container roses in standing water?
lola
a plastic tray underneath them. I have the tray because the water runoff
from the wood is an awful color and stains my patio. After watering
there is an inch or so of water left standing in the tray. The
containers are very heavy so emptying the trays is a problem. Will this
situation ultimately harm the roses? If so does anyone have suggestions?
remove the 's' to email me.
thank you
lola
Bill
Bill
Suzanne
>I have several roses planted in large wooden containers. They each have
>a plastic tray underneath them
***not good!
> I have the tray because the water runoff
>from the wood is an awful color and stains my patio.
***? What color is the water runoff and what color is your patio?
After watering
>there is an inch or so of water left standing in the tray.
***very, very bad, a no no!!
> The
>containers are very heavy so emptying the trays is a problem. Will this
>situation ultimately harm the roses?
***definitely....as in death. Although water is the most important element of
all for roses, they cannot *stand* in it. You are well on your way to root rot.
If so does anyone have suggestions?
***either remove the trays and live with the stains, or take the roses off the
patio and let them drain somewhere else without trays. I suppose you could also
drill small holes in the trays causing the water to drain off at a slower pace,
but this won't solve the problem of stains. I'm still wondering what the stains
are caused by - are the insides of the pots stained too? If so, they should be
fading rather quickly. Unless your patio is snow white, I can't imagine what
the problem is.
Suzanne
Rosesrfun
Lola writes: >After watering
>there is an inch or so of water left standing in the tray. The
>containers are very heavy so emptying the trays is a problem. Will this
Lola,
Roses do not like their feet wet. You need to remove the trays from under the
planters.
You can buy clay feet to put under the wooden pot. I would imagine it is the
wet wood sitting directly on the patio that is the problem and not the water
that runs through the pot. The feet will elevate the planter and perhaps solve
your problem. Several garden catalogs sell these feet.
mike cordelli
plastic tray, then fill with the dirt and the roses. At least the water
will drain off and not be sucked back up into the soil.
lola wrote in message <360135...@earthlink.net>...
>I have several roses planted in large wooden containers. They each have
>a plastic tray underneath them. I have the tray because the water runoff
>from the wood is an awful color and stains my patio. After watering
>there is an inch or so of water left standing in the tray. The
>containers are very heavy so emptying the trays is a problem. Will this
>situation ultimately harm the roses? If so does anyone have suggestions?
>
Brom
Bill wrote in message ...
>> a plastic tray underneath them. I have the tray because the water runoff
>> from the wood is an awful color and stains my patio. After watering
>> there is an inch or so of water left standing in the tray. The
>> containers are very heavy so emptying the trays is a problem. Will this
>> situation ultimately harm the roses? If so does anyone have suggestions?
>>
>>
>
>Bill
I'd simply turn the tray over so creating a platform for the pot. Doing so
should protect the patio from water damage.
This may be heresy but in drought conditions I have used trays under potted
roses. Seemed to me that if the water from the tray was soaked up within a
few hours, there would be little chance of creating root rot conditions.
And the extra water available to the plant might, in very hot weather, do
more good than harm? How long would be too long for roses to sit in water?
RosePetal NZ
Brom wrote in message <6tsink$f...@news1.newsguy.com>...
I do agree with this strategy though, it works here too. I wouldn't
recommend more than a few hours and certainly not overnight, and only in a
fairly warm climate. (Any water left will become stagnant and breed bugs and
disease, mosquitoes and heaven only knows what else - you people definitely
have more wild-life in your garden than we can possibly imagine.) Still
that's guessing a bit and our drought conditions are
accompanied by significantly lower humidity than that experienced in our
larger northern metropolis.
I can't find any reference to locality in the original post in this thread?
R in HB, NZ where dry is dry and hot is fairly warm by most standards.
Brom
RosePetal NZ wrote in message <6tt4g9$m9b$1...@fep5.clear.net.nz>...
>>This may be heresy but in drought conditions I have used trays
>> under potted roses. Seemed to me that if the water from the
>> tray was soaked up within a few hours, there would be little
>>chance of creating root rot conditions.
{}
>I thought you were in Auckland?
Yep. Auckland.
>Drought conditions???????
So dry last summer we missed a February rose flush - even with regular
watering.
>Struuuuth.!!!!!!!
Yep, struth. Unusual yes, that's El Nino for you. It never rains in
California so the song goes - yet they had floods and we had drought. They
had more blackspot than usual - we had less. The weather's whacko. Where
was winter?
>I do agree with this strategy though, it works here too. I wouldn't
>recommend more than a few hours and certainly not overnight, and only in a
>fairly warm climate.
Good, a fellow heretic. :-)
Kay Cangemi
>
> This may be heresy but in drought conditions I have used trays under potted
> roses. Seemed to me that if the water from the tray was soaked up within a
> few hours, there would be little chance of creating root rot conditions.
> more good than harm? How long would be too long for roses to sit in water?
Serious heretic here. I've left them sitting in water for several days.
They don't seem to mind it at all. Roses actually seem to be quite water
tolerant for dry land plants. They aren't nearly as fussy as my
Mediterraneans. I've got a lot of small roses in small pots that dry out
almost instantaneously in hot weather, and are almost impossible to water
properly once they do. If we aren't getting rain, I usually set the pots in
a tray with about an inch of water in it, and replace the water about once
a week. The roses seem quite happy with this arrangement.
I met somebody who studied how long a rose bush can sit in water. The
answer was several months, so long as the water was stirred periodically to
introduce air.
--
Kay Cangemi
New York, USDA zone 5
Ed and Joan Conn
We have a Modern Art that has lived in a plastic pot now for over 2 years. It
sits on a tray which is full of water almost constantly ever since it was
potted ( and I got too lazy to keep emptying it) and it does just fine that
way, even goes through our monsoon season with the tray overflowing. Go
figure. S'truuuth. BTW, it is RAINING here right now, lots.
Ed & Joan
Brom wrote:
> RosePetal NZ wrote in message <6tt4g9$m9b$1...@fep5.clear.net.nz>...
> >
> >Brom wrote in message <6tsink$f...@news1.newsguy.com>...
>
> >>This may be heresy but in drought conditions I have used trays
> >> under potted roses. Seemed to me that if the water from the
> >> tray was soaked up within a few hours, there would be little
> >>chance of creating root rot conditions.
>
Mel Hulse
<ele...@pioneer.net> writes:
>
> Brom:
>
> We have a Modern Art that has lived in a plastic pot now for over 2 years. It
> sits on a tray which is full of water almost constantly ever since it was
> potted ( and I got too lazy to keep emptying it) and it does just fine that
> way, even goes through our monsoon season with the tray overflowing. Go
> figure. S'truuuth. BTW, it is RAINING here right now, lots.
Tom Liggett shakes his head at me, but I use saucers in the summer with no ill
effects. My compromise is to use nursery pots with holes that extend up the
sides and then never fill the saucer up so high that the top of the holes
aren't above the water.
I put the saucers away in the winter.
--
Mel Hulse, Col. USAF (Ret'd)
Silicon Valley Rose Farmer
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PetRose
The problem with the saucers under roses is that it inhibits drainage. Roses
need drainage to allow air in the root system so they can breathe; otherwise
they quite literally suffocate to death. I have killed mini roses with the
saucer trick and since the experence have never put saucers under my roses. I
suppose you could get away with it if you restricted the watering but water is
the single most important substance you can give to roses, so restricting
wateringis not a good option. The fact that some have done it and there roses
have not died does not change the fact that it is a bad practice.
Paul Mitchell (OTH)
I leave potted HT roses on fortuniana rootstock in 2" plastic dishes so
there WILL be some water left as overflow. If I don't I will have to
water again that afternoon or certainly next day. In this manner I don't
have to water for two to three days and I know I won't come home in the
afternoon to find a wilted, dried-out rose bush.
This has been a practical solution for roses I may not have time to get
into the ground right away. I have had one Cary Grant that I am using as
an experiment that is being treated this way which has survived for 14
months so far and blooms nicely if fed normally. The success is due, I'm
sure, to the fact that fortuniana is the roostock, that the water wicks up
through the soil from the bottom, and that the top of the soil is about
10" above the water in the plastic dish so the roots aren't standing in
the water. Also a more porous, well draining soil is certainly a factor
here, so the roots can still breathe.
HTH
Paul
Wm. Paul Mitchell --- <pmit...@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu>
USF-Bayboro Campus
140 - 7th Ave S - PSD 001 "Time wounds all heels." -Frank Case
St Petersburg, FL 33701 ("Tales of a Wayward Inn")
On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, lola wrote:
> I have several roses planted in large wooden containers. They each have
> a plastic tray underneath them. I have the tray because the water runoff
> from the wood is an awful color and stains my patio. After watering
> there is an inch or so of water left standing in the tray. The
> containers are very heavy so emptying the trays is a problem. Will this
> situation ultimately harm the roses? If so does anyone have suggestions?
>
> thank you
> lola
>
>