it this year - good thing my hubby
wants to put in a retaining wall where it is anyway so I can actually get him
to take it out with the tractor:) I have 6 or 8 of the plants and they did not
do well last winter - got lots of cane boreres and had a hard time recovering
this year - they where not much to yell about even before this. I do like the
color - espically against the cornflowers that have grown up there - can you
tell this is not a high priority area for me:) BUt I would not do it again.
Chrissie
Pat Walker wrote:
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grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
be considered flaws or defects.
Silvirado
>This is so weird. Rugosas are supposed to be so vigorous and disease-free and
>shade-tolerant and I am just having a terrible time with them. I don't get
>it.
Me too, Donna. Mine are runty, scraggly little things that rarely flower. I'm
giving them one more year to shape up or else they get shipped back up to
Seattle where they were happy.
Henry Rankin
singles I never replanted after losing them in the horrible winter of 96.
Irish Elegance is a fine single HT and should be grown more frequently.
Ellen Wilmott is beautiful too.
As for Simplicity, I started with them and consider my early large
planting of them the biggest mistake I made. I am now down to 2 plants and
will probably keep a couple of them.
If I lived in California, some of the things that I would try might even
be a tea or china rose hedge.Might be interesting. Out of curiosity, has
anyone in CA tried this?
Reviewing the Spring Battle Plans for the Rankin Rose Garden
Henry Rankin
Zone 5
Pat Walker wrote in message <36B093A4...@ipos.ucsb.edu>...
d. lovatto
right now. The one by the areas we water is 20 ft x 20 ft. The one way out
at the gate never gets watered and the dear nibble. it is 4ft x 4ft. every
year the bloom gets better and better last summer it was the first to start
and the last to quit, way after the frost.
It is cool & very wet in winter and very hot & dry in summer here.
Julia
> I find Simplicity in California to be very blackspot prone, and while I've
> seen one hedge that was pretty spectacular, I didn't see it up close.
> Simplicity's flowers are so formless to be almost nothing.
I shovelled my Simplicity hedge last year, bs not a problem for me near the coast,
but that rose was a serious contender for rust magnet of the year. Didn't bloom much
either. Dick Streeper, however, has a mass planting along the south side of his
house in El Cajon, where it freezes many winter nights and summer temps are routinely
over 100. His are fabulous. Never seen another that even comes close. Hospital
near me has some planted and they look just as crappy as mine did. Don't believe the
pix in the J&P catalog! Of course, that goes for pix in a lot of catalogs. . .
--
Visit the San Diego Rose Society at
http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/vines/2548
lms
>
>Pat Walker wrote:
>
>> Simplicity's flowers are so formless to be almost nothing.
>
Oh, but I do believe the pix--his are fabulous! and I've seen similar.
Its mammma is Iceberg, don forget that.
The ones I see several times daily have taken untold abuse--every time
it rains, huge, and I mean huge, splashes of road tar that gets poured on
the dirt road gets heaved upon them, and there are actually survivors ten
years later. I'll always regret being a rose snob and not taking the
few plants Tiny had left over when she planted them all. I got over being
counter-brainwashed.
They get no blackspot either, they're very much in the open. I'm inferring
this by the leaves I always see.
Roses are unnatural in San Diego. And Santa Barbara.
lalala, not perfect, do you hear? The both of you? California?
The pix stand. icy stare
m
Donna
Yeah, I'm probably about 5 hours south of you. The weather is similar here, only
hotter & drier in the summer, not quite as wet in the winter. I think if I could
get a rugosa well-established, it would do well. Trouble is, I can't get them to
live past their first year. :(
PBURN14
>And Santa Barbara.
>lalala, not perfect, do you hear? The both of you? California?
>The pix stand. icy stare
****Meebee what all of us who find this rose to be a real Rosa canina should do
is put enlargements of the pics in our gardens. I mean this rose reeks around
here.
P in pink
http://216.32.197.23/phill/
Try my website, it ain't hardly pink either Hilly.
darl...@my-dejanews.com
colette....@ssp.ulaval.ca wrote:
> My own rose hedge is made with "Rose de Rescht". It is lovely: about 3-4
> ft, with a very full and rounded shape. It has 2 to 3 blooming cycles
> per season (our summers are short), and the flowers are intensely
> fuchsia and wonderfully scented. However, although blackspot has never
> been a serious problem for me, I think RdeR is more susceptible to it in
> other climates.
>
> >
> > My neighborhood has Pink Simplicity planted along a split rail fence and
> > it should look good but never has. It blooms quite heavily but gets
> > blackspot early in the spring and loses most of its leaves early. It is
> > not in a place where it can be easily sprayed. I'm sure you have even
> > more humidity in Louisiana than we have in the Washington, DC area so
> > they wouldn't stand a chance without lots of spraying.
> >
> > Frances
> > Gaithersburg, MD
> > Zones 6/7
> >
> > >
> > > I was looking at Pink Simplicity in my J&P catalog, I need a hedge for a
bed
> > > between my house and a walkway. I would like to use roses but I don't
really
> > > care to see the canes, would prefer something more mounding and flowing,
will
> > > Simplicity do this for me? If not can someone give me a few suggestions,
I
> > > would like to keep the height below 4 ft. if at all possible. Do any of
you
> > > grow this "hedge rose" is it scented? Does it blackspot easily? I live in
zone
> > > 9a Louisiana.
> > >
> > > Denise
>
Hi~
I have "yellow" Simplicity where it gets morning sun, but no afternoon
sun. I was not thoroughly impressed with it at all. I bet you can find a
much better "shrub-type" rose to make a nice hedge with. How about
either Watermelon Ice (pink and white little flowers) or maybe
Kaleidoscope (lavender pink)??
Darlene
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Ted
Donna wrote:
> In article <19990127225132...@ng142.aol.com>, ned...@aol.com
> says...
> >
> >I would plant either climbers or ramblers along the fence and sprinkle in some
> >short rugosas or Buck roses. Frankly I am partial to the rugosas because they
> >are virtually immune to blackspot and remain lush while the more conventional
> >HT or floribundas stand naked to the world.
> >
> >Good luck !!
> >
>
> This is so weird. Rugosas are supposed to be so vigorous and disease-free and
> shade-tolerant and I am just having a terrible time with them. I don't get it.
Maybe your winters aren't cold enough. Rugosas seem to like a good winter chill for
good performance in the spring.
Ted
Dave Amorde
Henry Rankin wrote in message ...
>Having read Pat's earlier post on singles, she brought back to mind 2 of
the
>singles I never replanted after losing them in the horrible winter of 96.
>Irish Elegance is a fine single HT and should be grown more frequently.
>Ellen Wilmott is beautiful too.
> As for Simplicity, I started with them and consider my early large
>planting of them the biggest mistake I made. I am now down to 2 plants and
>will probably keep a couple of them.
> If I lived in California, some of the things that I would try might
even
>be a tea or china rose hedge.Might be interesting. Out of curiosity, has
>anyone in CA tried this?
>
Actually, a polyantha hedge can be quite attractive. As for chinas, I've
seen
Mutabilis used as a hedge, but that's it.
-Dave-
Donna
Good point, Ted. Maybe that's it. I'll see if they do any better this year.
We're having a much colder winter than usual.
d. lovatto
real strong. The best rugosa I ever saw was 20 ft high 10 feet wide and 50
feet long. It had an arched passageway cut into the middle of it. btw Donna
I'm in Humboldt Co, you?
Beth
warranty expired. I blamed that on myself, first year planting roses and I
didn't get them in the ground right away. Those that survived have been
getting better and better. I had a problem with them this year, another of my
own doing. They line the back of a garden that got way to big for it's
britches. The poor things were choked by other plants, and basically ignored
completely. When I finally dug my way through to them, I found them tall and
lanky with very few leaves on the lower half (the half that was buried by
other plants). Next spring I am going to move them. I have hope.
Beth
In article <78sgfm$ge7$1...@newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu>, xl...@xrao.edu (lms) wrote:
>In article <36B19041...@cts.com>, sdr...@cts.com says...
>>
>>Pat Walker wrote:
>>
>>> Simplicity's flowers are so formless to be almost nothing.
>>
>> <concurrence with this, and>...His are fabulous.
>> Don't believe the pix in the J&P catalog!
>
>Oh, but I do believe the pix--his are fabulous! and I've seen similar.
>Its mammma is Iceberg, don forget that.
>
>The ones I see several times daily have taken untold abuse--every time
>it rains, huge, and I mean huge, splashes of road tar that gets poured on
>the dirt road gets heaved upon them, and there are actually survivors ten
>years later. I'll always regret being a rose snob and not taking the
>few plants Tiny had left over when she planted them all. I got over being
>counter-brainwashed.
>They get no blackspot either, they're very much in the open. I'm inferring
>this by the leaves I always see.
>Roses are unnatural in San Diego. And Santa Barbara.
>lalala, not perfect, do you hear? The both of you? California?
>The pix stand. icy stare
>
>m
>
Lovdabluz
>actually, I don't think anyone could pay ME to put in a
>simplicity
>>rose. A nice start if you are just starting, but I think a good rose book
>for
>>ideas would be a better use of the money.
If its a bad rose selection does it matter if one is a novice of not? Seems to
me it should NOT be recommended especially to someone just starting out.
Denise
who has read quite a few rose books
Lovdabluz
Dave you must have ESP I have decided The Fairy would be about the best choice.
Denise
lms
says...
>
>mackback wrote about arfie simplicity roses:
Ok, Pink-a-Ling, you want me to be Big Defender, no. Put it this way,
those roses where I see them is a thousand times better than that space
would be without them. Fair enough? It wouldn't be pc to argue that.
hahahaha
Barb says, why don't you give the dogs some chewies? Ok, So all four get
one.
So Burt immediately grabs Jez' away from her, then Quito's away from
here, and he's lying there with three. Then out of the clear blue,
WOW!!, Callie's got one too, so he just leaps up and jumps all over
her SHEEit, massive instantaneous dogfight, holy mole', scared me to death,
we do have to get him fixed. Couldn't believe what a richard he was, man.
Takin all the old wimmens' bones.
>****Meebee what all of us who find this rose to be a real Rosa canina should
>do is put enlargements of the pics in our gardens. I mean this rose reeks
>around here.
Fair is fair. hahaha. Tell me a rose you like. And if I don't have it,
tell me another. I'll play.
m
lms
says...
>If its a bad rose selection does it matter if one is a novice of not? Seems
to
>me it should NOT be recommended especially to someone just starting out.
>
>Denise
>who has read quite a few rose books
Denise, I bow to your great knowledge, but it's not a bad rose selection,
A-number-one-to-begin-with, for someone who doesn't want to... with their
roses much. Hit em with a chainsaw every year, you know.
How, oh how, I ask, do these roses remain, year after year after year,
at the very top of the best seller lists, period? Because everyone but
you and your rose snob compadres have such a higher intellect than the
rest of us idiots? (I identify with them, I don't actually have
Simplicity, but like I said, I wouldn't mind it at all if every idiot
on my way to work planted a Simplicity Hedge, can you DIG that???)
If you feel in your heart that you have risen above the level of Simplicity,
if you want to call it a level, then just dig them out, fine, that's easy,
what's the big deal? Good God, the number of people I see who just have,
if they have anything, just some big green blob of nothing juniper or
some crap, I wish they'd plant Simplicity roses.---They don't get the
Edmunds catalog, can ya dig it??? And you shouldn't criticize them.
I'd just looooove to see a hundred yards of Simplicity. Over what I see?
Bwah!!!
m
PBURN14
lms
>
>In article <19990129124934...@ng31.aol.com>, pbu...@aol.comxyz
>says...
>>
>>mackback wrote about arfie simplicity roses:
>
>Ok, Pink-a-Ling, you want me to be Big Defender, no.
I changed my mind, that's allowed. I cannot stand it when swampdwellers
gang up on a rose.
Big Defender.
Julia
> Oh, but I do believe the pix--his are fabulous! and I've seen similar.
> Its mammma is Iceberg, don forget that.
Just planted 5 more Icebergs which do great in my yard.
> I'll always regret being a rose snob and not taking the few plants Tiny had
> left over when she planted them all.
True confessions.
> They get no blackspot either, they're very much in the open. I'm inferring
> this by the leaves I always see.
One man's poison and all that . . .
> Roses are unnatural in San Diego.
That must explain all the r. californicas growing like weeds in the canyon down
the street. Gonna harvest some hips and scatter 'em on my slope. Unnatural,
indeed. Has the H2O czar released any gift of life to yer roses yet? Or do you
persist in pissing him off, just to be ornery?
> And Santa Barbara.
> lalala, not perfect, do you hear? The both of you? California?
> The pix stand. icy stare
Icy is right, freezing yer ass off. It'll be 70 today. Nyaaaaaaaaah, take
that!
Julia
> mackback wrote about arfie simplicity roses:
> >And Santa Barbara.
> >lalala, not perfect, do you hear? The both of you? California?
> >The pix stand. icy stare
>
> ****Meebee what all of us who find this rose to be a real Rosa canina should do
> is put enlargements of the pics in our gardens. I mean this rose reeks around
> here.
Rosa canina, love it! If it's so bad for you, why do you still have it?
PBURN14
>PBURN14 wrote:
>
>> mackback wrote about arfie simplicity roses:
>> >And Santa Barbara.
>> >lalala, not perfect, do you hear? The both of you? California?
>> >The pix stand. icy stare
>>
>> ****Meebee what all of us who find this rose to be a real Rosa canina
>should do
>> is put enlargements of the pics in our gardens. I mean this rose reeks
>around
>> here.
>
>Rosa canina, love it! If it's so bad for you, why do you still have it?
>
>--
obviously.....hmmm....don't seem to see those words anywhere! Axed, shoveled
and burned this woofer a long time ago. The entire hedge!
PBURN14
>I changed my mind, that's allowed. I cannot stand it when swampdwellers
>gang up on a rose.
>
>Big Defender.
****Oh yeah? U better watch yerself boah. Ah'm a gonna tell my Aunt Daddy on
you!
Donna
They are all in pots. All my roses are in pots. I don't have any space in the
ground and besides, then I can't move them into the sunny spots in the
afternoon.
I'm in Marin County.
Henry Rankin
Ted wrote in message <36B21F8C...@miningco.com>...
>> This is so weird. Rugosas are supposed to be so vigorous and disease-free
and
>> shade-tolerant and I am just having a terrible time with them. I don't
get it.
>
>Maybe your winters aren't cold enough. Rugosas seem to like a good winter
chill for
>good performance in the spring.
>
>Ted
>
Now this is a subject that has always fascinated me. How much is known
about chilling requirements for roses. A number of the gallicas seem to have
them as well, at least from what I hear from southern gardeners and with my
own experience as well.
General, I am of the opinion that abandoned homesites and neglected
cemeteries give us the best insight as to what is truly adapted for a
specific area.
Henry Rankin
Zone 5
Ted
Henry Rankin wrote:
Henry
There was a thread here last year on this very subject. Some Texas growers in
the winter mild areas of the state were complaining about the overall poor
growth of their rugosas.
Others in even more southern climes were finding the same thing. The consensus
then seemed to be that they do indeed require a coldish winter to perform well
each year. They have done well for me in my zone 5 as I'm sure they have done
for you in Michigan.
Your analogy of survival though neglected I agree with too.
Nick La Rocca
>
>
> This is so weird. Rugosas are supposed to be so vigorous and disease-free and
> shade-tolerant and I am just having a terrible time with them. I don't get it.
Rugosas are not particularly shade tolerant. The species itself loves the sun and
open spaces, and it will not grow in the shade to any extent. Although some of the
hybrids are a little less demanding, none of them can be considered the best choice
in a shady situation.
--
Nick - NJ - Zone 7a
ANTI-SPAM: Please remove any '*' from email address.
Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.
---Albert Einstein
lms
says...
>
>Ok Mackie! I like Flutterbye or Louis Philippe for a hedge. You got?
Try again.
hahaha
m
PBURN14
>Try again.
>hahaha
>
>m
No, you go get
lms
says...
>
>mackbacksez:
>>Try again.
>>hahaha
>>
>>m
>
>No, you go get
oh, ok. I rike Frutterbye.
m,
PBURN14
>
>m,
****Tank you beddy much.
Wendy B G
Pink Simplicity did not do *anything* for me. I have 5 (Wilmington, DE, Zone
7).
They are straggly. The flowers are weak, with poor petal form and no substance.
They are not scented. They last only 1-2 days, then fall apart. The plants do
not have good structure as a landscape feature.
If you want them, I will dig them up and mail them to you (if you pay the
postage--e-mail me if you want them). Then you can judge for yourself. I want
to get rid of them, but hate to deliberately kill a rosebush.
Oddly, the Red Simplicity is a completely different type of rose. The flower
form and substance and plant hardiness are much better.
Wendy
Julia
> >> mackback wrote about arfie simplicity roses:
> >Rosa canina, love it! If it's so bad for you, why do you still have it?
> >--
> ****Ok lemme see.......I clamied to still have this rose somewhere in that post
> obviously.....hmmm....don't seem to see those words anywhere! Axed, shoveled and
> burned this woofer a long time ago. The entire hedge!
Burned? Wish I could have done that, at least I'd have gotten some satisfaction!
The Icebergs I planted there 2-3 weeks ago are leafing out quite nicely.
Bren
(Lovdabluz) wrote:
Yahoo! The Fairy can be really awesome. I have two edging the driveway and
people constantly comment on how beautiful they are, bulletproof to boot.
Next time I'm going to try the red ones. Only thing I could complain about
is that they fade nearly to white in the hot Texas sun. Won't complain
though, cause they're still lovely and the Autumn bloom goes back to pink
and is lush and lovely when the rest of the garden is winding down.
Problem (maybe). My physical therapist's husband and a friend of his came
over to help with the yard last month. Fortunately, Jessica caught them
before they "pruned" all of the roses but they did a pretty good hack job on
my Fairies. (Scentimental too, blows too fast, but I'm going to move her
anyway in favor of Full Sail, if I can get it, or Sunsprite or Sunflare). I
have a feeling that my Fairies will be just fine, tough as they are. Any
comments?
-Bren
Ed Wilkinson
Garden; they bloom OK for us, and our winters are about as mild as
elsewhere in the Bay Area. We do have some problems with chlorosis with
the rugosas--they don't like alkaline conditions, which are not uncommon
in the Bay Area.
We have a large assortment of rugosas in the SJHRG, and they're doing
fine--but SJ is a couple notches colder than Oakland.
Best,
Ed Wilkinson
edwilk...@juno.com
Henry Rankin wrote:
>
> Ted wrote in message <36B21F8C...@miningco.com>...
>
> >> This is so weird. Rugosas are supposed to be so vigorous and disease-free
> and
> >> shade-tolerant and I am just having a terrible time with them. I don't
> get it.
> >
Ed Wilkinson
> Fair is fair. hahaha. Tell me a rose you like. And if I don't have it,
> tell me another. I'll play.
On the 'Simplicity' wavelegth I like 'Escapade'. Anyone ever tried a
hedge of that? roots easily. Or 'Kirsten Poulsen'? cherry-red, dense
grower, won't quit.
Best,
Ed Wilkinson
edwil...@juno.com
Ed Wilkinson
>
> If I lived in California, some of the things that I would try might even
> be a tea or china rose hedge.Might be interesting. Out of curiosity, has
> anyone in CA tried this?
I have seen a short but spectacular hedge of what looks like 'Niles
Cochet' in Santa Rosa. I think any of the Cochets, Souvenir de Victor
Hugo, Duchesse de Brabant (+ sports), Bon Silene, or Mme de Tartas would
all work well, in about that order of preference. Susan Louise, too, for
a very tall hedge where mildew isn't a big problem. The Chinas would be
too low-growing, with the exception of Comtesse du Cayla, which would be
too rangy.
Best,
Ed Wilkinson
edwil...@juno.com
TenRrose
just plant it in zone 4 and do not winter protect it. Jack Frost will zap it
for you.
Julia
> rest of us idiots? (I identify with them, I don't actually have
> Simplicity, but like I said, I wouldn't mind it at all if every idiot
> on my way to work planted a Simplicity Hedge, can you DIG that???)
>
> If you feel in your heart that you have risen above the level of Simplicity,
> if you want to call it a level, then just dig them out, fine, that's easy,
> what's the big deal? Good God, the number of people I see who just have,
> if they have anything, just some big green blob of nothing juniper
You just nailed my pet peeve with low-maintenance gardening. What these people
really want is NO-maintenance gardening. Plant dem junipers and let them
completely cover that prime rose real estate. Yeah, it's green, nope, it doesn't
require pruning, mowing, feeding, hell, even watering! Just plant it and then
plant yourself in front of the tube and ignore it every time you drive in and out
of your garage. Sometimes I'd like to take a flame-thrower to all those juniper
front yards around here. (can you tell there's one right next door?) Yech! I
agree, even Simplicity would be an improvement over that.
hom
Pat Walker
(and It's not perfect here: it's damn cold for a Calif. Winter...snowed here
last week (in the mountains)).
lms wrote:
>
> In article <19990130000555...@ng60.aol.com>, lovd...@aol.com
> says...
>
> >If its a bad rose selection does it matter if one is a novice of not? Seems
> to
> >me it should NOT be recommended especially to someone just starting out.
> >
> >Denise
> >who has read quite a few rose books
>
> Denise, I bow to your great knowledge, but it's not a bad rose selection,
> A-number-one-to-begin-with, for someone who doesn't want to..snip...
> How, oh how, I ask, do these roses remain, year after year after year,
> at the very top of the best seller lists, period? Because everyone but
> you and your rose snob compadres have such a higher intellect than the
> rest of us idiots? (I identify with them, I don't actually have
> Simplicity, but like I said, I wouldn't mind it at all if every idiot
> on my way to work planted a Simplicity Hedge, can you DIG that???)
Mack, I agree that everyone should plant a rose bush instead of those blankety
blank junipers. Heck, I wish I could pull the 8 I have up by the tangly
little roots and replace them with roses, but I'm just a renter. However,
to say Simplicity is at the top of the list every year because of how good
they are, then I say you also must believe in the tooth fairy, because the #1
reason is the marketing they get. They have J & P marketing it as the best,
easiest, no-maintence rose, and everyone who hasn't grown one bites. Is this
snobbery? No, just common sense. (Hate to break it to you Mack, but not
everyone in Santa Barbara is rich or famous....lots of us ordinary, middle
working class joes around. And I'm as ordinary as it gets.)
snip...., just some big green blob of nothing juniper or
> some crap, I wish they'd plant Simplicity roses.---They don't get the
> Edmunds catalog, can ya dig it???
>
> m
I say we torch all the junipers we see (I have replaced one of the junipers on
this place with Graham Thomas. A fringe bush will replace another one. And I
am encouraging Mermaid to take over the oleanders). And you will be pleased
to know that at my last house, I yanked 3 junipers, two plumbagos, and two
indian hawthorns, and most of the front lawn to give space for roses. Lawn's
another thing I'm intolerant of. But my husband won't let me dig this one up.
So the pots are encroaching instead (hehehehehe).
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Pat Walker
p...@ipos.ucsb.edu
I'm usually to be found in my pearls & designer clothes, telling my "gardener"
where to clip what (hahahahahahah).
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no...@wcl.on.ca
<edwilk...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
>We have a few rugosas scattered here and there in the Oakland Rose
>Garden; they bloom OK for us, and our winters are about as mild as
>elsewhere in the Bay Area. We do have some problems with chlorosis with
>the rugosas--they don't like alkaline conditions, which are not uncommon
>in the Bay Area.
Now this is interesting. The few rugosas I have, while hardy, have a
lot of yellow leaves. Is this chlorosis? My soil is definitely
alkaline. Is there a simple remedy?
Mona, zone 5, Ontario, Canada
Lovdabluz
selection,
>A-number-one-to-begin-with, for someone who doesn't want to... with their
>roses much. Hit em with a chainsaw every year, you know.
>at the very top of the best seller lists, period? Because everyone but
>you and your rose snob compadres have such a higher intellect than the
>rest of us idiots? (I identify with them, I don't actually have
>Simplicity, but like I said, I wouldn't mind it at all if every idiot
>on my way to work planted a Simplicity Hedge, can you DIG that???)
>
>if you want to call it a level, then just dig them out, fine, that's easy,
>what's the big deal? Good God, the number of people I see who just have,
>some crap, I wish they'd plant Simplicity roses.---They don't get the
>I'd just looooove to see a hundred yards of Simplicity. Over what I see?
>Bwah!!!
>
>m
>
>
>
>
>
>
Mack, you didn't understand what I was saying, I was replying to the smart ass
answer I got from the lady that told me my money would be better spent buying a
rose book implying I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, personally I
have never seen simplicity and I have never considered it, I was asking for my
sister who needs a shrub rose. I do not have a yard full of junipers, I
maintain my hybrid teas and I am definitely not of the rose snob set, actually
I have seen quite of few of these a--holes on this board and I think they need
to get a life! No offense bud but you got me way wrong, I am not like that at
all, I was just telling that lady that I have read my fair share of rose books
not to imply that I have great knowledge cause god knows i don't, I just
started doing this rose stuff 2 yrs ago and I really like all the discussions
but can do without the "rose snobs" you spoke of making us novices feel like a
bunch of dumba----. Cause you know what I don't care about all that stuff, I
just pour my wine, turn on some blues, and play in the roses, and maybe I don't
grow perfectly high centered show stuff but it makes me happy!
Denise
PetRose
"You just nailed my pet peeve with low-maintenance gardening. What these
people
really want is NO-maintenance gardening."
Amen sister. I propose that we assign the "no-maintenance rose" to the class
that consists of the blue rose and the black rose; then Sunshine Bill can take
care of such inquiries.
lms
says...
>...sister who needs a shrub rose.
well then, she's a lucky one who can tell her better. Those who aren't
so lucky to get advice but still manage to have roses growing where there
was nothing, well I'm glad they do that.
I wouldn't personally buy one.
> I just
>started doing this rose stuff 2 yrs ago and I really like all the discussions
>but can do without the "rose snobs" you spoke of making us novices feel like
a
>bunch of dumba----.
I can't do without them. Obviously. And you don't want anyone
kidgloving you now, do you? You want to know the truth--as people see
it hahahaha--don't you?
Cause you know what I don't care about all that stuff, I
>just pour my wine, turn on some blues, and play in the roses, and maybe I
>don't grow perfectly high centered show stuff but it makes me happy!
>Denise
me too, Denise. Except sometimes I see perfectly high centered show
stuff and it makes me happy too. Just sometimes.
We used to have dabluz every now and again up at The Golden.
Sonny Terry and Brownie McGee, Muddy Waters, and there were more, I just
don't remember em. I remember stuff like Sugar, Sugar.
aw honey, honey.
m
Lynn Thomson
>
>
> I have seen a short but spectacular hedge.....The Chinas would be
> too low-growing, with the exception of Comtesse du Cayla, which would be
> too rangy.
>
You mean Mutabilis doesn't grow 6-8' x 8' in CA? Or Louis Philippe? Or
Bermuda's Kathleen? Or Old Blush? I'd recommend all of these as China
hedges. And lots of the others would make good five foot hedges.....
Now if I had the room, I'd love a hedge of Mrs. B. R. Cant. That would
be awesome.
I've seen tons of low hedges of Martha Gonzales around San Antonio, too.
--
Lynn Thomson
San Antonio, TX - Zone 8b
Donna
>
>lms wrote:
>
>> If you feel in your heart that you have risen above the level of Simplicity,
>> if you want to call it a level, then just dig them out, fine, that's easy,
>> what's the big deal? Good God, the number of people I see who just have,
>> if they have anything, just some big green blob of nothing juniper
>
>completely cover that prime rose real estate. Yeah, it's green, nope, it
>doesn't
>require pruning, mowing, feeding, hell, even watering! Just plant it and then
>plant yourself in front of the tube and ignore it every time you drive in and
>out
>of your garage. Sometimes I'd like to take a flame-thrower to all those juniper
>front yards around here. (can you tell there's one right next door?) Yech! I
>agree, even Simplicity would be an improvement over that.
Sam here. The landscaping in our complex consists of 3 things: huge trees, ivy
and juniper. Real creative....
Donna
>
>We used to have dabluz every now and again up at The Golden.
>Sonny Terry and Brownie McGee, Muddy Waters, and there were more, I just
>don't remember em. I remember stuff like Sugar, Sugar.
>aw honey, honey.
Haha, my brother and I were singing this together the other day, thinking about
the "teenie bopper" songs that existed when we were that age and comparing them
to today's teenie bopper stuff. The Archies were cool... right up there with
Bobby Sherman, yessiree...
Lynn Barton
>This is so weird. Rugosas are supposed to be so vigorous and disease-free and
>shade-tolerant and I am just having a terrible time with them. I don't get it.
You're not alone in your frustration, Donna. I've found rugosas to need
full sun and to just not be happy in my garden. Dart's Dash on the east
side of the house is growing slowly with few flowers, mildew and anemic
leaves. Right behind it Darlow's Engina is growing like a weed and
flowering continuously with no pest or disease problems. Sure hope it
proves to be winter hardy.
Oh, and I forgot to mention the stem borers liking for rugosas.
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Lynn Barton
No. Illinois, Zone 4b
Pat Walker
Seriously Denise, you told us this was for YOUR house, not your sister's, and
if you've read so many rose books, why'd you ASK about Simplicity?
"A rose snob"...sigh. I just like nice roses, and I don't mind taking care of
them, or that they have thorns, or that they don't always have fragrance.
Does this make me a snob over someone who writes in that they want the perfect
rose with no thorns, disease resistant and fragrant? I guess I have to claim
guilty. Sorry guys. Perhaps I should hang my head in shame, and slink off
with my tail between my badly scratch legs (Graham Thomas wounded me last
weekend), but I'm not gonna. If you don't like us rose snob compadres, then
you'll have to deal with it. "Smart ass answer"? I don't think so, just my
humble opinion. Get a life!??? I work with my roses to get AWAY from my
life. Stress reliever you know????? Denise, you shouldn't be so quick to be
offended or be offensive. Geez, your flaming answer is 100 times for volital
than mine was.
much snipped due to space needs
> >
>
> Mack, you didn't understand what I was saying, I was replying to the smart ass
> answer I got from the lady that told me my money would be better spent buying a
> rose book implying I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, personally I
> have never seen simplicity and I have never considered it, I was asking for my
> sister who needs a shrub rose. I do not have a yard full of junipers, I
> maintain my hybrid teas and I am definitely not of the rose snob set, actually
> I have seen quite of few of these a--holes on this board and I think they need
> to get a life! No offense bud but you got me way wrong, I am not like that at
> all, I was just telling that lady that I have read my fair share of rose books
> not to imply that I have great knowledge cause god knows i don't, I just
> started doing this rose stuff 2 yrs ago and I really like all the discussions
> but can do without the "rose snobs" you spoke of making us novices feel like a
> bunch of dumba----. Cause you know what I don't care about all that stuff, I
> just pour my wine, turn on some blues, and play in the roses, and maybe I don't
> grow perfectly high centered show stuff but it makes me happy!
> Denise
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Pat Walker, THE ROSE SNOB
p...@ipos.ucsb.edu
Whose roses will never win any show prizes because I don't grow that kind of
rose. Singles, Teas, Chinas, and species roses (preferabley Chinese)...that's
my kind of stuff. Maybe I should just change my byline to THE ROSE SNOB.
You'll all know who I am.
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Julia
> people really want is NO-maintenance gardening."
>
> Amen sister. I propose that we assign the "no-maintenance rose" to the class
> that consists of the blue rose and the black rose; then Sunshine Bill can take
> care of such inquiries.
Would there were a way to get all the newsfeeders to kill any post referring to
b&b roses.
Donna
>
>Ahhhh.....I've been wounded! I'm sinking into the ground! I'm
>melting...melting.....
>
Denise, you shouldn't be so quick to be
>offended or be offensive. Geez, your flaming answer is 100 times for volital
>than mine was.
>
I couldn't even remember the post Denise could possibly have been talking about
and couldn't find a negative one even after looking, so it couldn't have been
that bad.
Maybe I should just change my byline to THE ROSE SNOB.
>You'll all know who I am.
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I don't think so Pat, it's been used on too many people here in the past.
Besides, I really don't think you qualify. Honest.\
Donna
>.
>Oh, and I forgot to mention the stem borers liking for rugosas.
>--
Mine have never gotten big enough to worry about that. :\
Silvirado
>Pat Walker, THE ROSE SNOB>
Wait. I thought that the Paula had formally laid claim to that title. Y'all are
gonna have to duke it out.
paula ballin
with Pat. Not so...I laid claim to hybrid tea snob. If Pat wants to be
a rose snob, that's fine with me.
Paula Ballin
Pat Walker
Hoz that?
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Pat Walker
p...@ipos.ucsb.edu
changing my pearls to sapphires....to go better with my blue roses
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Lovdabluz
Denise
humming the tune Don't worry be happy!
Marianne Ahrne
paula ballin wrote:
Over here "hybrid tea snob" is a contradiction in terms as hybrid teas can
never have snob value, only old roses. In our rose society we are very
broadminded and try to encourage also hybrid tea growers not to be shy
but come forward and show their gardens. We don't have rose shows
which may account for the low estimation of HT's among organized
rosarians. Among the rosegrowing public attitudes are quite the reverse.
Marianne Ahrne
Uppsala, Sweden
Kate Yerger
Kate
APeaceRose
>Can I claim the title ROSE SLOB?
Sorry Kate, that title is taken. <G>
Rissa
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Lovdabluz
>
>Sorry Kate, that title is taken. <G>
>
Yep Rissa I'll bet your redneck buddy would vote for this title with all them
there pots you got! <G>
Denise